--- Log opened Mon Mar 26 00:00:32 2018
06:34 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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06:46  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:12 < aestetix> Dolemite: do you by chance have any friends named Stormy?
07:12 <@Dolemite> Maybe a cat?   Should I grab that pussy?
07:16 < aestetix> wait... neither Stormy Daniels nor the other woman are accusing him of sexual misconduct
07:17 < aestetix> Is there actually a crime involved?
07:20 <@Dolemite> yes
07:20 <@Dolemite> well, there is the potential
07:20 <@Dolemite> It's all about the money trail
07:21 <@Dolemite> Stormy was paid $130K right before the election to keep silent, right before the election.   The reasoning behind the payment, and the slip up by Cohen, is stating that it was to keep Trump from being pulled into the mud right before election.
07:21 <@Dolemite> That makes it a campaign donation, which was unreported, and therefore against Federal Election Commission regulations.
07:22 < aestetix> huh
07:22 <@Corydon76> Depends.  If the payment was from Trump, then it's not a illegal campaign donation.
07:22 < aestetix> So this could be like how they got Al Copone on tax evasion
07:23 <@Dolemite> exactly
07:23 <@Corydon76> But if the payment was from Trump, it's damning proof that he considered her a credible threat to his campaign.
07:23 < aestetix> Corydon76: but that's an image issue, not a legal issue
07:24 < aestetix> and no offense
07:24 < aestetix> but it is kind of hard to give trump a worse image than he already has
07:25 <@Corydon76> aestetix: Trump is so determined about his image that he'd rather have broken campaign finance law than to suffer another arrow to his image.
07:25 <@Corydon76> So, in a way, this is a really effective, targeted attack.
07:25 < aestetix> Dolemite: wait, if she was paid, wouldn't that be a donation from the Campaign to her?
07:26 < aestetix> Or are you saying that a payment to her somehow counts as a payment to the campaign, lolzhaha
07:26 <@Dolemite> The donation is from Cohen to the Trump campaign, because the intent was to keep her silent before the election
07:26 <@Corydon76> That said, I don't think anybody really believes the denial that the payment came from him.  But if he swears in court that the money did not come from him, then it's an illegal campaign donation.
07:26 < aestetix> Dolemite: ah ok I missed that part
07:26 <@Corydon76> Damned if he does; damned if he doesn't.
07:27 <@Dolemite> Mostly the whole thing is about trying to get Trump to lie in court, like he does everywhere else
07:27 < aestetix> Dolemite: but they have to get him under oath to do that
07:27 <@Dolemite> Yep
07:27 <@Corydon76> Dolemite: you think Mueller already has proof that the money came from Trump?
07:27 < aestetix> I mean assuming they get him under oath, if he says anything other than "I take the fifth" they have him on perjury
07:30 <@Corydon76> It's still up to the US Congress to take action on that, unfortunately
07:31 <@Corydon76> And unless Congress changes hands in November, nothing is going to come of it.
07:35 < aestetix> Think Pelosi would pull another "impeachment is off the table" like she did for Bush?
07:36 <@Corydon76> Impeachment is already off the table, unless public opinion really turned against him.
07:36 <@Corydon76> They don't have the votes in the Senate to convict.
07:36 < aestetix> Or do anything
07:37 <@Corydon76> Or rather, they won't, even if the Democrats won every single Senate race in November.
07:37 < aestetix> So unless Trump does something super sketchy and is forced to resign, he'll be there until 2020
07:59 <@Dolemite> I dunno.   If enough of the seats in the house get flipped, the Senate may go into survival mode and start talking across the aisle about impeachment.   The thing is, though, they have to know that the evidence is solid enough to take him out of office, otherwise the vocal MAGA base will only get fired up, even more, about draining the swamp.
08:00 <@Dolemite> And they'd also need to be done with the impeachment/trial before January 2020, otherwise it screws that election for them.
08:01 <@Dolemite> So yeah, still unlikely that he'll be out before 2020.
08:02 < aestetix> Dolemite: well thankfully in 2020, we'll be behind you
08:11 <@Dolemite> Just like my first colonoscopy
08:39 <@Corydon76> Dolemite: I've got 8 years to go before that, but I'm not looking forward to it.
09:17 < aestetix> Dolemite: how far in did it go?
09:18 <@Dolemite> aestetix: I don't turn 50 until 2020
09:18 < aestetix> you could get one earlier though, just for fun
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09:38 <@Corydon76> aestetix: couldn't we just contract with you to undergo the procedure on our behalf?
09:45 < aestetix> Corydon76: maybe if you paid me enough
09:46 <@Corydon76> How much can I get for a penny?
09:48 < aestetix> just the tip
09:59 < dasunt> I'm on the "Trump will get impeached if the GOP decides he's too big of a liability" bus.
09:59 < dasunt> OTOH, Trump will readily attack the GOP, and I'm not sure who is more popular among the GOP base - the party, or Trump.
10:02 <@Corydon76> Two different groups.  There's the GOP base, and there's the MAGA crowd.
10:02 <@Corydon76> There's some overlap, but it's main two different groups.
10:02 <@Corydon76> GOP wants to keep the MAGA excitement without keeping Trump
10:05 < dasunt> I'd say there's a decent amount of overlap, which is partially the GOP's fault for hitching a ride with crazy.
10:06 < dasunt> Although the GOP cozying up to right wing nutjobs may be the result of (a) socially, we're becoming more liberal, and (b) politically, Democrats are arguably centralists, which dosen't give the GOP much room to manuver.
10:09 <@Corydon76> Which is why Trump went to the left of the Democrats when it came to nationalism
10:09 <@Corydon76> That's why he has the attention of worker journeymen.
10:10 < dasunt> Why would you call Trump's platform left?
10:10 <@Corydon76> i.e. the coal miners, steel workers, factory workers, etc., that are traditionally Democratic strongholds
10:10 <@Corydon76> The Democrats abandoned them with the advent of Bill Clinton, when the Democrats embraced free trade
10:11 <@Corydon76> Protectionism used to be where the Democrats were.
10:11 < dasunt> IDK.  Obvioulsy I'm biased because AFAIK, left and free trade is a combo seen in other countries, not in the US though.
10:12 < dasunt> OTOH, I approach the whole blue collar worker problem from a perspective that's pretty far left.
10:13 < dasunt> With those disclaimers in mind, I'd say Trump launched a populist attack to gain white blue collar votse which succeeded, because the Dems overlook that segment of society.
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11:00 < aestetix> https://www.reuters.com/article/us-remington-bankruptcy/u-s-gunmaker-remington-files-for-bankruptcy-idUSKBN1H204F
11:25 < dasunt> How did Remington go under?
11:25 < dasunt> Talks about gun control tend to be great for gun purchases.
11:31 <@Corydon76> dasunt: my bet would be the same thing that killed Toys'R'Us:  vulture capitalists
11:33 <@Corydon76> It was owned by a group of vulture capitalists until 2015, when they spun it off and tasked it with making enough sales to pay the debt the VCs saddled it with.
11:34 < dasunt> I don't know enough about Remington to say.  I just know enough about current talk of gun control to realize that it has helped sales.
11:34 <@Corydon76> dasunt: look at the Wikipedia page, and read between the lines.
11:34 <@Corydon76> Cerberus did the same thing to Remington as Bain did to Toys'R'Us.
11:35 <@Corydon76> Leveraged buyout.
11:35 <@Corydon76> They bought the company with debt, paid themselves out of the coffers, then spun off the company with the newly acquired debt, with Remington required to pay the interest on that debt.
11:36 <@Corydon76> It's no wonder they're completely fucked.
12:59 <@Mirage> FCC needs to figure out how to update their rules imposed on mobile carriers to maintain privacy while allowing us (and them) to be able to report and block all these fucking robo calls.
13:08 < dasunt> Huh, just ran my household spending, running at $500 a month excluding taxes, food, and this month's mortgage.
14:16 <@Mirage> yay, robocall #5 today so far
14:16 <@Mirage> this is just fucking ridiculous
14:42 <@opticron> I'm only at #2 today
14:42 <@opticron> surprisingly light
14:48 <@shapr> I leave my phone on do not disturb
14:48 <@shapr> if someone leaves me a message, I'll listen to it
15:11 <@Mirage> shapr: you obviously don't get work calls that you have to answer
15:12 <@Corydon76> Mirage: If you ever find out who "Rachel" is, could you split her skull open with a hatchet, please?
15:12 <@Mirage> Riddle me this. I refactored db connections (since I'm up to 9 I have to track now) to use an array and foreach to manage setting up all the connections.
15:13 <@Corydon76> I'm not committed to that method of death, but whatever it takes to stop her from leaving messages about the quarter million dollar business loan I'm approved for
15:13 <@Mirage> I have a couple php pages that don't seem to 'remember' that an mssql_select_db() was called for each of them in the validation phase of the connections.
15:14 <@Mirage> if I put the exact same code snippet in the failing php pages they work normally.
15:14 <@Mirage> foreach ( $vdmdb_conn_list as $db ) { @mssql_select_db("VDMDB",${"mslink_".$db});
15:14 <@Mirage> }
15:16 <@Mirage> Corydon76: I normally get hung up when I get the 'extend your car's warranty' calls and tell them that I've been having more and more problems recently and would love to extend the warranty on my '86 300zx.
15:16 <@Corydon76> Mirage: which version of PHP are you running?
15:17 <@Corydon76> I note that the function you're using was removed in PHP 7.0
15:17 <@Mirage> php-5.3.3-49.el6.x86_64
15:17 <@Mirage> RHEL6
15:17 <@Corydon76> Yikes
15:17 <@Mirage> Still supported, so suck it.. =P
15:18  * Mirage just realized who he said "suck it" to.
15:18 <@Corydon76> Heh
15:20 <@Mirage> Out of 116 different .php pages there are only 2 that are giving me problems.
15:20 <@Mirage> Which is why it confuses me so much.
15:21 <@Corydon76> Given what the select function does, it's just rotating an internal variable, I believe
15:22 <@Corydon76> MS SQL Server is a special beast.
15:24 <@Corydon76> I wonder if it's namespaced
15:24 <@Corydon76> I'm assuming you're doing this in global namespace versus function namespace?
15:25 <@Mirage> Yeah.  I just love being the only one who can do anything even remotely like this.   The customer doesn't have a "CMDB", they just have the "VDMDB" backends to all of their different vRealize automation environments.   In order to have something meaningful to use for looking up hosts I a had to throw together php to do lookups against all of them.   They're adding 5 more environments now, which is 10 more databases to deal with.
15:25 <@Mirage> Yes, I already had the functions taken care of.
15:27 <@Mirage> For ease of management and to maintain the little sanity I have left each page has include('config/settings.in.php'), then then has include() statements for the db's, ldap, etc.
15:28 <@Corydon76> The comments on the PHP site are... interesting... http://us2.php.net/manual/en/book.mssql.php
15:28 < PigBot> PHP: Mssql - Manual  (at us2.php.net)
15:29 <@Mirage> The reason for the 'config/settings.inc.php' is for local 'site' related restrictions (ldap dn's allowed, admin_only, etc)
15:32 <@Mirage> I seem to recall using FreeTDS and it just being a shitshow.
15:32 <@Mirage> I should probably also note that these MSSQL servers are all spread across 3 different AD Domains.
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16:18 <@Mirage> lol.. some jackass just responded to a "It's a Girl!" email send out June last year..which set a couple other ppl off on also responding.
16:19 <@Mirage> It's taking great restraint not to pull a Dagmar and flame them for being idiots
16:20 <@Dagmar> Tell them "Wait a few more days and it'll be a teenager."
16:44  * dasunt still hates the cloud.
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