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06:15 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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10:24 <@Evilpig> quoting a customer that i just talked to "we want the test system set up just like the production because if the production fails that is our back up solution"
10:25 < dfused> *facepalm*
10:25 < dfused> happy monday
10:26 <@Corydon76> Probably time to move them to Amazon, so that's effectively true.  Just spin up a new set of production servers
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10:29 < aestetix> uh
10:30 < aestetix> I guess they don't know what a test system is for
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10:32 <@Corydon76> Do they still have nonvirtualized production/test/development servers?
10:32 <@Corydon76> That might be the first problem
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10:40 <@Evilpig> it's a virtual server
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14:39 < TheDukh_> https://stackoverflow.com/jobs/169023/devops-sysops-security-engineer-admin-lead-aeolus-robotics
14:39 < PigBot> DevOps/SysOps/Security Engineer/Admin/Lead at Aeolus Robotics  - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com) http://tinyurl.com/y7r6zapq
14:39 < TheDukh_> does that look a bit... well, sketchy?
14:40 <@Dagmar> "You will work in a scrum-based agile development cycle"
14:41 <@Dagmar> In other words, they want some people they can tell to do every little thing, no matter what it is
14:41 <@Dagmar> Nevermind about specialization or skillset
14:42 <@ezelkow1> depends on how they are organized, thats always a companies pie in the sky dream, but after they run agile for a few years they start to realize that will never happen unless they are a small shop and everyone works on the same piece of code
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14:44 <@ezelkow1> last place i was at i was there when they started to transition to agile from...... nothing, but they went completely overboard in to scaled agile which reworks everything, and of course they still sucked
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14:44 <@ezelkow1> came here, and they do a nice balance between just using the agile/scrum layout to stay organized, vs. taking it way too seriously
14:44 <@Dagmar> It's a great way for middle managers to justify their existence tho
14:45 <@ezelkow1> oh scaled agile is a middle managers dream, just standard agile stuff like here its not so bad
14:45 <@ezelkow1> they reclassify them in to 'agile leaders', they actually get paid more, take on no responsibility, have to show no results for anything, and do half as much as they did before in scaled
14:52 <@Mirage> in my experience, "a scrum-based agile development cycle" is annoying, mostly worthless to anyone not requiring micromanagement, and a really good way to waste productive work time with more meaninless meetings
14:53 <@ezelkow1> it can be, it just really depends on how they are setup
14:54 <@ezelkow1> like all we do is a bi-weekly sprint planning meeting that takes 1hr, and thats really about it, sometimes we'll do a retro before hand but not always
14:54 <@ezelkow1> they just treat it as a way to keep track of ideas, whats being worked on, and so the manager can prioritize whats sitting in the backlog
14:57 <@ezelkow1> of course you can go way overboard with it like at the last company. bi-weekly planning, retro's, backlog refinement, quarterly engineering wide 2 day offsite meetings to gather everything and prioritize, huge chains of command that all things have to run through
14:57 <@Mirage> yeah, the groups i get stuck working with that "do AGILE" have 15-30 minute daily SCRUM meetings at minimum and ~weekly SPRINTs
14:58 <@Mirage> On top of tracking everything in Pivotal Tracker, when just about sends out notifications to everyone whenever something is viewed
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14:59 <@ezelkow1> yea we do the daily 15min meeting too, but thats actually pretty useful, since I had been around so long at the last place I could usually have a good idea of an issue someone was seeing and help them out when they would bring it up at the daily
14:59 <@ezelkow1> that just sounds annoying, notifications for everything
15:00 <@Corydon76> Leads to writing an email rule to just pass them all directly into the Trash, defeating the purpose of the notification.
15:02 <@_NSAKEY> Corydon76: That's exactly what I did with a rather idiotic process at my previous job. They started subjecting us to these e-mails that went out every 2 hours to a ton of people, including us. I just made a rule to dump them straight into outlook's deleted items folder.
15:08 <@ezelkow1> yea pretty sure i had most emails that came from rally's software, whatever it was, get sent off to their own folder, which just got emptied once a month
15:09 <@_NSAKEY> Oh, that sounds like you manually emptied it.
15:09 <@_NSAKEY> I just let the normal rule of the trash folder do its work, and didn't even acknowledge its existence.
15:09 <@ezelkow1> just when i would get a mailbox full warning
15:10 <@Mirage> yeah, right-click "Empty Folder" is so difficult and time consuming..
15:12 <@Corydon76> Here, our emails are shunted off to the Archive and deleted from the active server after 90 days.
15:21 <@Corydon76> And nothing is ever really deleted, until it's past our legal retention period.
15:29 <@Mirage> I don't keep mine as clean with Dell/EMC as I did back at VU because they don't allow offline archiving.   Back at VU I had rules in place to archive anything older than 6 mo to a local .pst
15:31 <@Mirage> Of course there were plenty of people like a couple that immediately come to mind who worked in the NOC that had 20K+ unread emails just in their trash folder, and about the same or more in their normal inbox.
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15:44 <@Mirage> Pilot in this first bit should be committed to an institution.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEdnkagJH9c
15:44 < PigBot> Top 15 Masterpiece of Engineering Caught in Action (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/ycocux36
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16:26 <@_NSAKEY> Mirage: The people who lead to the 2 hour e-mails didn't deserve the effort required to right-click and empty the folder. Besides, anything in trash was auto-deleted after 30 days.
16:26 <@_NSAKEY> They were one of those divisions who, I was told, everyone knew they were clueless, and they knew that everyone knew they were clueless.
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16:33 <@Mirage> _NSAKEY: This group is the same one that I mentioned last week that had such a bad rep that they got migrated from one company to another in the EMC "federation" and the group renamed.
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16:46 <@_NSAKEY> Mirage: That's probably what will happen to the division I'm talking about, if they don't shut them down outright.
16:47 <@_NSAKEY> We had discussed buying a bunch of old Hooked On Phonics tapes off ebay, boxing them up with a copy of Practical Packet Analysis at the bottom, and shipping them to their "engineers," hoping that they would at least be intelligent enough to take a hint.
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16:52 < TheDukh_> Stackoverflow is hiring for a remote CSO
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16:55 < K`Tetch_> one of mine just had its light controller go out
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