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05:43 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:22  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
06:27 < aestetix> so
06:28 < aestetix> any suggestions on a news site that isn't designed to piss everyone off?
06:47 <@Dolemite> Anything that doesn't have an associated Twit account
06:47 < aestetix> heh
08:22 <@Dagmar> Holy shit
08:23 <@Dagmar> I've been doing the little tests that Upwork has...
08:23 <@Dagmar> The unix one looked like it was going to be a pretty easy 100%
08:23 <@Dagmar> Apparently they didn't settle for shitty formatting and insane syntax errors with that one
08:23 <@Dagmar> They just went straight to not having the right answers whatsoever
08:25 <@Dagmar> Somehow I am supposed to believe that I scored 83% on shit I've been doing daily for 20 years like, "what argument passed to uniq makes it only print unique lines" and "what shell variable holds the number of positional arguments passed"
08:25 <@Dagmar> There's just no fucking way
08:25 <@Dagmar> I'm going to just ask they remove all those damn things from the site until such time as the people manageing them take their heads out of their asses
08:27 < aestetix> oh is that one of those tests where there's a "correct" way to do things?
08:35 <@Dagmar> I think in this case it's a test where someone flagged a lot of the wrong answers as correct, and the people running it live in denial that they could have fucked up
08:35 <@Dagmar> I took a whack at some of their other tests last night, and their perl one, for example, is an abomination
08:37 <@Dagmar> Literally a 40-line script containing a regexp, a triply-nested loop, nothing but one- and two-letter variables, proportional font, no indentation... and you have two minutes to figure out which of the four slightly different outputs it exactly matches
08:37 <@Dagmar> It's a test for adderal addiction
08:37 <@Dagmar> ALso, most of the code examples were insane-o shitcode
08:38 <@Dagmar> Shit people should never, ever do, like blessing a subref that calls itself
08:38 <@Dagmar> ...and this coupled with shit like "shift @_"
08:39 <@Dagmar> If you know enough to fucking the bless operator, you shoudln't be specifying @_ to goddamn anything
08:39 <@Dagmar> s/fucking/fucking use/
08:39 <@Dagmar> I wanted to slap someone after that one
08:40 <@Dagmar> I was a little shocked to see the unix one come back saying I'd gotten less than 99% correct
08:40 <@Dagmar> The number of them it claims I missed make me pretty certain they just have the wrong things flagged as correct
08:41 <@Dagmar> I'm sure if I contact the testing people about it, their response is going to be "well, maybe you don't know as much as you think you do" which would be an invitation to a stabbing
08:41 <@Dagmar> There's no way I'm going to ever get shit like "which argument makes grep emit lines not matching the pattern" wrong
08:42 <@Evilpig> it's x right?  grep -x don't show this
08:42 <@Evilpig> if you say anything else you're wrong it's definitely x
08:43 <@Dagmar> I will cut you
08:44 <@Dagmar> Half of it was shit I've known since before I could buy smokes
08:44 <@Dagmar> The bloody talk command was one of the questions
08:46 <@Evilpig> last night we did our first automated prod patching.   we were done in 15 minutes,  we had to wait online for the dba's andone of the apps groups til after midnight and we started at 9
08:55 < aestetix> ok so
08:55 < aestetix> I've been deliberately avoiding news about the school shooting
08:56 < aestetix> and finally read an article
08:56 < aestetix> it's pretty disturbing.
08:56 < aestetix> curious what you all think about it... and the calls for bans on AR-15s
08:56 <@Dagmar> Fuck those people
08:56 <@Dagmar> SEriously
08:56 <@Evilpig> this country is PC crazy and those people need to lose access to social media so they can stop finding like minded fools
08:56 <@Dagmar> In the latest case there were just craptons of opportunity to get the kid _mental health help_
08:56 <@Dagmar> It didn't happen
08:57 <@Dagmar> That's the thing that *should* have happened, long before the issue of whether or not he could buy a gun could ever have come up
08:57 <@Dagmar> The kid should have been seeing a therapist of some sort
08:58 <@Dagmar> But clearly, the idea of socialized medicine or universal healthcare (that would otherwise have handled this) is a mixture of both communism and satan
08:59 <@Dagmar> So, fuck each and every one of the people hollering for a ban on any kind of weapon because a crazy person does what a crazy person does
08:59 <@Dagmar> This country should not be run on the basis of what a crazy asshole might do
08:59 < aestetix> Evilpig: that is true
08:59 < aestetix> has PC hit nashville at all?
08:59 < aestetix> or are you guys immune to it
09:00 <@Dagmar> Well, our mayor got caught having an affair with her head of security and spent a substantial amount of time with him and him alone on paid junkets last year
09:00 <@Dagmar> ...and apparnetly she's not been tarred and feathered for that yet
09:00 <@Dagmar> I-440 is still like driving on the surface of the damn moon
09:01 <@Dagmar> So... no.  No PC-ness to speak of.  Just general unfocused crappiness.
09:02 < aestetix> be thankful for that
09:06 < aestetix> I got into a long argument with someone (an american) yesterday
09:06 < aestetix> He was claiming that a bunch of problems are from toxic masculinity, and he had all sorts of bad things to say about men
09:06 < aestetix> And then I asked him to name some positive things, and he really couldn't
09:12 <@Evilpig> I pee standing up.
09:12 <@Evilpig> that was easy
09:13 < aestetix> And you can reach the top shelf.
09:35 < aestetix> Evilpig: I just convinced someone I have a tumblr account
09:35 < aestetix> gues what url I gave them
09:37 <@_NSAKEY> aestetix: But didn't you at least have one for spamming porn at one time?
09:38 < aestetix> no
09:43 < aestetix> that was a typical conversation.....
09:43 < aestetix> When I argue with startup hipsters, and say I don't like corporations having all this data about you and so on
09:44 < aestetix> The typical response is "well, your cell phone gives them lots of data, and you don't care about that"
09:44 < aestetix> When I inform them that I don't have a cell phone, they get flustered, and start calling me names
09:51 <@dasunt> What's the way to fix that though?
09:52 <@dasunt> Hard to legislate, since businesses can location-shop their laws.
09:59 < aestetix> the way to fix it is to stop using "free" services
10:00 <@Mirage> aestetix: yeah, because when you pay them they stop collecting all your data to sell...uh, huh
10:01 < aestetix> heh
10:01 <@Mirage> if you believe that, i have some beach-front property in montana to sell you.
10:20 <@dasunt> We were talking about this with DNA data.
10:20 <@dasunt> Doesn't matter if you don't give up your DNA data if enough family members do.
10:55 <@Mirage> dasunt: unless you're adopted, of course
11:06 <@dasunt> True.
11:14 <@ezelkow1> anyone got any recommendations on ide's for osx, or at least ones that can properly do tags, been using vscode and its so damn hit or miss with what it will index properly or not
11:17 <@Evilpig> I just use sublime
11:20 <@brimstone> vim
11:20 <@brimstone> always vim
11:20 <@Evilpig> that too
11:24 <@ezelkow1> yea i never got around to learning vim+tags, still use it for one off edits though
11:47 <@dasunt> vim is the only answer.
11:48 < xray> I like pencil and paper
11:48 < xray> and irc
11:49 < xray> and in case it isn't obvious, I am trolling.
11:49 <@Evilpig> if you use pencil and paper you can use colored pencils to make your variables stand out
11:50 < xray> yes
11:50 <@dasunt> SpaceX is planning to recover fairings?
11:50 < xray> I use colored pencils on schematics when trouble shooting
11:51 < xray> is that true about SpaceX?
11:51 < xray> that will cut down on the space debris
11:52 <@dasunt> I guess they fall to earth normally and just burn up or crash downrange.
11:52 <@dasunt> Also, they cost $6 million(!)
11:53 <@dasunt> That's almost 10% of the launch cost.
11:53 < xray> a big savings if they can pull it off
11:53 < xray> especially if they are reusable
11:54 <@dasunt> The recovery boat missed this time, but Elon tweeted a picture of the floating fairing.
11:55 <@dasunt> I just love how SpaceX is so unremarkable for most flights these days.
11:55 < xray> that is saying a lot
11:56 <@dasunt> How much did you hear about today's launch?  Q.E.D.
11:56 < xray> Nothing until now
11:57 < xray> I've  been recovering from surgery so I've been disconnected.
11:57 < xray> most ly wathcing videos
11:57 < xray> re-watching DS9
11:58 <@dasunt> Other than the fairing test, and perhaps a planned test of a controlled descent, today's launch of the Falcon 9 is boring.
11:58 < xray> I'm glad I lived long enough to see space become boring
12:00 <@ezelkow1> goddamnit, just trying to track down memory leaks
12:00 <@ezelkow1> who the fuck uses a triple pointer
12:00 <@ezelkow1> thats just asking for heartache
12:00 < aestetix> heh
12:00 <@Dagmar> crazy people
12:00 <@Dagmar> That's who
12:00 < aestetix> louder with crowder is going on a college tour
12:00 < aestetix> (they are a conservative group)
12:00 < aestetix> and de paul announced they are banned
12:00 < xray> I fail to see what the problem is with a triple pointer
12:00 < aestetix> they kicker is, de paul is not on their tour list
12:01 < xray> it depends on the data structure
12:01 < aestetix> de paul just decided to ban a group who wasn't scheduled to speak there
12:01 < xray> now if the data structure is overly complicated that would be an issue
12:02 < xray> I noticed in DS9 they use a lot of tablets
12:03 < xray> so I'm guessing in the future tablets replace desktops and laptops
12:03 <@ezelkow1> its just a maintainability thing and ease of reading, insists on using triple ptrs then checks on the existence of single ptr, does ptr looping to loop through but then creates a ptr to the double ptr of that in order to free it
12:03 <@ezelkow1> theres just easier ways to write the shit that are easier to read
12:03 <@Dagmar> ouch
12:03 < xray> what language
12:04 <@ezelkow1> c
12:04 < xray> ah
12:04 < xray> that explains a lot
12:04 <@Dagmar> Sounds like someone was trying to avoid dealing with scoping
12:04 <@ezelkow1> yea, and a dev who likes to do esoteric stuff
12:04 < xray> that means they have to implement their own memory cleanup
12:04 <@Dagmar> ...because that's not a big red flag or anything.
12:04 <@ezelkow1> yup, hence why im now hunting for mem leaks, already tracked down 3 of em last week
12:04 < xray> agreed
12:05 <@Dagmar> I liked doing my own memory management in assembly like, two decades ago
12:05 <@Dagmar> ...when it was required.
12:05 < xray> I'm spoiled by Perl and Python which handle memory cleanup for you
12:05 <@Dagmar> yeah, I'm completely on board with letting gc's deal with that stuff now
12:05 < xray> I did a lot of assembly and I don't miss it
12:05 <@Dagmar> Excepting in edge cases like the Minecraft server, it usually works out fine
12:06 <@Dagmar> (that thing can generate and dispose of a lot of stuff very quickly, leaving the gc with MUCH work to do)
12:06 <@ezelkow1> yea, ive become a fan of go for similar reasons
12:07 <@ezelkow1> seems to combine alot of what i like about various languages, eliminates cruft, and still quick to implement things
12:07 <@Dagmar> yeah I'm over here taking some minor grief for using primitives in Java over object types
12:07 <@Dagmar> ...but it runs fast and nothing has to move around or generate objects willy nilly
12:08 <@Dagmar> Frankly the craziness of the UI code is more painful by far
12:08 <@Dagmar> People need to stop using Android 4.4 already
12:12 < xray> When I learned Python I got curious how many languages I have written in
12:13 < xray> 23 that I can remember so far
12:13 <@Dagmar> I'm still putting off Python for now
12:13 <@Dagmar> I _may_ need to deal with Kotlin first
12:14 <@Dagmar> I am not exactly a fan of it's syntax at the moment
12:14 < xray> I needed to learn it for the security tools I use
12:15 < xray> Data structures in Python are a lot harder to implement that in Perl
12:15 < xray> Which I find very odd
12:15 < xray> Not sure why the devs put up with that
12:15 < xray> must be a result of the design philosophy
12:16 <@Mirage> Corydon76: I know he's a little pretty for you, but... https://www.cnn.com/videos/entertainment/2018/02/22/jeanne-moos-adam-rippon-sally-field.cnn
12:16 < PigBot> How to get a date with Adam Rippon - CNN Video (at www.cnn.com) http://tinyurl.com/yasgyy4r
12:47 <@ezelkow1> and another memleak down, doesnt help that apache traffic servers memory usage with functions is horrid, you are never certain what allocates on your behalf and what doesnt, even though you are now in charge of freeing
13:46 <@Mirage> in a meeting and a guy is talking about code changes being done in a software repository and keeps saying "you can just fork off..."
13:58 <@Evilpig> i'm liking python here and there.  I hate that it uses yaml
14:07 <@shapr> Python can leak too, it's just not as easy, and harder to find when it does.
14:07 <@shapr> xray: want to learn Haskell next? :-D
14:08 <@shapr> In the past month I've written C#, Ruby, Python, C++, and elisp for work purposes.
14:08 <@shapr> I bet I've left out some.
14:09 < xray> I have no functional reason to learn Haskell. Pun intended
14:10 <@shapr> you could try embedded development. I couldn't do it because I can't code lying down.
14:10  * shapr ripostes
14:10 < xray> ooooh that was really bad one
14:11 <@shapr> not as good as Mirage's "you can just FORK OFF buddy!"
14:11 < xray> LoL
14:57 <@Mirage> Dolemite: your son needs to watch https://www.amazon.com/The-Macross-Saga-Boobytrap/dp/B01I4ICUAC
14:58 < PigBot> Amazon.com: Robotech: The Complete Series - Digitally Remastered: Robert Axelrod, Richard Epcar, Barbara Goodson, Cam Clarke, Wendee Lee, Ippei Kuri, Robert V. Barron, Carl Macek, Ardwight Chamberlain, Greg Finley, John Ledford, Ahmed Agrama, Jehan Agrama (at www.amazon.com) http://tinyurl.com/yd88repo
15:03 <@Mirage> Another good one: https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B077JP9G1M/
15:03 < PigBot> Amazon.com: Andromeda: Kevin Sorbo, Lisa Ryder, Gordon Michael Woolvett, Laura Bertram, Allan Kroeker, Brenton Spencer, Allan Eastman, Mike Rohl, David Warry-Smith, David Winning, Allan Harmon, T.J. Scott, Richard Flower, George Mendeluk, Brad Turner, Michael Robison, Gene Roddenberry, Robert Hewitt Wolfe (at www.amazon.com) http://tinyurl.com/y782yu52
16:10 <@ezelkow1> Trump followed this statement by referencing "movies [that] come out that are so violent with the killing and everything else." He made a suggestion for keeping children from watching violent films: "Maybe they have to put a rating system for that."
16:10 <@ezelkow1> oh yay, this again
16:11 <@ezelkow1> its cant possibly be anything, must be games/movies/music
16:11 <@ezelkow1> *else
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17:10 <@Mirage> I thnk most of the problems would be solved by imposing a death penalty on all entitled whiners and just call it good.
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17:36 < xray> blaming games/movies/music is a misdirect
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21:18 <@Mirage> http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2018/02/20/pig-captured-downtown-dallas/
21:18 < PigBot> Pig On The Run Captured In Downtown Dallas « CBS Dallas / Fort Worth (at dfw.cbslocal.com) http://tinyurl.com/y9u6xjj4
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22:16 < K`Tetch_> mirage / dolomite - the macross saga is on netflix
22:16 < K`Tetch_> andromeda's ok, but farscape is frelling better
22:17 < xray> I have FarScape on DVD I may re-watch it since I have some downtime
22:17 < xray> But then I have never seen Andromeda
23:23 < K`Tetch_> i started watching farscape, got halfway throught he second season, and they took it off netflix
23:25 < K`Tetch_> a good one for you to watch, xray, is Lexx. its late 90s, but it's also somewhat more adult. it's a german/canadian show. but it has Tim Curry in it
23:26 < xray> I've watched Lexx. It was a very odd show.
23:34 < K`Tetch_> i started watching it with the wife, we only got like 15 mins in
23:34 < K`Tetch_> I used to watch it as it aired
23:34 < K`Tetch_> I was also remidned awtching the olympics when on monday, one of the commentators looked like a member of the brunnan G
23:34 < xray> Now that is funny
23:35 < xray> I assume it was a woman
23:35 < xray> I can't imagine a man wearing that on air
23:35 < K`Tetch_> the one with the weird dark hair, no thats a guy
23:36 < K`Tetch_> johnny WEir, he's a figure skater
23:36 < xray> I know the Brunnen-G guy had the pompadour/bun but I can't imagine a male Olympic commentator with  that hair do
23:39 < K`Tetch_> https://www.instagram.com/p/BffOFKXgS8c/
23:39 < K`Tetch_> dude took THIRTEEN suitcases to sKorea
23:39 < K`Tetch_> lipinski - she only took 9
23:40 < xray> All you had to do was say Ice Skater.
23:40 < xray> It really does look like a Brunnen-G hair do
23:41 < xray> This one is even more pronounced https://www.instagram.com/p/BffcZjTA_LX/?taken-by=johnnygweir
23:41 < K`Tetch_> the o-ay-oh, oh barum ay.
23:41 < K`Tetch_> yeah
23:41 < xray> https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/hairbymariola/
23:42 < K`Tetch_> i even tweeted to michael mxMannus asking if NBC had found him some protoblood
23:42 < xray> Maybe the stylist did hair on Lexx
23:42 < K`Tetch_> ...maybe from the same lab that created true blood
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