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01:46 < aestetix> https://youtu.be/ryHtc172JTU?t=1514
01:46 < PigBot> YouTube (at youtu.be) http://tinyurl.com/y9wfv5g
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06:26 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:36  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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08:08 <@Mirage> Dolemite: see my last comment from yesterday?
08:27 <@Evilpig> I did and you should be ashamed of yourself
08:53 <@Mirage> Customers are such idiots.   There was an automated incident generatedby monitoring and the server found inaccessible and unresponsive, so whomever was working the ticket rebooted the VM in order to restore service.
08:54 <@Mirage> The system owners bitched to their management about the server having been rebooted without their approval..most likely leaving out the fact that the server was completely inaccessible and non-responsive.
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08:55 <@Mirage> So now we have to open an emergency change, including the system owner as an required approver, before any system in that customer environment can be rebooted, regardless of the situation.
08:56 <@Corydon76> As long as it's only that customer... It's fine for them to be idiots, as long as it doesn't affect other customers.
08:59 <@Mirage> The customer in this case has 5 major national data centers and ~300 hospitals and clinics..25-30k VM's managed in the National Data Centers and who know how many in the rest.   It's a pretty big deal.
09:00 <@Corydon76> Can't wait for the next time this occurs, and the server stays down for 10 hours, because the guy in charge of approvals was out of signal range while fishing
09:01 <@Mirage> Ditto.  Or for someone else to bitch about SLA's
09:08 <@Corydon76> As long as the policy is in writing, shouldn't hurt you or your company at all
09:09 <@Corydon76> Of course, if the current guy has a "career limiting event", it might be a good idea to point out the braindead policy to his successor
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09:41 <@Dolemite> Mirage: There's a new theater in Pigeon Forge that will be perfectly capable of showing Deadpool 2
09:47 <@Mirage> Dolemite: and you have the perfect t-shirt to wear
09:49 <@Dolemite> Mirage: I can't get Mr. 12 to give it up.    He claimed it and wears it, constantly.
09:49 < aestetix> sigh
09:49 <@Mirage> lol
09:50 < aestetix> why do linux projects just assume it's ok to have breaking changes in new versions
09:50 <@Mirage> aestetix: because they've always done that?
09:51 < aestetix> totally idiotic breaking changes like variable names
09:51 <@Corydon76> aestetix: Um, as long as it's documented, it should be fine
09:51 < aestetix> I can't believe I'm about to say this
09:51 < aestetix> but Microsoft is actually really good in this domain
09:52 <@Corydon76> Do you want no change, or do you want bug (and security) fixes?  You can't have both.
09:52 <@Mirage> Corydon76: yeah, until it's something like php changing a built-in function and breaking older system compatability.
09:53 <@Corydon76> aestetix: Pay for an RHEL license if you want better support
09:54 <@Corydon76> Mirage: you mean removing an unmaintained function that might otherwise have security issues?
09:54 <@Corydon76> Like how they removed ereg functions in PHP7?
09:55 <@Corydon76> I'm dealing with that right now.  But at least they documented that they were going to remove it, and they even deprecated its use in a version before the removal occurred.
09:55 <@Mirage> yes. I had to go through at VU and fix a TON of stuff in wordpress when they made a similar change and broke almost all of those sites running on vanderbilt.edu
09:56 <@Corydon76> This is why you test your sites before doing a major version upgrade of a component
09:57 < aestetix> well yes
09:57 <@Mirage> yeah..not relevant to any discussions regarding that subject
09:57 <@Corydon76> There is no way for programmers to win.  They get pilloried if they leave a broken item in, and they get pilloried if they take it out.
09:58 <@Mirage> And with the way that RHEL likes to keep the old version numbers and port new patches to older versions means that you don't necessarily have to update to a new major version for everything to go to shit
09:58 <@Corydon76> Sometimes, a function is just so badly broken in design that there's no good option
09:58 <@Corydon76> That's what your support contract is for
09:59 < aestetix> Corydon76: does your sympathy remain when it comes to npm?
09:59 <@Corydon76> "I upgraded X, and Y broke."
09:59 <@Mirage> yeah..so fix the function and keep the same name so it doesn't break everythign
09:59 <@Corydon76> aestetix: npm should be removed entirely from the system, as it's broken by design
09:59 < aestetix> I agree completely.
10:01 <@Corydon76> "Hey, let's create a package system, where one independent programmer can break everything by leaving!"
10:02 <@Corydon76> The flat namespace is partly culprit there
10:03 <@Corydon76> Namespace under each developer's name would have avoided the crisis in the first place.
10:41 <@Mirage> heh.. http://www.delish.com/food-news/news/a57986/las-vegas-dennys-valentines-day-wedding/
10:41 < PigBot> You Can Get Married At A Las Vegas Denny's for $99 This Valentine's Day (at www.delish.com) http://tinyurl.com/y8zd6e3p
11:38 <@dasunt> Really?
11:38 <@dasunt> What if you actually love the person you are marrying?
11:44 <@Evilpig> https://www.tacobell.com/feed/how-to-get-married
11:44 < PigBot> How to Get Married at the Taco Bell in Las Vegas - Taco Bell (at www.tacobell.com) http://tinyurl.com/zt6224q
11:45 <@Evilpig> nothing says I love you better than a chalupa?
11:48 <@brimstone> four cheese love is the best love
12:20 < xray> that is so cheezy
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16:20 <@_NSAKEY> Evilpig: That's like something lifted straight from r/trashy
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16:59 <@dasunt> Found an Amazon review for Ready Player One with the lines "You'll have fun reading this.  It's a terrible book."  I can't disagree.
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18:41 < K`Tetch_> i found it pretty ok
23:55 <@Dagmar> Is there an MST3K version of Falling Water?
23:55 <@Dagmar> The show makes very little fucking sense
23:55 <@Dagmar> I thought i'd just start in Season 2... HAH
23:56 <@Dagmar> The main characters walked around talking about whatever their Big Secret was, but they did so in public, so they only made oblique references to anything
23:56 <@Dagmar> Honestly the goddamn plot synopsis gives more details about the show than I've been able to figure out
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