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06:13 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:14  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
06:21 <@Dolemite> Careful.   My daughter has now gotten the Type A strain of the flu TWICE this season.
07:51 <@Corydon76> You're so lucky, Dolemite.
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09:32 < aestetix> oh salon, how idiotic you are
09:32 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/Salon/status/960985253853761536
09:32 < PigBot> Salon on Twitter: "“Black Panther” is the first blockbuster-format release featuring a black hero front and center https://t.co/WVMrYmoECd" (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/y77tknm
09:33 <@Evilpig> someone find me either the shinedown or five finger death punch presale code for nashville
09:33 < aestetix> I suspect Jamie Foxx, Denzel Washington, Will Smith, and Sidney Poitier take issue with that claim
09:36 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: Does it have presale for American Express or Visa members?
09:36 <@Evilpig> nope
09:37 <@Evilpig> looks to be just their fan clubs.  I can't find anyone saying that ffdp sent one out,  but I see the shinedown folks claiming it was sent out last night
09:38 <@Evilpig> I've got a friend from high school calling around, supposedly, trying to find out what it is
09:38 < aestetix> Evilpig: btw, did you hear anything more about your high school?
09:39 <@Evilpig> the kid is getting tried as an adult, his dad has gone into hiding, pretty much people aren't talking now
09:40 < aestetix> wait, could his dad be held liable?
09:40 <@Evilpig> no
09:40 <@Evilpig> but his dad supposedly had some charges that were not going to be good when people dig into the family history, etc
09:40 < aestetix> oh god
09:40 < aestetix> that's horirble
09:41 < aestetix> so basically the only way to survive in today's climate is to say nothing that could be made public on the internet
09:42 <@Evilpig> and don't ever goto jail for spousal abuse
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09:53 < ^020d> What HS news story is this?
09:54 <@Evilpig> kid shot 14 kids at my old hs a few weeks ago
09:54 < ^020d> I wish that narrowed it down enough.  Lot of those these days
09:54 <@Evilpig> Marshall County High School
09:55 <@Evilpig> Shooter still yet unnamed but is known locally as Gabe Parker
09:56 < ^020d> Sorry, that's rough when you're from the area
09:56 <@Evilpig> wasn't rough for me.  I wasn't there, not my kid, don't have a kid in the school
09:57 < ^020d> You may know some of the victim's parents
09:57 <@Evilpig> nope
09:58 <@Evilpig> I know the shooter's dad though
10:00 <@opticron> oof, benton
10:00 <@opticron> I have family there
10:00 <@opticron> luckily none of them are of HS age
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10:21 <@Evilpig> oh gees.  http://www.kentuckybarkleynews.com/benton_tribune_courier/news/activist-says-violent-video-games-may-be-factor-in-shooting/article_269d4bde-0b68-11e8-b95e-63ee454ce6eb.html
10:22 < PigBot> Activist says violent video games may be factor in shooting | News | kentuckybarkleynews.com (at www.kentuckybarkleynews.com) http://tinyurl.com/yatrnha3
10:22 <@Corydon76> I agree.  The games clearly weren't thrilling enough.
10:23 <@Corydon76> The games need to be more realistic, more immersive, more violent, in order to prevent the next shooting.
10:24 <@Evilpig> or just get back to teaching kids about gun safety and respect for their fellow humans in the lower schools again
10:28 < xray> I think the mass shootings are evidence an existential  sickness in our society that can not be attributed to any one cause. It is the culmination of various issues coming into resonance.
10:28 < xray> Games are not the problem
10:29 < xray> What I find most interesting is that we are not allowed to discuss the issue as that is not PC
10:30 <@Corydon76> Sure we are.
10:30 < xray> And would trigger people and send them foaming at the mouth to their safe places
10:31 <@Corydon76> Yeah, well, if they want to duck out of the conversation, that is their right.
10:31 < xray> I can tell you with utter certainty that discussing this at work will get you fired.
10:31 <@Corydon76> Free speech and public discourse does not require everybody to listen
10:32 < xray> I agree but that is far from the truth today in the American public
10:32 <@Corydon76> Is that because it's not PC, or is that because discussions that have nothing to do with your job description distract you from doing the things that make your employer money?
10:32 < xray> I don't agree with that
10:32 < xray> It is because of the PC jihad
10:33 <@Corydon76> LOL.  The big boss here says lots of inflammatory stuff to end the conversation and get us back to work
10:34 < xray> I don't go to work to discuss this stuff.
10:34 < xray> I'm their to work.
10:34 <@Corydon76> Precisely
10:34 < xray> It is HR at work that is being forced by management to bring it up.
10:34 < xray> Well one side of it anyway
10:34 <@shapr> xray: that's a sensible and balanced viewpoint
10:35 < aestetix> fwiw
10:35 < aestetix> the exact same discussion (about PC) is happening in another unrelated channel I'm in
10:35 < xray> Which means that a significant player in most peoples social group is getting information in only one direction
10:36 < aestetix> and not the good PC, which has a powerful graphics card ;)
10:36 < xray> LoL
10:36 <@Corydon76> How does this have to do with the mass shooting, again?
10:37 < xray> Guns do not kill people, people kill people with guns. Or rental trucks, or bombs, or homemade sarin gas.
10:37 <@Corydon76> "People are briefly annoyed once a year at required HR sessions, and this makes them go off the deep end"?
10:37 < xray> So if it isn't the weapon that is the problem, then what is causing people to believe that mass killings are the solution
10:38 <@Evilpig> once a year?  that shit hits multiple times a year here
10:38 < xray> and then what is the problem they are trying to solve.
10:38 <@Evilpig> I think HR is working toward having a standing monthly meeting at this point
10:38 < xray> none of this happens in a vacuum
10:38 <@Corydon76> Because they're at the end of their rope with stress
10:38 <@shapr> from what I saw in te non-profit world, affordable health care is a huge help to people with mental illness issues
10:38 <@shapr> Corydon76: yeah
10:38 <@Corydon76> Evilpig: For us, it's less than once a year
10:39 <@Corydon76> I see the required training at the time of hiring, and then never afterwards.  I've been at this company for 5 years.
10:39 < xray> every thing is on a bell curve
10:40 < xray> which is shifting by the day toward what?
10:40 <@Corydon76> The big boss here regularly shows up to NPR pledge drives and talk with the hosts.
10:40 < xray> There is a big difference between training and knowlege
10:40 <@Corydon76> So I'd say my workplace is pretty liberal, and we don't see this
10:40 < xray> Our society hinges on the Greek philosophy of knowledge
10:42 < xray> Just got an IRS fraud spam call that was an automated voice. How charming
10:42 < xray> If you can recite back the facts then you KNOW and training has been successful.
10:43 < xray> Where as the Hebrew philosophy of knowledge is that you don't REALLY KNOW something if it doesn't change your behavior.
10:44 < xray> As an example. People take a defensive driving class as part of a DUI ticket, pass all the tests.
10:44 < xray> Then get another DUI (this is greek)
10:45 <@Corydon76> Y'know, instead of typing out your manifesto, here, you might try getting it published.  I hear Ted Kaczynski was successful in getting his published in the New York Times.
10:45 <@Evilpig> xray: you better watch out, they've put out a warrant for your arrest!
10:45 < xray> A person takes the class and never drinks again and gets behind the wheel (even for one drink) this is Hebgrew Knowledge
10:45 < xray> good luck with that
10:47 < xray> Our society is based on the Greek Philosophy of knowledge so training is rarely effective because that is actually not what is accepted or valued in our society.
10:49 < xray> I understand that my arguments are based on broad oversimplification of the issues but there is a limit in this form of communication on just how deep one can dig into it.
10:50 < xray> So back to the PC thing
10:50 < xray> Everybody agrees that the shootings are bad
10:50 < xray> what they do not agree on is what factors culminate in a shooting
10:51 < xray> and many of the issue that would need to be laid bare are PC issues we can no longer discuss openly.
10:52 < xray> Which effectively leads to self fulfilling prophecy.
10:52 <@Corydon76> You keep saying that nobody is letting you discuss it, but you seem to be the only one restrained.
10:53 < xray> I can say it here but say this in the public square and get death threats and fired.
10:54 <@Corydon76> Unless your view is that completely unrelated things are at fault, so you can go off on a racist, homophobic, xenophobic, sexist rant, I don't see the restraint.
10:54 < xray> You can say anything you want as long as your message agrees with the PC police.
10:54 <@Corydon76> You can say anything you want, as long as you back up your viewpoint with clear evidence.
10:54 < xray> Corydon76: It appears I have triggered you. Which kind of proves my point.
10:54 <@Corydon76> The problem is that so many people don't want to do that.  They just want to rant.
10:55 <@Corydon76> Ah, I see.  You're annoyed that you can't go off on an unhinged rant, so therefore *I'm* the one who is triggered.
10:56 <@Corydon76> Back up your arguments with proof.  That's all I've said.
10:56 < xray> I also believe that this really isn't medium to discuss these kinds of things. But I'm in a Wind Mill attacking sort of mood.
10:57 < xray> Would love to discuss this in depth with you but this method co communication doesn't really work for changing minds.
10:57 < xray> It really takes a person touch.
10:57 < xray> Meaning face to face.
10:57 <@Corydon76> That doesn't change minds, either.  Your best bet is publication.
10:58 <@Corydon76> Not surprisingly, this is the way that the scientific world works.  You present your data, you make your argument, you show your conclusions.  Then you let others critique or confirm your results.
10:59 < xray> You may not be aware that your response is based in a philosophical system that doesn't get  real results.
10:59 < xray> Not all things can be proved with science.
10:59 <@Corydon76> Oh, but it does.  As I said, that is the way the scientific community works.
10:59 < xray> We accept evidence all the time that can not be proved with scieence
11:00 <@Corydon76> Yes, I'm aware that things that aren't true cannot be proved with science.  That's what makes the scientific method so wonderful as a way of furthering knowledge.
11:01 < xray> So to say that the only evidence that will be accepted is that which falls into the very narrow confines of experimental science is disingenuous at best and destructive at worst.
11:01 <@Corydon76> Really?  Are you willing to show data and make an argument?
11:02 < xray> Here? Not reallt.
11:02 < xray> really
11:02 <@Corydon76> And then are you willing to let others collect data and either confirm or critique your argument?
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11:02 <@Corydon76> Hey, look, it's the scientific method!
11:03 < xray> I guess I was just triggered by the myopic reaction that violent video games was the "true cause
11:03 < xray>  of the mass shootings.
11:03 <@Corydon76> I would tend to agree that video games are unlikely to be the root cause, but a convenient scapegoat
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11:04 < xray> Corydon76: Have you ever worked as a scientist or engineer doing fundamental research?
11:04 <@Corydon76> Given that I'm a programmer, no.
11:04 <@Corydon76> It is not my bailiwick
11:06 < xray> Yet you use science as your philosophical shield without having actually used it and understanding it's limitations
11:06 <@Corydon76> I have however, done non-fundamental research, in order to discover a better algorithm for a particular task (in specific, unpredictable, non-repeating integers)
11:07 < xray> This makes me sad that I couldn't make it to PhreakNic so we could meet in person
11:07 <@Corydon76> There's always next PhreakNIC
11:07 < xray> Assuming I live that long. There is a significant chance I may not
11:08 < xray> I recovering now which is why I have time to write this and it takes my mind off my current situation.
11:08 <@Corydon76> There's a chance I might not, either.  This is Tennessee, after all, and we do get tornados.  And there are car accidents.  And dozens of other ways to die.
11:08 < xray> So you have cancer too?
11:09 <@Corydon76> Not to my knowledge
11:09 < xray> That is an odd coincidence?
11:09 < xray> Had surgery a week ago and will start chemo in a month.
11:10 < xray> I'm hoping the pathology report from surgery comes back negative.
11:10 <@Corydon76> I hear cannabis helps with nausea from the chemo
11:11 < xray> I've hear that too.
11:11 <@Corydon76> It's too bad that Tennessee won't permit compassionate use exceptions.
11:15 < xray> It is interesting that the original crack down on pot in the U.S. reads like a conspiracy theory.
11:15 <@Corydon76> Which one?  The one in the 30s or the one in the 70s?
11:16 < xray> One issue with it today is that it is really problematic to prove you're pot impaired while driving
11:16 < xray> That is big problem that may be solvable with some engineering and science
11:16 < xray> Both actuallly
11:17 <@Corydon76> With the one in the 70s, we have a high government official (at the time) who admitted that they knew cannabis was not dangerous, but cracked down on it to further political aims.
11:17 <@Dagmar> That would be because people *do* get impaired on pot
11:17 < xray> And just for the record I'm about as opposite as you can be to a conspiracy theorist
11:17 < xray> Dagmar: agreed
11:18 < xray> but we don't have near as much research into that as we do into alcohol.
11:19 < xray> I wish it was as cut and dried as that but the issue is way more complicated. (sorry for the inintended pun)
11:19 < xray> unintended
11:20 < xray> Corydon76: I think your refering to Nixon.
11:21 <@Corydon76> His administration, yes, but John Ehrlichman was the official in question
11:21 < xray> Ah
11:21 <@Corydon76> https://www.vox.com/2016/3/22/11278760/war-on-drugs-racism-nixon
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11:22 <@Corydon76> Evilpig: I'd say you definitely fixed that SSL bug.
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12:21 <@Evilpig> haha
12:21 <@Evilpig> well it didn't like that
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12:21 <@Evilpig> let me go see what the error was
12:24 <@Evilpig> <Response [403]>
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12:30 <@Evilpig> https://www.vox.com/2016/3/22/11278760/war-on-drugs-racism-nixon
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12:38 <@Evilpig> https://www.vox.com/2016/3/22/11278760/war-on-drugs-racism-nixon
12:38 < PigBot> Nixon official: real reason for the drug war was to criminalize black people and hippies - Vox (at www.vox.com) http://tinyurl.com/ycn7kfm4
12:38 <@Evilpig> gave it a new error handler and also gave it a new user-agent to send 
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13:58 <@Mirage> ya know, it'd be a damned shame if the geeknic.info site was updated to at least have the right dates
13:58 <@Mirage> just saying
13:58  * Mirage glares at Evilpig 
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14:00 <@Evilpig> yeah yeah i'll get it done
15:07 <@Mirage> Dolemite: Not impressed with "Guinness 200th Anniversary Export Stout"
15:08 <@Corydon76> Oh, and good news on GeekNIC.  My conflict postponed, so I'll be able to join you.
15:57 <@Mirage> http://www.fox4news.com/trending/girl-scout-sells-312-boxes-of-cookies-in-six-hours-outside-pot-dispensary
15:57 < PigBot> Girl Scouts looking into cookie seller outside pot shop - Story | KDFW (at www.fox4news.com) http://tinyurl.com/ymruc6
16:03 <@opticron> she better get extra badges
16:07 <@shapr> badges badges badges badges FIREFLY FIREFLY
16:07 <@shapr> mog is AWOL, sadly
19:03 <@_NSAKEY> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZNBFcwd7zc
19:03 < PigBot> YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/y7dqs8jz
19:03 < dc0de[m]> paging wilpig, anyone seen wilpig?
19:03 <@_NSAKEY> ^ Deadpool trailer
19:05 <@Evilpig> dc0de[m]: i'm here, what's up?
19:05 <@Evilpig> I'm int he middle of an autopatching thing
19:05  * dc0de[m] is back in the Eastern Time Zone.
19:05 < dc0de[m]> looking for the moving interface...
19:05 < dc0de[m]> movie... want to add one movie you're missing: "A Fish Called Wanda".
19:06 < dc0de[m]> just need the hostname of the movie interface... and I'll do it myself
19:09 <@Evilpig> I have no movie interface.  just text me or send me a message and i'll get to it
19:09 <@Evilpig> I don't like those auto movie interfaces.  I'm too picky
19:09 <@Evilpig> tv I have sonarr, but nothing for movies
19:25 < K`Tetch> fish called wanda is a top film
19:26 < K`Tetch> JLc's best film
19:26 < K`Tetch> also WOOO new season of battlebots
19:29 <@Evilpig> just patched 189 systems in 12 minutes
19:29 < K`Tetch> fast fingers!
19:30 <@Evilpig> this is the project we've been woking on for the last two months
19:30 <@Evilpig> automating our patching process so we will be doing patching more regularly
19:40 < aestetix> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/02/john-perry-barlow-internet-pioneer-1947-2018
19:40 < PigBot> John Perry Barlow, Internet Pioneer, 1947-2018 | Electronic Frontier Foundation (at www.eff.org) http://tinyurl.com/ydeoxa3n
19:40 < dc0de[m]> Evilpig: no worries...
19:40 < dc0de[m]> I just couldn't find it, and was showing my brother the collection, and he called it out as "lacking"
19:44 <@Evilpig> I don't think anyone has ever really called my collection lacking before
19:44 <@Evilpig> most folks see it and question my sanity
20:17 <@Dagmar> I can't imagine why
20:17 <@Dagmar> It's a bit like asking "is fire *really* hot?  I mean, how do we _know_?"
21:03 <@Evilpig> dc0de[m]: 25 min and I should have your request
21:03 < dc0de[m]> No worries Evilpig I'm going to bed!!! It's late here, after being up all night flying...
21:03 < dc0de[m]> I'm exhausted.
21:03 < dc0de[m]> I
21:04 < dc0de[m]> I'll be online tomorrow, and I'm connected via my mobile as well.
21:04 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/aeiz0ue922459n4/Screenshot%202018-02-07%2021.04.46.png?dl=0
21:04 < PigBot> Dropbox - Screenshot 2018-02-07 21.04.46.png (at www.dropbox.com) http://tinyurl.com/y87lnxuu
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