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10:25 < aestetix> http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/08/media/oprah-golden-globes/index.html
10:25 < PigBot> Title: Sources: Oprah Winfrey 'actively thinking' about running for president - Jan. 8, 2018 (at money.cnn.com) http://tinyurl.com/ybgfy97c
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11:37 <@Dagmar> Sweeet crap... https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/nihilistic-password-security-questions
11:37 < PigBot> Couldn't snarf url: [Errno 1] _ssl.c:492: error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error. http://tinyurl.com/jge669d
11:38 <@Dagmar> Those are some _awesome_ account security questions
11:39 < xray> since I answer all security questions with random gibberish it really doesn't matter what the question is.
11:39 < xray> Might as well be "Do you walk to school or carry your lunch?"
11:40 <@Dagmar> "What is the name of your least favorite child?"
11:40 < xray> se2600 of course
11:40 <@Dagmar> "What is your ex-wife's newest last name?"
11:40 <@Dagmar> Questions like that are _awesome_
11:40 < xray> fetish barf gland reality no some grief letter
11:41 < xray> I think
11:41 < xray> will have to check password database to be wure
11:41 < xray> sure
11:42 < xray> :)
11:58 <@Catonic> oh man, I heart that.
11:58 <@Catonic> it's so dark
12:02 <@Catonic> "What is the lastname of your third craziest girlfriend ever?"
13:54 <@Evilpig> fuckin' clowns here I swear to god
13:54 <@Evilpig> STOP TRYING TO PHISH ME!  https://gist.github.com/wilpig/4bfc1b23555368d783dc59423579018e
13:54 < PigBot> Title: phishing fail · GitHub (at gist.github.com) http://tinyurl.com/y93g6sqf
14:01 <@Corydon76> Evilpig: I've heard that the mistakes in those emails are intentional.  They're trying to ensure that they only snag the truly gullible.  Those in the middle can take up valuable time while they work out that the email is fraudulent.
14:06 <@Evilpig> They are wasting my fucking time
14:06 <@Evilpig> at least if you're going to try to phish, really go for it
14:07 <@Corydon76> Nope, they want smart people to look, laugh, and delete.
14:07 < xray> Just send the phish via mail chimp
14:07 <@Evilpig> they expect the people like me to call helpdesk, report it, forward it, etc
14:08 < xray> I love it when the send a phishing training announcement out using mail chimp.
14:08 <@Corydon76> Stupid people not only are fooled and send them money, but they may never catch on until the scammers are long gone.  They DON'T want people to report it and get a criminal investigation started before they're done collecting from idiots.
14:09 < xray> they don't realize it's and oxymoron
14:09 < xray> they won't investigate before they scam people
14:09 < xray> there is a damage $$ limit that has to be exceeded before they will investigate
14:10 < xray> by the time they get evidence of that the scammers are long gone
14:10 <@Corydon76> To us ordinary plebes, yes.  Scam a politician or a well-connected individual, and those limits go out the window.
14:11 < xray> I have tried to get credit card fraud investigated and the police won't even talk to me about it when I can give them the name and address  of the offender and all the evidence.
14:12 <@Corydon76> Well, you aren't really the aggrieved party.  If you report it, the credit card company has to reverse all but $50 of it, and it's the merchants who get stuck with the bill
14:12 < xray> The couldn't even decide if the police report should come from my local police station or the police station the offender lives in
14:12 < xray> lives near
14:13 < xray> I still had to go the fraud process with the credit card company and get new card. My time counts given I'm an infosec pro
14:13 <@Corydon76> We dealt with this as a merchant by using a trust service.  If the credit card company ever reverses a charge that they said was reputable, they'll pay for the charge.
14:14 < xray> I was never charged any money, not even the $50 minimum.
14:14 <@Corydon76> Yep, standard industry practice
14:14 < xray> It just galls me that the offender walked away and I'm sure I wasn't the only one the defrauded.
14:14 <@Corydon76> $50 is what they're allowed to keep on you.  In practice, no credit card company ever does.
14:15 <@Corydon76> xray: if it didn't cost you anything, he didn't defraud you
14:15 <@Corydon76> He defrauded the merchant
14:15 < xray> It cost me time
14:15 < xray> I get paid for my time
14:15 < xray> it cost me money
14:15 < xray> that I didn't get paid for
14:16 < xray> It looks like if you keep the criminal damages below a few million you get to walk away with the items/money
14:17 < xray> no wonder it's an epidemic
14:18 < xray> I should bill the credit card service for investigative costs.
14:19 < xray> So if they don't pay the bill is it fraud then?
14:19 < xray> Given that the perp caused me not to get paid?
14:20 < xray> Unfortunately it would be a Pyrrhic victory.
14:36 <@Catonic> If it's too good to be true, it probably is.
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16:21 <@dasunt> It is ama,ing how many city regulations I'm actively breaking.
16:29 <@dasunt> I'd ask a council member if they could try to amend them in a way befitting current city conventions, but I don't want to give them ideas.
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20:25 <@Dagmar> I'm glad to see that Damore is filing a suit
20:33 < aestetix> Dagmar: did you look at it?
20:33 < aestetix> The emails and g+ posts it includes.... just wow.
20:34 < aestetix> At this point you'd have to pay me a *lot* of money to work at Google. And I still probably wouldn't. If they are that hostile to non-radical-left ideas.
21:18 <@Dagmar> I'd just have to have a lawyer handy
21:20 < aestetix> Google is gonna pay him fuckload of money to settle. They will get destroyed by discovery otherwise.
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22:16 < K`Tetch> so....
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