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02:18 <@_NSAKEY> aestetix: You mean you haven't violently triggered PGP users enough?
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05:02 < aestetix> ok question for the channel
05:02 < aestetix> if you own a cat
05:02 < aestetix> is it unethical to buy mice so the cat can attack them
06:16 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0 h0 h0ez!
06:17 <@Dolemite> aestetix: If the cat is going to eat them, no.   If the cat is simply going to torture them and leave a rotting corpse, yes.
07:12 <@Mirage> One of the sellers on Amazon is taking issue with my review of their shitty ass product.
07:13 <@Dolemite> And what shitty ass product is that?
07:13 <@Mirage> Supposedly the LED lamps were "canbus error free", which should have the resistor integrated into them and would not trigger the "lamp out" indicator or do the fast flash for blinkers.
07:14 <@Mirage> They do both.
07:14 <@Dolemite> Ha!  And what is the seller claiming?
07:15 <@Mirage> They claimed that in some european cars you still have to use an additional resistor and offered to send me as many as i needed free of charge if I'd remove my review.
07:15 <@Mirage> So I pointed out this was on Japanese cars.
07:16 <@Mirage> I also pointed out that if I'd wanted to install resistors that I would have bought cheaper lamps and the resistors separately.
07:17 <@Mirage> Now they are trying to get me to "shut off teh car, disconnect power for ~10 sec, then see if the computer system resets and the errors go away"
07:18 <@Mirage> So I pointed out that these were mid-80's cars and not fully computerized.
07:19 <@Mirage> Needless to say the only way that I would change my review is if they actually make a "canbus error free" lamp, send me replacements for what i bought, and they actually work as intended when installed.
07:20 <@Mirage> The "error free" ones from another seller for the side markers work as advertised, so I really don't think it's anything to do with the car and older solid-state light sensors.
07:55  * Catonic waves
07:57 <@Catonic> Ah, I'd solder in the resistors or splice them in, depending on how comfortable you are with either of those
07:58 <@Catonic> It's a pain, but that's kinda life. I think it's dumb in this day and age to not have some way to determine if a current greater than zero (i.e.: 20 mA) is being pulled and cancel the alert
07:58 <@Catonic> but .. bulbs are SAE approved, so that's how you get power-robbing resistors during gas into heat so your electronics don't think you have a burned out bulb
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08:00 <@Catonic> In other words, the only thing you get by switching to LED is a useless dashlight warning (and if you're lucky, that is an LED itself and will never require replacement).. or the maintenance-free nature of LEDs means you never have to change the tail-lights again.
08:01 <@Catonic> Try finding a replacement LED light that is actually SAE approved or rated, or any brightness standards for the same.
08:07  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
08:35  * Catonic looks away so as not to be involved in the proceedings
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08:37  * dfused grabs the lotion so as not to get the hose aagain
08:38 <@Dickie> Can I get both?
08:38 < dfused> why not make it a party
08:39 <@opticron> I'll grab the jumper cables
08:40 < dfused> al little bit of whips, chains, candle wax on the nipples
08:56 <@Mirage> Catonic: the goal is/was to not have to tear anything up and to hopefully never have to replace tail lights/running lights again
09:04  * Catonic hides the diamond-tipped saw blades
09:05 <@Catonic> Short of putting a heatsink on the LED strip with a MOSFET as a dynamic load and another transistor to limit the gain depending on temperature... Sand is cheaper.
09:26 <@Mirage> shit, i need to pay this!!
09:26 <@Mirage> Bank of America Credit Card*4176	$0.00	12/10/2017
09:26 <@Mirage> ErrorPast Due Bill Reminder
09:26 <@Mirage> Not sure how I'm gonna write a check for $0.00, though
09:27 <@Mirage> They might not take it
09:33 <@Dolemite> Account to account transfer
09:33 <@Dolemite> $0.01
09:33 <@Dolemite> Then they'll owe you.  heh.
09:37 <@Mirage> BoA must have a glitch for me to get notified of that and have it showing on my account page when it's setup for auto-pay anyway
09:40 <@Mirage> lol..now the people on amazon are trying to say that they have the resistors in the lamps, but that "some cars which draw more power to the lamps may need an additional resistor installed".
09:44 <@oddball> Mirage: LED headlamps?  I've been told by a few folks that they are pretty much only worth getting if the car was designed for them in the first place, otherwise you're looking at a few months of life.
09:46 <@Mirage> Nah, the headlights work great with the "canbus" adaptor installed.  This is for the turn/brake lights
09:47 <@oddball> ah
09:47 <@Mirage> 1156/1157 lamps
11:15 < K`Tetch> i hardly ever have to change lighbulbs on cars as it is
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14:20 < dfused> future so bright....dont need no headlights
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