--- Log opened Tue Dec 19 00:00:46 2017 00:00 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:18 -!- K`Tetch [~no@24-178-141-147.dhcp.thtn.ga.charter.com] has joined #se2600 00:18 -!- K`Tetch [~no@24-178-141-147.dhcp.thtn.ga.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 00:18 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has joined #se2600 03:07 -!- LastChild [~RasPi@c-71-228-205-189.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:08 -!- LastChild [~RasPi@c-71-228-205-189.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 03:08 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o LastChild] by ChanServ 03:29 < aestetix> this is how you know we live in a strange world 03:31 < aestetix> there is an article on hacker news about how lonely the modern world makes us 03:31 < aestetix> (I agree with it) 03:31 < aestetix> the top comment is someone looking to the unibomber manifesto for guidance 03:38 < aestetix> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15950690 top comment 03:38 < PigBot> Title: Modern life is lonely – We all need someone to help | Hacker News (at news.ycombinator.com) http://tinyurl.com/y73lv5r9 03:44 < aestetix> I will admit I have not read the unibombers manifesto 03:44 < aestetix> since I tend to not want to read things that are called a manifesto :p 06:22 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0 h0 h0ez! 06:24 * aestetix hugs Dolemite 06:29 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/Hellchick/status/942863353403150336 07:27 <@Evilpig> aestetix: i've bitched about that since facebook started defaulting to it 08:13 < xray> we always want to blame our problems on something outside of ouselves. 08:14 < xray> Technology is an easy target because it can't fight back. 08:14 < xray> We have met the enemy and he is us. 08:15 < aestetix> well I can give a personal example 08:15 < aestetix> I was at an event this past weekend, and someone wanted to keep in touch 08:15 < aestetix> first question: what's your phone number? 08:15 < aestetix> sorry I don't hav ea phone 08:15 < aestetix> oh ok, what's your facebook 08:15 < aestetix> I don't have a facebook 08:15 < aestetix> and then and only then did email come up 08:15 < aestetix> not sure why people are so afraid of email 08:16 < xray> I rate contact by bandwidth 08:16 < xray> highest is in person 08:16 < xray> second is telephone 08:16 < xray> third is email 08:17 < aestetix> yeah this is why I prefer email above all else 08:17 < xray> The downside of email is bandwidth 08:18 < aestetix> if it's someone I just met, I usually prefer email 08:18 < xray> the upside of email is you can really take your time to think about what you want to say 08:18 < xray> and it is asynchronous 08:18 < aestetix> yep 08:18 < xray> IRC is an interesting case 08:19 < xray> I don't like SMS because the interface is so bad 08:19 < xray> I type really fast and have a good keyboard so IRC is tollerable 08:19 <@Evilpig> I liked sms when I had a real keyboard on my phone 08:19 < xray> I would agree with that 08:20 <@Evilpig> I don't mind SMS when I am using hangouts on the computer. 08:20 < xray> That and IRC is a group thing 08:20 < xray> group SMS is really annoying 08:33 <@opticron> group SMS would be fine if half the phone manufacturers didn't screw with the SMS app and completely fuck up how it works 08:34 <@opticron> and even if it's actually fine now, people all remember how fucked group SMS used to be 08:40 < xray> That and it "rings" their phone so when you respond at 02:00 everyone in the group is none to happy about it 08:45 < xray> On a more technical note 08:46 < xray> My Wife wants a new AM/FM digitally tuned radio for the kitchen. 08:47 <@rattle> I sent someone some BTC using Coinbase, and the transaction feel was over 100%. 08:47 < xray> To my utter surprise I haven't been able to find one that doesn't have terrible reviews for under $150 and the ones over that are not that much better 08:47 < xray> For and AM/FM radio? 08:47 < xray> I want a radio not an art statement 08:48 < xray> that actually works 08:48 < xray> I'm actually considering building my own from scratch 08:48 <@Dolemite> I tried to buy an actual Digital FM radio for my car a couple of years ago. You know, one that can tune in all these alternate stations that Public Radio keeps touting their listeners can get the actual good programming on. 08:48 < xray> well sort of 08:48 < xray> a digital tuner, an arduino and some parts 08:48 <@Dolemite> I came up empty 08:49 < xray> or I may take an old car radio and put it in a cbinet 08:49 < xray> Dolemite: exactly 08:49 < xray> Have you checked Crutchfield 08:50 < xray> call their or chat with their technical pre sales and see what they recommend 08:50 <@Dolemite> I think that's what pisses me off the most about Public Radio these days. All the good programming lives in the realm of "can only listen if you're connected to the net and can stream it" land 08:51 < xray> A traditional radio will not be able to do that 08:51 <@Dolemite> xray: There were very few options, none at a decent price. I exhausted my number of fucks to give. 08:51 <@Evilpig> you had spare fucks to give to start with? 08:51 < xray> but if it has aux in and you have a way to get networking while on the road you could add it 08:52 <@Dolemite> I wanted Bluetooth. Gave zero shits about a CD player. 08:52 <@Dolemite> Most of what was available at the time had CD players, and no bluetooth. 08:52 <@Dolemite> And the field of what was available was < 10 options. 08:53 <@Dolemite> The whole point, though, is to not have to use my phone to play it. If I have to do that, I may as well stream my own library. 08:53 <@Dolemite> Then there's the latency of hills and hollars. 08:54 <@Dolemite> yeehaw 08:54 <@Dolemite> Time for Change Meeting. 09:47 < aestetix> so have any of you seen all of the apprentice? 09:47 < aestetix> I watched the first season, wondering if it's worth watching any others 09:47 < xray> I live with pain everyday 09:48 < xray> and can tolerate a lot 09:48 <@Corydon76> Anxiety inducing show 09:48 < xray> but not enough to watch The Apprentice 09:48 < xray> It is amazing how they take 10 minutes worth of information and drag it out to an hour 09:50 < aestetix> heh 09:51 < aestetix> yeah it was kind of soap opera ish 09:51 < xray> and I just can't bring myself to care 09:51 < aestetix> well I mean I don't know of another president who had such a media presence before he took office 09:51 < aestetix> with the possible exception of reagan 09:52 < aestetix> not that bedtime for bonzo is some kind of oscar winning performance 09:53 < xray> basic rule of entertainemnt 09:53 < aestetix> http://www.businessinsider.de/twitter-no-longer-possible-to-stand-up-for-all-speech-2017-12 09:53 < PigBot> Title: Twitter says it can't stand up for all speech - Business Insider (at www.businessinsider.de) http://tinyurl.com/ybsx4rv2 09:53 < aestetix> sigh 09:53 < xray> he who pays, gets the entertainer 09:54 <@oddball> aestetix: you're surprised? 09:54 <@Corydon76> More importantly, most previous presidents have had some previous government experience, so they know that running the country is more about consensus than imposing your will top-down. 09:54 < aestetix> oddball: not at all 09:54 < xray> as long as it doesn't damage your ability to get another gig and it pays, take it 09:54 < aestetix> It's like the Snowden stuff. Not surprised, but nice to see proof 09:54 < aestetix> Corydon76: agreed 09:55 <@Corydon76> And that's clearly what Trump doesn't "get" 09:55 < aestetix> I'm pretty sure every prior president has had either governing or military experience 09:55 < aestetix> if not both 09:55 < aestetix> and trump has neither 09:56 <@Corydon76> And in the military, you're still dealing with the government, and you're still answering to someone higher. Trump has never done that. 09:56 < aestetix> yep 09:56 <@oddball> As a small consolation prizee, at least those wanting to surpress speech are no longer claiming that they still believe in free speech... for people they agree with. 09:57 < aestetix> oddball: it makes no difference to me. I stopped using twitter and blocked it out long ago 09:57 < aestetix> but it's nice to have things confirmed 09:57 <@Corydon76> oddball: In one small microcosm, I suppose that's true, but I expect the same subterfuge to continue in others 09:58 < aestetix> http://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2017/12/19/xxx.html 09:58 < aestetix> hahaha 09:58 < PigBot> Title: xxx | Fox News (at www.foxnews.com) http://tinyurl.com/y95p2hkp 09:58 <@oddball> Corydon76: true 09:58 <@oddball> aestetix: I've never really seen much use in Twitter, but it has been popular. 09:58 < aestetix> oddball: twitter was great in the bay area when everyone was sharing projects and so on 09:58 < aestetix> you could find out about events going on 09:59 < aestetix> but then everyone started getting political and it took a mean turn 09:59 < aestetix> and now it's basically just trolls and angry fauxminsits 09:59 <@oddball> aestetix: speaking of Twitter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mZs-1XLw0s 09:59 < aestetix> and donald trump 09:59 < PigBot> Title: How to Be Twitter-Banned (In 4 Easy Steps!) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/y9marjc4 10:00 <@Corydon76> aestetix: it's more than that, if you learn to filter who you follow. But it's a bigger task than I'm willing to deal with. 10:00 < aestetix> Corydon76: exactly 10:00 < aestetix> That's why I said fuck it and left 10:00 <@Corydon76> It's essentially trying to drink from a firehose. 10:00 <@Corydon76> I may not always agree with the filtering choices made by Facebook, but I do recognize that it's necessary 10:01 < aestetix> I think I finally found something that works for me 10:01 <@oddball> Corydon76: Yeah... that's one of the complaints I've never understood about social media sites. "There's nothing but garbage on that site!" "ummm... you decided to follow those assholes..." 10:01 < aestetix> I started using an RSS reader... every time I see a news article I like, I add the outlet into the feed 10:01 < aestetix> it's way better than reddit or anything else 10:01 <@Corydon76> oddball: my Facebook feed is pretty delightful, most of the time. 10:02 <@Corydon76> Once you learn to think like a skeptic (NOT a cynic) and follow pro-science pages, it's a pretty good feed of information 10:02 < dfused> fuck facebook. 10:04 <@oddball> I will say that I've seen a *lot* of shit on Facebook lately. Part of that is the fucking "algorithm" that fucks with my feed even when I make sure to only view "most recent," but it's also because many folks I thought were friends have gone completely bat shit. 10:04 <@Corydon76> dfused: are you pissed because your feed sucks, or because you dislike being the product marketed? 10:05 <@oddball> I'm not blaming Facebook because a former friend decided to declare I was a racist sexist asshole for suggesting that maybe we should treat people equally. 10:06 <@oddball> Oh, and that I was a rapist because I had a penis, murderer because I own guns, etc, etc. 10:06 < dfused> Corydon76: its the whoole thing...the interface, teh ads, all of it. and I also hate places that like to an article on a website VIA a facebook posting. 10:06 < dfused> s/like/lnk 10:07 < dfused> goddammit 10:07 * dfused goes to kick some puppies 10:07 <@oddball> heh 10:07 <@Corydon76> I suppose that part of my rosy outlook on Facebook might have something to do with my excellent adblockers. 10:08 <@Corydon76> ABP + uBlock does a pretty good job 10:09 < dfused> yeah I havent been to fb in quite some time.. cept when I get tricked by a link to an article... but I use all that shit as well these days 10:10 < dfused> but to me fb is like walmart. why tortue myself with that shit hole when I can get the things I need from some other place which is beter laid out, better group of people, less vile. 10:26 <@rattle> I don't take The Facebook at all seriously. I relentlessly troll everything and everyone in comments. It's therapeutic. 10:31 <@Corydon76> While it may be cathartic to troll Walmart in surveys, I also like to give them "helpful" hints on ways that they might improve. 10:51 <@Dickie> Yeah, cause they'll listen 11:08 -!- remoford [~remo_lapt@c-69-137-84-154.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 11:45 <@Evilpig> god damn, our in house development folks are horrible 11:46 <@Evilpig> I just JS injected them again. this time I was able to create a self replicating loop for extra annoyance 11:47 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:49 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has joined #se2600 11:49 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ 12:13 < aestetix> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15962381 12:13 < aestetix> please upvote 12:13 < PigBot> Title: Noisebridge will close without your help | Hacker News (at news.ycombinator.com) http://tinyurl.com/ydf5odwy 12:20 <@Dagmar> Sure. I'll vote that they should close their doors 12:21 <@Dagmar> IF they'd spent less time obsessing about gender politics, and more time on their mission statement, perhaps they'd have enough people to keep going 12:21 < aestetix> I do not disagee with this 12:22 < xray> What is Noisebridge? 12:22 <@Dagmar> A maker-space for weird musicians 12:23 < xray> Why should I care if they are closing? 12:27 <@Dagmar> You probably don't unless you're in SF 12:27 <@Dagmar> It's a shame they're having to go, but they died long ago anyway 12:27 < xray> Even less reason for me to care 12:28 <@Dagmar> MrLawrence: Turn off the machine, go find another machine, install extundelete, connect the old drive to the new machine, and hope extundelete can save you 12:28 < xray> Which is difficult to do since I didn't care at all to begin with. 12:43 -!- v4mp [~v4mp@unaffiliated/v4mp] has joined #se2600 12:49 <@opticron> has NB only ever been in their current space? 12:50 < aestetix> no 12:51 < aestetix> NB used to be in 83c Weise street, down the street from the current place 12:51 < aestetix> I know because I was in the group that toured the current location and decided to go ahead and sign the lease (even though I didn't sign it) 12:54 <@opticron> so ehh, they need a new place, not to try to cling to the place that's being priced out of their range 12:59 < aestetix> opticron: the issue is that there is no place in the bay area anymore that's reasonably priced 13:00 < xray> oxymoron 13:00 <@Dagmar> You know what that means 13:00 <@Dagmar> It's time to blame Googlel 13:00 <@opticron> aestetix, I guess that means they're moving out of the bay area 13:00 <@Dagmar> Chasing down landlords who set rent rates and city councilmen who refuse to do anything to fix the spiraling financial situation is just too hard 13:01 <@Dagmar> Nevermind that the problem is a clusterfuck to begin with 13:01 < xray> Sounds like a self inflicted wound 13:02 <@Dagmar> Well, more like the result of not paying attention to economics 13:02 < aestetix> Dagmar: I'm just doing what I can to help, I haven't been involved for years 13:02 <@Dagmar> It's a sneaky problem tho 13:02 < xray> Reality meet pipe dream, pipe dream meet reality 13:03 <@Dagmar> It's not a pipe dream problem either 13:03 <@Dagmar> Beyond a certain point, this basically _always_ happens 13:03 < xray> ignoring facts tends to gum up their theories 13:03 <@Dagmar> Unless caps are put in place that actually retard growth, the cost of space starts going practically logrithmic 13:04 <@opticron> exponential? 13:04 <@Dagmar> Developers need to attract investors, investors want the highest returns they can get, so the investors wind up going to be most expensive property developers because the margins will be larger 13:05 <@Dagmar> Those two things result in an ever-higher spiral of cost for developing and cost for using the spaces once developed 13:05 <@Dagmar> The developers who make the most money, not surprisingly, now have the capital to more readily go to the next project 13:05 < xray> It's eventually going to self correct 13:05 <@Dagmar> yes 13:06 <@Dagmar> But not without generating massive ghettos and wastelands first 13:06 < xray> yes 13:06 < xray> that is why it is important to pay attention to the facts 13:07 < xray> like I said this is a politically self inflicted wound 13:07 <@Dagmar> Yes, be the first councilman to propose restrictions on investmet 13:08 < xray> So you want me to captain a life boat full of crazy people? 13:08 <@Dagmar> It's just going to have to become painful enough that they tell all the people with the money to throw around, "Look, this city is going to collapse unless we do this" 13:08 < xray> Why would I want to do that? 13:09 <@Dagmar> They're already way past the point where an adult can afford to work at say, McDonalds 13:09 <@Dagmar> NOt unless that adult sleeps in a dumpster 13:09 < xray> The boat I'm on didn't mutiny so why would I want to save them from their bad decision. 13:10 < xray> I call it just fruits. 14:58 -!- skiboy [~skiboy@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/skiboy] has joined #se2600 15:21 -!- v4mp [~v4mp@unaffiliated/v4mp] has quit [Quit: 再见] 18:28 -!- skiboy [~skiboy@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/skiboy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:47 <@rattle> BTC is swinging between 16.8k and 14k on GDAX right now. 19:27 < K`Tetch> big drop 19:27 < K`Tetch> wasn't it at 19 this morning 19:36 -!- cordless_ [~cordless@c-73-88-170-178.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 19:37 -!- cordless [cordless@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-thayhpmnhfsvwymc] has joined #se2600 19:40 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o cordless] by ChanServ 20:13 < dfused> no worries 20:19 <@Dagmar> It seems a bunch of people are going "HEY NEW CURRENCY QUICK BUY SOME!" 20:19 <@Dagmar> ...nevermind that it's an established currency with a fairly questionable provenance 20:20 <@Dagmar> I'm *almost* disappointed I don't ahve any since I thought I was holding at the right time, but then, I have an objection to xeroxed money 20:21 < dfused> i do wish eth would tank for a bit so I could pick up a bit more 20:23 <@Dagmar> Fuggit, Throw some loose money on a limit order at 8-10% below market 20:23 <@Dagmar> I didn't think LTC would dip below $300 again anytime soon, but apparently someone started a panic around 6pm and it went down to $280 for a brief moment 20:29 < dfused> you've I've set up a few alerts cause who nkows 20:29 <@Dagmar> I don't count on alerts for momentary panic dips 20:29 <@Dagmar> By the time my phone has gone off it's already back up past the 50% retracement 20:30 <@Dagmar> If it _hasn't_ then I wouldn't want to touch it 20:30 <@Dagmar> I'm waiting for Asians to work their greedy magicks right now 20:31 < dfused> lol 20:42 <@Dagmar> I was unfortunately at a laundromat trying to get cat pee out of a giant comforter when we hit the daily high last night 20:42 <@Dagmar> ...and I wasn't going to risk doing any profit-taking based on what piss-poor TA I can do on my phone when the possibility of a zerg-rush to $410-500 was still on the table 20:44 < dfused> I havent cashed out anything just yet 20:45 <@rattle> This shit is so contrived. I added BTH to my ledger, and basically everything comes out within 0.5% of 24-hr parity after the BTH was factored into GDAX holdings. 20:47 <@rattle> So yeah, lots of folks are shuffling funds. 20:49 <@Dagmar> I wonder WTF GDAX had go wrong 20:49 <@Dagmar> The BCH details still won't fill in for me 20:50 <@Dagmar> Looks like maybe those servers melted since the ledger shows the last transactions at like 7:22pm and they were thousands apart 20:56 <@rattle> Anything could be happening right now.. 20:56 <@rattle> This is a contrived house of mirrors. I am occasionally horrified about how much money I have in it. 21:04 <@_NSAKEY> rattle: I'm waiting to see what happens when bitcoin finally pops. Will the others go up? Will they all go down? 21:05 <@rattle> Keep in mind some of the absolutes.. This all goes to shit once someone gets a quantum processor with 100+ qbit and some spare time. 21:05 <@_NSAKEY> Yeah, but I think the day of reckoning will happen before that. 21:06 <@rattle> So in the most optimistic view possible, this has another five years. 21:06 <@_NSAKEY> Still, that's a good hard stop for the fun train. 21:06 <@rattle> Basically.. Yeah. 21:06 <@Dagmar> That particular stop will mean an end to a lot more shit than just blockchains 21:06 <@Dagmar> Whoeevr manages will need to be more secretive than Satoshi 21:07 <@_NSAKEY> It also means that whatever comes after will probably refer to "quantum blockhains" or some other silliness. 21:09 < dfused> quantum cyberchains! 21:09 <@_NSAKEY> I'm also enjoying this ethereum spike. Don't have any in coinbase, but I've been goofing off with mining and am approaching the point where I can get a payout from my pool. 21:10 <@_NSAKEY> It's drawing less power from my 1080 than hashcat would, so I'm probably going to actually save on electricity this month. 21:11 < dfused> lol 21:12 <@_NSAKEY> I haven't even taken the words from that "breaches compilation" and tested that dictionary out yet, even though I've extracted everything. 21:17 <@rattle> So, BCH on GDAX is (theoretically) $9500 after surging from a $3100 first availability. And it made that surge within 15 minutes. On at least four other exchanges, it's $3000-3300. 21:17 <@Dagmar> Yeah, no idea WTF some people were thinking putting in orders at that level 21:17 <@Dagmar> It could explain why the shut it back off 21:21 <@rattle> So either there is a massive cataclysmic of order book and blockchain activity playing itself out that isn't yet reflected in interexchange arbitration, or the people running GDAX are trying very hard to make it look like their contrived house of cards is actually a real exchange and not a speculator whore house. 21:21 <@rattle> That's one theory, anyway.. 21:29 <@Dagmar> I think the $9500 value says something really screwed up and smoeone's bot made a very expensive mistake 21:31 <@rattle> The volume showing is 3058, for what that's worth. 21:32 < dfused> haha.... I can even log into gdax rn 21:32 * Catonic blinks 21:34 <@rattle> If you compare the volume of BCH, ETH, and LTC during the same period when they were plunging.. And you assume people were not pulling to USD.. Then BTH is about to blow the fuck up. 21:35 < dfused> one can hope 21:36 <@rattle> The oder book is running in a cancel only state, but it appears to be running. 21:44 -!- dfused [~dfused@c-24-19-29-152.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:48 -!- dfused [~dfused@c-24-19-29-152.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 21:51 < aestetix> this is interesting 21:51 < aestetix> https://blog.mozilla.org/thunderbird/2017/12/new-thunderbird-releases-and-new-thunderbird-staff/ 21:51 < PigBot> Title: New Thunderbird Releases and New Thunderbird Staff | The Mozilla Thunderbird Blog (at blog.mozilla.org) http://tinyurl.com/y727vzu8 21:51 < aestetix> I thought they discontinued thunderbird 21:55 -!- dfused [~dfused@c-24-19-29-152.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:03 < aestetix> so rattle and others 22:03 < aestetix> Hollywood seems to be increasingly political 22:03 < aestetix> IE I just saw a headline that Mark Hamill is attacking Ted Cruz over net neutrality 22:03 <@rattle> Was? No way! Really? When did that ever happen? I thought it was always.. But that's just me. 22:03 <@rattle> For fucks sake aestetix. 22:03 < aestetix> Given all the skeletons that have yet to come out, it seems.... like this is a death spiral for them 22:04 < aestetix> lol 22:04 <@rattle> When the fuck has Hollywood ever NOT been political? 22:04 <@rattle> Seriously. When... 22:04 <@rattle> Name me one time the movie industry as a whole, was not political. 22:04 < aestetix> They used to embrace the fine art of metaphor 22:04 < aestetix> And I don't think they used to preach quite as much 22:05 < K`Tetch> nostalga.... 22:05 <@rattle> Like, even going back to when Hollywood came into existence because it was running away from the Edison Jersey cabal.. 22:05 < aestetix> ok that is a good point 22:05 <@rattle> You're delusional. 22:05 < aestetix> I was also thinking of Elia Kazan 22:05 < aestetix> and the whole red scare thing 22:05 < aestetix> but I seem to have stepped in a landmine 22:05 < aestetix> so forget I asked anything 22:05 <@rattle> Hollywood sells you narratives that make you feel good. If you ever thought Hollywood wasn't political, you got sold one. 22:06 < K`Tetch> "Why don't you tell the people the truth for a change?" jeff Smith in Mr Smith goes to hollywood 22:06 < aestetix> K`Tetch: good point 22:07 < K`Tetch> and then state of the union in 48 22:07 < aestetix> I am not familiar with that one 22:07 < K`Tetch> frank capra also directed that one, starred spencer tracy 22:07 < aestetix> oh nice 22:08 < aestetix> how the hell did I miss it 22:08 <@rattle> This is something I could quite literally give a class on if I took the time to put together the material.. Hence, my best option is to just be snarky and arrogant as fuck. 22:08 < K`Tetch> :-) 22:08 < aestetix> Maybe I should rephrase it 22:08 < aestetix> IMHO they used to couch it in metaphor and they used to have good writers and storyies 22:08 * rattle waits ... in antics... 22:08 < K`Tetch> might pitch that as a pannel for ragoncon 22:08 <@rattle> pation 22:08 < aestetix> but hollywood is basically shit now 22:08 < K`Tetch> you be up for that rattle? 22:09 < aestetix> and so perhaps their political rhetoric has also gone to shit 22:09 < aestetix> K`Tetch: that would be fantastic 22:09 < K`Tetch> or maybe you're just looking back via nostalga, when 'everything was great [again]' 22:09 < aestetix> K`Tetch: no, I'm looking at how all the good writers are leaving hollywood and going to television 22:09 <@rattle> K`Tetch: My talk time preparation 8-16/hr for every hour I speak. That means you've gotta pay me like $5k. Still interested? 22:10 < aestetix> I'm not the first to observe the summer of endless sequels and remakes 22:10 < K`Tetch> nah, s'ok rattle, I'll do it solo then :-) 22:10 < aestetix> so it would follow that as people leave the movies to go to television, the quality of writing goes down 22:11 <@rattle> The lack of original content right now in a conversation all in itself. 22:11 <@rattle> K`Tetch: Not trying to be a dick.. That's just the way it is. The time I have to take away from work to seriously do shit is rough. 22:11 < K`Tetch> i know 22:12 < K`Tetch> and yeah, when i was doing us box office figures around 2010, that was something i noted most week 22:12 < aestetix> so K`Tetch my response to the mr smith comment 22:12 < K`Tetch> i've never spent that uch time on a talk, I usually just work it 22:12 < K`Tetch> wing it 22:12 < aestetix> is that I consider that movie in particular to be sort of archetypical 22:12 <@rattle> That would be a hard one too, honestly. I'd have to spend at least three or four days preparing. It's not like I've got a master deck/notes to work off for that one... 22:13 < aestetix> the version of it now would be a 90 minute movie of hollywood actors all just saying "I hate donald trump" one after another 22:13 < aestetix> no nuance, a pathetic excuse of a story, and a michael bay visual effects budget 22:15 <@rattle> When I wing it, it sucks unless it's about something I've been all over recently. Panels are easy because you can always yield time to someone else if you're not on the mark. 22:15 <@rattle> I do panels without expecting anything.. But talks, either I need a reason to do it or you've giving me one. 22:16 < K`Tetch> at least 3 of the 6 I gave this year I was barely awake 22:16 < K`Tetch> like I hadn't slept since the Tuesday 22:17 < aestetix> see, I can handle political rhetoric if it's couched in good writing 22:17 < K`Tetch> the one time i ever prepped was in 2011, for a solo talk on the 2nd gen distributed computing project i used to work on 22:18 < K`Tetch> like TAWP? 22:18 < aestetix> but I'm now tuning out hollywood the same way I tuned out all the news, twitter, etc 22:18 < aestetix> TAWP? 22:18 < K`Tetch> oh by doing al that tuning out, you're... "so rone-er-ry, so rone-er-ey and sadry arone 22:19 <@rattle> If it's something I've recently been working on, I give myself 3-6/hr pre time for an hour. If it's a talk I've given before, it goes down from there.. 22:19 < aestetix> K`Tetch: or it's looking at the time and energy I have, and figuring out the besy way I can spend it 22:19 < K`Tetch> I get perfection anxiety from trying to prep. it's why I can't pre-record vids, and have to do them live 22:19 <@rattle> Many folks here have seen one of my security operations talks... I got to the point where I just spent an hour the night before and a half hour in the morning structuring the talk. 22:20 < K`Tetch> yeah, the muon1 one, I was making the slides at 2am the night before sitting on the corridore of the marriott 22:21 <@rattle> I'd show up in the town the night before.. That night I'd structure the deck based on an outline targeted for the audience.. Then in the morning I'd do a quickie run thru and adjust things. 22:21 <@rattle> Did that ~40 times. 22:21 < K`Tetch> would drive me nuts 22:22 < K`Tetch> i'd spent all that night tweaking things to try and improve it 22:22 <@rattle> It wasn't that bad, actually.. There were a few times I really detested the situation I was asked to give it in, but I always managed to snag the crowd.. And that always felt good. 22:23 <@rattle> Lots of the "shitty" cons hand out forms to rank speakers... And you hear back your scores. teehee. 22:24 < K`Tetch> dragoncon has the feedback int he scheduling app. the director gets his panels feedbacks in mid-jan 22:25 <@rattle> I take speaking seriously. When I do it, I prepare. 22:26 <@rattle> Last few talks I gave, I didn't use visual aids or any kind. That was actually really enlightening. Less work in one way, more work in another. 22:26 <@rattle> I've totally taken off the past year. AND LOVED IT 22:27 < K`Tetch> right, we didn't use any in that one we did together aestetix, and I just winged it, and it worked great iirc 22:27 <@rattle> I'd like it again whenever I feel like speaking about something.. But I am loving the time off. It's complex. 22:28 < aestetix> K`Tetch: well that was actually a talk I'd done before 22:28 < K`Tetch> so you'd prepped, then :-) 22:28 < aestetix> yes. we had things like slides 22:28 < aestetix> lol 22:29 < K`Tetch> ok, you're right - https://www.flickr.com/photos/scottmjones/11779463985/ 22:29 < PigBot> Title: NymRights | Scott Jones | Flickr (at www.flickr.com) http://tinyurl.com/ycase6fz 22:32 < aestetix> hmm 22:32 < aestetix> I'm tempted to give a talk on all the political brick walls I've hit with the nymrights stuff 22:33 < aestetix> the stories about what facebook did alone are worth telling 22:35 <@rattle> That would be an interesting one. 22:35 <@rattle> Whenever in doubt, do a panel. It's really easy for several people who known their shit on a topic to do a panel. A quick meetup beforehand is enough, usually.. 22:35 < aestetix> well since things have started to settle for me personally, I may get involved in ENISA this year 22:36 <@rattle> But doing a solo talk requires preparation. I completely disagree with anyone who says different. 22:36 < aestetix> (ENISA is sort of the european version of IDESG, except not shitty) 22:40 <@rattle> aestetix: You dropped the F-Bomb at Harvard. That's still cool. 22:40 <@rattle> You're not, but that is. :) 22:43 < aestetix> rattle: they gave me explicit permission ahead of time 22:44 <@rattle> In that case, it's K-LAME and D3M0NS3ED 3L1T3 is coming for you. In your sleep. 22:44 < aestetix> lol 22:46 < aestetix> actually I think the next public talk I do will be at HOPE 22:46 < aestetix> and it will really, really, really piss off pgp useres 22:46 < K`Tetch> I'll have some friends do a fake protest of it to make you seem edgy 22:46 < K`Tetch> like me? 22:46 < aestetix> K`Tetch: I'm all about protests as long as it's not deplatforming 22:47 < aestetix> ^ a way I differ with modern leftists 22:48 < aestetix> and I have a new super secret topic that I will probably start playing with in january that will piss off a lot of pepole 22:48 < aestetix> because that's the point of a tech project if it doesn't make at least a few people mad at you 22:48 < aestetix> what's* 23:07 <@cordless> hmm 23:08 < cordless_> aestetix: still in germany? 23:11 < aestetix> yes --- Log closed Wed Dec 20 00:00:47 2017