--- Log opened Wed Dec 13 00:00:02 2017 --- Day changed Wed Dec 13 2017 00:00 <@Dagmar> I'm just calmly calling 911 to get the fire patrol over. 00:00 <@Dagmar> Catonic: Feels cost you money. 00:00 <@Catonic> Ah! I've misread the situation. 00:00 <@Dagmar> Catonic: when a currency drops by three dollars all of a sudden and you have feels, you panic and sell it 00:01 <@Dagmar> ...only to watch it go back up $4. 00:01 <@Dagmar> Now you FOMO feel, and click to buy 00:01 <@Dagmar> It drops $5. 00:01 <@Dagmar> Fuck feels. 00:01 <@Dagmar> HODL 00:01 <@Catonic> Word. 00:01 <@Dagmar> You sell when you say "I like that number" 00:02 <@Dagmar> I was too busy yelling "WHAT THE FUCK" about $400 this morning to click that button 00:02 <@Dagmar> No worries. It'll come back. 00:02 <@Dagmar> Probably 6-8am. I'll be up 00:02 <@Dagmar> Waiting calmly for the stars to align 00:04 <@Dagmar> But literally, car ON FIRE on the street, and I'm making calls, calming people down, starting video recording 00:04 <@Dagmar> *shrug* 00:15 -!- Dolemite [~scott@96-38-109-185.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:17 <@Catonic> lol 00:17 <@Catonic> yeah, that's the way to do it 00:18 <@Catonic> http://code7700.com/1981_a_practiced_calm.htm 00:18 < PigBot> Title: A Practiced CalmAccident Case Studies (Sorted Alphabetically) (at code7700.com) http://tinyurl.com/ydfmlf98 00:33 -!- Dolemite [~scott@96-38-109-185.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #se2600 00:33 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dolemite] by ChanServ 02:07 < aestetix> so Catonic you're a local 02:08 < aestetix> tell me how to process this alabama thing 02:08 < aestetix> because it looked from afar like it was a battle between a guy with some wierd sex stuff, and the regressive left 02:09 < aestetix> And one that is going to shift the balance of the Senate so that the US is totally gridlocked and China takes over hegemony 03:02 -!- K`Tetch [~no@24-178-141-147.dhcp.thtn.ga.charter.com] has joined #se2600 03:02 -!- K`Tetch [~no@24-178-141-147.dhcp.thtn.ga.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 03:02 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has joined #se2600 03:04 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@24-178-141-147.dhcp.thtn.ga.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:38 -!- ezelkow1 [~sasquatch@2601:282:702:1eb8:e8be:e05f:35bb:96a0] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:35 -!- ^020d [~^020d@108-192-158-126.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:45 -!- dfused [~dfused@c-24-19-29-152.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 06:29 -!- Dolemite [~scott@96-38-109-185.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: patch reboot time] 06:31 -!- Dolemite [~scott@96-38-109-185.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #se2600 06:31 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dolemite] by ChanServ 06:31 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 06:48 * aestetix hugs Dolemite 06:56 <@Dolemite> Well, Alabama certainly turned out to be interesting, last night. 06:56 <@Dolemite> Got some great memes from it, for sure 07:00 < aestetix> Interesting 07:00 < aestetix> Apparently Moore has not conceded yet 07:00 <@Dolemite> Nope, but the difference is also big enough that if he wants a recount, he has to pay for it 07:01 < aestetix> Well on the plus side 07:01 < aestetix> it sounds like this happened because of a big voter turnout 07:01 < aestetix> maybe this will get people to vote more 07:01 < aestetix> no pun intended 07:03 <@Dolemite> yep, and NPR was talking about how several people interviews at the exit polls stated that they didn't vote for Jones because they were behind the Democratic Party, but because they had to make a stand for decency. 07:03 <@Dolemite> I'm positive, though, that the Dem Party will ignore that and spin it as overwhelming support for their platform 07:04 <@Dolemite> I just cackle at the fact that Trump has backed the loser, twice, for the same Senate seat in Alabama. 07:05 <@Dolemite> The best outcome from this is diminished power of Bannon and Trump 07:06 < aestetix> well that implies that the democrats getting more power is a good thing 07:06 < aestetix> IMHO what is best is if they are basically 50/50 and cancel each other out 07:07 -!- remoford [~remo_lapt@c-69-137-84-154.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 07:07 <@Dolemite> Would love to see a third party slowly gain some seats 07:07 < aestetix> That would be fantastic 07:08 < aestetix> What I'm afraid of is that this will be seen as a win for MSM 07:37 <@Dagmar> It's supposed to be a good thing that we have a different corrupt rich guy in office? 07:38 <@Dagmar> Is it a different thrusting technique the the buttfucking of America calls for? 08:04 < aestetix> Dagmar: ^ 08:04 < aestetix> It's a rich corrupt guy but he has a D on his name instead of an R 08:32 <@Dickie> Jones is corrupt? 08:33 < aestetix> He's a politician. 08:33 < aestetix> So yes. 08:34 <@opticron> probably accurate 08:34 < aestetix> I don't think this is partisan. If they are a politician, they are corrupt. Period. 08:35 <@Dickie> Just a bit of clarification: Does running for an office make you a politician? 08:37 < aestetix> I think corruption happens sometime in the process of running. 08:38 <@Dolemite> It takes money to campaign. To get money, you have to show those with money what you can do for them. 08:38 < aestetix> ^ 08:39 < aestetix> well also 08:40 < aestetix> Dickie: let's say you're running for office. Someone comes to you and tells you about an awful smear campaign your opponent is going to use against you, and in turn offers some dirt on your opponent. What do you do? 08:40 < aestetix> (maybe it's true, maybe not. but the press will run with it) 08:41 <@Dickie> I mean, if it's relevent. 08:41 <@Dickie> If you wrestle with pigs... 08:41 <@Dickie> I suppose I'd struggle with the question of "is it worth it" 08:42 < aestetix> BTW there is a movie/play on this issue 08:42 < aestetix> called "The Best Man" 08:42 < aestetix> I think from the early 60s or something 08:42 <@Dickie> I think a lot of money came from Dems just because the opponent was Moore and they're trying to flip congress 08:42 <@Dickie> ...and senate 08:43 < aestetix> well I don't know the details about the alabama race except there was wierd sex stuff 08:43 <@Dickie> Boy, was there! 08:43 * Dickie towels off 08:43 <@Dickie> I get it, though. I get the disillusion. 08:43 < aestetix> The only reason I paid attention at all was because of the larger impact I mentioned earlier 08:44 < aestetix> so there was one candidate with wierd sex stuff, and another candidate who ran against him 08:44 < aestetix> that's basically what I know 08:44 < aestetix> and I'm guessing that's what most people not in alabama know 08:46 < aestetix> Dickie: it's a good question though. Like, if you know that awful ad is gonna play against you, what do you do? 08:47 < aestetix> If you are a virtuous campaigner and your opponent resorts to dirty tricks, what do you do 08:48 < aestetix> (this is a pure hypothetical) 08:48 < aestetix> Dickie: imagine if Dagmar decided to run for office, and someone offered you $100,000 for his irc logs. What would you do? 08:49 <@Dickie> Probably tit for tat. If he got me, I'd get him. 08:49 <@Dickie> But I wouldn't be happy about it. 08:49 < aestetix> Yep. 08:49 <@Dickie> Also, I may not have control over that 08:49 < aestetix> And this is how the favors start. 08:50 <@Dickie> I'm tempted to say "I'd own it. All of it." 08:50 <@Dickie> But I'd lose. 08:50 <@Dickie> I'd lose HARD. 08:50 < aestetix> BTW, as hard is it is to lose a campaign, it's way more humilitating to be forced to resign once you have won." 08:50 < aestetix> er no " 08:50 <@Dickie> I've said a lot of stupid, stupid things. 08:50 <@Dickie> Sometimes I fear my twitter will come back to haunt me 08:50 <@Dickie> or reddit comments 08:50 <@Dickie> Facebook's pretty tame 08:51 <@Dickie> I've made some crass jokes here or there. Maybe some tone-deaf statements and such. 08:52 <@Dickie> fancy myself a bit of a comedian, but I don't have an HBO special, so any joke that needed explaining would crucify me 08:52 < aestetix> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057883/?ref_=nv_sr_4 08:52 < PigBot> Title: The Best Man (1964) - IMDb (at www.imdb.com) http://tinyurl.com/yc8dlgkd 08:52 < aestetix> this movie is *really* good 08:53 <@Dickie> You've got people like Sanders or Paul (Ron) that stick out 08:54 <@Dickie> They appear to run against the grain, but still get elected 08:54 <@Dickie> I'm often disheartened by politics, and was dealt a pretty devestating blow this past national election, but I'm not ready to give up yet 08:54 <@Dickie> But I also feel silly getting my hopes up 08:55 <@Dickie> Half the state voted for a cartoon version of themselves. We didn't solve any problems yesterday. We punted. 08:56 <@Dickie> Or, I should say, the other team did. I'm no good at sportsball. 09:05 <@Corydon76> The other team put a jackass on the field and expected to win, because they had previously. 09:05 <@Corydon76> Legacies don't win races or sports games, though. 09:06 * Catonic grumbles something about the quality of morning 09:06 <@Catonic> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwATvALiQ_8 09:06 < PigBot> Title: We Were Soldiers - Sgt Major Plumley - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/plq2w4o 09:17 < aestetix> Corydon76: in 2016, both teams put horrible jackasses on the field. 09:18 <@rattle> The election yesterday was a big relief, until you realize how close we came to putting a complete shitball into the Senate.. 09:18 <@rattle> Just this fact this election was close, is scary. 09:18 <@Corydon76> rattle: not in the sense of Alabama, though. If that race was close nationally, I'd agree with you. 09:19 <@Dagmar> That they were so close to putting such a shitball in office says they should chuck both candidates, and pave over the entire state 09:19 <@Dagmar> Clearly there are not enough responsible people there to be allowed to continue operating 09:20 <@Corydon76> s/responsible/non-delusional/ 09:20 <@rattle> I'm no fan of Alabama.. Didn't exactly enjoy any of the time I spent in the state. But even there, someone like Roy Moore seems well over the line.. 09:20 < aestetix> I don't think I've ever been there. 09:21 < aestetix> But honestly I think politics in the US in general has gotten really, really awful. 09:21 <@rattle> aestetix: You're white, but weird looking. If you're there, stay close to a major population center. 09:21 < aestetix> lol 09:21 <@Corydon76> rattle: given that he was elected twice before to statewide office, the evidence appears to be the opposite 09:21 <@rattle> Oh, it's a complete shit show. Donald Trump is president. Nuff said. 09:21 < aestetix> rattle: I've been a lot of sketchy places, but always with a friendpass. 09:21 < aestetix> Like I've been to the south of Chicago, where I was the only white person for a mile. 09:22 < aestetix> But I was with a friend who was a local 09:22 <@rattle> Corydon76: Valid point. 09:22 <@Corydon76> Politics everywhere is like that. Anywhere that a tactic works, it will be employed internationally 09:22 < aestetix> rattle: Trump is president because both parties are completely corrupt. 09:22 <@opticron> rattle, have you seen how some of the hillbillys look? aestetix would fit right in! 09:23 <@Corydon76> opticron: only if you gave him a straw hat and a sprig of wheat to chew on 09:23 <@Corydon76> Oh, and overalls 09:23 <@opticron> or a hoodie 09:24 <@rattle> But the second he speaks, they'll know.. And they'll eat him. 09:24 <@Corydon76> There are those farm boys who wear nothing on their bodies except for overalls and boots 09:24 <@opticron> fair 09:24 <@opticron> I bet they think city slickers are pretty tasty 09:24 <@opticron> all that extra seasoning from the smog 09:25 <@Corydon76> "Squeal like a piggie, boy!" 09:25 <@Dickie> That's what I'm wearing today 09:25 <@rattle> Politics often proves me wrong. Like, if you told me that assuming the persona of Yosemite Sam was enough to get 25% of the vote all by itself, I'd laugh but not believe it. Well... 09:25 <@Corydon76> Dickie: yes, but you have the sense to wear underwear, socks, and a shirt with the overalls. 09:26 <@Corydon76> I think some forget that they're overalls, not overnothings. 09:27 <@rattle> Going cowboy in denim doesn't sound like my idea of a good time. 09:27 < aestetix> I wonder if they'd get mad at me if I asked how their sister was in bed 09:28 <@Dagmar> open with "So your sister and your mother, huh?" 09:28 <@Dagmar> Just let them work out the rest of the details 09:28 <@Corydon76> National Review's headline today: "Roy Moore Did The Impossible" 09:28 <@rattle> That would probably depend on the level of established rapport.. 09:29 <@Dagmar> Jesus 09:30 <@Dagmar> CNNs got this deplorable little blurb on it that seems to imply the Democrats can't count on Jones to vote against the new tax bill because doing so could jeapordize certifying the election that's putting him in office in the first place 09:30 <@Dagmar> what? 09:31 <@Dagmar> Are they really saying outright that Alabama is so corrupt that the people in charge of certifying the elections will *lie* if they don't like the way a candidate signals they will vote on a future issue? 09:32 <@Dagmar> Pave the whole place over 09:33 <@Dickie> Corydon76: joke's on you 09:33 <@Corydon76> Dickie: Hmmm? 09:33 <@rattle> Jones isn't going to be seated for the votes about this bill. He's not even in play. 09:34 <@Dagmar> Maybe they're using markov bots to generate these things now 09:34 <@rattle> I don't know the specifics of Alabama's election certification process... But there's certainly not way he can possibly be seated until at least mid-January.. 09:34 <@Dagmar> Some template or other that says "Urgent Update: $fact1\n\n$fact2\n\$fact3" 09:35 <@Dagmar> They might as well be commenting on how he will be unable to vote on arresting Santa Claus for multiple B&E charges 09:36 <@Dagmar> "This weakens the Democrats in the War Against Christmas" 09:37 <@Dagmar> It'll be /etc/modprobe.conf or a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ the same as it's always been 09:37 <@Dagmar> !@#!@ 09:44 <@Dickie> I as implying I am wearing nothing but overalls 09:44 <@Dickie> am* 09:44 <@Dickie> THE MOMENT'S PASSED 09:47 < dfused> fuck christmas. 09:50 <@Dickie> Can we just finish fucking Hannukah first? 09:51 <@Dickie> Jeez. Earlier and earlier every year! 09:52 < dfused> ok... fuck Hannukah. then fuck christmas. fuck em both. but sure we can fuck hannukah first 09:52 <@Dickie> Thank you. 09:52 <@Dickie> See, folks? This is compromise. 09:53 < dfused> lol 09:53 < dfused> if I'm proof of reason..... you're fucked 09:54 <@_NSAKEY> dfused: More like, fuck all the co-opted pagan holidays. There, that's your nuke. 09:54 <@_NSAKEY> That's the King Jong Un option. 09:56 < dfused> yeah... I'm def more the "fuck " ... 09:59 <@Dickie> I like Christmas 09:59 < dfused> but now that I've shit all over peoples fantasy sky gods... I've got to go get a tooth extrcted! so excited. 09:59 <@Dickie> It's not like the holidays were more valid when they were pagan 09:59 <@Dickie> "The problems all started when we stopped worshipping the sun!" 09:59 <@_NSAKEY> dfused: rAmen 10:04 <@Dagmar> So is "The deck was stacked against him" the new codephrase for "He's a complete fucktard." 10:11 <@Dickie> I think it just means "It's not faaaaaaaaaair!" 10:19 <@Dagmar> I actually being given shit in ##Linux because I stated "Morons don't call it a role account." 10:20 <@Dagmar> Because people started _arguing_ about whether or not root is a user or a role account 10:20 <@Dagmar> What the actual fuck 10:40 <@Catonic> aestetix: cliff notes: Alabama was borne out of regulatory capture and continues to be kept in regulatory capture as one of a few southern states where business is generally given whatever it wants because "we need jobs" and because our labor prices are low and/or artificially supressed. 10:41 <@Catonic> And yes, they did just try to make the election about someone who did wrong (but at least he's hetero and God-fearing) versus a Democrat who wants to take your guns away and allow loose women to get abortions from 1 week to 40 weeks without asking a man for approval first. 10:43 <@Dolemite> s/asking/begging 10:43 <@Catonic> The Young Republicans broke from the GOP and distanced themselves from the matter. 10:43 <@Catonic> Of course they would, if they want a future in politics. 10:44 <@Catonic> Dagmar: Trusted Solaris, even. 10:46 <@Catonic> root is a role account. Once the system is installed and the security admin account is unlocked, root becomes pretty useless in The World Before Sudo 10:47 <@Catonic> But in general, no, root is a user. 10:47 <@Dolemite> root is a user. I'm surfing the web and chatting from that account right now! 10:48 <@Catonic> And for those of you not in Alabama.... welcome to every election for every Alabama politican ever. You know they are going to spend money recklessly and hook up people they shouldn't, but the deck is stacked if you think the other party won't spend money like a fratboy having hit the lottery before spring break. 10:49 <@Catonic> and we even vote judges, so don't go thinking things are great in the under-funded judiciary either. 10:50 <@Catonic> s/vote/elect/g # got the dumb today 10:51 <@Dolemite> Well, Alabama has been on a decent track, lately. Got rid of the cheating Sunday School teacher/governor. Rejected the mallrat. 10:52 <@Corydon76> Catonic: I have less of a problem with elected judges than I do with elected judges who start foundations from which they draw a salary, when the foundation might be accepting donations from persons who might appear before the court. 10:53 <@Corydon76> All the appearance of bribery, even if it's legal from a structural perspective 10:54 <@Corydon76> That came out during the primary, long before the revelations of sexual predation. 10:55 <@Catonic> The state allows the candidate to carry forward a loan to the campaign of some amount of money, which usually magically amounts to the remaining moeny in the campaign fund. 10:59 < aestetix> Corydon76: you mean allegations 11:00 < aestetix> I know America has a problem with their attitude on sex, but it's really getting tiresome seeing all these accusations in the news taken as fact without any kind of trial. 11:02 <@Catonic> I think the Bentley brouhaha was just an opportunity to have a newsday at a dirty politician who got caught... not that anyone cared, but that the hypocritical bastard got sunlighted... and boy they don't like that. 11:03 <@Corydon76> aestetix: A single accusation would be an allegation. A pattern of behavior goes beyond mere allegation 11:03 < aestetix> Corydon76: a single news outlet reporting Hillary had a 90% chance of winning would be just that. All of them reporting it creates a pattern. 11:04 <@Corydon76> Even if you didn't believe the women, when it came out that he was banned from Gadsden area malls for that behavior, that ought to be enough to form a solid opinion that this was not merely a misunderstanding 11:04 < aestetix> So first you mock the people of Alabama for being backwards, but are suddenly assuming they are rational when they do something you agree with? 11:05 <@Corydon76> aestetix: Apparently, you failed statistics. 90% doesn't mean it will happen. 11:05 <@Corydon76> aestetix: you're also mistaking mocking a subset of the population for mocking the entire population 11:05 < aestetix> Yet if you look at the German election that just happened, the poll results completely match what the outcome was. 11:06 <@Corydon76> aestetix: apples and oranges 11:06 < aestetix> And the worst part is, because I bring up these points, I bet you'll now accuse me of being a pedophile or something. 11:07 <@Corydon76> Do the Germans elect leaders based upon an electoral college? 11:07 < aestetix> Yes, I am skeptical of allegations in the US, especially with intersectional "feminism" making a wave. 11:07 <@Corydon76> Remember, Hillary Clinton DID achieve a majority of the popular vote. 11:07 < aestetix> However, if they go through the system and the right questions are asked by judges, it seems reasonable to defer to them. 11:07 <@Corydon76> And normally, that's enough to also secure the electoral win. In 2016, it wasn't. It happens. 11:08 < aestetix> IMHO american news media has proven itself totally unworthy of trust. 11:08 < aestetix> I'm not sure why this should be any different. 11:09 < aestetix> Yes. With the electoral college, three states determine the election. Without it, three cities do. 11:10 <@Corydon76> Really? I was under the impression that Germans have a parliamentary system 11:10 * aestetix shrugs 11:10 < aestetix> Germany is fucked in several ways. 11:10 < aestetix> I'm just saying that the polls do reflect how the voting went. 11:10 < aestetix> Nothing else. 11:11 < aestetix> Honestly the EU is probably fucked. I hope it is still around in 10 years. 11:11 <@Corydon76> And the polls reflected the way the American election went, too. Just the wrong proportions in the wrong places. 11:12 < aestetix> anyways, afk 11:25 -!- remoford [~remo_lapt@c-69-137-84-154.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:49 < K`Tetch> the EU is a long way from being fucked 11:57 <@Catonic> Remember, the election in Alabama comes down to 49% / 49% +/- 1%. 11:58 <@Catonic> well, closer to 48/48 +/- 1% since about 1-2% of voters were for third parties. 11:59 <@Mirage> so what you're saying is that if the other guy looses, it's the fault of whomever would have voted for the other guy and didn't 11:59 <@Dagmar> I hope not 11:59 <@Dagmar> That's insanely wrong 12:00 <@Dagmar> Let's have a vote on what people must have shoved up their asses next week 12:00 <@Dagmar> The contenders are a bowling ball, and a salad bowl 12:00 <@Dagmar> If you don't vote for bowling balls, you're to blame for havig a salad bowl shoved up your ass. 12:00 <@Mirage> on the news last night there was one of the retired basketball players on talking about the scandal crap and saying that they should stop it because it was just making Alabama look like a bunch of fools. I think he grossly underestimated it..they're helping to make the US look like a bunch of fools. 12:00 < aestetix> K`Tetch: I think it's in more fragile shape than you might think. The Catalonia thing really, really scares me. 12:01 <@Dagmar> If you don't blame for salad bowls, you only have yourself to blame for having a bowling ball shoved up your ass. 12:01 <@Dagmar> Are we clear about not blaming non-voters yet? 12:02 < aestetix> Dagmar: I would say that voting for a write-in candidate is better than not voting. 12:02 <@Dagmar> It is less unreasonable to blame the people who don't throw firebombs 12:02 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Yet a write in is not a vote for bowling balls up the ass 12:02 < aestetix> If all the candidates suck, which seems to be the case in the US these days, there is no reason not to give your vote to Mickey Mouse. 12:03 < aestetix> bowling balls.. what the hell... I do not want context for that 12:03 <@Dagmar> So, that means you're _still_ to blame for having a salad bowl shoved up your ass. 12:03 <@Dagmar> Because either the bowling ball or the salad bowl is going to win 12:03 <@Dagmar> They've been carefully selected by the large and prosperous Coalition for Bowling Ball Polishers and the Association For Painted Salad Bowls 12:04 <@Mirage> unfortuntely the write-ins don't count for shit and the reality is that if you're just gonna write in someone arbitrary then you may as well not vote. 12:04 < aestetix> Mirage: I disagree. 12:04 < aestetix> well hmm in the US it is actually sort of correct 12:04 <@Dagmar> Large marketing campaigns ahve been launched explaining to everyone the benfits of having large, solid objects shoved into their asses 12:04 < aestetix> In Germany at least, you can cast a non-ballot 12:04 < aestetix> Which is voting for nobody 12:04 <@Dagmar> This means of course that it MUST be beneficial for you 12:04 < aestetix> And it gets counted as a non ballot 12:04 < aestetix> So when everyone is pissed off at their voices, there is often a sizeable turnout for nobody 12:05 <@Mirage> What should be petitioned for is adding a "none of the above" vote in which case all runners are banned from running for office in that district until the next regular election, and then a special election is held with different candidates 12:05 < aestetix> haha 12:05 < aestetix> yes exactly 12:05 <@Dagmar> That woudl require another vote to happen and the bowling ball and salad bowl people aren't going to think that's in anyone's best interests 12:06 < aestetix> So imagine the 2016 election was Trump technically winning, but there was a 40% turnout for "nobody" 12:06 <@Dagmar> So, it's buy lube or buy pitchforks 12:06 <@Dagmar> aestetix: It was larger than that 12:07 < aestetix> Mirage: actually that might help improve things in the US 12:07 <@Mirage> aestetix: makes too much sense, so would never happen. 12:09 < aestetix> sadly I'll never be able to vote in germany 12:09 < aestetix> at least not at a federal level. 12:10 < K`Tetch> aestetix - the catalonia thing doesn't scare me 12:10 < aestetix> K`Tetch: I know several people from there, including one guy who lives there right now. 12:11 < aestetix> If they are any indication, the Catalonians are really, really pissed 12:11 < K`Tetch> ok... I know a whole bunch, including politicians on both sides of the issue, and have sent 8 years dealing with their foibles. 12:12 < K`Tetch> and I'm sure if you talk to a trump supoprter, a lot of people are very very pissed about trump not getting respect and being stymied 12:12 < K`Tetch> about 30% of catalans are pissed, same as always 12:12 < aestetix> If that's true, then why did Spain use force to prevent them from voting? 12:13 < K`Tetch> why did the government use law enforcement to stop an illegal act? 12:13 < K`Tetch> gee, I don't know.... 12:13 < K`Tetch> an illegal act that barely stops short of treason 12:14 < K`Tetch> I mean I get you've kinda come into this cold, and don't really understand the long history and the legal requirements and restrictions on things, and you've a libertarianmindset of 'if I want to do this, fuck everyone else', but it doesn't tend to work that way 12:15 < aestetix> So first off, please knock off the straw man. Second, if you are offering up a resource where I can better learn this long history, I'm all ears. 12:16 < K`Tetch> try a non-catalan, catalan 12:17 < K`Tetch> I got a lot of education dealing with actual political arties, and from talking to a bunch there, especially mediating between PRATA (the spanish pirate party) and Pirate-Catalan (a seperate catalonian pirate party), especially after the catalan aprty raised a last minute vote for recognition outside normal practices to force themselves above the wishes of greater spain (gee, doesn't that sound familier) 12:18 < K`Tetch> its also something we cover in school, and even in Spanish class (castilian v catalan) 12:20 < K`Tetch> (we also covered the alsace region ni French) 12:21 < aestetix> we = the UK? 12:21 < K`Tetch> just my school 12:21 < K`Tetch> I couldn't speak to the whole uk 12:21 < aestetix> oh ok 12:21 < K`Tetch> but then again, my school was the top int he NW at the time, and top10 nationally (and currently the top nationally) 12:22 < aestetix> I think what is most reasonable to say right now is there is a bunch of turmoil lurking beneath the surface, and there aren't clear answers. 12:23 < aestetix> Like, you see what happened in Catalan, and at the same time you see the massive shift to the AfD in Germany. Mostly due to the former East. 12:24 < K`Tetch> I hadn't looked on Germany in a few weeks 12:24 < aestetix> Not to mention how close the election in France was. 12:24 < K`Tetch> been focused on net neutrality, and video editing 12:24 < aestetix> ah ok 12:24 < aestetix> Ok, are you fmiliar with AfD? 12:24 < aestetix> I'm assuming yes 12:24 < K`Tetch> somewhat 12:25 < aestetix> They are the far right party. Everyone in Berlin calls them the neo-nazis. Although people outside of Berlin say they are just conservative. Because Berlin is sort of the san francisco is germany. 12:25 < aestetix> In the last election, Merkel's party CDU suffered a massive loss, and almost all their seats went to the AfD. 12:25 < aestetix> And now the AfD is the third highest ranking party in Germany, which would have been unheard of two years ago. 12:26 < aestetix> And if you look at the voting demographics, the vast majority of their increase comes from the former east. 12:26 < aestetix> Which is especially biting becaues Merkel is from East Germany 12:28 < K`Tetch> what, hamburg wasn't it? 12:28 < aestetix> So while I realize that Spain has a very long and complex history i don't claim to understand, I'm sure you'll appreciate that I see that, combined with Brexit, combined with Geert Wilders in the Netherlands, combined with Le Front Nationale, combined with this Germany stuff, and start to ask questions 12:28 < K`Tetch> although i remember liepzig being in her history soemwhere 12:29 < aestetix> She was born in Hamburg, moved to the east as a baby 12:29 < aestetix> so technically she is from the west, but grew up in commiunism 12:29 < K`Tetch> the only other thing i remember is that like Thatcher, she was a chemist 12:30 < aestetix> And also the very strong nationalism in Poland. 12:30 < aestetix> I haven't paid attention to the other countries, save Greece, which is its own clusterfuck. 12:32 < K`Tetch> there's a significant nationalist rise everywhere, it comes from increasing income inequality, and tribalist appeals in the face of increasing technological progression which is seen to be alienating people, and maknig them more susceptable to maniuplation through targetting 12:32 < aestetix> Well you're forgetting one major issue 12:32 < aestetix> For the most part, the EU consists of many different countries with totally different economies, using a common currency 12:33 < aestetix> Which is starting to really bite Germany. 12:33 < aestetix> And all your other points, I basically agee on 12:34 < aestetix> well, not entirely, but close enough 12:39 <@Evilpig> since it's the time of year when christmas music is allowed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMfjzzuSg9o 12:39 < PigBot> Title: "Oh Tannenbaum" by Psychostick [in the style of Rammstein] Christmas Song - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/m7zjohk 12:39 < aestetix> K`Tetch: btw, any chance you will make Congress in the future? 12:40 < K`Tetch> I will not, no. My wife's expressly ruled out ever running for office in the us 12:40 < aestetix> oh sorry I mean CCC 12:40 < aestetix> The annual conference in Germany 12:41 < K`Tetch> oh, no 12:41 < aestetix> although given the topic I should have been more clear :p 12:41 < K`Tetch> i hate traveling and refuse to fly 12:41 < aestetix> And uh.... you seem like a nice guy, I would hate to see you run for office. 12:41 < K`Tetch> shitcan the Terrorist Support Agency and I might cconsider it 12:41 < aestetix> I'm in favor of abolishing the entire DHS :p 12:42 < aestetix> TSA is first in line to go 12:44 <@Dickie> Did we already mention Hitler? 12:44 < K`Tetch> NEIN! 12:44 <@Dickie> Ok, then: Hitler. 12:45 < K`Tetch> what, eddie hitler, lives with Richard Richard, what about him? 12:45 <@Dickie> Isn't Richard Richard a tiny deer? 12:47 < K`Tetch> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottom_(TV_series) 12:47 < PigBot> Couldn't snarf url: HTTP Error 404: Not Found. http://tinyurl.com/y73q46fa 12:55 -!- HackMaster [uid45710@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qzurboqilkadexqw] has joined #se2600 13:18 <@Dagmar> Interesting. I have a stop order that's already triggered, but is now stuck 13:19 <@Dagmar> I wonder whats' going to happen if the it triggers again 13:19 <@Dagmar> Looks like free money 14:22 <@Dolemite> /away home 14:43 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: @rattle 14:44 -!- Netsplit over, joins: rattle 14:44 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rattle] by ChanServ 16:36 -!- sicsscam [~sicsscam@24.154.71.208] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:45 -!- remoford [~remo_lapt@c-69-137-84-154.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 16:56 -!- Imgur[m] [nebimgurma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-mxujkrbpqvrkhawb] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:57 -!- Imgur[m] [nebimgurma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-yprjkixzqclleesv] has joined #se2600 18:10 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@24-178-141-147.dhcp.thtn.ga.charter.com] has joined #se2600 18:13 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:23 < K`Tetch_> so, big NN vote tomorow, who's supoprting the vote? 18:33 <@Evilpig> https://photos.app.goo.gl/xwEwzGJebEV1ZB253 18:33 < PigBot> Evilpig: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 30480 bytes. 18:33 <@Evilpig> hit and run 18:33 < K`Tetch_> ? 18:34 <@Evilpig> that was my truck about 4pm 18:34 <@Evilpig> the hole behind the driver's seat was made by my head 18:34 < K`Tetch_> ouch 18:35 < K`Tetch_> I had someone back into my car 3 weeks ago, still waiting to hear from insurance 18:53 < dfused> teh tread on them tires looks a bit thin 18:55 < dfused> @Evilpig did you get checked out by a medic? 19:32 <@Dagmar> Fuck... no one called the cops on the driver? 19:39 < K`Tetch_> buying a dashcam? 19:47 <@Dagmar> Not sure that would really help for a rear-ending 19:48 <@Dagmar> I am surprised tho that no one saw it and made a call 20:06 -!- NotLarry [~NotLarry@c-68-53-123-92.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 20:06 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o NotLarry] by ChanServ 20:32 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: K`Tetch_, @LastChild, @ChanServ 20:34 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @ChanServ 20:36 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@24-178-141-147.dhcp.thtn.ga.charter.com] has joined #se2600 20:36 -!- LastChild [~RasPi@c-71-228-205-189.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 20:36 -!- ServerMode/#se2600 [+o LastChild] by wilhelm.freenode.net 20:39 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: a dashcam might have caught his plate as he went driving off down the shoulder after plowing me from behind 20:40 <@Evilpig> dfused: fireman/emt checked my head and said he didn't see any cuts and there wasn't a knot forming yet and asked if I wanted the ambulance 20:40 <@Evilpig> I didn't want to pay for no damn ambulance for no good reason 20:40 < dfused> well we all know ur hardheaded and this proves it 20:41 <@Evilpig> I didn't think anyone that knows me ever doubted me being hard headed 20:41 < dfused> hehe glad ur ok tho man 20:42 <@Catonic> ouch dude 20:42 <@Evilpig> times like this I'm glad I have a spare vehicle. but i'm fucking pissed because I love that truck 20:42 <@Catonic> do you taste metal? 20:42 <@Evilpig> no 20:42 <@Catonic> you might be ok then 20:42 <@Evilpig> took a shower earlier and got several shards out of the back of my neck. caught a few on the towel too 20:44 <@Evilpig> the wrecker place has a body shop and thought they might be able to get it mostly straightened out for a couple hundred as long as the engine didn't get fucked. 20:45 <@Evilpig> if that happens I may fix it and keep on driving it 20:46 <@Evilpig> had I been in the new car today... I would be beyond pissed right now 20:46 <@_NSAKEY> Evilpig: Be sure to ask them about the frame. 20:47 <@Evilpig> oh I will. the one good thing that truck has going for it was a solid steel frame. hard to mangle but once it does it's pretty well toast 20:47 <@Evilpig> that dude hit me fuckin' hard too 20:49 <@Evilpig> what really pissed me off and made me laugh was I have the new passenger taillight sitting in the floorboard right now 20:49 <@Evilpig> I bought a replacement after that fuckwad sideswiped me the first part of november 20:49 <@_NSAKEY> I was once rear-ended while driving a pickup, but it was at a lower speed and the other guy took all the damage. I had a ball and tongue in, and he hit that pretty squarely at about 30 mph. 20:50 <@_NSAKEY> He clearly didn't have insurance, because he asked if I even wanted to call metro about it. I looked at the paint scuff on my ball and the nice little dent in his front bumper, and told him that I didn't care. 20:53 <@Evilpig> guess i'm gonna go clean up the kitchen and goto bed. 21:08 <@Catonic> "Since I switched to driving off, I've cut my insurance in half!" 21:09 <@Catonic> Glad you're ok, man. 21:32 -!- crashcart [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iwpddonbbldhvksm] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 22:33 < aestetix> K`Tetch_: curious what you think of Rosa Parks 22:44 < K`Tetch_> what about her? 22:45 < K`Tetch_> Dagmar - you can buy front+back dashcams too (does you state have front plates?) 22:45 < K`Tetch_> er, Evilpig even 22:46 < K`Tetch_> getting me confuszzled 22:46 < aestetix> K`Tetch_: well you said that Catalon broke the law. And I was wondering what you think of civil disobedience 22:47 < K`Tetch_> note the first word - CIVIL 22:47 < K`Tetch_> government agents, acting under color of authority, can't exactly practice 'civil' disobedience 22:49 < K`Tetch_> what next, you going to call Rodney King's assailants 'just practising civil disobedience over what they see is a weak approach to crime prevention'? 22:50 < K`Tetch_> Roy Moore and both actions that got him shitcans from the ASC were just 'acts of civil disobedience'? 22:58 < aestetix> well hold on, to me the idea of civil disobedience is a protest against unjust laws 22:58 < aestetix> and I don't think you can extend that to Rodney King 22:58 < aestetix> but you could absolutely extend that to, say, the American founding fathers 23:29 < K`Tetch_> So, government officials can ignore any law they feel like, when they feel like, and just call it 'civil disobedience'? 23:29 < aestetix> I believe there are several instances of this going through the american supreme court right now 23:30 < aestetix> but IMHO you're also misrepresenting the point I was making 23:31 < K`Tetch_> nope, you brought up civil disobedience to try and justify a government official, using the power of their office to willingly and deliberately violate the law for their own ends 23:32 < K`Tetch_> (and to do, some might say, an action of personal gani) 23:32 < aestetix> I think it depends on what the law is, and how and why its being enforced 23:33 < aestetix> I mean this is why socieities have first principles 23:33 < K`Tetch_> the law in that case is the Spanish Constitution, which Catalan agreed to and ratified fairly recently 23:34 < K`Tetch_> and they were told it was against the law, and the Catalans threatend violence if anyone tried to stop them 23:34 < aestetix> ah ok! this part I didn't know 23:35 < K`Tetch_> so, after the supreme court had weighed in and said it's illegal, and the catalan head said 'we don't care, we're gogn to do it anyway, and you're never going to stop us, and we'll fight you if you try', what should madrid have done? 23:36 < K`Tetch_> let the 30% shit all over rule of law, undermine the constitution, and destroy confidence in the ability of the government and the judicary to act effectively, or act to uphold the law? 23:36 < aestetix> so this part was not in the news internationally or in any of the summaries I read 23:36 < K`Tetch_> you need better news - I know it was covered in the BBC world news podcast 23:37 <@Dagmar> So you're tellnig us they're ready to become the 51st state of the US then 23:37 <@Dagmar> Having successfully proven their rule of law works about as well as ours when it comes to government bodies 23:37 < aestetix> heh 23:38 < K`Tetch_> well, the catalan leader then fled, to brussels, iirc 23:38 < K`Tetch_> believed in his 'civil disobedience' so much, he was willing to stand behind it o matter what... unless it slightly inconvenienced him 23:39 <@Dagmar> "I'll stand behind it... over here. Where it's safer." 23:39 < aestetix> well my take on that was more that he didn't trust the spanish government but he trusted the EU 23:39 < aestetix> because the action wasn't against the EU, but against spain 23:39 < K`Tetch_> like ASsange - talks a good talk about 'freedom' and runs like a coward the first time he's called to account for his actions 23:39 < aestetix> ok let's not conflate that 23:39 < K`Tetch_> The EU stood with Spain 23:40 < K`Tetch_> its more relevant than Rosa parks 23:41 < aestetix> well no, the rosa parks comment was a response to your "they broke the law" argument 23:41 < aestetix> the other stuff is much more complicated and dilutes the argument 23:43 < K`Tetch_> there's a difference between an unjust and arbitrary criminal law imposed by outsiders, and the ultimate statutory law that states government officals can't acy arbitrarally and a region must go through a thoroughly democraic process to show support before acting in a significant way like that. 23:43 < K`Tetch_> but yeah, Spanish constitution and alabama apartheid, pretty equivilent... 23:52 < K`Tetch_> (snarky mood, long day of NN work) 23:53 < aestetix> K`Tetch_: no worries. I'm also handling two other things right now 23:53 < aestetix> so unfortunately you only get 1/3 of my full on snark 23:54 < aestetix> speaking of illegal activities 23:54 < aestetix> anyone have a good magnet link for the new mr robot? 23:55 < K`Tetch_> i got an xdcc bot for the torrent file 23:56 < aestetix> well I found a magnet link, it's just slow 23:56 < K`Tetch_> of course, depends ont he size//quality 23:57 < K`Tetch_> well, the 1080 264 only pre'd 8 mins ago 23:59 < K`Tetch_> do you have good settings for your connection speed (most common failing is people put too many connections) 23:59 < aestetix> i'm using the default rtorrent settings 23:59 < K`Tetch_> oh dear 23:59 < aestetix> (downloading on a server in the US so I don't have to deal with german law) --- Log closed Thu Dec 14 00:00:05 2017