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04:12 < aestetix> wow, apparently TYT had a sex scandal too
04:13 < aestetix> Is it really that hard to work at a job without having sex with people there
04:13  * aestetix sighs
04:23 <@_NSAKEY> TYT = ?
04:28 < aestetix> the young turks
06:25 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:27  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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07:39 <@Catonic> TYT?
07:41 <@Catonic> dasunt: it's probably a reorder tone informing you that all circuits are busy, not a busy tone.
07:46 <@Catonic> oh, the young turks. as opposed to radio manufacturer Tyt.
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09:04 <@Dagmar> They've basically bloggers who use a camera
09:04 <@Dagmar> Except for Michael... He's a coke fiend who blogs for money
09:31 <@oddball> aestetix: Hadn't heard about that, but I'm not shocked.
09:53 <@Mirage> aaarrrrrrrgggggghhh!!!    fucking AD guys are just worthless as fuck
09:59 <@Evilpig> yes
10:00 <@Corydon76> s/guys are/is/
10:31 <@Dickie> aaaaand gals
10:40 <@dasunt> Catonic: Nope, our support got back, something was scrweed up.
10:50 < aestetix> Dagmar: yep pretty much
11:08  * dasunt is dealing with frustrating people today.
11:08 <@dasunt> Mirage: What are you paying your AD guy?  I can be worthless as fuck for a competitive wage.  ;)
11:09  * dasunt mutters something about OUs and GPOs.  <- See, qualified as shit.
11:45 <@dasunt> Should I test out Firefox 57?
11:46 <@Evilpig> only if you want to be angry
11:46 <@dasunt> Why would I be angry?
11:46 <@Evilpig> it does run faster, but all the addons that it kills off will be irritating
11:46 <@Evilpig> there is 0 java support
11:46 <@dasunt> Wait, zero java support?
11:46 <@Evilpig> javascript, yes.   java applet, etc no
11:46 <@Evilpig> nothing
11:46 <@Evilpig> nada
11:46 <@Evilpig> get fukt
11:46 <@dasunt> LOL.
11:47 <@Evilpig> time card program here is java and boy was that a pain in the ass
11:47 <@dasunt> what I hear is 0 java applet security bugs.  ;)
11:47 <@Evilpig> remote console through ilo, etc also disabled
11:47 <@Evilpig> the few things that I need java for are really irritating
11:48 <@Evilpig> all the addons that took magnet links and sent them to a torrent client.  dead
11:48 <@Evilpig> foxyproxy is finally working again
11:48 <@dasunt> Ugh, Firefox is ugly.
11:49 < aestetix> and shitty
11:50 < aestetix> I tried to run the latest version, it kept locking u
11:50 < aestetix> up
11:50 <@Evilpig> pebkac
11:50 <@dasunt> I've been mostly using Chrome lately, but I do feel a little bad about giving my soul to Google.
11:57 <@dasunt> Lets see - random theme switcher is disabled.  Bleh.
12:04 <@dasunt> Otherwise, not too bad for extensions.
12:15 < aestetix> ugh
12:15 < aestetix> what would it take to end twitter
12:15 < aestetix> I accidentally looked at it to see something
12:15 < aestetix> and came away angry (as usual)
12:16 <@Dolemite> Just stop looking at Twitter.   It has long ago turned into the cesspool of the internet.
12:16 < aestetix> It somehow took over from Tumblr
12:42 <@Mirage> dasunt: I don't knwo what the customer pays their AD team, but it's obviously too much
12:57 <@Dagmar> Brace yoself... BTC may pass 10k today
12:57 <@Dagmar> News agencies will go apesnort
13:13 <@Dagmar> ...now the cash-ins happen.  lol
13:24 < aestetix> ok has anyone here used virwox?
13:24 < aestetix> I'm thinking to buy 10 EUR of bitcoin
13:25 <@Dolemite> The last time I got a $75 gift card from work for an "attaboy" I bought 1 LTC with it.   I'm up $12.
13:50 <@Dagmar> yeah well, I basically staged  coup preventing a quarter million dollars of damage, and all I got was a letter
13:50 <@Dagmar> ...but i've made a crapload more than $12 on LTC
13:51 <@Dagmar> ...today.
13:51 <@Dolemite> I haven't actually made anything, yet, because I haven't cashed out.
13:52 <@Dolemite> What goes up can just as easily go down
13:52 <@Dolemite> that's why I only put my "free money" in it
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13:54 <@Dagmar> A shame you haven't applied that same standard to the 401 plan Vanderbilt put your money in
13:54 <@Mirage> I have about as much faith in BTC and other cryto currencies as I did in most of the late 90's early 2000's dot coms.
13:54 <@Dagmar> Whatevs
13:55 <@Mirage> Granted "real" money isn't really backed by anything anymore either beyond whatever gov't prints it and claims it has value
14:00 < xray> In theory all money is based on exchanged value of work product
14:01 < xray> Int he case of fiat currency like the US dollar it is based on the GDP of the country.
14:01 < xray> with loans it means the lender believes we can do the work that will repay the loan
14:01 <@Mirage> http://cad-comic.com/comic/fine/
14:02 < PigBot> Title: Fine | Ctrl+Alt+DelFine Ctrl+Alt+Del Comic (at cad-comic.com) http://tinyurl.com/y88g9hrz
14:02 < xray> money is abstraction of the vlue of work product
14:02 < xray> in all cases
14:02 < xray> weather it is dollars, gold, BTC, or sea shells
14:02 < xray> otherwise your trying to barter services and goods for services and goods
14:03 < xray> directly
14:03 <@Mirage> and what's wrong with that?   Dolemite can attest to the fact that I will whore myself to all sorts of manual labor for beer and sonic
14:04 < xray> The comic implies there is something wrong with the justice league movie? Is that true?
14:04 < xray> Mirage: Nothing is wrong with barter until you have to do it at scale.
14:05 < xray> Makes building a cell phone a real challenge
14:05 < xray> or any modernity we have come to rely on
14:06 < xray> According to Rotten Tomatoes 82% of the audience liked it. https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/justice_league_2017
14:06 < PigBot> Couldn't snarf url: [Errno 1] _ssl.c:492: error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure. http://tinyurl.com/ya7d355s
14:06 < xray> that's a really good score.
14:07 <@Mirage> yeah, well..i'm one of those really weird techy guys that thinks a cell phone should be a phone...period.  if i need something more i can use a laptop/tablet/etc
14:08 < xray> Mirage: That's fine but try building that simple phone at scale with barter when parts are sourced from multiple countries as well as all the sub assembly process and marketing.
14:09 < xray> managing a barter for every piece of that becomes virtually impossible
14:09 < xray> which is why we have the work abstraction of money
14:13 <@Mirage> Yeah..and he prices of things have little/nothing to do with what it took to produce it.  Companies that make the same things year after year and decide they want to show a profit decide to skimp on quality instead of craziness like improvements.   Why make someone buy soemthing new that they had to work to develop when they can just peddle cheap crap at the same $$ and roll in the $$ with planned failure rates and/or obsolescence
14:15 <@Mirage> There is no way that there is ~$250 woth of materials in the Start Injecttor Temperature sensor for my Toyota pickup..but the truck will not run without it, so they can rape the shit out of you setting whatever price they want.
14:17 <@Mirage> Ditto on buying a "desk" vs a "computer desk" at <store>.  The only dfference may be the slide-out drawer and an extra hle smewhere for wires to get run through, but it's gonna cost another 40-50% most likely
14:25 <@rattle> So apparently root without a password works on OS X High Sierra.  That's all!  Byebye!
14:27 <@Dagmar> Surely you don't mean that's available over ssh by default or something
14:30 <@Mirage> Apparently I have to piss off the SlingTV people a bit more before they stop sending me shit.  They just don't seem to get that even with 4k streaming video, having only stereo audio is still absolute shit
14:31 <@Dagmar> Whatttt?
14:31 <@Dagmar> 4K but no 5.1?
14:31 <@Dagmar> That's fuckin' madness
14:31 <@Mirage> And the sad thing is that I had to get escalated twice before their 'support' people even knew wtf i was talking about
14:32 <@Mirage> If you just watch it on your TV and don't have a 7.2 surround system you'd never know.
14:32 <@Mirage> I also tried out the directtv one and a couple others...all the same deal
14:33 <@Mirage> Of course they use the argument of "we do stream DTS".
14:33 <@Mirage> And then didn't like having it pointed out that "DTS 2.0 is still stereo"
14:34 <@Dagmar> DTS can be 5.1
14:34 <@Dagmar> If they're only encoding 2 channels into it then they're simply failing
14:34 <@Mirage> it can be anything from mono to 7.2
14:34 <@Mirage> they just ONLY provide 2.0 or in some rare cases 2.1
14:36 <@Dagmar> Oh wow 2.1 they should be proud
14:37 <@Dagmar> That'll save people a whole dollar thirty in parts for the lowpass filter
14:37 <@Evilpig> Mirage: that's not unheard of.  I saw a load of people at best buy on thanksgiving with shiny new PS4s and those 2 channel sound bars
14:37 <@Evilpig> I was like wtf... why?
15:06 <@NotLarry> rattle: +1
15:07 <@dasunt> I don't think barter economies really stick around.
15:07 <@dasunt> I think that's one of those conventional wisdom economic myths, and instead in primitive societies, you'd see something like a gift economy happen instead.
15:16 <@dasunt> Also, I'm at 2.0 for sound at home right now.  I really should upgrade.  :p
15:16 <@dasunt> Which I guess is good, because Hulu doesn't do 5.1 either.  LOL.
15:17 <@Dagmar> Netflix does
15:17 <@dasunt> So does Amazon, according to a comment I see.
15:17 <@Dagmar> It's damn freaky when someone makes good use of it, since one of the speakers is behind and to the left of my head in the bedroom
15:18 <@dasunt> Maybe if I buy a second TV for the house, I'll set up a 5.1 system in the living room.
15:18 <@Dagmar> It's not expensive
15:18 <@Dagmar> You can get recievers for $250 easily
15:18 <@dasunt> It's not, but right now, we just drag the TV stand into the bedroom if we want to watch in bed.
15:18 <@Dagmar> ...including a modest set of speakers
15:18 <@Mirage> I was watching something a couple days ago and the scene was at night in the swamp, so they had bugs, frogs, etc all making noise in the side and bacjk channels.   Was driving one of my cats nuts trying to figue out where they were and if it could get them.
15:18 <@Dagmar> looool
15:19 <@dasunt> (I have a very small house.)
15:21 <@Mirage> I love playing the part of BOFH with some of these customers.
15:21 <@Mirage> Case in point..  VM has 8G ram and 4 vCPUs.
15:21 <@Mirage> CPU's are all pegged, so they naturally want to throw 4 more vCPUs at it
15:23 <@Mirage> I point out the fact that all the load is being generated by java processes which are only configured for 64m and that the server has 6G free and ma forcing them to tune their app and prove that it needs more vCPUs
15:24 <@_NSAKEY> Mirage: Are you forcing them to tune it with "rm -rf --no-preserve-root /" ?
15:24 <@Dagmar> lol
15:24 <@Mirage> don;t tempt me
15:34 <@Evilpig> hahah.  doh!  https://twitter.com/pugson/status/935605768786731008
15:34 < PigBot> Title: 👽 Wojtek on Twitter: "@lemiorhan @AppleSupport @Apple No need to try it several times. Just type in `root` and press enter. https://t.co/1s7xwBV8An" (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/ycuc7cl9
15:42 < dc0de[m]> Stupid eat
15:42 < dc0de[m]> Stupid easy
15:50 <@Mirage> yeah, even dec0de can do that hack
15:51 <@Mirage> er, dc0de
15:51 < dc0de[m]> Right? :)
16:14 <@Dagmar> heh
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16:36 <@dasunt> This audio talk has made me realize I want a 4 speaker setup for my garage.
16:36 <@dasunt> It doesn't have to be good, just a doubled up 2x2.0 setup so I can hear it.
16:41 <@Mirage> what you need is a stack of 8 tracks and an old quadrophonic system
16:43 <@Mirage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadraphonic_sound
16:43 < PigBot> Title: Quadraphonic sound - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/a4th4tu
16:43 <@Mirage> Hrm, I didn't realize it was for LP's also..I just remember the 8-tracks
16:44 <@dasunt> LOL.  I just want to plug in my phone to a minijack and be able to hear it throughout the garage.
16:49 <@Mirage> I got this one for my garage and have been very happy with it. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CAJOTNI/ref=sxbs_sxwds-stvp_1
16:49 < PigBot> Title: Amazon.com: Philips BTM2180/37 Micro Music System Black: Home Audio & Theater (at www.amazon.com) http://tinyurl.com/y7r4gr9d
16:50 <@Mirage> bluetooth, usb (ipod or stick), cd, fm.
16:50 <@Mirage> only 2 speakers, but they get louder than you'd expect and sound good
16:51 < xray> Just finished watching Frank Abagnale's presentation at Google. This was a great presentation. He even gets into cyber security and IoT during the question and answer period. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsMydMDi3rI
16:51 < PigBot> Title: Frank Abagnale: "Catch Me If You Can" | Talks at Google - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/y7oqlvo2
20:01 <@Dagmar> Pfft  Of course GDAX starts to go spongy the moment things pick up
20:13 < aestetix> http://reason.com/blog/2017/11/28/dc-metro-hit-with-another-first-amendmen
20:13 < PigBot> Title: D.C. Metro Hit With First Amendment Suit For Refusing to Run Catholic Christmas Ad - Hit & Run : Reason.com (at reason.com) http://tinyurl.com/yb59h9d7
20:13 < aestetix> look at the other plaintiffs involved, and it gets absurd
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