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00:29 <@Catonic> aestetix: land of the free for 30 seconds: sales tax... it's because it's x% of the total and some items are tax free on certain days in the year (as if a 10% savings is enough to make a difference).
00:30 <@Catonic> however, it makes entirely too much sense to precompute the tax and put that on the label, because it makes for easier math and the tax collectors don't like it when companies adjust the prices for easier consumer math.
00:31 <@Catonic> and then you have the marketing angle of having $12.99 items instead of $13.00 items
00:32 <@Catonic> kinda makes you wonder why gas is $2.139 a gallon instead of the whole cent?
00:34 <@Catonic> that's an extra byte and a lot of precision just to be able to say that we're billing out the right amount of money so we can collect 13.5 cents on 15 gallons of gas at 2.139 per gallon.
00:35 <@Catonic> I gather that road taxes are actually more than $0.009, but to me it makes the most cents to either round up, round down, or just write it off as excessive work and precision.
00:36 <@Catonic> because if you're certain to the tenth, you need to be certain in the hundredth, which means you're hitting less than reliable thousandths to make hundredths.
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06:35 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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10:16 <@Evilpig> damn comcrap had an area wide outage this morning
10:16 <@Dagmar> Sadly, they're planting fiber here in Goodlettsville
10:16 <@Dagmar> When they start calling me about upgrading, I'm going to be a dick about it
10:17 <@Dagmar> I'm going to flat out refuse any of their overtures _because_ of their interference with Google
10:17 <@Evilpig> at this point it isn't even interference with google.  they've won
10:17 < aestetix> well that was amusing
10:17 <@Dagmar> Becuase no matter what they do, they won't have the same flexible AUP as Google, and that's the service I _actually_ want
10:18 < aestetix> Given the climate today, do you think you can wear a PhreakNIC 5 shirt at the next PhreakNIC?
10:18 <@Evilpig> NES should be saying that they don't want to be added in with att and comcrap but they are being silent
10:19 <@Evilpig> the outage on my graph is very clear for this morning. that's for sure.  https://blueboy.wilpig.org/mrtg/localhost_2.html
10:19 < PigBot> Title: Traffic Analysis for public - firewall.wilpig.org (at blueboy.wilpig.org) http://tinyurl.com/yche9ruz
10:20 <@Dagmar> NES is full of nepotists
10:21 <@Dagmar> THey're not going to do anything, because they've got a lot of higher-ups engaging in minor abuses of power and resources.  Minor enough that they go ignored because NES on the whole does a very good job
10:21 <@Dagmar> If they turn against two large media conglomerates, you can _bet_ those news stories about company-paid trips and so on are going to come right back
10:22 <@Dagmar> When channel 4 started running stories on it, I was kinda like "No wonder no one's reporting on it..." because they've been kind of conservative
10:22 <@Dagmar> Car rentals, yes.  Luxury car rentals, no.
10:22 <@Dagmar> Hotel stays yes, mid-range hotels tho
10:24 <@Evilpig> did anyone else see this earlier?  http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/why-ajit-pais-decision-killing-obamas-net-neutrality-fcc-regulation-is-good/article/2641528
10:24 < PigBot> Title: Why Ajit Pai's decision killing Obama's net neutrality FCC regulation is good (at www.washingtonexaminer.com) http://tinyurl.com/yawpv5o8
10:24 <@Evilpig> the writer wouldn't even put their name on it.  this is the kind of shit you expect to see coming out of comcast's PR office
10:26 < aestetix> I was just reading this
10:26 < aestetix> http://reason.com/blog/2017/11/26/why-net-neutrality-was-mistaken-from-the
10:26 < PigBot> Title: Why Net Neutrality Was Mistaken From the Beginning (AOL Edition) - Hit & Run : Reason.com (at reason.com) http://tinyurl.com/ycfve3ws
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12:22 <@Mirage> dasunt: you mean "kitty death star"
12:23 <@Mirage> I got tired of fixing my old one and got a new one...just not wifi enabled
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13:24 <@dasunt> Kitty death stars forever!
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14:00 <@Evilpig> Mirage: the new wifi enabled ones sound kinda neat from a nerd standpoint
14:11 < aestetix> https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/27/16705748/tumblr-ceo-david-karp-founder-resignation-verizon-yahoo-oath
14:11 < PigBot> Title: Tumblr CEO David Karp is stepping down from the company - The Vergeclock (at www.theverge.com) http://tinyurl.com/y9o63o23
14:11 < aestetix> Evilpig: good thing you sold your stock
14:12 <@Evilpig> meh
14:12 <@Evilpig> my stock was yahoo not tumblr
14:13 < aestetix> and didn't yahoo get sold to verizon or something?
14:43 <@Mirage> F'n Linkedin suggested I connect with Hogan.. One thing I noticed in the recommendation is "Director"..wtf, did he fail upwards again?!
14:44 <@dasunt> Dumb question - if 25% of all bitcoin holders sold their BTCs right now, could the exchanges handle them cashing out?
14:44 <@Dagmar> Yeah they made him a director, in a "non-managerial capacity"
14:45 <@Mirage> dasunt: probably about the same way banks handled it in the 80's
14:45 <@Dagmar> dasunt: At least until the order books are depleted
14:45 <@dasunt> I wonder what it would take to crash it.
14:46 <@Evilpig> Mirage: yes he fell up again when VUMC split with VU
14:46 <@Mirage> Dagmar: more "directing" and less actual responsibility..yeah, that sounds about right.
14:46 <@Evilpig> he has a direct report now.  iirc sean johnson
14:46 <@Mirage> Well, someone has to suck his disk and give him rim jobs
14:46 <@Evilpig> and he might be in charge of all the cloud garbage with azure, etc
14:46 <@Dagmar> Yeah well, I don't care what that guy does as long as he's not touching anything I'm responsible for
14:47 <@Mirage> Sean is another one I'm suprised is still around.   He was just about worthless at doing anything except fucking shit up and making empty promises.
14:48 <@Mirage> Wait..hell, he should be Asst Director under Hogan
14:50 <@Mirage> I still laugh about how it took him like 9+ months to get Satellite 5 built and configured, and then I did the same thing with much more automation scripted to be totally hands off and supporting 5x the clients in under 2 weeks.
14:51 <@_NSAKEY> Mirage: Sounds like a friend's old co-worker.
14:51 <@_NSAKEY> The friend wrote various scripts to automate their workflow. The other guy refused to use them, calling scripting "voodoo."
14:52 <@_NSAKEY> The friend left for a ~50% pay bump elsewhere, and the other guy got "promoted" to a position that company uses to encourage people to quit.
14:53 <@_NSAKEY> The friend even had to covertly put registry entries into Windows when provisioning desktops, as a sort of proof-of-work. When they had a bunch of finger-pointing over some misconfigured desktops, he got to call attention to the lack of his special registry entry as evidence that his tooling wasn't used.
14:55 <@Mirage> Yeah, my Windows puppet stuff does registry entries for tracking/validation.   The other groups like to create txt files under the puppet etc directory
14:56 <@Mirage> I keep trying to tell them that it's easier to use the registry for setting up custom facts and such to track stuff, but they won't listen.
14:56 <@_NSAKEY> I've had fun chatting with some of the "devops" people at work. It made me giggle to know that I knew more about standing up and configuring their monitoring solution of choice than they did.
15:05 <@Mirage> I'm pretty sure I know more about SNMP than our "tools" team who managed Nimsoft and now manage EM7 for monitoring.
15:05 <@_NSAKEY> Heh.
15:06 <@_NSAKEY> I still think SNMP is death itself, but I had to learn about it earlier this year.
15:06 <@Mirage> Case in point..They were kind of lost when I asked about v2/v3 requirements and community string
15:06 <@_NSAKEY> Wait, what?
15:06 <@_NSAKEY> Did they forget what a community string was?
15:08 <@Mirage> And then IBM wasn't much better about updating the "Golden Image" templates..which actually entailed writing scripts to perform post-provision configurations.   I had to provide them with my powershell and perl/shell scripts for them to get it automated correctly.
15:08 <@_NSAKEY> What tripped them up about SNMP v2/v3?
15:09 <@Mirage> The reaction I got from them around community strings lead me to believe they knew what they were, but not necessarily what they were for.
15:09 <@_NSAKEY> Heh.
15:09 <@Mirage> Asking them if SSL was required and the associated account and authentication information
15:10 <@_NSAKEY> I got tasked with researching migrating to v3, and I concluded "Tunnel this if it's a hard requirement."
15:10 <@_NSAKEY> v3 is kind of a shit show, in terms of using random outdated crypto, and there's no real movement on the RFC for updating it.
15:11 <@Mirage> I've never seen a point to it unless you're running r/w and using it for remote management of some sort.
15:12 <@Mirage> IMO there's no place for it in passive monitoring
15:13 <@_NSAKEY> I'm all about encrypting everything possible even if it's not strictly needed, but what v3 offers is pretty much garbage. If crypto is needed, it shouldn't be at the SNMP layer, because it's too stupid for that.
15:13 <@Mirage> Setting community string with polling server IP restrictions is more than ample IMO
15:14 <@_NSAKEY> I actually went as far as reading an old article about Jeff Case from the 90s.
15:14 <@_NSAKEY> It indicated that SNMP was originally designed on a bunch of 3x5 cards, and lots of caffeine was involved. I think it's fair to say: It shows.
15:15 <@Mirage> That's kind of true about a lot of the old standards, protocols, and apps though
15:15 <@Catonic> LMAO. true
15:16 <@Mirage> People keep claiming that sendmail is a dinosaur and that it should be retired, but it's still here.
15:16 <@_NSAKEY> SNMP is like some unsightly organism that evolved independently of everything else.
15:16 <@_NSAKEY> Simple stuff like insisting that "passwords" be called "community strings," because let's force all the n00bs to have a cheat sheet to convert the special snowflake terms that don't exist anywhere else.
15:17 <@Catonic> The more time I spend in IT, the more I become convinced of the notion that everything someone else wrote is bad, and the only thing understood is the thing written by the person who wrote it.
15:18 <@Catonic> or rather, that is often the path of change and the reasons why
15:19 <@Catonic> _NSAKEY: I think some people just like to make things up and change the nomenclature because they can, and because if you don't intimately understand the lexicon, you'd best not be fucking with it in the first place.
15:19 <@_NSAKEY> Sometimes it's fun to dive into those reasons, and other times it makes my head hurt.
15:19 <@Mirage> I miss qmail..of course the only thing I liked about it was the SMTP response and error messages
15:19 <@_NSAKEY> An example I dealt with recently would be Ben's Port-A-LAN PXE set-up.
15:20 <@_NSAKEY> Ben, for no particular reason, insisted on using 192.168.10.45 as the IP for everything that matters.
15:20 <@_NSAKEY> PXE, UT99, everything... All off that one IP.
15:20 <@_NSAKEY> I asked him, why that IP in particular, why not .44 or .46. He just felt like using .45.
15:21 <@_NSAKEY> I was able to move everything away from that IP except for Unreal Tournament, because he hardcoded the IP into his PXE image in multiple places and I couldn't find them all.
15:22 <@_NSAKEY> Someone actually whined that they couldn't scan the CTF IPs using CIDR notation, and that one of the things that needed to be moved to another IP was the UT2004 server.
15:23 <@_NSAKEY> ... While people were playing it, and even after being told about the above.
15:23 <@Mirage> for file in `grep -R \.45 | awk -F ":" {'print $1'}`;do sed -e 's/\.45/\.100/g' =i $file;done
15:23 <@_NSAKEY> I don't remember exactly what I told the guy, but I'm pretty sure it involved telling him to go fuck the business end of a metal rake.
15:23 <@oddball> ummm... isn't one of the things that you're supposed to be able to do is fucking adapt to the situation at hand?
15:23 <@Mirage> If you're not using sed, awk, and grep then you're doing it wrong.
15:23 <@Mirage> =)
15:24 <@Mirage> oddball: no, no...beat it into submission or bend it to your will.
15:24 <@Catonic> sadistic MFers use cut
15:24 <@oddball> Well, sometimes adapting to the situation is getting a bigger hammer.
15:25 <@Mirage> cut can be useful in the right situation..just like $(<string>:<num>:<num>) with bash
15:26 <@Catonic> while true ; do numb ; done
15:28 <@_NSAKEY> oddball: I'd settle for a Brooklyn Smasher.
15:29 <@oddball> heh
15:30 <@Catonic> the reason why I stopped drinking is because every time I think about work, I want a pan-galatic gargleblaster... or six.
15:30 <@_NSAKEY> Catonic: I use cut regularly, but not for anything too intensive.
15:30 <@_NSAKEY> Mostly for stripping hashes from hashcat outfiles so that I'm left with just the passwords.
15:31 <@Catonic> conductive grease sounds like the best way to start a fire....
15:32 <@_NSAKEY> It's actually the best tool for that exact job that I've found.
15:33 <@_NSAKEY> Let's say I have 5baa61e4c9b93f3f0682250b6cf8331b7ee68fd8:password in a file.
15:33 <@_NSAKEY> Using awk to print the last column works, but so does cut -c42-.
15:33 <@_NSAKEY> If I've got pass:word as the found password, awk is going to butcher that in some way.
15:35 <@_NSAKEY> Catonic: Did you make it out to PhreakNIC this year? I know you said you were working on it at the last minute.
15:38 <@Catonic> Yeah. We even talked.
15:38 <@Catonic> you were somewhere around 48 hours of unsleep
15:38 <@_NSAKEY> Which day?
15:39 <@_NSAKEY> I didn't go that hard. 27 hours was my max, and that was Sunday.
15:39 <@Catonic> by sunday at least. I was there by friday late
15:39 <@_NSAKEY> I was usually up before most people and went to bed once things winded down, so that probably gave the impression that I didn't sleep at all.
15:40 <@_NSAKEY> Saturday/Sunday was a different story though. I didn't sleep at all.
15:40 <@_NSAKEY> The only reason I do that is because I work the graveyard shift, and had to get back on that schedule again after a week of daywalking.
15:42 <@_NSAKEY> This year was pretty low-key on that front, compared to last year. Last year, I was so caffeinated that any insect that landed on me would have instantly died.
15:43 <@Catonic> yeah, I milled around a bit until the closing ceremonies. My badge was "different".
15:44 <@_NSAKEY> Do you remember what we talked about?
15:44 <@Catonic> not really.
15:46 <@Catonic> I remember asking about the ethernet switch or something and you told me it was a BenCo Production of TheMeekIndustries
15:46 <@_NSAKEY> Wow, I must have been out of it. I don't remember that.
15:46 <@_NSAKEY> It's entirely possible that I was in a total black-out state.
15:46 <@Catonic> I remember looking out at all the laptops wondering why one of them couldn't be the quake server, until I realized the RPis were an island
15:47 <@_NSAKEY> Yeah, the pi set-up was pretty cool.
15:47 <@Catonic> I've seen penguins steal sanity, I think you were at that point.
15:47 <@_NSAKEY> I actually floated the idea of running a vanilla quake server instead of Unreal Tournament, and Ben pushed back on that.
15:47 <@_NSAKEY> Quake's too twitchy for his taste.
15:47 <@Catonic> I wonder what the maximum storage capacity of a PDP-8 is...
15:48 <@_NSAKEY> And yeah, I was probably at the point of insanity by the time you talked to me, if we talked on Sunday.
15:48 <@Catonic> This year was a first for me... I had the FOV as wide as possible and twitched myself from one side of the room to the other and got motion sickness
15:48 <@_NSAKEY> In UT2004?
15:49 <@Catonic> I remember talking to LB around 1 or 2 and suddenly my stomach flipped over and it was time to go to bed
15:49 <@Catonic> Nah, Quake 3 Arena
15:49 <@Catonic> I went and got my trackball 'cause I don't use a mouse no more.
15:50 <@_NSAKEY> I actually e-mailed Ben about the possibility of adding other games, but haven't heard back. He's probably pretending none of us exist until at least December, and I don't blame him.
15:50 <@Catonic> Dee Crypt utterly cleaned the map with me a few times.
15:50 <@Catonic> lol, yeah...that's how I feel sometimes.
15:52 <@Catonic> "Made it to the end of $event_horizon, time to forget it all exists for a few weeks."
15:53 <@Catonic> I eschewed UT because of the resource hog nature of initial UT, and a need to manage my time.
15:56 <@_NSAKEY> I avoided it this year because I was too deep into how the sausage was made.
16:01 <@Catonic> word.
16:03 <@_NSAKEY> I probably would have insisted on naming all the bots variations of benthemeek just so I could cope.
16:04 < aestetix> https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/a-woman-approached-the-post-with-dramatic--and-false--tale-about-roy-moore-sje-appears-to-be-part-of-undercover-sting-operation/2017/11/27/0c2e335a-cfb6-11e7-9d3a-bcbe2af58c3a_story.html
16:04 < PigBot> Title: A woman approached The Post with dramatic — and false — tale about Roy Moore. She appears to be part of undercover sting operation. - The Washington Post (at www.washingtonpost.com) http://tinyurl.com/ycqsrhz7
16:07 <@Catonic> Y'all... He is just a typical Alabama politician -- as long as someone somewhere has some dirt on him, they will support him running for office, so they can exert that leverage.
16:08 <@Mirage> I think ThinkGeek needs to scale back on the fucking emails about Cyber Monday.
16:11 <@oddball> But then how would you know that they have stuff you should buy!
16:48 <@dasunt> Phone people - quick problem.
16:48 <@dasunt> I can dial some numbers in an area code just fine from our phone system.
16:49 <@dasunt> Other numbers in the same area code result in a busy signal and the phone displaying "invalid".
16:49 <@dasunt> Ideas?
16:53 <@Mirage> qualify that..these other "invalid" numbers are known good, normally working numbers?
16:55 <@dasunt> Yes.
16:55 <@dasunt> I can connect via cell phone just fine.
17:01 <@dasunt> I'm assuming there's something wrong with our phone system, but I'm not sure what it is.
17:30 < aestetix> oh I see why WAPO wrote that story
17:30 < aestetix> James O'Keffe just dropped a video expose on the washington post
17:31 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf_Wcnyaak8
17:31 < PigBot> Title: BREAKING: Undercover Video Exposes Washington Post’s Hidden Agenda #AmericanPravda - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/yc4zbfte
17:55 <@Dagmar> They win a free downvote
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19:19 <@Dagmar> Why anyone listens to those lying asshats is anyone's guess
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