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10:02 <@Catonic> Corydon76: I dunno man, there's like... other societial issues that have changed since then.
10:03 <@Catonic> It's entirely possible that turning a blind eye toward the gay community has enabled a number of willfully or unintentionally creepy things to happen.
10:04 <@Catonic> There's less of that today, which is why Draper is getting called out on it. OTOH, I've been told that DEFCON is now very PC itself
10:05 <@Catonic> I think I saw him first at HOPE or DEFCON and someone not entirely too discreetly informed me of his proclivities.
10:05 < aestetix> Catonic: there's another part of this to consider.
10:05 < aestetix> Althugh I'm not sure if it applies to JD
10:06 < aestetix> It does apply to Jake. One of the reasons the Jake drama happened is because when he moved to Berlin, he apparently started getting into heavy drinking and drugs
10:06 < aestetix> Which in turn apparently made his antics which used to be borderline but still generally accepted, into crossing the line
10:07 <@Catonic> The line between genius and insanity....
10:08 < aestetix> No, not that line ;)
10:08 < aestetix> But also with JD... I've heard rumors for years but never actually experienced or known of any actual problems.
10:08 < aestetix> And now we have actual allegations with substance to them.
10:11 <@Catonic> People gonna people. We can't expect that things that hetero people do won't happen in other communities.
10:11 < aestetix> The nice thing about rumors is that you can decide they aren't true. Allegations with specifics are different.
10:11 <@Catonic> True.
10:15 < aestetix> Catonic: on a different note, will I see you in Germany next month?
10:17 <@Catonic> Not unless the TSA ceases to exist or I expatriate.
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10:19 < aestetix> lol
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11:30 <@_NSAKEY> aestetix: What's interesting is that shirts joking about Draper were printed well before all of this.
11:30 <@_NSAKEY> I saw one at PhreakNIC this year.
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12:13 <@rattle> Jake already had a pretty fucked up cloud around him before Berlin.  Few in SF have anything good to say about him.
12:14 <@rattle> He was apparently so aggressive at parties at that s&m dungeon castle whatever the fuck place that they banned him from there for life.
12:21 <@rattle> One of the most annoying things about Jake, is that he had this army of pseudo-dissidents around him that would attack anyone who so much as disagreed with him.
12:21 <@rattle> Like, you could disagree politely with someone he said on Twitter, and suddenly you'd be assaulted by like eight people.
12:23 <@rattle> *something
12:46 < aestetix> yep
12:47 < aestetix> rattle: I personally witnessed this several times
12:47 < aestetix> He even tried to use it on me once or twice
12:47 < aestetix> Thankfully my troll powers were stronger than his minions
12:48 < aestetix> But in SF, it was on the line, but not over it.
12:56 <@rattle> Either way, I'm glad he's no longer around.
12:56 <@rattle> What happened to him anyway?
12:56 < aestetix> The last I heard he's working on a Phd in cryptography
12:56 < aestetix> Which makes anyone who knows him laugh really hard
12:57 < aestetix> I don't know if he's in Berlin anymore. But he's definitely not in the US
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