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05:07 < aestetix> Dickie: did you move to Hollywood?
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06:46 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:47  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
06:48 <@Catonic> GOOOOD MORNING #SE2600!!!!!!
06:48 <@Dolemite> Whoa, whoa, whoa.   Hold on, now.   Let's not force your opinion on everybody else.
06:48 <@Dolemite> It's morning.   That's about as much as we can agree on.
06:49 <@Catonic> "What are you, the fucking weather man?"
06:50 <@Catonic> one of my coworks is cheery in the morning... I wanted to say that to him, but remembering it made me smile...
06:50 <@Catonic> dour countenance broken.
06:52 <@Dolemite> I am the gatekeeper.   Are you the key master?
06:52 <@Catonic> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwATvALiQ_8
06:52 < PigBot`> Title: We Were Soldiers - Sgt Major Plumley - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/plq2w4o
06:53 <@Catonic> nsfw, language, military humor
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07:43 <@Corydon76> Happy birthday, Dolemite
07:58 <@Dickie> aestetix: I ain't molestin' nobody
08:16 <@Dolemite> Thanks, Corydon76
08:16 <@Corydon76> Dickie: yeah, yeah, we all heard about you and how you grabbed that chicken
08:22 <@Dolemite> I heard there was choking involved
08:25 < xray> Catonic: Thank you, that made me smile. Remembered Robin Williams and I volunteered during Vietnam.
08:26 <@Dickie> It's all true.
08:26 <@Dickie> https://i.imgur.com/kJewHpU.jpg
08:26 < xray> That is one of those pictures that was taken when someone was saying "look away children, look away"
08:27 < xray> or he just caught a chicken that got loose
08:44 <@Corydon76> Dickie has this thing for loose chickens
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09:30 < xray> any of you heard of Quad9 DNS service https://www.quad9.net/
09:30 < PigBot`> Couldn't snarf url: [Errno 101] Network is unreachable. http://tinyurl.com/ybmo5w36
09:31 <@Corydon76> Yeah, Decius just posted it on Facebook
09:31 < xray> goog, bad?
09:31 <@Corydon76> https://securityintelligence.com/new-quad9-dns-service-makes-the-internet-safer-and-more-private/
09:32 < PigBot`> Title: New Quad9 DNS Service Makes the Internet Safer and More Private (at securityintelligence.com) http://tinyurl.com/y8rjgfoq
09:32 < xray> I know some DNS researchers and it looks like some things they were doing
09:32 < xray> thanks reading that now
09:32 < xray> I run a Pi-Hole now.
09:33 < xray> this might be an easier service to support
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09:37 < xray> I sent an email to one of the researchers, we'll see what he says.
10:03 <@oddball> I was actually just about to try setting up a pi-hole.  Work fairly well?
10:03 < xray> yes
10:03 < xray> easy to setup
10:04 < xray> well, I guess that depends on your skill level
10:04 < xray> how comfortable are you with setting up a Pi
10:05 < xray> I recommend installing Raspbian Stretch Lite https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/
10:05 < PigBot`> Title: Download Raspbian for Raspberry Pi (at www.raspberrypi.org) http://tinyurl.com/ogmvusq
10:05 <@oddball> oh, and there is a script to install it on a pre-existing install.
10:05 < xray> add any additional packages you want
10:05 < xray> and then run the Pi Hole install script
10:06 < xray> point your machine at it
10:06 <@Dickie> PI HOLE
10:06  * Dickie snickers
10:06 < xray> LoL
10:06 < xray> so Beavis and Butthead of you
10:06 <@Dickie> I like how you don't capitalize the o because it's a preposition. This guy grammars.
10:06 <@oddball> meh, I already have the full version of Rasbian Stretch running.  Of course, right now, it's primary use is to run music through my stereo.
10:06 < dfused> I think Dickie wants to install a "script" on/in your Pi hole.....
10:07 <@Dickie> BASH
10:07 < dfused> KSH
10:08 < xray> BASH BASH KSH . . . BASH BASH KSH . . . BASH BASH KSH . . .  BASH BASH KSH . . .
10:08  * Dickie flips the lights on and off
10:08 < xray> isn't that the opening of a song from Queen
10:08 < xray> We are the Champions
10:09 < xray> Nope that's not it
10:09 <@Corydon76> We Will Rock You
10:09 < xray> Yeah that's the one
10:10 < xray> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tJYN-eG1zk
10:10 < PigBot`> Title: Queen - We Will Rock You (Official Video) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/nbyxz2j
10:10 < xray> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hi8IWqic0U
10:10 < PigBot`> Title: A KNIGHTS TALE We Will Rock You the movies intro - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/knyerhs
10:10 < xray> Awesome movie
10:11 <@oddball> hmmm... I think I'll wait until I can dig up a small cat5 patch cable.  The iddea of running a DNS server over wifi makes me... twitchy.
10:11 < xray> Agreed
10:12 <@oddball> Oh, question, since you've actually been running it.  I don't suppose running a pi-hole fools the sites that check for ad blockers?
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10:13 < xray> it depends on how the site is coded
10:13 < xray> If they can detect that I didn't load code from another site
10:14  * oddball nods
10:14 < xray> they may not know why but there is no way work around dns not returning an IP
10:14 < xray> well it does just 127.0.0.1
10:14 < xray> well actually I think it returns a page on the Pi-Hole
10:15 < xray> so the page loads fast
10:15 < xray> You can mod the page it returns
10:15 < xray> for blocked sites
10:16 < xray> you can also manually white list and black list sites
10:16 < xray> and it gives you metrics
10:16 <@oddball> nice.  I've noticed that some pages have been loading slowly because the ad blocker is working overtime.
10:17 < aestetix> rip al franken
10:17 < aestetix> at least his career
10:17 <@oddball> And when the "ads blocked" reads over 200....
10:17 < xray> what ad blocker are you using
10:17 <@oddball> What did he do?  Did he dig up some dirt on Hillary?
10:17 <@oddball> Oh... wait... then he would have had a tragic accident and found dead.
10:18 <@shapr> my abs are blocked
10:18 <@shapr> BY FAT
10:19 < xray> I use EFF Privacy Badger and uBlock Origin
10:19 <@oddball> shapr: It's extra padding/armor!
10:19 < aestetix> oddball: check twitter trending for his name
10:19 < aestetix> I'll be shocked if he's not forced to resign
10:20 <@oddball> xray: I'm still using AddBlock on most of my machines.  I'm trying to remember the name of the one that I installed on my new desktop.
10:21 <@oddball> Ah, he's the latest to get hit with sexual assault accusations?
10:21 < aestetix> yep
10:21 < aestetix> but there's a juicy photo to go along with it
10:22 <@oddball> Oh really?
10:22 < aestetix> yep
10:22 < xray> http://www.kabc.com/2017/11/16/leeann-tweeden-on-senator-al-franken/
10:22 < PigBot`> Title: Senator Al Franken Kissed and Groped Me Without My Consent, And There’s Nothing Funny About It | KABC-AM (at www.kabc.com) http://tinyurl.com/ya977luj
10:22 <@Catonic> I'm still waiting for everyone to disclose on a site-by-site basis why so many other domains and javascripts are needed to view a single page, site, or domain.
10:23 <@oddball> but, honestly, I'd be surprised if anything happens to him besides having to make a public apology and "seeking therapy."
10:23 < xray> rule of thumb: If you would do it with your wife but not your sister or mother then it's not appropriate for anyone your not married to
10:23 <@oddball> Catonic: ad revenue and trackng for targetted ads.
10:25 <@Catonic> Yeah, that just makes me hate IT and want out.
10:26 < xray> Heard back from the DNS researcher.
10:26 <@Catonic> DNS over wifi as a DDoS suprresion vector?
10:26 <@Catonic> *suppression. Jeez, a few beers and next thing you know you can't speel.
10:26 < xray> He said that  Quad9 is legit but their service is still rough around the edges but they are off to a good start.
10:27 <@Catonic> translation: "Dude, you found the one thing we don't do well, but here's a line of BS so you don't rage quit because we couldn't deliver the services we said we could."
10:28  * Catonic yells at things to evacuate a small parcel of grass-covered land.
10:28 < xray> No, the DNS researcher is not affiliated with Quad9.
10:28 <@Catonic> lol
10:28 < xray> If it sucked he would tell me straight up.
10:28 <@Catonic> that's good.
10:30 <@oddball> aestetix: So... the picture in that story?  Pretty sure that's one of those things that no one would even blink at in Hollywood.  Of course, he's now a senator, where they all do it, but aren't supposed to get caught.
10:30  * Catonic tries to find something to be positive about instead of constantly opposing things like an errant electron
10:31 <@oddball> Hell, I wouldn't be real surprised if there were similar pictures from early PNs.
10:31 < xray> Al Franken was at PN?
10:32 <@Catonic> Not that I know of.
10:32  * Catonic flips back onto his head, break is over
10:32 <@oddball> No no... as in "drunk idiots doing similar things."
10:32 <@Corydon76> There are photos of tricks of perspective, like the one purportedly showing Dagmar and jonnyx kissing
10:32 < xray> I realize, just being not funny.
10:33 <@Corydon76> There's one that appears to show me giving a hickey to timball, but my mouth never touched his neck.  It was also intended to be funny
10:34 <@oddball> Of course, all parties were also awake and (mostly) coherent.
10:34 < aestetix> oddball: no one blinks if you're part of the in-crowd
10:34 < aestetix> Imagine if that photo were Jeff Sessions
10:34 <@oddball> yep
10:34 < aestetix> or..... uh.... one of the republicans in Hollywood....
10:34 < aestetix> I'm sure they exist...
10:35 <@oddball> The handful that have actually admitted to it in public?
10:35 <@Corydon76> Like Bruce Willis, Arnold Schwartzneggar, or Chuck Norris?
10:35 < aestetix> yeah
10:35 <@Corydon76> We already have Arnold on having admitted to having a child with his maid
10:36 < aestetix> I can't think of anyone
10:37 < xray> People used to moderate their behavior because God is always watching. Then they stopped believing in God. Now they have to learn that cameras are everywhere and that they are being watched by the public. God forgives, The public? Not so much.
10:38 < xray> especially given the whims of PC
10:38 <@Corydon76> xray: the problem is when people come to depend upon God forgiving, and so they don't change their behavior
10:38 < xray> what is OK one day is not the next and the Internet never forgets
10:39 < dfused> lol....forgives you so hard he wiped out whole cities and on one occasion the entire earth...
10:39 <@Corydon76> How many Catholic priests went on to abuse dozens more, after they were caught and "forgiven"?
10:39 < dfused> ALL HAIL CTHULU
10:39 < xray> That is a mis-characterization and a straw man argument
10:40 <@oddball> xray: Nah, people just didn't talk about it, and there wasn't nearly the amount of evidence floating around.
10:40 < xray> Forgiveness depends on repentance
10:40 < dfused> ffs
10:40 < xray> The point is that a portion of the population attempted to moderate their behavior
10:41 <@Corydon76> xray: the problem is that there are people who are only sorry that they got caught
10:41 < xray> now, not so much
10:41 <@oddball> Hell, Pres. Johnson was known for having the secret service hire prostitutes for him when he was traveling.
10:41 < xray> Corydon76: this is true but that is not repentance
10:41 <@Corydon76> xray: I'm sorry, but if you believe that people in the past actually moderated their behavior when they got caught, I have a bridge to sell you
10:41 < xray> back to the point
10:42 < xray> everything you say and do now is recorded for posterity on the Internet
10:42 <@Corydon76> They got better at not getting caught
10:42 < xray> you now really do have a permanent record
10:42 < xray> and everyone can see it
10:43 < xray> So now if your a politician at a rally and you kiss a baby proffered by a Mom it's OK
10:43 <@Corydon76> Which is also why I tend not to put inner thoughts on the Internet
10:43 < xray> but later when the PC winds blow a different way that picture will come back to haunt you
10:44 < aestetix> PC is a bit more like the old testament god
10:44 <@Corydon76> If Roy Moore was only kissing babies, he would not be in trouble now
10:44 < xray> Rule of thumb: Never send anything over the Internet you don't want on the front page of the local paper for your Mom to read
10:45 < xray> Corydon76: You seem to be into baiting today rather than debating?
10:45 <@Corydon76> xray: yeah, that doesn't work so well for guys in the closet
10:45 < xray> what doesn't
10:45 <@Corydon76> Not transmitting what you don't want your mother to see
10:46 < xray> I must be missing something
10:46 <@Corydon76> There's a reason why gay porn is more popular in red states, and it's not because there are more gay people there
10:46 <@Corydon76> It's because they're repressed
10:47 <@Dolemite> I always VPN to a system in a red state before watching pr0n
10:47 < xray> I'm talking about privacy, security and how the Internet clashes with the whims of the mob and how to best manage data in that environment. What are you talking about?
10:47 <@Dolemite> Oh, you mean actual residents of the red states.  Gotcha.
10:47 <@oddball> There's also a *lot* of things that were tolerated, if not seen as perfectly acceptable, years ago that would now get you arrested/fired/front page news/etc.
10:47 <@Corydon76> Dolemite: if you're admitting that you look at gay porn, I have a new perspective of you
10:47 < xray> Also that we are being held hostage by the mob
10:48 < xray> oddball: yes
10:48 < xray> I get students requesting pages be taken down because they are trying to get job and don't want it to show up on a search
10:49 <@Dolemite> I've seen it.  That's not quite the same as seeking it out to view it.  I'm pretty sure it was gay pr0n being shown outside the Airport Days Inn at PN3ish?
10:49 <@Corydon76> oddball: agreed, though I think a bit of that was also due to ensuring that your local town didn't go completely to pieces over something like that
10:49 < xray> When i talk to students about OPSEC they think I'm a dinosaur from the Cold Wars (which I Am) and that there is nothing to learn from it and that it isn't important
10:49 <@_NSAKEY> Dolemite: Is this the story where airport police showed up because porn was being projected on a wall outside, and planes that were landing could see it?
10:49 < xray> that is until they try to get a job and then that attitude comes back to bite them
10:50 <@oddball> yep
10:50 <@Corydon76> The local pastor who diddles children quietly disappears and his remains are found in an unmarked grave, rather than exposing him and dealing with the fallout
10:50 <@Dolemite> _NSAKEY: It my first PN and I was an attendee, so I am not quite in the know on all of that.  I mainly remember the police showing up because the tards in masks showed up with weapons.
10:50 <@oddball> Hell, there was that girl that got the Miss America crown stripped from her for pictures of her basically having fun at a bar with her friends.
10:51 < xray> oddball: that's a good example
10:52 <@_NSAKEY> Dolemite: This sounds like a more interesting story than the one I heard.
10:52 < xray> Someone took a photo of Phelps (the swimmer) taking a bong hit at a party
10:52 < xray> and posted it
10:52 <@oddball> When I actually saw the pictures that were causing the outrage, I was shocked... that there was outrage.
10:52 < xray> That is what I mean by being held hostage by the mob.
10:53 < xray> Sometimes outrage is called for but often it isn't
10:53 <@Corydon76> America still has Puritanical values
10:53 < dfused> da
10:53 < xray> Have you watched TV lately, I don't think it supports your premise
10:54 <@Corydon76> TV has been slowly chipping away at that
10:54 < dfused> the society is constantly trying to push against those limiting walls
10:54 <@Corydon76> But it hasn't gotten to everything.
10:55 <@Corydon76> Remember the Star Trek episode that they would not show in the South, because it showed a white guy and a black woman kissing?
10:55 < dfused> I mean... people still freaking the hell out about a woman breastfeeding in public.
10:55 < xray> so you would consider what I said earlier: "rule of thumb: If you would do it with your wife but not your sister or mother then it's not appropriate for anyone your not married to" to be puritanical?
10:56 < dfused> naw... I definately wouldnt breastfeed with my sister.
10:56 <@Corydon76> xray: Puritanical values would have you not do anything with your wife that you wouldn't do with your sister
10:56 < xray> and in the same breath have a problem with Al Franken's behavior
10:56 < xray> Corydon76: that is not true and is a mis-representation
10:57 < xray> Have you not read the Song of Solomon
10:57 <@Corydon76> xray: at least, not in public
10:57 < xray> that I agree with
10:57 < xray> there is some behavior that is private
10:58 <@Corydon76> I have indeed read Song of Solomon.  I would question how often that was read (or acknowledged) in 1600s Massachusetts
10:59 < xray> I wouldn't know I wasn't there
11:00 < xray> Not to mention, every one who professes a belief actually follows those beliefs
11:00 < dfused> wha? no books were ever ignored from the bible. they were all read and all included...never were any ignored or removed... or.. -sigh-... n/m... time to go get drunk
11:00 < xray> Just because you hang out in the garage a lot doesn't make you a Buik
11:01 < dfused> ewww....
11:01 < xray> or is it Buick
11:01 <@Dolemite> Buick
11:01 < dfused> its Buick
11:01 < dfused> but still ....EWWWWW
11:01 < xray> Meaning you can test if someone is what they claim to be
11:01 < dfused> mebbe a bmw or something nifty
11:01 <@Dolemite> I miss my Buick :(
11:01 < xray> if they fail it doesn't mean the source is not correct it just means they failed
11:02 < xray> failure on our part to discern that is our fault not the sources
11:03 < xray> so If a person calls themselves a mathematician but says they believe that 2 + 2 = 5 for very large  values of 2 I question their assertion that  they are a mathematician not that math is bogus
11:04 < dfused> fuck it man.... shits just too srs
11:05 < xray> it should be
11:05 < xray> srs
11:05 < dfused> and most "logical" convos these days are more wrapped around "Hey look at me, look at how smart I am, dammit recognize how smart I am" than a true stoic , logical, attempt at resolution of issues.
11:06 < xray> agreed
11:06 < xray> in hacking you have root or you don't
11:07 < xray> wailing, flailing, just waists valuable hacking time
11:07 < dfused> no no no.... dont come at me with I agree that things need to be logical and include religion as a reality ...other than that it is somethign that exists in our society...
11:07 < xray> lack of logic waist hacking time
11:07 < xray> I didn't say
11:07 < xray> that
11:08 < xray> I can read the book and see what it says people who believe it will profess and do
11:08 < xray> and can tell if they are doing that or not
11:08 < xray> and if they aren't that means it is a false profession
11:08 < dfused> if you want to use it from simply a poitn of view that religion is a part of our society then fine... but if trying to use it itself as logic cause a book says so... yeah, I'm out. there's no logic in beleiving that a bunch of words in a book are "word of god"
11:08 < xray> no need to mis-characterize what the book says
11:09 < dfused> ok... yeah, looking at it as a tool to better understand that certain segment of people.. sure.. I can see that
11:11 < dfused> I shoulda irished up my coffee this morning.  I'm on PTO this week dammit.
11:12 < xray> What is PTO?
11:12 <@Corydon76> paid time off
11:12 < xray> ah
11:12 < xray> so vacation or comp time?
11:12 <@Corydon76> Some companies force you to take it, thinking that it makes their employees more productive
11:13 < aestetix> how the hell is the Al Franken story not on CNN or NY Time
11:13 < xray> Bias?
11:13 < aestetix> oh wait there it is
11:13 < aestetix> fifth story on the left sidebar
11:13 < xray> They limit the max amount of vacation I can accumulate.
11:13 < aestetix> for the times
11:13 < dfused> xray: in my company, we build up time throughout the year and from the days that build up, we can roll some over to next year, but the rest we either use it or lose it.  so.... I'm burning the hell out of mine.
11:14 < xray> I'm at the max so I have to take all the vacation days I get every year now or lose it
11:14 <@Corydon76> aestetix: they save space for those with multiple accusers
11:14 <@Corydon76> Because multiple accusers means a pattern of conduct
11:14 < xray> that's not unreasonable
11:14 < aestetix> I see nothing on CNN yet
11:14 < xray> We also get more time the longer we are here
11:14 <@Corydon76> xray: yeah, that's our company's policy, too:  use it or lose it
11:15 < xray> so I get a lot I have to take every year
11:15 < xray> oh poor me :)
11:15 < dfused> its awful
11:15 < xray> 1st world problem
11:15 <@Evilpig> I hate being forced to take time off
11:15 <@Corydon76> We're capped at 12 days a year
11:15 <@Evilpig> it's shitty just staying at home because they said I have to take time off
11:15 <@Corydon76> And that counts for vacation and sick time
11:16 <@Corydon76> It sucked last year, when I was out of PTO right after I had my surgery
11:16 < xray> our sick time is separate from vacation time
11:16 < xray> they do not have a limit on accruing sick time
11:16 <@Corydon76> I had to ask for the privilege of "borrowing" from 2017's PTO, in case I needed it
11:18 <@Corydon76> Given that I work from home, the only reason not to work due to sickness is complete inability
11:18 <@Corydon76> I'm not going to infect anybody else by going to my desk
11:18 < xray> Nuts http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-internet/fcc-plans-to-vote-to-overturn-u-s-net-neutrality-rules-in-december-sources-idUSKBN1DG00H
11:18 < PigBot`> Title: FCC plans to vote to overturn U.S. net neutrality rules in December: sources | Reuters (at www.reuters.com) http://tinyurl.com/yapmd58k
11:18 < dfused> yeah... saem here.  50% wfh - 50% travel... so if I'm at home... its practically pto anyway
11:19 < dfused> but I try to make up for it ...ehn I'm truly logging time at PTO.... I turn off the damn work laptop.
12:02 <@oddball> I've had a few sick days where I told my boss the next day to remove it from my tally because I ended up working from home between my home machine and phone.
12:03 < xray> I have a few things I work on that do not have a backup so I have to keep an eye on them even when I'm on vacation
12:04 < xray> I have had some serious issues that have forced me to telecommute and they have had not heartburn over it so I consider it a great tradeoff
12:04 < xray> They do not normally allow full time tellecommute
12:37 < dfused> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOxi3dyXkAAan3P.jpg:large
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14:22 < K`Tetch> xray - they were always going to vote to overturn net neutrality
14:22 < K`Tetch> that was never in doubt, the thing about the comment submission was...
14:22 < K`Tetch> they have to show it's not a capricious decision based on no evidence
14:23 < K`Tetch> so int he inevitable lawsuit, people will just point to the many many comments submitted pointing out its need, and destroying the claims made to repeal it
14:23 <@Dagmar> ...or they'll just throw flaming bottles of kerosene.
14:39 <@Mirage> Dolemite/Dagmar/NL/Pig: New contact at a customer is named "Matthew Davis" and for some reason whenever I see an email from "Davis, Matthew" my brain immediately jumps to "Dave Matthews"
14:49 < K`Tetch> crash into him!
14:50 <@Dagmar> Heh
14:58 <@Dagmar> That's deeply annoying that the dratted F1d0 token I have still refuses to work under Linux
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15:33 < dfused> for all that intelligence, you'd think yoda would be be better at speaking
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17:14 < aestetix> I love jews
17:14 < aestetix> they are SO GOOD at finding deals
17:14 < aestetix> I just got a tip for a great hotel price
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