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06:38 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:48  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
06:48  * Dolemite files a sexual assault claim
06:49 <@Dolemite> via twitter
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09:10 <@shapr> well that was fun
09:10 <@shapr> xray: you missed a fun con, I hope you're doing better next year
09:16 <@_NSAKEY> shapr: It was.
09:17 <@_NSAKEY> I recovered a lot faster this year than I did last year, but I also wasn't filled with enough caffeine to kill any insects that happened to land on me.
09:18 <@shapr> I'm not even hungover!
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09:34 <@Corydon76> I do agree with a suggestion I've heard elsewhere that if we could set up registration on a wheeled cart and bring it in and out in advance, the whole process would run smoother
09:34 <@Corydon76> Maybe we'll do that next year.
09:35 <@_NSAKEY> Corydon76: I had a similar suggestion re: Setting up the con network. Just put all the core stuff in a rack on wheels, then plant table switches where needed.
09:36 <@Corydon76> Maybe I'll build such a cart for next year.
09:37 <@_NSAKEY> Registration on wheels sounds like an objectively good idea though.
09:38 <@Corydon76> Getting rid of the registers and going entirely to Square registers would also be a good idea.
09:55 <@Dolemite> I like the idea of having a rolling kegerator much better
09:55 <@Dolemite> with Lithium Ion power source for consistently cool brew
09:55 <@Dolemite> :)
09:56 <@Corydon76> I object to having a fire hazard that close to a good alcoholic beverage.
09:57 <@Corydon76> We'll just go with hydrogen fuel-cell, instead.  :D
10:02 <@Dolemite> Properly manufactured Lithium Ion cells are quite safe
10:40 <@dasunt> We have a socialist running for city council.
10:41 <@dasunt> Her platform seems to be livable wage, affordable housing, and taxing the rich.
10:41 <@dasunt> Literally, her supports, while canvassing, often wear red T-shirts that simply says "Tax the Rich".
10:43 <@Corydon76> And how exactly are they going to do that that will not drive white flight?
10:45 <@dasunt> I think there already is enough white flight where she's from where she doesn't have to worry.
10:46 <@dasunt> I'm more interested in the very blatent "tax the rich" message.  How far are we from more radical ideas of reducing wealth inequity.
11:09 <@dasunt> Huh, are those small mini-projectors any good?
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11:26 <@Corydon76> The miniprojectors typically work well in dark rooms
11:27 <@Corydon76> But they typically don't put out enough lumens to counteract brightly lit rooms
11:28 <@Corydon76> General rule is that you need 1000 lumens for dark family rooms, 2000 lumens for conference rooms, 3000 lumens for lit conference rooms, and they go up from there.
11:30 <@Corydon76> The projector used in the laser grafitti project was 7000 lumens, and that was sufficient for projecting against a building at night, competing against city lights.
11:32 <@Corydon76> Of course, that also depends upon the vendor's lumen rating being accurate, and they're motivated to overinflate that number.
11:41 < K`Tetch> and other thigns not dropping it - certain lighting types can suffer voltage sag dimming things, dirty lenses etc
11:50 <@dasunt> Sounds like a PITA.
11:51 < aestetix> dasunt: you mean "tax on the successful"
11:51 < aestetix> since people who were born into wealth often spend it all over the place
11:51 < aestetix> which if you think about it is good for local businesses
11:53 <@dasunt> aestetix: I disagree.  If wealth was limited to the successful, then class of children should not correlate with the class of their parents.
11:53 < aestetix> dasunt: well consider that most family busineses move out of the family in 3 generations
11:54 < aestetix> and family wealth typically lasts that long too
11:54 < aestetix> unless your name is Rockefeller
11:54 <@dasunt> If we had a system where the child of poor parents were just as likely to be wealthy as the child of rich parents, I'd be a lot happier.
11:54 < aestetix> I've seen quite a lot of rich kids end up poor too
11:55 < aestetix> especially the ones that get into drugs
11:55 <@dasunt> Sure.  It can happen.  But is it as likely?
11:55 < k3ymkr> i have to ask how socialism = livable wage and affordable housing
11:56 < dc0de[m]> “Democracy used to be a good thing, but now it has gotten into the wrong hands.” - Jessie Helms
11:58 < aestetix> I prefer the churchill quote
11:58 <@dasunt> k3ymkr: I was assuming some sort of democratic socialism, where livable wage and affordable housing would be right up their ally, but this party is a Troskyist party(!).
11:58 < aestetix> "Democracy is the worst political system ever invented, except for all the rest of them"
11:58 <@dasunt> Btw, catch that last new episode of the Orville?  The one with the Facebook-style likes running a society?
11:58 < aestetix> like Black Mirror?
11:58 <@dasunt> I haven't seen the BLack Mirror episode.
11:58 <@Dolemite> That was 2 episodes ago
11:58 < aestetix> I've never seen Orville
11:58 < aestetix> but I've heard a lot about it recently
11:59 <@dasunt> aestetix: This was an entire society without laws, without leaders.  Just the tendency to mentally readjust people if they became too unpopular.
11:59 <@Dolemite> It's turning out to be really good.   Started off as a smartass version of Star Trek and has leaned more towards Star Trek and away from the smart ass parts, but not completely.
11:59 < k3ymkr> Don't get me wrong.  I can see socialism attempting to solve affordable housing or livable wages, but it doesn't make you a socialist to ask for that.
11:59 < aestetix> dasunt: don't spoil it
11:59 < aestetix> k3ymkr: socialism works at the local level. by which I mean the family level
11:59 < k3ymkr> i mean....if you work 40 hours a week, you should be able to support yourself and have a house
12:00 <@dasunt> aestetix: I'm not going to really discuss what happens in the episode, since they don't really explore the concept.  But in theory, the whole mob rule thing is democracy.
12:00 < k3ymkr> Socialism just works.  It may not be the best system, but it is a viable one
12:00 < k3ymkr> Communism is a pipe dream
12:01 <@dasunt> Heck, mob rule may be purest form of democracy out there.
12:02 < k3ymkr> I saw a great quote that was 'Communism works on paper...unless that paper is a history book'
12:02 <@dasunt> Also, I'll note, mob rule tends to be limited in almost every functioning state.
12:03 <@dasunt> In short, since the Athenians, we tend not to allow direct democracy as a political system.
12:08 <@dasunt> k3ymkr: But what about <insert niche form of communism>?
12:47 <@dasunt> Jebus, it's going to be 13F as a low in Minneapolis on Thursday.
12:48 < dc0de[m]> It was 58F this morning in SFV, Cali.
12:48 <@Dolemite> Well.   That's probably seasonally appropriate.
12:49 <@dasunt> 13F isn't seasonally appropriate.
12:49 <@Dolemite> I didn't say average
12:49 < dc0de[m]> Neither is fifty eight
12:49 <@Dolemite> But it *is* late Fall, and Minneapolis *is* pretty far North.
12:49 <@dasunt> I'm kind of getting sick of running 10 degrees lower than average for highs and lows.
12:50 <@dasunt> 40 - 45F is a lot nicer than 30-35F for a high.
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12:51 <@Dolemite> It's no unusual for us to have lows below freezing in late October/early November, so for several hundred miles further north, I'd expect 20F difference.
12:51 <@Dolemite> s/no/not
12:51 <@dasunt> It sucks though, I'd still like to do one last yard cleanup.
12:52 <@dasunt> Huh, looks like for the extended forecast, next week will have highs in the 40s.
12:53 <@Dolemite> There you go.   It'll melt all that Canada Precip.
12:53 <@dasunt> Canadians are sending us their bad weather.  Maybe we can build a wall.
13:08 < dfused> teh great northern wall....winter is coming.
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13:28 < DrArkaneX> how was PN, i missed it, wasn't able to get a ride
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16:16 <@shapr> DrArkaneX: it was FUN
16:16 <@shapr> I got drunk and taught kids how to do cartwheels
16:19  * dasunt notes that shapr is no longer allowed around children or within 500' of a school.
16:20 <@shapr> nah, the kid tried to find me on Sunday and ask for more lessons, but I'd already left to go see my momma
16:20 < oddball> shapr: It's always fun to see someone of your shape doing cartwheels
16:21 <@shapr> oddball: you're about the same shape, yeah?
16:21 <@shapr> oddball: you're the guy with the kilt, I think?
16:21 < oddball> yep
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16:21 <@shapr> I think we're about the same shape?
16:21 <@oddball> pretty much
16:21 <@shapr> Lots of people are surprised the first time they see me do a cartwheel.
16:22 <@oddball> And I'll happily do rolls at full speed, but cartwheels?  Not so much.
16:22 <@shapr> Amy was certainly a bit shocked
16:22 <@oddball> hehehehe
16:22 <@shapr> Is it because I'm not shaped like a gymnast?
16:22 <@oddball> yeah.
16:23 <@shapr> I guess 260 pounds of cartwheel can be scary.
16:23 <@oddball> We've got a guy in our TKD class that shaped about like us, but a good bit shorter.  He's awesome at areal kicks.
16:25 <@shapr> I used to do capoeira, I was always the widest person in the class
16:25 <@shapr> but I also did some of the best cartwheels :-P
16:25 < aestetix> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15635102
16:25 < PigBot> Title: PoC||GTFO 0x16 [pdf] | Hacker News (at news.ycombinator.com) http://tinyurl.com/y9rhgmwc
16:25 <@shapr> I thought about bringing my mountain unicycle to this phreaknic, but I figured someone would get hurt on the concrete.
16:26 <@oddball> Yeah,probably a good iddea
16:32 <@oddball> I should probably finish unpacking the car at some point.
16:33 <@shapr> I unpacked as soon as I arrived, I know it won't happen at all if I don't do it RIGHT NOW.
16:33 <@shapr> My two timeframes are "now" and "probably never"
16:33 <@oddball> I brought in the perishable stuff.
16:33 <@oddball> Oh, and my laptops.
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17:01 <@Catonic> shapr: there's wisdom in that and time management skills
17:04 <@dasunt> shapr: You unicycle?
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18:02 <@ezelkow1> damn, now i face a conundrum
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18:03 <@ezelkow1> ive been sasquatc4 on irc for 21 years, but i have to do actual OSS work on freenode and it would make life much easier to use my github name
18:03 <@ezelkow1> sumnabitch
18:23 < DrArkane1> shapr: hahaha
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18:34 <@oddball> ezelkow1: Maybe run 2 different connections for the different channels?
18:51 <@ezelkow1> yea was thinkin bout it, but ehh, i use it so rarely anymore anyway, ill just give in and switch nicks
18:51 <@ezelkow1> workin on this now, http://trafficserver.apache.org/, and gettin paid to do it :)
18:51 < PigBot> Couldn't snarf url: HTTP Error 404: Not Found. http://tinyurl.com/y9mtlom8
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