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02:02 < aestetix> anyone wanna take bets on who the next hollywood star to fall will be?
02:02 < DrArkaneX> mel gibson
02:04 < aestetix> didn't he already spend a decade in purgatory?
02:04 < DrArkaneX> another 50+ questionable sexual orientation male
02:05 < DrArkaneX> and def OJ, if he doesn't slow down is gonna end up back in the pokey
02:05 < aestetix> I'm still hoping the kevin spacey stuff isn't true, because I'm a huge fan of his
02:05 < aestetix> and in the current climate, this will destroy his career
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06:29 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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07:19 < k3ymkr> Morning
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08:27 <@Catonic> What is ping? /Haddaway
08:28 < dfused> I"ll take "Things that are banned on networks for silly reasons." for $100, Alex
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08:43 <@Catonic> nmap and look for packets that aren't. Oh no you ICMP didn't
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08:46 <@Catonic> I noticed the other day that google is only returning 92 or 96 bytes of pings over 100 bytes.
08:47 < dfused> so they nibble a few bytes off each one... some ppl get peckish...
08:50 <@Dolemite> It's Superman 2 all over again.   Just pull a few bytes off of each transaction, and eventually, you're rich!
08:53 < dfused> Superman II .... 1980.   ......fuck.
08:53 <@Catonic> Superman 2... Office Space....
08:54 <@Corydon76> Provided you don't mess up the decimal point
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09:38 < k3ymkr> Anyone got contact infor for anyone who is responsible for PN registration?
09:39 < k3ymkr> Be nice if there was an email on the website.
09:40 < k3ymkr> dfused: This protocol generally functions on udp, but can fail over to tcp
09:40 < k3ymkr> That's the $200 I think
09:45 < k3ymkr> Now that I read it, it's too vague.  I suck at writing jeopardy questions.
09:45 < k3ymkr> answers?
09:52 < dfused> not me... Im struggling today to even put pants on correct. migraine, doing company evals, end of month breakdown sheets... and an upstairs neighbor who stomps and gets up at 0230-0330 in the morning. ....
09:53 < dfused> mebbe like DNS?  dns fwdr does udp right?
09:54 <@dasunt> VPN.  :p
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10:07 <@Mirage> woohoo....latest ffmpeg actually detects CUDA hwaccel for my card now.  Faster re-encoding here I come
10:07 <@_NSAKEY> Mirage: You just triggered me.
10:08 <@Mirage> ?
10:08 <@_NSAKEY> CUDA.
10:08 <@_NSAKEY> In 2015, I was finding bugs in hashcat's CUDA version just by looking at it the wrong way. If CUDA had a slogan, it would be "Race conditions as a feature."
10:09 < dc0de[m]> CUDA ALL THE HE THINGS!
10:09 < dc0de[m]> Damn tiny keyboards
10:09 <@_NSAKEY> It didn't stop until atom mercy killed the CUDA version and doubled down on OpenCL.
10:10 <@Mirage> I've been using h264_nvenc for awhile to encode, but had never been able to get cuvid/cuda hwaccel to enable for decode to speed things up a bit more.
10:12 <@_NSAKEY> If it doesn't break hilariously for you, then +1, but I lost all ability to trust anything CUDA-related almost 3 years ago.
10:14 < k3ymkr> Yeah, I was thinking DNS
10:15 < k3ymkr> people will block tcp/53 cause they aren't thinking
10:19 < dfused> @_NSAKEY: ..do you have any links to a passowrd calc. Looking to find out possiblities given exactly 14 char, 1 special, 1 number, 1 capital ...the catch is the EXACTLY 14 chars...no more, no less.
10:20 < dfused> I keep finding cals which are all about possibilities if "up to" X chars.
10:20 < dfused> s/cals/calcs
10:21 <@dasunt> dfused: Use math?
10:22 < dfused> because I cannot htink very well at the moment you ass.   migraines do bad things to brain.
10:23 <@dasunt> :(
10:23 < dfused> you insensitive clod
10:25 <@Dolemite> dfused: Not only is he an insensitive clod, but I hear that dasunt also killed Kenny
10:25 <@Corydon76> Jane, you ignorant slut
10:26 < dfused> shut the fuck up Donny.
10:26  * dasunt is evil.
10:28 <@Corydon76> So you have 11 lowercase, so 26^11 * 10 * 26 * (number of special characters)
10:28 <@Corydon76> What's that, 32 possible special characters?
10:28 < k3ymkr> And that would be in that order
10:29 < k3ymkr> Oh no.  NM
10:29 <@_NSAKEY> dfused: I don't, but most people aren't bruting the 14 character keyspace, even for competitions.
10:29 <@Corydon76> But that's the maximum.  You also have to subtract out the possibility of repeated lowercase characters
10:30 < k3ymkr> He didn't say that  you couldn't
10:30 <@Corydon76> But then the question also is whether you have *exactly* one capital, number, and special character, or *at least* that number
10:30 < k3ymkr> Yes
10:30 < k3ymkr> I was wondering that
10:31 <@_NSAKEY> Dumps with special requirements are always fun.
10:31 < k3ymkr> Cause then it's (26 * 10 * 26 * (number of  special characters)
10:31 < dfused> I just cant imagine that with a limit of 14 chars exactly itd be that difficult to crack.... but I'm soooo very much not a passwd cracking person.  so WTFDIK
10:31 < k3ymkr> ^11
10:31 < k3ymkr> ^14
10:31 <@_NSAKEY> When people have no restrictions, they tend to default to loweralpha and loweralphanum.
10:31 <@Corydon76> And that's why 14-character passwords are going to take you a shitton of time to brute force
10:31 < k3ymkr> Yeah, you're going to need some serious HW
10:31 <@_NSAKEY> That's why most people don't brute force.
10:32 <@_NSAKEY> Brute forcing is for people who don't know any better, unless it's for a competition or cops trying to crack something.
10:32 <@Corydon76> Or one hell of a giant rainbow table
10:32 < dfused> so even with a limit of one special, one number, one cap ...and a limit of exactly 14 chars.... it'll still take forever to crack?
10:32 <@_NSAKEY> Rainbow tables = Obsolete
10:32 < k3ymkr> Best to run a dictionary against it. If that doesn't work...yeah
10:32 <@_NSAKEY> Nobody doing even semi-serious work in that space does anything but laugh when rainbow tables are mentioned.
10:32 < k3ymkr> I'm thinking the index of that RT would be amazing
10:32 <@_NSAKEY> k3ymkr: Dictionaries + rules.
10:33 <@_NSAKEY> You can find a lot of stuff from breaches on hashes.org, and that will take you a long way.
10:33 < k3ymkr> Yeah, I was assuming that was inferred.  Sorry
10:33 <@_NSAKEY> k3ymkr: I felt the need to clarify because such obsolete techniques as rainbow tables got mentioned.
10:34 <@Corydon76> Assuming a fairly large salt is used, yes, they're obsolete.
10:34 <@_NSAKEY> Anyway, hashes.org was kind of nice before, but got way more useful after linkedin.
10:34 <@Corydon76> Unfortunately, that's not always the case
10:34 < k3ymkr> Salt or minimum characters
10:34 <@_NSAKEY> Nobody uses rainbow tables these days.
10:34 < k3ymkr> That's not true.
10:34 <@Corydon76> It helped enormously when languages started creating core functions to encrypt passwords
10:34 < k3ymkr> But I'll grant they're not as useful
10:35 < k3ymkr> I know people still generating them.
10:35 <@Corydon76> Then the core can implement obscenely large salts
10:35 <@_NSAKEY> k3ymkr: That makes me a little sad.
10:35 <@Corydon76> Upgrade the encryption module, and you get even more secure password storage
10:36 <@_NSAKEY> LinkedIn's breach going into the wild really changed a lot of things.
10:36 <@_NSAKEY> It was one of those events that makes you go back and check old uncracked stuff with the shiny new dictionary, just to see how much is found.
10:39 < k3ymkr> https://infocon.org/rainbow%20tables/
10:39 <@_NSAKEY> The Troy Hunt SHA1 list from a few months back was similar, though there was a ton of garbage in that. E-mail addresses, etc.
10:39 < PigBot> Title: InfoCon Collection: Hacking Conference Audio and Video Archive (at infocon.org) http://tinyurl.com/ybhk9quu
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10:40 < k3ymkr> I know they just recently added a NTLM table there
10:41 <@_NSAKEY> Fun fact about NTLM: It's a unit of measurement for cracking cluster speeds.
10:41 <@_NSAKEY> Team Hashcat brought 3.4 Th/s to CMYIC this year... And that was measured using NTLM.
10:51 <@shapr> terahashes?
10:54 <@_NSAKEY> Yup.
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10:55 <@_NSAKEY> I also got to talk with Minga towards the end of Derby this year, and got a peek inside his head re: How he designs the competitions. That was fun.
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11:19 < xray> https://vimeo.com/189016018
11:19 < PigBot> Title: NOTHING TO HIDE - The documentary about surveillance and you on Vimeo (at vimeo.com) http://tinyurl.com/y7ynad3m
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11:55 <@Mirage> dfused: keepass has a built-in password generator that you can specify all sort of options/limits for generation.
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12:07 <@Catonic> What is admission this year?
12:09 <@_NSAKEY> Catonic: Should be $40
12:09 <@_NSAKEY> Since you're already rushing everything else at the last minute, you might as well be a walk-up purchase.
12:09 <@Catonic> jeeesus
12:10 <@_NSAKEY> Would have been 30 if you had gotten it sooner.
12:10 <@Catonic> With any luck, the dealership will not do the oil change right and I'll get a new engine out of it
12:10 <@Catonic> _NSAKEY: define "sooner"
12:10 <@_NSAKEY> I don't know the date, but there's a cutoff for early registration that usually happens late September/early October.
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12:43 <@dasunt> I should go to PN again, it's been about 10 years.
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13:02 <@dasunt> When a CL ad claims a competitive price but doesn't want to say what it is, I'm skeptical.
13:11 < oddball> Catonic: If it make you feel any better, I can't think of a convention of any sort that charges less than $40 for the weekend anymore.  Most charge more.
13:12 < oddball> Honestly, PN should be charging than it does in hopes of recovering the cost of running the con, much less hoping to move to a larger/better venue.
13:13 < oddball> Of course, that would also require folks to pay significantly more than the less than $100/night hotel rooms that we currently have.
13:13 <@Dolemite> It's a balancing act/compromise
13:14 <@Dolemite> Remain affordable, but be limited by what you can produce with volunteers
13:14 < oddball> yep
13:18 < oddball> But, like I said, just about all of the scifi cons I go to, which are completley volunteer run, charge $50-60 at the door now, and the hotel rooms are more expensive.
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13:20 <@Dolemite> oddball: Don't several of those cons pay for some guest rooms/travel?
13:21 < oddball> Typically the guest of honor, maybe a couple of the other "named" guests.
13:22 <@Dolemite> Yeah, so I consider that not to be 100% volunteer, because while not an honorarium, it's still some form of payment.  But I'm being strictly pedantic.
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13:23 < oddball> If you want to be pedantic, I said "volunteer run."  The guests aren't running the event. :p
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13:24 <@Dolemite> Well they're running part of the content
13:24 <@Dolemite> Anyway, that's why those others need to charge a little more - to offset the costs for the very few guests of honor that have some expenses picked up
13:25 <@oddball> Not really, when you balance it out by the fact that those cons are typically multiple times the size of PN.
13:25 <@Dolemite> Larger space == more $$$$
13:26 <@oddball> not per person.  Trust me.  I've done the math *very* recently.
13:26 <@Dolemite> I don't understand what we're disagreeing about.
13:27 <@Dolemite> Are we disagreeing?
13:27 <@Dolemite> Are we agreeing?
13:27 <@Dolemite> What page am I on?
13:39 <@Mirage> Anyone tried the Lithium Jump Starter packs?   Are they worth a shit?
13:39 <@Dolemite> Mirage: I use one to power my CPAP when I go camping.
13:41 <@Mirage> Have you tried to jump a car?
13:41 <@Dolemite> I've jumped the lawnmower with it
13:42 <@Mirage> I've had shit luck on any of the 'normal' ones working more than a year except my first one which has now finally died, so I'm looking into replacements/
13:42 < dfused> but no ataching to the nipples?
13:42 <@Dolemite> dfused: scrotum works better
13:42 < dfused> hmm...
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13:54 <@Mirage> Gonna give this one a shot: https://www.amazon.com/NOCO-GB40-UltraSafe-Lithium-Starter/dp/B015TKPT1A
13:54 < PigBot> Title: Amazon.com: NOCO Genius Boost Sport GB20 400 Amp 12V UltraSafe Lithium Jump Starter: Automotive (at www.amazon.com) http://tinyurl.com/yc6bvbgo
13:55 < DrArkaneX> any guests of honors had any weird requests?
13:56 < DrArkaneX> like no green M&Ms
13:56 < dfused> ur mom.
13:56 < DrArkaneX> lol
13:57 <@Dolemite> https://www.amazon.com/GOOLOO-18000mAh-Starter-Portable-Protection/dp/B01HPCB2FW/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1509476268&sr=8-4&keywords=gooloo+jump+starter
13:58 < PigBot> Title: Amazon.com: GOOLOO 800A Peak 18000mAh Car Jump Starter (Up to 7.0L Gas or 5.5L Diesel Engine) Portable Power Pack Auto Battery Booster Phone Charger Built-in LED Light and Smart Protection: Automotive (at www.amazon.com) http://tinyurl.com/y7umaytc
13:58 <@Dolemite> That's the one I have
14:01 <@Mirage> I linked the wrong one..it should have been the 1000 vs the 4650
14:01 <@Mirage> er, 10000 vs 4650
14:01 <@Mirage> lol..
14:02 <@Mirage> "
14:02 <@Mirage> This product fits this position on your 1986 Nissan 300ZX:
14:02 <@Mirage> Front
14:02 <@Mirage> Notes: ULTRA CARTRIDGE, NOTICE: THE LEVEL OF DIFFICULTY TO INSTALL THIS PRODUCT IS MODERATELY HIGH, PLEASE REVIEW THE INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS CAREFULLY BEFORE PROCEEDING
14:02 <@Mirage> Moderately high..  yeah...
14:03 <@Mirage> Dolemite: Almost got all the maintenance all caught up on the wife's replacement Zcar.
14:04 <@Mirage> Brakes are a little weird and it's an aftermarket rebuilt master cylinder, so I'm just gonna replace it..and while I'm at it get the front struts done too.
14:05 <@Mirage> It was less fun doing the timing belt in my own garage vs doing it in yours, though.
14:05 <@Mirage> Oh, and Clark said hi.
14:05 <@Dolemite> Clark's is more fun than either of ours
14:06 <@Mirage> I really need a garage bg enough to install a lift in.
14:08 <@dasunt> I still need a propane direct-vent furnace.
14:08 <@Mirage> Just won't make the mistake my uncle did..he got one, installed, it, then used it once and it broke through the slab floor in the garage.  So then he had to use the backhoe arm (minus bucket) on his tractor to lift and drag it out, then hire someone to come cut out sections of the slab and pour in thicker reinforced concrete to mount it on.
14:08 <@shapr> er, wow
14:09 <@shapr> I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers.
14:09 <@dasunt> Mirage: Let me guess, he didn't pour a new foundation under the life?
14:09 <@Mirage> He just assumed it would hold...didn't even think about it.
14:10 <@oddball> Didn't think about the extra weight of car + lift?
14:10 <@Mirage> correct
14:20 <@Mirage> wtf.."GOOLOO 300PSI Tire Inflator Premium Electric 12v DC Portable Auto Air Compressor Pump for Car, Truck"
14:20 <@Mirage> 300PSI?!?!
14:21 <@Mirage> IMO anything specifically designed to inflate tires should be limited to max 50PSI (maybe)
14:21 <@dasunt> Ain't semi tires around 80 psi?
14:22 <@dasunt> Huh, guess 100 psi.
14:22 <@Mirage> I guess mine does up to 100psi.. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0714FM73K/ref=dp_sp_detail?psc=1
14:23 < PigBot> Title: Amazon.com: Hippih Auto Store Premium Digital Tire Portable Auto Air Compressor.With Carry Inflatable Needle Digital-007: Automotive (at www.amazon.com) http://tinyurl.com/yd88o88a
14:23 <@dasunt> My bicycle pump does more than 100 psi, but it's a bicycle pump and narrow road tires have high pressure.
14:23 <@Mirage> Since the spare in a Zcar is deflated it's kind of important o have one handy.
14:24 <@Mirage> That and it's nearly impossible to get a replaement for the air canisters from Nissan
14:25 < DrArkaneX> friend of mine had a lift installed, he just cut out where the lift egs were going to be , dug down about 3 feet, filled full of concrete and rebar and didn't cost an arm an a leg.. :)
14:26 < DrArkaneX> he was def. not going to mount that thing on 4 inch concrete... :)
14:32 <@Catonic> yeah, structural applications tend to call for not insignificant earth works
14:33 <@Catonic> a 12" per-side self-supporting tower, 70 lbs a section, 10' sections -- is expected to be bolted to a square yard of concrete
14:33 <@Catonic> 50 ft tall, sorry left that out
14:43 < DrArkaneX> my dad's 1957 cameo made an appearance on Powerblock, he's let me drive it once.  I remember sanding all the rust off that thing and putting a new lid on the cab.. http://powerblocktv.com/post/general-motors-rare-cameo-makes-powerblock-appearance
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15:06 <@shapr> DrArkaneX: that's nifty
15:23 <@Catonic> _NSAKEY: it's not that I intended to do anything last minute, but the pieces fell into place so...
15:23 <@_NSAKEY> Catonic: I was joking about that.
15:24 <@_NSAKEY> But, walk-up tickets should be possible to get.
15:24 <@_NSAKEY> If not, then I guess lobbycon can be a thing.
15:25 <@shapr> talk schedule is completely full some people were turned away
15:26 <@shapr> so I doubt I'll be able to give a talk on building a firefly IR sync conference badge with Adafruit's Circuit Playground Express
15:26 <@_NSAKEY> Yeah, that isn't surprising. The way Ben talked, that was easier than other years.
15:26 <@_NSAKEY> shapr: There may be a last-minute need to fill in a slot.
15:26 <@shapr> ooh, I hope so
15:26 <@_NSAKEY> I did a filler talk one year with 90 minutes worth of advance notice.
15:26 <@shapr> I can do that
15:27 <@shapr> I'm already doing the Python workshop on Friday at 5
15:27 <@shapr> ben said that's dinner time so the crowd might be small
15:27  * shapr shrugs
15:27 <@shapr> I teach Python twice a week at work
15:27 <@_NSAKEY> This year, I've been laser-focused on making the network great again.
15:29 <@_NSAKEY> I'm really curious to see how mog and brimstone's password game goes.
15:29 <@brimstone> me too!
15:29 <@brimstone> co-workers really liked the dry-run
15:29 <@_NSAKEY> Debating whether I want to weigh in on that or simply kick off an arms race between contestants then sit back and laugh.
15:30 <@shapr> _NSAKEY: you want in on this game
15:30 <@shapr> got the most laughs we've had in months
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15:31 <@_NSAKEY> If what I remember of the description is correct, I'd probably have an edge that other people don't.
15:31 <@_NSAKEY> But if there's comedy, I'll at least sit back and watch.
15:31 <@_NSAKEY> If my network intern isn't busy doing something else, I'll at least jump in and observe.
15:32 <@_NSAKEY> I've been testing gear and updating stuff since yesterday.
15:33 <@_NSAKEY> At this point, there's some last-minute testing and turd polishing re: the CTF VMs, then I can roll the con PXE images and call it done.
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15:48 <@Mirage> _NSAKEY: PhreakNIC firewall == OpenBSD firewall, squid/squidGuard, fun (don't forget the fun, that's the best part)
15:50 <@Mirage> Here're some good redirect targets: http://virtual-addiction.com/online-pornography-test/, http://www.allthetests.com/quiz31/quiz/1412095288/Are-you-a-porn-addict
15:50 < PigBot> Couldn't snarf url: HTTP Error 404: Not Found. http://tinyurl.com/yafxurtw
15:55 <@Catonic> IPX? Appletalk?
15:56 <@Catonic> TCP/IP over Ethernet Type II?!
15:56 <@Mirage> I'm looking at an archive of the pn0x0b firewall right now that could be good for reference.  Porn redirects, memstreams hijack, pbdownrange hijack, google logo replacement, myspace image replacements, cleartext password grab for wall of shame
15:56 <@Mirage> Catonic: no, i think that was 8/9 that I did IPX/SPX and Appletalk
15:56 <@Catonic> memestrames
15:57 <@Catonic> mamestreams
15:57 <@Mirage> hrm, apparently pn0x0b was one of the years I didn't do IPv6.  Strange
15:58 <@Catonic> Oh yeah... if you make the subnet large enough, you _can_ use the .0 and .255 address.
15:59 <@Catonic> I remember when there was talk of compatibility layers between IPv6 and IPv4.
15:59 <@brimstone> that's my favorite, being the .0 on a network
16:00 <@Mirage> Yes, remember I had to blacklist those and change the default gateway for the supernets at PN7 because all the Windows hosts refused to talk to .0 and wouldn't communicate on the network if they got a .255
16:01 <@Mirage> The windows hosts also wouldn't go out to the internet using the 169.254.0.0/16 range
16:01 <@Mirage> or talk to the other subnets
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16:07 < aestetix> well that was interesting
16:07 < aestetix> I just got back from Wittenberg
16:12 <@Catonic> What's there?
16:12 < aestetix> Catonic: ever heard of Martin Luther?
16:12 < aestetix> And the protestant reformation?
16:15 < DrArkaneX> aestetix: i watched a docu on that.. so interesting
16:16 < aestetix> today is the 500 year anniversary
16:16 < aestetix> there was a big event, so I figured I'd go check it out
16:17 <@Catonic> ah
16:20 < DrArkaneX> that's sweet... i'd love to go overseas and see soe of those things..
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16:28 < aestetix> DrArkaneX: let's just say Wittenberg has *way* more historical significance than I thought.
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16:40 <@Catonic> roman gate?
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16:57 < dfused> too soon
17:54 <@Catonic> man, today has been utterly mindnumbing
17:57 < dfused> put the bong down
18:05 < DrArkaneX> aestetix: i bet it does, you should do a personal write up of your experience, i'd love to read it
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19:15 <@Catonic> oh, I wish.
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20:36 <@_NSAKEY> Mirage: I'm still airgapping all the things. Since we're having a bunch of laptops running PXE images of Kali... I'm just going to avoid that antiforensics nightmare entirely.
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