--- Log opened Fri Oct 27 00:00:13 2017 01:28 -!- K`Tetch [~no@24-178-141-147.dhcp.thtn.ga.charter.com] has joined #se2600 01:28 -!- K`Tetch [~no@24-178-141-147.dhcp.thtn.ga.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 01:28 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has joined #se2600 01:30 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@24-178-141-147.dhcp.thtn.ga.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:54 -!- k3ymkr [~KeyMaker@ec2-52-6-16-39.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:01 -!- k3ymkr [~KeyMaker@ec2-52-6-16-39.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #se2600 03:11 -!- remoford [~remo_lapt@c-69-137-84-154.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:54 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, boo-yatches and h0ez! 06:59 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@24-178-141-147.dhcp.thtn.ga.charter.com] has joined #se2600 07:02 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:17 < k3ymkr> Howdy, Dolemite 07:17 <@Dolemite> What's shakin'? 07:17 * aestetix hugs Dolemite 07:18 < k3ymkr> KSU's reputation as a good tech school? 07:19 < k3ymkr> too soon? 07:32 <@Dolemite> Excellent hygiene. Constantly wiping. 08:10 < k3ymkr> Even the backups. Only way to be sure. 08:34 < aestetix> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41780116 08:34 < PigBot> Title: Catalan parliament declares independence from Spain - BBC News (at www.bbc.com) http://tinyurl.com/ydawtwde 08:35 <@opticron> wow, that's sure to be interesting 08:36 < aestetix> one of my colleagues is from barcelona 08:36 < aestetix> he is really happy right now 08:45 <@Corydon76> Given Spain's resistance and their likelihood to clamp down on the Catalonian region, I'm not sure why he'd be happy 09:13 <@Corydon76> It's likely about to turn violent. 09:21 -!- remoford [~remo_lapt@c-69-137-84-154.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 09:40 <@rattle> I don't think that's going to end well for anyone. 09:40 -!- remoford [~remo_lapt@c-69-137-84-154.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:45 < dfused> well at least Spain will provide some entertainment for once 09:46 < K`Tetch_> it's not going to end well for the catalan independence people 09:46 < K`Tetch_> they've got nothing 09:46 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:f053:5e29:b0ab:4772] has joined #se2600 09:46 < K`Tetch_> no legal basis for the claim, no international recognition 09:47 < aestetix> rattle: agreed 09:47 <@Corydon76> They have their rights under the Spanish constitution, which is the only thing that prevents them from being disappeared 09:47 < K`Tetch_> the same constitution that says the referendum vote was illigitimate 09:47 < aestetix> I mean I have major issues with the EU. But I live here, and I kind of like the sort of peace it's in. 09:48 < dfused> there is a spanish inquisition joke in here somewhere... but I'm too tired. 09:49 <@Corydon76> Nobody inquires about the Spanish expectation. 09:49 < dfused> heh...its a start 09:49 < aestetix> NOBODY expects the catalonian referendum! 09:50 < K`Tetch_> NOBODY Respects the catalonian referendum! 09:50 < aestetix> yeah because the EU has so much respect right now 09:50 < K`Tetch_> it does, maybe not from you and your circle, but ina wider field, yes 09:50 < aestetix> You mean like the UK? 09:51 <@Corydon76> Nobody in Catalonia respects the Spanish constitution. 09:51 < aestetix> Also, did you miss where I just said I like the EU? 09:51 < K`Tetch_> you might quite like i, but you don't respect it 09:51 < aestetix> I have major issues with it, but I don't want it to collapse 09:52 < K`Tetch_> its a lot more work than many think, and a 'greand ignorance' of it and how it works is typical most places 09:53 < aestetix> I'm not a fan of needless bureaucracy, and I'm not a fan of representation increasingly meaning nothing 09:53 < K`Tetch_> (I admit I was ignorant of it, even after growing up in it, right upunil 08, when I then had to lead a multi-country EUroParl campaign 09:53 < aestetix> case in point: the democratic party of the US 09:55 < aestetix> so K`Tetch_ what do you think is the chance that Spain uses violence (again) to suppress Catalon? 09:56 < K`Tetch_> do you mean police powers? 09:56 < K`Tetch_> police powers is high 09:56 < aestetix> Call it what you want. Videos of police beating the shit out of old women trying to vote. 09:56 < K`Tetch_> catalans push it to physical actions, medium-high 10:00 < aestetix> I mean what can spain actually do? 10:01 < aestetix> It doesn't seem like there are any good options. If they send in spanish police to occupy catalonia, not only is that expensive, but it will create the mood that they are an occupying force 10:02 <@Corydon76> I think it's far more likely that they'll seek to arrest the Catalonian leaders 10:02 <@Corydon76> Not sure what they'll charge them with, as I'm not familiar with Spanish law 10:02 <@Corydon76> But likely something along the lines of treason 10:03 <@Corydon76> And they'll probably be imprisoned on the opposite end of the country 10:03 < dfused> sedition I suppose 10:04 < aestetix> I don't have a personal opinion on this because I don't know enough about it. But my colleague from Barcelona is very pro Catalunya, so I'm probably biased from that 10:06 <@Evilpig> looks like my comcast just took a giant shit again 10:16 < aestetix> https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32204484.pdf 10:16 < PigBot> Couldn't snarf url: [Errno 1] _ssl.c:492: error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure. http://tinyurl.com/y9rhtzgr 10:39 <@dasunt> Western democracies are voting themselves into all sorts of crazy lately, aren't they? 10:41 <@dasunt> So what's this Bush groping thing? 10:43 <@Evilpig> old man grabs butts. news at never 10:45 <@dasunt> Huh, thought he'd be smarter than that. 10:45 <@rhia> 90+ year old epitome of white male privilege in wheelchair grabs butts and cracks the same joke thinking that makes it all fine 10:46 <@dasunt> Has he had a stroke or something? 10:47 <@rhia> he's been so isolated and insulated for so many years he's still stuck in the 60's where "broads know it's harmless" 10:47 <@Evilpig> or he's 90+ and senile and is living back in the 60s 10:48 <@rhia> more like he's finally reached that age where being a dirty old man outweighs social constraint since he's "gonna die soon anyway" 10:48 <@dasunt> That's what I'm wondering - has he had brain damage? Because I don't recall any stories about him grabbing butts either as VP or as Prez. 10:48 <@Dolemite> Once you hit your 70s, your aim is way off 10:49 <@Dolemite> He was reaching to pull back her chair 10:49 <@rhia> possibly senile Sr doesn't bother me nearly as much as the current pussygrabber in chief 10:50 < dfused> @Dolemite how dare you have a sense of humor and defend this monster of a person...the 90+ year old man should be put into prison! 10:51 <@Dolemite> dfused: His body is his prison. How dare you question the intentions of an ex POTUS! 10:51 * rhia repeats her previous comment 10:51 < dfused> lol 10:54 < aestetix> I'm very glad I don't live in the US. 10:54 < dfused> I do find it intereseting that so many people choose NOW, when we have the least chance of our leaders providing soltuions, to ramp up the fight of social injustice 10:55 <@rhia> that's kinda the way it usually happens 10:55 < dfused> but I'm more irritated that the "solution" for our issues is to just put everyone in prison, cause that'll solve it 10:55 < aestetix> It's also to make the government do something. 10:57 <@rhia> dfused, that $olution coincide$ with the ri$e of for-profit pri$on$ 10:58 < aestetix> It would be nice to hear Americans shut up about what they don't like, and start discussing what they would like. 10:58 < aestetix> But I doubt that's going to happen. 10:58 < dfused> for profit ? nah, I mean just cause one of the largest conglomerate companies over prisons is now taking their retreat at a trump golf course.. compltely not related. 10:58 <@Dagmar> I'm still having to yell at people weekly for being dupes 10:58 <@rhia> dfused, exactly 10:59 < aestetix> yeah I'm not actually sure how private prisons are considered legal 10:59 <@Dagmar> I don't necessarily want to be yelling "THE GOV'T IS TRYING TO CONTROL YOU" but I'm sick of having to remind people that neo-nazi racists, statistically speaking, might as well not even exist 11:00 <@Dagmar> I can't think of a smaller problem to get divisive over 11:00 <@rhia> aestetix, most people don't wax poetic about their favorite flavor of icecream when someone is stomping on their toes with red-hot iron boots 11:00 < dfused> but right now I look around and see that most people are more concerned about things like filing charges on a 90+ year old man rather than praising things like this week the girl scouts are doing cybersecurity training in DC to help them learn the subject and hoepfully get more of them into the field 11:00 <@Dagmar> It's easier to control and manipulate the chronically confused and disorganized 11:01 < dfused> @rhia: I prefer vanilla fudge twirl ...breyers 11:01 <@rhia> dfused, most people or just most media? 11:01 < dfused> we who see through the media veil are not the majority. 11:01 <@rhia> dfused, Tillamook Butter Pecan 11:02 < dfused> the ones who think that that hotty on fox is the best news source....are the majority 11:02 <@rhia> actually, not -- Murdoch's news doesn't gather near the eyeballs of the old major network news 11:02 < dfused> the same jackasses who said they'd vote for that dipshit from alaska cause they thought she was hot... and ended up voting for the cheeto cause they thougt he doesnt take any shit from ppl 11:03 <@rhia> they love to crow about their cable numbers but conveniently ignore the broadcast channels that swamp them 11:04 < dfused> butter pecan... bleh. 11:04 <@rhia> more for me 11:04 < dfused> your ice cream opinion doesnt count...cause your a girl. 11:04 * dfused ruuuuuuuns like hell 11:05 * dfused just rememberd hes supposed to come see ya'll soon. ..... shit. mistakes have been made. 11:05 <@rhia> hehehehehehe -- you're now in the same state again - better keep running 11:05 <@rhia> the Canadian border isn't far from you 11:15 <@dasunt> dfused: Are you saying that if Bush is a groper, he *shouldn't* be charged? 11:16 < dfused> I'm saying that at his age... wtf are you gonna do? burn tax dollars on incarceration...and then all the $ required to take care of him once he's in there? 11:17 <@dasunt> So old men get a pass? 11:17 <@dasunt> At 90, it's groping time? 11:19 <@Dagmar> Statutes of limitations also provide protection against prosecution for something that happened so long ago it's no longer relevant to anything 11:19 <@dasunt> This was in 2016. 11:20 <@dasunt> Oh, 2016 for the second accusation. 2014 for the first one. 11:20 < dfused> yeah, we shoudl spend all our engery no vengeance. not in correcting this mentality, education.. just in punishment. cause if punishment is the only way to fix, then why is spanking kids so forwned upon? I mean, if thats the only way we will learn... 11:22 <@dasunt> I don't believe our justice system should rely on vengeance. OTOH, I don't see why laws shouldn't apply to the elderly as well. 11:36 < aestetix> rhia: that seems like a rather hyperbolic analogy to make. 11:36 < aestetix> Then again, I'm sick of the US's current guilty until proven innocence, feelings before facts crap. 11:38 < aestetix> The mood from the US currently seems so extreme that Germaine Greer sounds sane. That's hard to pull off. 11:38 < aestetix> Or Valerie Solanas, really. 11:45 <@Corydon76> dasunt: it's now 3 accusations 11:46 <@rhia> aestetix, hyperbolic for a reason - it's hard to over exaggerate the damage that is Trump 11:47 < aestetix> I completely disagree. 11:47 < aestetix> I haven't seen Trump do anything nearly as bad as invading Iraq. 11:47 <@rhia> oh, ffs 11:48 < aestetix> Keep in mind I hate Trump. 11:48 <@Corydon76> Presumption of innocence works fine in courtrooms, and for a single accusation in the public square. After about 3 accusations, though, you really have to wonder whether this might just be how he is accustomed to treating others. 11:48 <@rhia> just because Bush was an reactionary imperialist doesn't mean Trump's game of nuclear escalation with NKorea gets a pass 11:49 < aestetix> Something I apparently have to keep repeating. 11:49 < k3ymkr> I think you have a point, aestetix. In fact, Trump doesn't really seem to do anything more than make an ass out of himself on twitter. 11:49 < aestetix> Trump hasn't actually *done* anything horrible, as far as we know. 11:49 < aestetix> or at least, as far as I know. 11:49 < aestetix> Except for saying things that offend people in an age of hyper political correctness. 11:49 < k3ymkr> Well, we're pretty sure he raped a 13 year old 11:49 < k3ymkr> But that was before he was president. 11:49 <@rhia> and appoint white supremacists to the justice department 11:50 <@Corydon76> We're also pretty sure he just cut medical reimbursements that primarily benefitted the poor 11:50 <@Corydon76> And he put millions of DREAMers into legal limbo 11:50 < aestetix> And have they enacted white supremacist policies or judgements? 11:50 < k3ymkr> and made environmental changes that could have impact down the road. 11:50 <@rhia> the list of what Trump is doing in the background while the media pants over his tweets is ridiculously long - and bad 11:50 < dfused> we currently have the magic number in teh pacific to jump on NK. this was a maneuver which has been in progress for a couple mnths.... quietly. so... yeah, I'll just sit and wait to see if now that we have the force ready, if he'll pull the trigger. cause I'll bet he's arrogant enough to 11:51 <@Corydon76> And he ensured that gay people now face disrimination in hiring at the Justice Department 11:51 < aestetix> rhia: I hate the media too. 11:51 < aestetix> All of it. 11:51 <@Corydon76> "He hasn't really done anything bad" just isn't a credible statement 11:51 < aestetix> Just as much as I hate hollywood :) 11:52 <@rhia> Corydon76, precisely 11:52 < aestetix> Speaking of the media, did we ever find out about a motive from the Las Vegas shooter? 11:52 <@Corydon76> No, but that's on law enforcement to figure out 11:52 < k3ymkr> Well, that wasn't the statement. 11:52 <@Corydon76> Media is specifically excluded from a lot of the Vegas shooter evidence 11:52 < k3ymkr> aestetix: said "Horrible" and compared it to getting into a war. 11:53 < dfused> ...not to mention that since Trump thought the whole thing over there was a bad idea.... then why thehell are we still over there? 11:54 < aestetix> dfused: Obama said the same thing. 11:54 <@Corydon76> k3ymkr: By aestetix's standards, since Bush didn't actually shoot anybody in that war, it's a-okay 11:54 < k3ymkr> That's not fair. By his standards, Bush was worse than Trump because he put americans in an unjust/unprovoked war 11:55 < k3ymkr> He's never excused trump by extension 11:55 < k3ymkr> In this conversation :) 11:55 < k3ymkr> Now, if trump starts WWIII, sure...he wins 11:55 < k3ymkr> :) 11:55 <@Corydon76> If appointing white supremacists isn't bad until they do something bad, then starting a war is also okay, until it's proved that the soldiers killed the wrong people 11:56 < dfused> again.... my prev statement on what we currently have sitting in the pacific. we have moved all the pcs in place as of right now to make a move on NK. 11:56 < k3ymkr> Corydon76: That's fair 11:56 < aestetix> But yeah, this fake moral outrage coming from Hollywood and the media over Trump, and these idiot celebrities who claim they need therapy.... well, they could probably use the therapy anyways. 11:56 < k3ymkr> Sort of. I mean a war is killing people flat out 11:56 < k3ymkr> You could hire a white supremacist who never made a bad decision while in office. 11:57 < aestetix> Also, Americans are using words like "nazi" and "white supremacist" so much they have lost all meaning. 11:57 <@Corydon76> k3ymkr: you can have a war that kills nobody. It's not frequent, but it's possible 11:57 < aestetix> Everyone you don't like is a nazi. 11:57 < k3ymkr> Corydon76: OK. If that's wwIII then I'm OK with it 11:57 < aestetix> I still love how people are calling Ben Shapiro, an orthodox jew, a nazi. 11:57 < k3ymkr> aestetix: That's not exactly what's being said, that I've seen. 11:58 <@rhia> aestetix, don't ignore the difference between a powerful film mogul and the elected leader of the biggest military the world has ever seen (and supposedly "leader of the free world") 11:58 < k3ymkr> It maybe people are being called nazi's by association 11:58 < aestetix> k3ymkr: I have seen pictures of flyers that say exactly that. 11:58 < k3ymkr> "I don't like you, therefore you're a nazi? 11:58 < aestetix> rhia: I hate them both, but for different reasons. 11:58 < aestetix> k3ymkr: oh no. I mean I've seen flyers calling Ben Shapiro a nazi 11:58 < aestetix> As well as flyers calling Jordan Peterson a nazi 11:59 < aestetix> He posted them on his twitter the other day 11:59 < dfused> @rhia: and has done significant efforts to piss all parties willing to go to war with us.... as if taunting them to do so. 11:59 <@rhia> would you prefer the more pc term "racial separatist nationalists" ? 11:59 <@rhia> dfused, yep 11:59 < k3ymkr> Nazi is a bit of a confusing term, I'd say 11:59 < k3ymkr> It was a group of people in the 30s and 40s 11:59 < aestetix> rhia: Trump strikes me as a free market capitalist. I don't think he cares about who someone is as long as they make him money. 12:00 < k3ymkr> Now it's....people who act like them 12:00 < aestetix> At least, based on what I've seen. 12:00 < k3ymkr> And I'd say that's subjective. 12:00 < aestetix> Of course the fact that the only thing he cares about is money is an issue... but a different issue 12:00 < k3ymkr> I doubt anyone has the definition "Nazi" == "German who puts Jews in concentration camps" 12:01 < k3ymkr> O 12:01 <@rhia> because the tiki-torch bearers in Charlottesville (that Trump said had "some good people") were brownshirt nazis -- just in the new uniform of khakis and white izods 12:01 < k3ymkr> Depending on how you define it, I don't see that a jewish person couldn't be a nazi 12:01 < aestetix> anyways 12:01 < aestetix> I think Americans are way too obsessed with this crap 12:02 < k3ymkr> Well, we did get kind of involved a few decades back and made it personal 12:02 < aestetix> I do think if a huge fire broke out and Hollywood burned down, it would help a lot. 12:02 <@rhia> aestetix, Trump is a narcissistic megalomaniac - the far right religious and the insanely far right political kiss his ass - so he keeps doing things to make them cheer 12:02 < aestetix> rhia: completely agreed 12:03 < dfused> I think that beocmign overly obsessed with symantics is an easy way to create a fog to distract ppl from the fact that these ppl (call them what-the-fuck-ever) are violent, divisive, and a complete hazard to our success as a civilized society 12:03 <@rhia> but knowing why he supports them doesn't make his supporting them any better 12:03 < aestetix> dfused: and the moment they commit a crime, you can arrest them and send them to jail 12:04 <@rhia> and becoming overly obsessed with splitting hairs over semantics allows that fog to cover their dangerous beliefs and attitudes 12:05 < dfused> are all your opinions built on headlines? ... sometimes listening to you is like just hearing a high schooler who reads just the headlines and forms an opnion. 12:05 < aestetix> s/high schooler/facebook user/ 12:06 <@dasunt> Huh, in addition to 401ks, the Republicans are thinking about removing the state and local tax deduction from income taxes. 12:06 < dfused> bleh... facebook is just a cess pool... its worse than reddit. 12:06 < aestetix> That's impressive. 12:07 < dfused> @dasunt ?? link? 12:07 <@rhia> dasunt, and high tax state GOPpers are fighting back on it 12:07 <@dasunt> http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/26/news/economy/state-and-local-tax-deduction-tax-reform/index.html 12:07 < PigBot> Title: State and local tax deduction: Millions in middle class will feel it if GOP kills this tax break - Sep. 26, 2017 (at money.cnn.com) http://tinyurl.com/yaver37j 12:08 < dfused> you know... the bad part abotu ignoring all media outlets cause they are all toxic.. is I miss anything else that they may actually say thats true 12:09 <@dasunt> dfused: To be fair, reading about the proposed tax changes, it would make a lot more sense if this was all fake news designed to tarnish the Republican brand. 12:09 < dfused> oh jeezuz fuck. I mean, even the first thing that pops up is some video about how tax reform is soooo hard. 12:10 <@dasunt> That's what extensions are for. Autoplay is evil. 12:11 < dfused> ext are dangerous as well... unless you dont mining bitcoin for unknowns. 12:11 < dfused> -sigh- .. disappearing into the canadian mtns is looking better and better. ... cept how would I take care of dental. 12:12 <@dasunt> Pine sap. 12:12 <@dasunt> Just pack some pine sap into the cavity. It numbs the pain. 12:12 < dfused> lmao 12:12 <@dasunt> AFAIK, that's true. 12:15 <@rhia> dfused, just have all your teeth pulled and get 2 sets of full dentures made 12:17 < dfused> change nicks to gumby 12:18 < dfused> plus you have to worry about denture repairs. damn things are a pain. 12:18 < dfused> @dasunt I think you shoudl try it and let meknow 12:18 <@rhia> super glue and ducttape ;) 12:18 < dfused> hehe 12:23 <@dasunt> I like modern medical science. 12:34 -!- dfused [~dfused@c-24-19-29-152.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 12:34 <@shapr> YOW! 12:34 <@shapr> @yow 12:58 -!- DrArkaneX [~doc@unaffiliated/drarkanex] has joined #se2600 12:58 < DrArkaneX> Day 6 of my Gentoo install... lol 12:59 <@dasunt> Found someone on FB who thinks that bitcoin can never be in a bubble because of the algorithm. 13:04 <@dasunt> Not exactly sure if this guy knows even the basics of economics. 13:06 < DrArkaneX> a scan of his profile can easily figure that out 13:14 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:f053:5e29:b0ab:4772] has quit [] 13:16 <@Dagmar> It can very much be in a bubble. 13:16 <@Dagmar> Unfortunately a bubble is pretty much indistinguishable from the usual adoption rates of new technology until you're on the far side of the peak 13:22 < DrArkaneX> like the fed, the dollar is in a bubble.. what to do when it loses its value, print more money.. that will fix it! lol 13:23 < DrArkaneX> i think really the question here is finite or infinite. isn't there a limit on btc atm? 13:23 < DrArkaneX> and i've heard some strange chatter about btc2 (fork) 13:24 < DrArkaneX> basically, copy the btc blockchain and fork over 14:01 -!- dfused [~dfused@c-24-19-29-152.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 14:28 <@dasunt> There's a limit, bitcoin is designed to be deflationary. 14:30 <@Dagmar> There's been a bunch of noise about that, actually. 14:31 <@Dagmar> Bitcoin "Gold" is a fork that was basically a confidence game 14:31 <@Dagmar> There's an upcoming fork of Bitcoin itself that's going to resolve itself into a winner and a deprecated fork rather quickly 14:31 <@Dagmar> It all comes down to which side has more people signaling for or against Segwit2x 14:39 -!- DrArkaneX [~doc@unaffiliated/drarkanex] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:42 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:f053:5e29:b0ab:4772] has joined #se2600 15:05 <@dasunt> I would like to figure out a cryptocurrency that performs its own fed-like function, but if it's possible, the math is beyond my ability. 15:06 <@dasunt> Also, not being deflationary, such a cryptocurrency would be unlikely to be adopted, since cryptocurriences seem to rely on early adopters expecting their stash to increase in value. 15:29 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: the Fed recently started clamping back down on the dollar. Quantitative easing is starting to be reversed. 15:41 -!- remoford [~remo_lapt@c-69-137-84-154.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 15:48 < xray> shapr: in Pyton if I use a with open(report, 'a') as report_handle: 15:49 < xray> I don't have to have an explicit report_handle.close() ? 15:49 < xray> is that correct 16:33 <@brimstone> xray: i think so. when the with ends, the file is closed 16:35 -!- TheDukh_ [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:18a1:8e19:6f7c:74f] has joined #se2600 16:38 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:f053:5e29:b0ab:4772] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:39 -!- TheDukh_ [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:18a1:8e19:6f7c:74f] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:43 < xray> also when writing to a file it appears it is better to use write instead of print 16:43 < xray> is this correct 16:44 < dc0de[m]> xray: I would say that is correct, as write is a function designed for files, and print is really for outputting... 16:44 <@brimstone> no idea, i'm not big on python 16:44 < dc0de[m]> so, a purist answer is YES. 16:45 < dc0de[m]> however, I'm not a python expert either... 16:45 < dc0de[m]> lmgty.com? 16:45 < xray> I have goggled that and it seems fuzzy 16:46 < dc0de[m]> hold... let me ask on the goons list.. I know there are python geeks there. 16:46 < dc0de[m]> bbiab 16:46 < xray> but I vaguely remember reading use print to stdout and stderror and write to a file 16:46 < xray> especially in Python 3 16:48 < dc0de[m]> xray: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8598228/f-write-vs-print-f 16:48 < PigBot> Title: python - f.write vs print >> f - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com) http://tinyurl.com/yc86bt3a 16:48 < dc0de[m]> does that not answer it? 16:49 < xray> yeah sort of 16:50 < xray> I prefer it when they reference the python standards because I have gotten bad advice from stackoverflow 16:51 -!- DrArkaneX [~doc@107.77.248.127] has joined #se2600 16:51 < xray> print is a function in Python 3 so it will work but I think right is preferred but can't find the Python standard that says that. 16:51 < dc0de[m]> so, from what I'm reading, print gives you more flexibility in text manipulation during the write process, (Which is considered sloppy in Pythonic views), but write is the "purist" standpoint... also, write only accepts strings. 16:52 < xray> yeah I haven't figured out how to write binary files yet. 16:52 < xray> print can add stuff by default where write will not 17:16 -!- DrArkaneX [~doc@107.77.248.127] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:22 -!- onymous [~textual@23-112-53-211.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 17:22 -!- onymous [~textual@23-112-53-211.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:26 -!- DrArkaneX [~doc@unaffiliated/drarkanex] has joined #se2600 18:23 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-axdjxjvqguxcfgbt] has joined #se2600 18:38 -!- crashcartpro [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cnxczgrfwuegdufo] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:49 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@cpe-74-141-205-192.kya.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 18:53 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@cpe-74-141-205-192.kya.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:54 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:d10f:97ff:ed72:9a52] has joined #se2600 19:03 -!- DrArkaneX [~doc@unaffiliated/drarkanex] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:04 -!- DrArkaneX [~doc@unaffiliated/drarkanex] has joined #se2600 19:43 -!- skiboy [~skiboy@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/skiboy] has joined #se2600 19:50 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:d10f:97ff:ed72:9a52] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:05 -!- skiboy [~skiboy@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/skiboy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:14 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@cpe-74-141-205-192.kya.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 22:32 -!- klixa-cloud [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iuszomsgnzkbcusx] has joined #se2600 22:32 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa-cloud] by ChanServ 22:47 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@cpe-74-141-205-192.kya.res.rr.com] has quit [] 23:12 -!- skiboy [~skiboy@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/skiboy] has joined #se2600 23:30 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-axdjxjvqguxcfgbt] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 23:58 -!- scoob [~scoob@fsf/member/scoob] has quit [Quit: ruh roh] --- Log closed Sat Oct 28 00:00:14 2017