--- Log opened Tue Oct 17 00:00:28 2017 00:13 < xray> rattle: what do you mean by "our environment"? 00:33 -!- Dagmar [dagmar@unaffiliated/dagmar] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:34 -!- Dagmar [dagmar@c-69-180-254-140.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 00:34 -!- Dagmar [dagmar@c-69-180-254-140.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 00:34 -!- Dagmar [dagmar@unaffiliated/dagmar] has joined #se2600 00:34 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dagmar] by ChanServ 00:34 -!- cordless_ [~cordless@c-73-88-170-178.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:35 -!- cordless_ [~cordless@c-73-88-170-178.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 00:35 -!- xray [~xray@c-73-43-4-206.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:35 -!- Corydon76 [~quassel@zett.abyt.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:35 -!- Corydon76 [~quassel@zett.abyt.es] has joined #se2600 00:35 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Corydon76] by ChanServ 00:44 -!- xray [~xray@c-73-43-4-206.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 02:54 -!- cordless_ [~cordless@c-73-88-170-178.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:54 -!- Corydon76 [~quassel@zett.abyt.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:54 -!- Corydon76 [~quassel@zett.abyt.es] has joined #se2600 02:54 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Corydon76] by ChanServ 03:01 -!- cordless_ [~cordless@c-73-88-170-178.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 04:17 -!- Catonic [~catonic@71-45-91-197.res.bhn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:13 -!- Catonic [~catonic@71-45-91-197.res.bhn.net] has joined #se2600 06:13 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Catonic] by ChanServ 06:29 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 06:38 * aestetix hugs Dolemite 06:41 * Catonic stirs and shakes 06:51 < skiboy> morning 06:51 < skiboy> Status report: SNAFU 06:58 -!- Catonic [~catonic@71-45-91-197.res.bhn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:00 -!- Catonic [~catonic@71.45.91.197] has joined #se2600 07:00 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Catonic] by ChanServ 07:00 <@Catonic> Concur 07:00 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@24-178-141-147.dhcp.thtn.ga.charter.com] has joined #se2600 07:01 <@Catonic> https://httpie.org/ 07:01 <@Catonic> couchdb 07:01 < PigBot> Couldn't snarf url: [Errno 1] _ssl.c:492: error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure. http://tinyurl.com/huap7vv 07:03 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:12 <@brimstone> rattle: ip whitelisting rules everything around me 07:14 -!- skiboy [~skiboy@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/skiboy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:59 <@Dolemite> Ah, now that was very satisfying. Just opened about 150 breakers in the old data center, as the day of reckoning has arrived. Everything left in it after today goes to salvage. 08:07 <@Evilpig> what time should I pull the truck up ? 08:23 <@rattle> Was it The Cloud? 08:46 < k3ymkr> Someone should do a cover of video killed the radio star about the cloud and DCs 09:05 < xray> skiboy: Big thank you who recommended LEDE for my router last night. 09:05 < xray> I have been digging into the project 09:05 < xray> wow have they got their act together 09:06 < xray> The last time I looked at them was a while after they forked and they had builds for only a few routers 09:06 < xray> now they have them for almost every router 09:06 < xray> the build process is amazing 09:06 < xray> You can follow everything online in real time 09:06 < xray> just wow 09:12 <@Dolemite> Heh, as expected, some folks didn't properly verify that they were out of that data center. Had to power 3 cabinets back on for long enough to let them migrate. 09:17 < xray> You could send registered mail, town crier, TV and radio news every hour for a year, talk to them in the hall, text them, put updates on Facebook, send them multiple emails, have meetings, paint it on the moon so you can see it from Earth, and there will still be people who don't get the message. 09:18 < xray> some people are pathologically incapable of having a clue or paying attention. 09:18 < xray> we call that job security 09:18 < xray> someone will always have to clean up after them 09:22 < xray> we need a way of detecting devices that are vulnerable to KRACK and preventing them from connecting to the wifi network 09:25 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:3d3d:ef6c:bf96:5502] has joined #se2600 09:56 <@shapr> YOW! 09:56 <@shapr> xray: any more Python questions? 09:56 <@Corydon76> How do you make Python suck less? 10:07 <@shapr> Corydon76: write Haskell instead 10:07 < xray> shapr: I'm writing a utility as I have time. It should be finished in a few days. I suspect I'm writing Python with an "accent" so when I'm done I'll post the code. I would appreciate pointers on how to make my code more Pythonic. 10:07 < xray> I'm really liking how Python handles errors 10:07 <@shapr> sure 10:07 <@shapr> I'm happy to help 10:08 <@Corydon76> shapr: If I'm going to that extreme, I might as well write in Prolog or LiSP 10:08 <@shapr> prolog has a larger set of issues, back tracking and all that 10:08 <@shapr> lisp is good stuff, but doesn't push "functions only work with their inputs" as hard as Haskell does 10:09 < xray> Especially that if I miss an error check Python will provide enough information by default to track it down in the code. 10:09 <@shapr> mind you, prolog's backtracking and unification is so useful that most every language has a datalog library 10:09 <@shapr> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datalog 10:09 < PigBot> Title: Datalog - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/cam64up 10:09 < xray> I can then trap it and make log entries as needed 10:09 <@shapr> on the other hand, homoiconicity is just so flippin powerful 10:10 <@shapr> if your syntax is also your parse tree, macros become amazingly powerful, so that's points for lisp 10:11 <@shapr> Corydon76: have you seen lexi lambda's hackett project? https://github.com/lexi-lambda/hackett 10:11 < PigBot> Title: GitHub - lexi-lambda/hackett: WIP implementation of a Haskell-like Lisp in Racket (at github.com) http://tinyurl.com/knyn8gk 10:12 <@shapr> Corydon76: btw, I miss the awesome bread you used to make and bring to work 10:12 <@Corydon76> I rarely make bread anymore 10:12 <@shapr> ah, too bad 10:13 <@shapr> your bread experiments were often better than fred bread 10:13 <@Corydon76> I probably could start again, but I'm still in the process of getting settled into this house 10:13 <@shapr> are you still in nashville? 10:13 <@Corydon76> I'm north of Nashville, in a small town 10:13 < xray> gah your macking me hungry 10:14 <@shapr> Corydon76: are you coming to phreaknic? 10:14 <@Corydon76> I better be, since I'm running registration 10:14 < xray> now I smell bread and butter 10:14 <@shapr> oh good 10:14 < xray> gah 10:14 <@Corydon76> xray: pickles? 10:14 <@shapr> Corydon76: want to give a lightning talk about bread experiments? 10:14 <@shapr> I'm disorganizing the lightning talks again 10:14 < xray> LoL 10:14 < xray> I wish I could make Phreaknic 10:15 <@Corydon76> I use a bread machine. It all gets thrown into there, press the button, and I'm done 10:15 <@shapr> I forget if this is year two or three that I've done that 10:21 <@Corydon76> And when I was doing the morning bread at Digium, it all got stuffed into the machine the night before, and a timer was set. 10:23 <@Corydon76> I may have made a shitton of bread, but it was all automated. No hacking involved. 10:23 <@shapr> how'd you choose the ingredients? 10:23 <@Corydon76> I have a bunch of recipe books 10:23 <@shapr> seemed like you had a directed exploration of some sort 10:23 <@Corydon76> My only exploration was in trying to find ingredients not usually found at the grocery store 10:24 <@Corydon76> Like "Malt Syrup" 10:24 <@shapr> Is that for drugstore malt drinks? 10:24 < xray> we have a bread machine and have found it makes it easier but not brain dead simple 10:24 < xray> you can still make bad bread 10:25 <@Corydon76> Malt syrup is apparently an unrefined syrup. I probably could have used corn syrup instead 10:25 <@Corydon76> Sweetener, that is 10:26 <@Corydon76> I'm apparently getting interference between my brain and my fingers today. 10:31 <@_NSAKEY> shapr: This will make 3 years. 10:31 <@shapr> oh good! 10:31 <@shapr> _NSAKEY: I'm glad you remember! 10:31 <@shapr> _NSAKEY: is there still space for another talk? 10:31 <@shapr> I'm working on a conference badge project 10:32 <@_NSAKEY> shapr: Don't know. I'm not keeping up with any of that, and haven't since PN19. 10:32 <@shapr> ok, I should send an email to the se2600 list? 10:32 <@_NSAKEY> I'm laser-focused on making the con network great again. 10:32 <@_NSAKEY> board@nashville2600.org 10:32 <@Dolemite> _NSAKEY: Just name the network America 10:32 <@shapr> ok, sounds good 10:32 <@_NSAKEY> Dolemite: Would that make the hotel's network Mexico? 10:33 <@shapr> I still think this year's motto should have been "encrypt your echo chamber" :-P 10:33 <@_NSAKEY> I should totally make them pay for a firewall. 10:33 <@shapr> oh man, last year's phreaknic I was sniffing the hotel wifi network 10:33 <@shapr> it wasn't as bad as defcon, but boy was there some excitement happening 10:33 <@_NSAKEY> shapr: Last year, one of the senior hotel staff told me and some others that during PN19, two people had accessed their IP cams. 10:34 <@shapr> wow! 10:35 <@Corydon76> Well, when the IP cams are on the same network as the guests and unsecured, that's going to happen 10:35 <@_NSAKEY> Didn't hear anything about that last year, but I do know there were no serious reports of drunk people doing stupid shit last year. 10:35 <@_NSAKEY> We also didn't have roving gangs of Christian soccer moms shitting everything up on Saturday night. 10:35 <@Corydon76> The owner set them up so he could see the cams from home, and gave no thought to security 10:35 <@_NSAKEY> 80% of the stuff they cried about was stuff that their precious snowflakes did. 10:36 <@shapr> on the good side, the hotel is certainly more aware of security concerns because PN is there? 10:37 <@_NSAKEY> Last year, I took irresosponsibly heroic amounts of caffeine and stayed up all night to field any possible complaints. 10:37 <@_NSAKEY> *irresponsibly 10:38 <@oddball> I believe I called it on the "yeah... it wasn't us. That group decided that we shouldn't be there when they showed up." 10:38 <@_NSAKEY> oddball: Exactly. 10:39 <@shapr> the soccer moms influx was certainly a surprise 10:39 <@Corydon76> _NSAKEY: Maybe we should get you a case of Monster this year 10:39 <@shapr> they stuck their heads into some of the conference rooms and gave disapproving looks 10:39 <@_NSAKEY> Corydon76: I had that last year, and caffeine pills. 10:39 <@shapr> I was amused 10:39 <@Corydon76> _NSAKEY: That combination seems rather dangerous to your health 10:40 <@_NSAKEY> shapr: The worst we had last year was a couple of drunk girls who commandeered one of the hotel luggage carts. One was pushing another around as they both giggled, and they were all "PhreakNIC? What's that?" when they saw the banner in the gaming room. 10:40 <@_NSAKEY> Then they went about drunkenly going through the common area. 10:41 <@shapr> amyflatt did amazing stuff with the kids track last year 10:41 <@_NSAKEY> She's taking point on that again this year, I think. 10:41 <@shapr> one 12 year old picked up Python in less than an hour 10:41 <@shapr> is the 20 kid limit new this year? 10:42 <@shapr> were there more last year? 10:42 <@Corydon76> The limit is mainly about the space 10:42 <@_NSAKEY> I'm providing a box for running minetest (kid's track recess) and forcing some actual network design on things. 10:42 <@Corydon76> Although it's also about materials this year 10:42 <@_NSAKEY> Yeah, last year, Ben wasn't expecting it to take off, because none of the people he got to come for PN19's kid's track were going to make it last year. 10:43 <@_NSAKEY> Then he had a bunch of kid registrations, and that room was packed. 10:43 <@_NSAKEY> He had to add laptops. I think he told me there were 30-something kids in that little space. 10:44 <@shapr> they all seemed to enjoy the classes 10:45 <@Corydon76> It's too bad we don't have a source for noise-deadening foam for the walls 11:11 -!- rhia [~rhia@66.165.15.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:16 -!- rhia [~rhia@66.165.15.89] has joined #se2600 11:16 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rhia] by ChanServ 12:21 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:3d3d:ef6c:bf96:5502] has quit [] 12:40 -!- remoford1 [~remo_lapt@c-69-137-84-154.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 13:21 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:3d3d:ef6c:bf96:5502] has joined #se2600 16:19 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:3d3d:ef6c:bf96:5502] has quit [] 17:05 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:3d3d:ef6c:bf96:5502] has joined #se2600 21:14 -!- skiboy [~skiboy@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/skiboy] has joined #se2600 21:44 -!- mog [~mog@fsf/member/mog] has left #se2600 ["Leaving"] 22:29 < K`Tetch_> well, megabots was abit underwhelming, eh 23:41 <@Catonic> cool --- Log closed Wed Oct 18 00:00:30 2017