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06:20 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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06:49 < k3ymkr> Howdy, Dolemite
09:13  * Catonic shakes
09:13 <@Catonic> TIL IPAM is a thing
09:13 <@Catonic> my exact thoughts: "Jesus, there's an app for that?"
09:14  * Catonic starts browsing brocures for walkers, fancy walkers, and other locomotion assistance accessories
09:14 <@Catonic> s/brocures/brochures
09:14 <@shapr> OH SURE
09:14 <@shapr> xray: you got any more python questions?
09:14 <@shapr> xray: want to learn Haskell next? :-D
09:15 <@Catonic> Erlang, because...
09:15 <@shapr> elixir?
09:23 < xray> shapr: I program but I'm not a programmer. Most of my coding is for systems administration and security tools.
09:23 <@Catonic> scapy
09:24 < xray> haven't run into scapy yet
09:24 <@shapr> I do like scapy
09:24 <@shapr> and dpkt
09:24 <@shapr> Catonic: have you seen impacket?
09:25 < xray> scapy looks very interesting
09:26 <@Catonic> no, because I'm old school at this point
09:26 <@shapr> bet I'm older than you :-P
09:26 < xray> I have considered upgrading NarkNet to be a wifi monitoring tool rather than a (in)security demonstration platform
09:26 < xray> scapy might be usefull
09:27 <@shapr> mind you, xray is older than me and doing awesome things I don't do...
09:27 <@Catonic> dump -a0f - / | nc 10.0.0.2 -p 1234
09:27 < xray> I'm probably older than both of you put together
09:27 < xray> rocks don't live this long
09:27 <@Catonic> I'm 22, but like ... about 13 mentally.
09:27 < xray> LoL
09:28 < xray> The biggest problem I have is there are so many interesting things to hack and so little time
09:29 < xray> apparently scapy is python based
09:30 < xray> needs Python 2.4
09:30 < xray> wow that's old
09:31 < xray> although Python is supposed to be backward compatible so 2.7.14 should work
09:31 < xray> I think 2.3 is the minimum
09:31 < xray> for scapy
09:32 <@shapr> I'm 46
09:32 <@shapr> still doing cartwheels though :-P
09:41 < aestetix> Catonic: I think you have your stated ages mixed up ;)
10:40 <@Catonic> But if I don't reinvent the wheel, then I don't have a project I can cite to my new employer and prove that I have experience and a college degree, so I can get that job.
10:40 <@shapr> Catonic: have you read this series? https://aphyr.com/tags/Interviews
10:40 < PigBot> Title: Interviews (at aphyr.com) http://tinyurl.com/yd8bh4n3
10:45 <@Catonic> fuck my ADHD has ADD
10:46 <@Catonic> oh my zsh, because you too can rice out a prompt
10:47 <@Catonic> "r u l33t h@x0r?!"
10:47 <@shapr> not very composable though
10:47 <@shapr> and module loading can freak out and cause problems
11:23 <@Catonic> shapr: I'm not dead.
11:29 <@Dagmar> Who wants to give me student loan details
11:29 <@Dagmar> I'm about to fuck some people up
11:30 <@Dagmar> We're getting multiple calls a day from those fraudsters and I'm going to sucker the bitches
11:31 < xray> just redirect their call to http://jollyrogertelephone.com/
11:31 < PigBot> Title: Jolly Roger Telephone Company, saving the world from bad telemarketing (at jollyrogertelephone.com) http://tinyurl.com/zxp7vgk
11:35 <@Dagmar> They're spoofing caller ID so we've no way to do that
11:35 <@Dagmar> ...and at this point, I don't want to just annoy them.
11:35 <@Dagmar> I want to send some bitches to _jail_
11:36 <@Dagmar> I need convincing info about student loans, any student loan
11:36 <@Dagmar> Because I'm going to get them to fess up a real-world address to send the authorities to
11:36 < xray> Tell them you will only accept repayment request via certified mail.
11:37 < xray> The letter will contain their actual address
11:37 < xray> and give you a case for mail fraud
11:38 < xray> or maybe that is registered mail
11:41 <@Dagmar> THey're student loan forgiveness fraudsters
11:41 <@Dagmar> So I need a believable student loan for them to attempt forgivness on
11:52 < aestetix> or just move to europe
11:52 < aestetix> oh wait, lemme scroll up
12:12 <@Corydon76> Dagmar:  are they wanting a check or just all your information, so they can steal your identity?
12:48 <@Dagmar> I don't know yet.  I do know the moment they smell a rat that they'll hang up
12:49 <@Dagmar> I just need to be able to convince someone I have a student loan that's painful
12:49 <@Dagmar> I fully intend to make up a psuedoperson using myfakeidentity.com
12:49 <@Dagmar> ...but I'm going to get a real-world address from the fuckers and send some authorities out
12:54 < aestetix> can you pick someone like Martin Shkreli
12:54 < aestetix> or whatever his name is
12:54 <@Dagmar> Why the fuck would I bother?
12:54 < aestetix> because it would be funny
12:57 <@Dagmar> That's entirely too much trouble and very likely to give it away
12:59 < cyberanger> Sounds like a fun day ahead Dagmar
13:01 < aestetix> how about Skydog
13:03 <@Dagmar> On their next call I'm gonna tell them I have a 25k loan from a company called Navient at 4.66% interest that's been overdue for a year
13:03 <@Dagmar> We'll see what paperwork I can get out of them
13:03 <@Dagmar> They've called Audra six times so far today
13:03 <@Dolemite> Heh, 4.66% is way low for a Navient loan
13:03 <@Catonic> Dagmar: you need ANI access. If you have ANI, you can call them back as many times as you want in a minute and conference all the phones together.
13:04 <@Catonic> Dagmar: still tho. You, getting married?
13:04 <@Dagmar> Yep
13:04 < aestetix> is she hot?
13:04 < aestetix> or he
13:04 <@Catonic> <mymindisfullofffuck.jpg>
13:04 < aestetix> wait it's not jonnyx is it?
13:04 < aestetix> like that photo from a few years ago
13:05 < cyberanger> Dagmar: Double the amount (40k is unfortunately too common for student loan debt now) and make the intrest at least 10%
13:06 < cyberanger> You want it to be worse than Sallie Mae, for these suckers to really bite.
13:06 <@Catonic> I have to wonder who dropped a time on acidus and virgil that made cisco aware they were in ATL at that exact moment..
13:06 < aestetix> cyberanger: you know what would be great actually
13:06 <@Catonic> rather, not cisco, but blackboard.
13:06 < aestetix> A service where you send them the student loan payment and they convert it to pennies for you
13:07 <@Catonic> im sure cisco has the resources to hire attorneys who can figure out that if a given event will happen that a process server would be a good thing to have visit there
13:07 < aestetix> As in, they pay your loans in physical pennies
13:07 < aestetix> I love the idea of a few truckloads of pennies coming into Sallie Mae, and they have to count them all
13:07 < cyberanger> aestetix: okay, that's what I was thinking you meant, that'd be awesome.
13:08 < aestetix> I know there's the meme of doing it to the IRS
13:08 < aestetix> but why stop there?
13:08 < cyberanger> My school just dropped FAFSA this year, so I can (and likely will) just pay cash or go thru Sallie Mae.
13:08 < cyberanger> Crux of being an international student.
13:08 <@shapr> fuck all that noise
13:09 <@shapr> I still have 15 or 17k of student loans
13:09 <@shapr> I'm not convinced it's worth the money anymore
13:09 <@Dolemite> Navient is who bought out all the Sallie Mae loans.  Sallie Mae is just the broker.
13:09 <@Dagmar> shapr: What was your interest rate?
13:09 <@shapr> it was 6.6 I think
13:09 <@Dolemite> I think I'm down to $4k left in student loans
13:09 <@shapr> but I have only one of those left
13:09 <@shapr> the others are 3.3 or something
13:10 <@opticron> shapr, yeah, we're down to ~$9K now, probably 6.5%
13:10 <@Dagmar> Since these fuckers keep calling, I'm going to keep giving details until I convince someoe
13:10 <@Dolemite> Mine were from when I was single and working for Sun, so I had a much higher credit score than now, when I work for the gubment and have a wife and 2 kids (and the associated debt, LOL)
13:10 <@Dolemite> My rate is 6.5%
13:10 <@opticron> 3.3%...jesus
13:11 <@opticron> that's lower than my mortgage rate
13:11 <@shapr> I'm saving those for last
13:11 < cyberanger> I have 0, but It's still early.....I may wind up back in the US and stuck on a stafford loan at least.
13:11 <@shapr> cyberanger: where you at now?
13:11 <@shapr> european education is effectively free
13:11 < aestetix> yeah cyberanger where are you
13:13 <@shapr> I passed on the chance to do five years of education for free in Sweden
13:13 < cyberanger> Niagara College in Welland, ON Canada. Goal was to finish this program & go to the University of Toronto on a better rate.
13:13 <@shapr> wish I hadn't skipped that
13:16 < cyberanger> It's cheaper than the US until Tennessee Promise started applying to adults. Technically without Financial Aid in the mix it's better than any rate I've seen except in state community colleges (and I don't want to compete for a job with thousands of others holding the same junk paper)
13:16 < cyberanger> (In state for me is TN btw)
13:16 < cyberanger> shapr: How'd you get that chance?
13:17 <@shapr> I was a legal resident for seven years in Europe, two in Finland, five in Sweden
13:17 <@shapr> I missed the five years required for Swedish citizenship by ... a month or so?
13:17 <@shapr> that was even more stupid
13:17  * shapr sighs
13:17 < aestetix> but then don't you have to give up US citizenship?
13:17 <@shapr> nope
13:17 <@shapr> common myth
13:17 < aestetix> I'm pretty sure that is the case with Germany
13:18 <@shapr> the US tries to trick people into thinking they have to give up other citizenships, but it's not the case
13:18 <@Dagmar> Did you get residency credit for bleaching your hair?
13:18 < aestetix> interesting
13:18 <@shapr> the US only recognizes your US citizenship if you have multiple
13:18 <@shapr> Dagmar: nah, that was the unicycling
13:19 < cyberanger> aestetix: there's a loophole with Germany too, only Germany is requiring you to choose at age 26. If you don't tell a US offical you renounced it, then you didn't renounce it.
13:20 < aestetix> so if I get a citizenship with germany, and just don't tell the US, I'm ok?
13:20 < cyberanger> That was done after some fear that a dictatorship could grant citizenship to everyone in their borders & then force Americans to renounce, or so I've been told.
13:20 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/status/918502672843411456
13:20 < PigBot> Title: Twitter Safety on Twitter: "The Tweet was removed and her account has been unlocked. We will be clearer about these policies and decisions in the future. 2/3" (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/ydesmbnx
13:20 < aestetix> Fuuuuuuuck twitter
13:21 < cyberanger> It's perhaps a little more involved, general idea yeah.
13:22 < cyberanger> Canada doesn't make me renounce prior citizenship, so only issue would be if I tried to get a clearance job or something.
13:22 < cyberanger> The US could be present when I take my oath (if I go that route someday) and no sweat, Germany is a different issue.
13:25 < cyberanger> I do feel more at home up here honestly (I did grow up just a few miles from here, in Buffalo. That helps) Politics aren't so partisan and you can actually talk about the issue itself.
13:26 < cyberanger> Or have nothing to do with politics, it's not CNN or Fox News in every coffee shop TV
13:26 < aestetix> cyberanger: same in Germany. Things are a bit partisan, but it feels more like the US of the 90s. There is still common discussion
13:26 < aestetix> And if you hold a political view that is unpopular, you don't get blacklisted like you do in the US
13:28 < cyberanger> And that's my issue with the US in a nutshell right now. I hold beliefs that one party would love me for, but a different issue I'd be crucificed in a heartbeat. I'm an independent for a reason.
13:28 < cyberanger> Also, I'm pretty sure both sides hate the strong encryption stance we all (I assume) have.
13:29 <@Dagmar> Then they can suck it
13:29 <@Dagmar> It's not our problem they don't understand math
13:31 < cyberanger> Here I think only the CSE has that issue and while Canadians are generally more trusting of their government, that doesn't seem to be a blind faith in the security establishment.
13:32 < cyberanger> (For those that might be unaware, CSE is Communications Security Establishment, the NSA-equivalent here)
13:34 < cyberanger> Dagmar: my thoughts exactly, kind of like "Physics is a law of it's own power."
13:36 < cyberanger> Anyone here using Qubes OS?
13:37 < cyberanger> I just started using it this week (tried before, but my last laptop couldn't handle it, too little ram)
14:22 <@Catonic> cyberanger: in .ca?
14:26 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-MkduVh0wM
14:26 < PigBot> Title: Mark Zuckerberg - VR Safari In Puerto Rico - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/y6u53q9x
14:26 < aestetix> jesus this is disturbing
14:29 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8q2BQOGRGE
14:29 < PigBot> Title: Zuckerberg blasted for tone-deaf magical VR tour of Puerto Rico (CNET News) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/yaye723a
14:30 <@opticron> I was wondering when people were going to explode over that...
14:41 <@Catonic> lol
14:50 < k3ymkr> why do we care what Zuck has to say about PR?
14:50 < k3ymkr> Does he have a big office there?
14:50 < k3ymkr> Guess I should watch it
14:55 < aestetix> k3ymkr: it's not that.
14:56 < aestetix> The issue for me is that he has so much power and yet he is so demonstrably out of touch
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15:00 < l0x_> hello everyone!
15:02 < cyberanger> Catonic yes
15:37 < aestetix> totally unrelated question
15:37 < aestetix> have any of you played Portal Stories: Mel?
15:38 < l0x_> nerpp :(
15:38 < aestetix> if not and you liked Portal 2, you should
15:38 < l0x_> never played portal but i've heard its awesomeeee!! watched it being played a litlte
15:38 < l0x_> thanks for the rec
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16:03 < l0x_> what kind of laptop do u own remo? ^_^
16:03 < l0x_> lmao
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18:25 <@Dagmar> Tee hee.  Anyone know what Marie's husband's name is?
18:33 < aestetix> I just created something cool
18:33 < aestetix> https://github.com/alvarcarto/url-to-pdf-api
18:33 < PigBot> Title: GitHub - alvarcarto/url-to-pdf-api: Web page PDF rendering done right. Self-hosted service for rendering receipts, invoices, or any content. (at github.com) http://tinyurl.com/ybgnv8xm
18:33 < aestetix> this is not mine
18:33 < aestetix> but I took this and created this
18:33 < aestetix> https://unfacebookify.herokuapp.com/api/render?url=
18:33 < PigBot> Couldn't snarf url: HTTP Error 400: Bad Request. http://tinyurl.com/y8ucl2qc
18:34 < aestetix> this will allow you to block facebook in your hosts file, and still view things people post on there when you need to
18:34 < aestetix> and facebook gets none of the tracking data on you
18:35 < aestetix> https://unfacebookify.herokuapp.com/api/render?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com
18:35 < aestetix> sample request
18:35 < PigBot> aestetix: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 30480 bytes.
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20:00 <@_NSAKEY> aestetix: Regarding the YouTube link, is there a way to engage in player killing?
20:19 <@Dagmar> Damn I didn't think it was possible for Mr. Robot to be scarier
21:12 <@Catonic> I feel like I've been awake too many hours.
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