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06:37 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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06:42 < k3ymkr> Good morning.
06:42 < k3ymkr> Such a good one you got knocked off the interwebs!
06:44 <@Dolemite> Nah, I rebooted after security patches
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07:20  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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07:49 < aestetix> I have to say
07:49 < aestetix> while the circumstances are horrible, it is nice to watch Hollywood start to collapse
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08:05 <@Dolemite> So my son is doing community service work for his Boy Scout rank by helping out at the animal shelter.  Since I've got to take him there, I figured I may as well be productive.  I've nearly got all the parrots trained to say, "Alexa"   I figure next, I'll teach them to say, "Play Never Gonna Give You Up"
08:06 <@Dolemite> I only wish I had access to more birds
08:19 <@_NSAKEY> Dolemite: This is a fantastic use of your time. I approve.
08:20 <@Corydon76> Dolemite: Shorter is better when it comes to parrots.  "Alexa Play Hamster Dance"
08:20 <@Dolemite> It's true community service
08:21 <@Dolemite> Corydon76: But it's not a Rick-roll!
08:21 <@_NSAKEY> Honestly, if you stop at "alexa," there's still potential for a lot of chaos.
08:21 <@Dolemite> That's my theory
08:21 <@_NSAKEY> You just don't have any control over what Alexa searches.
08:21 <@_NSAKEY> And really, that's part of the fun.
08:22 <@_NSAKEY> Though if you can get them to say "Alexa, rick roll." that would be ideal.
08:22 <@_NSAKEY> ... Assuming that works.
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09:31 <@Dagmar> I take it everyone's excited?
09:33 <@shapr> yes?
09:33 <@shapr> why am I excited again?
09:33 <@Corydon76> shapr: and you just can't hide it
09:33 <@Dagmar> Mr. Robot, Season 3 tonight
09:33 <@shapr> oh that
09:33 <@shapr> I'm excited about phreaknic, does that count?
09:34 <@Dagmar> *shrug*
09:34 <@shapr> Dagmar: you going to phreaknic this year?
09:34 <@Dagmar> Usually I'm so oversubscribed on my time I'm glad when it's over
09:34 <@Dagmar> This year is going to be no different
09:34 <@Dagmar> I'm gettin' married on Halloween
09:34 <@shapr> huh, cool
09:34 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: so PhreakNIC will be your honeymoon?
09:34 <@Dagmar> Hell no
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12:40 < aestetix> new south park tonight too
12:41 < aestetix> oh wow Dagmar
12:41 < aestetix> well tell anarchival I said hi
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12:55 <@shapr> I met anarchival once
12:55 <@shapr> that got interesting fast
12:55 <@shapr> Dagmar: you marrying anarchival?
12:56 <@Dagmar> Would you like one stabbings or two?
13:04 <@Corydon76> Nobody's seen anarchival in months.  She may be lying at the bottom of the pit Dagmar has in his backyard.
13:05 <@Dagmar> Like I would leave evidence like that lying anywhere nearby
13:05 <@Corydon76> That's what slaked lime is for
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13:46 <@Dolemite> Well, looks like I'll OFFICIALLy have girls in my Cub Scouts pack next year.  I've had them unofficially since I've been involved, as Cub Scouts has always been open to the whole family.
13:51 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: that wouldn't be evidence,  it would be classified as compost
13:51 < K`Tetch> they've officially had girlsin ym dads scout troop for about 15 years
13:52 < aestetix> Dolemite: you mean since the Girl Scouts was riddled with drama?
13:52 < K`Tetch> we've had girls in our navigators group since day 1 (about 2 1/2 yeasr ago)
13:52 <@Dolemite> K`Tetch: Not a BSA troop ;)
13:53 < aestetix> Co-ed scout camping trips for teenagers. What could possibly go wrong?
13:53 <@Dolemite> This is < 11 years old
13:53 < K`Tetch> no, an actual 'scouts organisation' troop, as in the group founded by RBP
13:53 <@Dolemite> Yep, BSA was one of the few holdouts to co-ed
13:53 < K`Tetch> elsewhere in the world, the BSA is looked down on as a backwards religious nutjob group
13:53 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: The HOA doesn't allow compost piles
13:53 <@Dolemite> Most world scouting is co-ed
13:54 < K`Tetch> Met the chief scout once, around 91-92
13:55 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: composting pit. :D
14:02 < aestetix> Dolemite: what is actually prompting this though?
14:02 < aestetix> Like you said before there was lots of drama in the girl scouts
14:03 <@Dolemite> Lots of factors
14:04 <@Dolemite> 1 - For the Cub Scout age (6-11 years), we already had entire families in attendance.  If the girls are there, why can't they officially earn the same ranks and badges?
14:04 < aestetix> K`Tetch: also, given all the trouble Europe is having right now, I'm not sure that they are in a position to call anyone nutjobs ;)
14:05 <@Dolemite> 2 - Single parents have to look for activities that can involve the whole family, not play taxi driver all over as you take boys to one activity and girls to another.
14:05 < aestetix> Oh interesting.
14:05 <@Dolemite> 3 - Dual income families have similar time constraints to single parent families.
14:05 < aestetix> Dolemite: has it just gotten worse to be a parent now than it was 30 years ago?
14:06 <@Dolemite> 4 - Girl Scouts at the local level has tended to focus less on outdoor skills.  Some girls want to go outside and play in the dirt.
14:06 <@Dolemite> I wasn't a parent 30 years ago
14:07 < aestetix> Well it seems that there are more single parents, and I personally know a bunch of Americans who have decided not to have children due to all the drama involved
14:08 <@Dolemite> I know that I'm very glad my kids aren't into sports.  That seems to be where the most drama is.
14:09 <@Evilpig> that's probably true because they all have to win and you can't have any losers
14:09 <@Dolemite> Kids in Baseball or Football having to either play in a game or go to practice 5-6 nights a week or they get benched.
14:09 < aestetix> Evilpig: doesn't that defeat the point of playing sports?
14:09 < aestetix> Dolemite: ok that also defeats the point of playing sports
14:10 <@Evilpig> aestetix: telling a kid that they lost is crushing to their self confidence or something.  there is some crazy logic out ther enow
14:10 < aestetix> Evilpig: good. If they lost, they shouldn't be confident. They should work hard and win next time.
14:10 <@Evilpig> that isn't how it is looked at now
14:10 <@Dolemite> Everybody thinks that their kid is the next $100M draft pick, and the only thing holding them back is your kid.
14:11 < aestetix> s/your kid/you/
14:11 <@Dolemite> Participation trophies aren't the problem
14:11 <@Dolemite> It's everybody thinking that they have a winner
14:11 < aestetix> Sounds like the problem is greedy parents who want to live through their children
14:11 <@Dolemite> That's a lot of it
14:11 <@Dolemite> Or they want that college scholarship
14:11 < aestetix> So their children can learn how to be social justice warriors?
14:12 <@Evilpig> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX0Qvk7YbnU
14:12 < PigBot> Title: Man Runs Over Abolish KKKolumbus Day protesters - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/ztbqohu
14:12 < aestetix> oh jesus
14:12 <@Dolemite> aestetix: No, dummy, you can't join the fraternity if you don't go to college.  Duh!
14:12 < aestetix> You mean the fraternities that universities are starting to ban?
14:12 <@Dolemite> Ha!  Right.
14:13 <@Dolemite> LIP SERVICE
14:14 < aestetix> Evilpig: those kids make me in favor of reinstating the deaft
14:14 < aestetix> draft
14:16 < aestetix> Evilpig: funny how they all hate the police until they suddenly need them
14:17 <@Dagmar> Fuck those idiot protestors
14:17 < aestetix> K`Tetch: am I wrong in thinking that it's increasingly difficult to be a centrist today? Nobody understands that concept anyomre
14:17 <@Dagmar> The threats of violence against the driver were unconcionable
14:17 < K`Tetch> it is harder
14:17 < K`Tetch> everyone keeps watchign to pull me in different directions
14:17 <@Dagmar> They should not be tolerating that bullshit
14:18 < aestetix> K`Tetch: and for all the lefist talk about how great it is to be "atheist" they are really religious in their "progressivism"
14:18 < K`Tetch> for the sports thing - the problem is the way American sports are set up, run through the education system
14:19 < K`Tetch> i've a friend whose kid is really good at football (actual football, not under5's rugby)
14:19 < aestetix> What's really astonishing is that because the medications are pretty good now, gay men with HIV are suddenly no longer oppressed
14:19 < K`Tetch> he played on a local saturday team, and was scouted by a professional club. He signed with that club's U11 team last year
14:20 < K`Tetch> that club will train him, and such, at ZERO impact to the education system
14:21 < K`Tetch> 9only downside, the kid's an Everton supporter, he was offered the place by Liverpool)
14:46 <@Dagmar> Holy shit
14:46 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Behold this glaring display of ignorance --> https://en.altlinux.org/Sisyphus
14:46 < PigBot> Title: Sisyphus - ALT Linux Wiki (at en.altlinux.org) http://tinyurl.com/yal7r2dv
14:47 <@Dagmar> They have named their rolling release "Sisyphus"
14:57 < aestetix> does that mean they will never end support?
14:57 < aestetix> or that they will never complete a release?
15:03 < K`Tetch> maybe uts sponsired by rolling rock beer
15:35 <@Dagmar> It basically implies that usign the distro is a punishment that will never end
15:35 <@Dagmar> That nothing useful will ever come of it.
15:35 < aestetix> well does it use systemd?
15:35 <@Dagmar> Probably
15:43 < K`Tetch> heh, the 2015 dcon panel on systemd is by far my most popular video
16:05 <@Dagmar> Really...
16:05 <@Dagmar> I just tried to Google it and got this: https://twitter.com/notfake1o57?lang=en
16:05 < PigBot> Title: DEFCON 1057 (@notfake1o57) | Twitter (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/ycbl9bxf
16:16 < K`Tetch> https://www.dropbox.com/s/r96hs1wmlan5usj/systemd%20video.jpg?dl=0
16:23 < aestetix> damn things are not looking food for Hollywood
16:24 < aestetix> I'm particulary tickled by the Ben Affleck drama since didn't he do an SJW rant on Bill Maher?
16:37 < xray> aestetix: You have mentioned "Hollywood is melting down" twice. What are you referring to?
16:38 < aestetix> The Harvey Weinstein stuff and now Ben Affleck
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16:38 < aestetix> I just have a feeling we're going to see a lot more accusations come out
16:40 < dc0de[m]> The sjw's have a new villain.
16:40 < aestetix> dc0de[m]: what makes this bittersweet is that Hollwood has been playing the "holier than thou" card for a few years now
16:40 < aestetix> And it's coming back to bite them
16:41 < aestetix> IE if you are a celebrity and were vocally opposed to Trump over the "grab her by" video, but then didn't say anything when you knew Weinstein and others were actually committing assault...
16:42 < xray> Ah
16:42 < xray> So people who's lives and opinions I pay no attention are throwing tomatoes at each other which I also don't care about.
16:43 < xray> At least they are not reading the hacked Equifax data on Jimmy Kimmel
16:43 < aestetix> xray: the reason why you might care is because if the people who make movies you love all get shunned or arrested, then the movies you love may get blacklisted, and we'll be seeing no more movies from tham.
16:43 < xray> In the form of a mean tweet
16:43 < aestetix> Not that Hollywood has put out anything worth a shit in the last year or two...
16:44 < xray> Have you not watched the Turman Show
16:44 < aestetix> yes, one of my favorite movies
16:44 < xray> after it ended people just picked up the TV guide and looked for the next thing
16:44 < xray> NBD
16:44 < xray> no big deal
16:44 < aestetix> fair point
16:45 < xray> There is plenty of non-Hollywood content on Youtube that is just fine
16:45 < aestetix> Well youtube is having its own set of problems ;)
16:45 < xray> Or I could just quite watching junk and spend the time learning a new infosec skill that will make me money.
16:46 < xray> Like Python, which I'm doing now.
16:46 < aestetix> You're making a great case for shutting down broadcast media in general :)
16:47 <@Corydon76> It's amusing to bemoan the power that celebrities have over our lives when the simple answer is simply to ignore them.  Their sole power comes from the fact that people don't ignore their antics.
16:47 < xray> That would take time and effort on my part
16:47 < xray> which is a waste of my time
16:47 < xray> they will do themselves in with no help from me
16:47 <@Corydon76> Oh, wait, sorry... "Won't someone think of the children?"
16:47 < xray> Just look at what CBS is doing with Discovery
16:47 < aestetix> what are they doing?
16:48 < xray> LoL
16:48 <@Corydon76> According to one Youtuber, Discovery is the story of the origins of Section 31.
16:48 < xray> You can only watch it if you signup for CBS online which cost about the same as a Netflix subscription
16:49 < aestetix> oh so they're pulling a disney
16:49 < xray> yes
16:49 <@Corydon76> I'll wait until it's canceled and then watch it on Netflix.
16:49 < aestetix> oh you mean Star Trek Discovery
16:49 < aestetix> I thought you meant the Discovery Channel
16:49 < xray> just more proof that the networks have been huffing something
16:49 < xray> yes
16:49 <@Corydon76> No, he meant the space shuttle Discovery
16:50 < xray> Corydon76: you need more coffee
16:50 <@Corydon76> I don't drink coffee.  Coffee disagrees with me.
16:51 < xray> Ah, well there is tea
16:51 <@Corydon76> Monster, yes.  Green tea, yes.  Mountain Dew, yes.
16:51 < xray> That works
16:51 <@Corydon76> Red Bull, only when I'm in a bar and they don't have Monster to mix with alcohol.
16:52 <@Corydon76> Because you don't know assholes until you've met someone with lots of caffeine AND alcohol in their system
16:53 < xray> I don't frequent bars so I probably won't
16:53 <@Corydon76> I'm rarely in a bar as it is
16:53 < xray> LoL
16:53 <@Corydon76> I generally go to support my husband, when he's performing on a night when I don't have work the next day.
16:54 < xray> He performs?
16:54 < xray> What kind?
16:54 <@Corydon76> Drag queen
16:54 < xray> seriously?
16:54 <@Corydon76> Yes
16:54 < xray> singing, dancing?
16:54 <@Corydon76> Lip synching, dancing
16:54 < xray> any musical instruments
16:54 <@Corydon76> Nope
16:55 < K`Tetch> stage name?
16:55 < xray> Lip synching is harder than it looks
16:55 <@Corydon76> Christina Rae
16:55 < xray> I did juggling and comedy
16:55 < xray> last show was about 1990
16:56  * K`Tetch will have to ask Tony
16:56 <@Corydon76> Comedy sounds harder than juggling
16:56 <@Corydon76> Well, time for a conference call.
16:56 < K`Tetch> I find both hard
16:56 < K`Tetch> 10 years i've been trying ot juggle
16:56 < xray> The juggling is just and excuse to be on stage
16:57 < K`Tetch> 30 years i've tried to be funny...
16:57 < xray> you have to entertaining even without props
16:58 < K`Tetch> i watch a lot of uk panel shows, with a lot of comedians, and... I know I can probably do that, but i don't know if I could be quite so funny
17:12 < aestetix> K`Tetch: do you know of Innuendo Bingo?
17:12 < aestetix> I think that's more of a radio show thing
17:13 < K`Tetch> i do not, no
17:13 < aestetix> look it up, it's hilarious
18:18 < xray> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyNJD8Ewcjk
18:18 < PigBot> Title: Will Ferrell Innuendo Bingo - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/pqjcfkv
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