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06:22 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:38  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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09:36 <@shapr> brimstone: you coming to the msimpson farewell at cypress before?
09:37 <@Corydon76> Well, that's sad.  End of an era.  AOL Instant Messenger will sunset on December 15th.
09:38 <@brimstone> shapr: why are you asking in this channel?
09:38 <@shapr> er, why not?
09:38 <@brimstone> just seems kinda off topic
09:38 <@brimstone> but yes, that's my plan
09:38 <@shapr> oh, ok
10:09 < dc0de[m]> gmorning bitches and hoes... and Dolemite
10:27 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDmaPdyqGUU
10:27 < PigBot> Title: Michael Malice and Dave Rubin: America and North Korea (Full Interview) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/ycg5l3bb
10:28 < aestetix> this is one of the most fascinating interviews I've heard in a while
10:35 < dc0de[m]> aestetix: what makes it fascinating?
10:37 < aestetix> The guy has political views that are basically counter to most of what I hear in the western world
10:38 < aestetix> dc0de[m]: it's the difference between hearing someone challenged about Communism who was raised in the Soviet Union, versus one of the American anarchists who is communist because it's trendy
10:39 < aestetix> I also enjoy discussions between people who have very, very almost polar opposite views, but are both deeply thoughtful in their views
10:40 < aestetix> example, I would say 99% of what I hear about North Korea is mocking them and saying how the country is going to collapse, this guy has a *very* different view on it
10:40 < aestetix> (he's been to north korea several times and has now written a book about it)
10:40 < aestetix> And further, everyone I've seen who has been to North Korea is almost exclusively from europe or the US
10:41 < aestetix> This guy is from the USSR
10:41 < aestetix> dc0de[m]: hope that answers
10:41 < dc0de[m]> Here's my simple take.  If PRK is so shitty, how has it survived for this long? Simple, because the nation states around it don't want it...
10:41 < dc0de[m]> and that means they use it for something....
10:42 < aestetix> well the larger point is that there is a general gestalt that exists in American existence
10:42 < dc0de[m]> oh, that. I learned all about that in my early 20's overseas.
10:42 < aestetix> There are a lot of assumptions that Americans make about how the world is supposed to work, and you don't realize that until living in another country
10:42 < aestetix> yeah, I've learned a *lot* from Germany
10:43 < dc0de[m]> aestetix: and that's just the tip of the iceberg... so to speak
10:43 < aestetix> oh yeah
10:43 <@Dagmar> I would argue that it's because they _don't_ want North Korea
10:43 < aestetix> I "learned" more in 2 days in Moscow than in almost 3 years in Germany
10:43 <@Dagmar> Russia is pretty much the only place that has annexed another sizeable geographic area in quite some time
10:44 < aestetix> So like one point the guy makes, that I generally agree with
10:44 < dc0de[m]> Russia is pretty much the only place that has *successfully* annexed another sizeable geographic area in quite some time
10:44 < dc0de[m]> they tried and failed in Afghanistan
10:44 < aestetix> the US has gotten too large and bloated on the federal level, and it has inevitably lead to a stalemate
10:44 < dc0de[m]> and we created ISIS to stop them...
10:44 < aestetix> Congress is completely useless now.
10:44 < dc0de[m]> That's true too
10:45 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: since Iraq annexed Kuwait in 1991?
10:45 <@Dagmar> North Korea broke off from South Korea, so clearly South Korea didn't much care for them either
10:45 < aestetix> so for example, most Americans no longer vote, and are disengaged from politics except from the reality tv aspect
10:45 <@Dagmar> The place is a shithole
10:45 < aestetix> In large part it's because most control has been taken from them, and put into the federal government, which has become disfunctional
10:46 < dc0de[m]> aestetix: do you have skype installed?
10:46 < aestetix> And a few decades of useless politicians has driven that home
10:46 < dc0de[m]> or does anyone? I need to test my video/voice...
10:46 < dc0de[m]> jimnoble-us
10:46 < dc0de[m]> Trying the test service... but want to confirm the video.
10:46 <@Dagmar> You realize thet Kuwait is about as big half of East Tennessee, right?
10:47 <@Dagmar> It's about six Rhode Islands in size, which isn't saying much
10:49 < aestetix> dc0de[m]: but what's most interesting to me.... there are certain views in the US mainstream that are basically apostacy to express right now
10:49 < aestetix> And this guy doesn't care, because where he's from, if you expressed bad views, you were summarily killed by the secret police
10:49 < aestetix> So he doesn't have the same inhibitions.
10:49 < dc0de[m]> that's totally true...
10:49 < dc0de[m]> we use to not be a country of pussies.
10:50 < aestetix> Yes, but it raises the question "what are you afraid of"
10:50 < dc0de[m]> where we could speak our minds, and express our views without radicallizing everything into a binary decision
10:50 < aestetix> And for this guy, the standard is being murdered by the government. If that doesn't happen, then he has no fear.
10:50 < dc0de[m]> Me? I'm afraid of being poor, destitute, and a ward of the "state"
10:51 < aestetix> Well I'll give an example here of what happens in the US
10:51 < aestetix> Anyone remember Rachel Dolezai?
10:51 < aestetix> She was the "trans-racial" idiot who said she "transitioned" to being black
10:51 < dc0de[m]> yup, I remember
10:51 < aestetix> I recently saw a news article about her that even though she legally changed her name, she can't get a job anywhere.
10:52 < aestetix> And I suspect this guy's response would be "but you didn't get shot to death"
10:53 < aestetix> dc0de[m]: what's ironic is I can be very open around germans, but I have to be guarded around Americans who visit europe
10:53 < aestetix> it's like "don't mention the war" except it's every topic, because Americans are in general fucking histrionic pussies
10:53 < dc0de[m]> Agreed... I did love that I could immerse myself in another viewpoint, and then look through the eyes of another... it is a wonderful experience
10:54 < aestetix> yeah
10:54 < aestetix> *especially* if they are from east germany
10:55 < dc0de[m]> Well, I had the following experience in Germany... We were taught not to sit at the stammtich, and the first night out on the german town, I accidentially knocked down an old man coming from the stammtich.
10:55 < dc0de[m]> So, I bought them all a round of drinks and apologized profusely...
10:56 < dc0de[m]> three weeks later, we were invited to sit with the.
10:56 < dc0de[m]> them.
10:56 < dc0de[m]> and they told me that when they were little boys, they remember getting C-Rations from unknown US Soldiers during the war, and that's the only way that they survived.
10:56 < aestetix> heh
10:57 < dc0de[m]> So, they said, "While you sit with us, you don't pay for anything, becuase those soldiers payed your debts for you."
10:57 < aestetix> actually I can give an example of a cultural difference that is still wierd for me
10:57 < dc0de[m]> And every time i tell that story, I get chills, including now.
10:57 < aestetix> you know how you go to a bar, order a drink, and they say 5 bucks or whatever
10:57 < aestetix> you pay with tip and wander
10:57 < dc0de[m]> yup
10:58 < aestetix> in Berlin, you go to the bar, order a drink, take it and sit down... order the next drink, etc
10:58 < aestetix> at the end of the night, you go up, tell them the list of what you had, and pay then
10:58 < dc0de[m]> I know, they keep track differently.
10:58 < aestetix> dc0de[m]: you'll enjoy the video
10:59 < dc0de[m]> video?
10:59 < aestetix> the one I linked a bit ago :)
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14:43 < aestetix> you know what would be an interesting experiment
14:43 <@shapr> YES
14:43 < aestetix> have someone wear a Trump button, go to san francisco, and go to different stores and see what the service is like
14:43 < aestetix> hi shapr
14:43 <@shapr> but I need a bunch of beryllium
14:43 <@shapr> oh, that kind of experiment
14:44 < aestetix> well I was thinking about how there used to be restricted hotels that banned jews
14:44 < aestetix> and it seems that at least in the bay area, republicans have become the new jews
14:45 < aestetix> the classic movie Gentleman's Agreement is about this
14:46 < aestetix> where a journalist decides to "be" a jew for a week (or a month) to see how he gets treated
14:47 < aestetix> I mean I'm using SF as a poster child but tbqh most major cities that are full of 20somethings
15:49 <@Corydon76> Riiiiiight, because Republicans don't play the victim enough
15:49 <@Corydon76> Why don't you dress like a transgender woman and go to small towns across Alabama and see how long it is before you're killed.
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16:31 <@Dagmar> Depends on how good you are ata it
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19:43 <@Dagmar> BLeh
19:43 <@Dagmar> We just got done with the plumbers
19:43 <@Dagmar> We're just gonna go to the Chuy's at Shopryland for dinner
19:43 <@Dagmar> Sterling taps are shit.
19:44 <@Dagmar> Gonna drop artwork in every format imaginable into the slack before I go to bed
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