--- Log opened Mon Oct 02 00:00:08 2017 01:00 -!- remoford1 [~remo_lapt@c-68-52-35-32.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:31 < aestetix> K`Tetch: yes, but if the people voted, it's clearly something they want, and it shows that Spain no longer represents their interests. 02:32 < aestetix> There is no good outcome of this. I suspect the most likely outcome is a civil war in Spain, which is very bad 02:33 < aestetix> oh great a mass shooting in Las Vegas 02:47 < aestetix> "Catalan officials instead relied on privately printed ballots, and changed the voting rules an hour before polls were scheduled to open, to allow voters to cast a ballot at any poll station, without using an envelope and whether registered there or not." 02:47 < aestetix> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/01/world/europe/catalonia-independence-referendum.html 02:47 < PigBot> Title: Catalonia’s Independence Vote Descends Into Chaos and Clashes - The New York Times (at www.nytimes.com) http://tinyurl.com/yd5tc6kq 04:03 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:edae:c358:f0eb:7a20] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:22 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Just wait for people to post their support for Catalan 05:23 <@Dagmar> aestetix: When they do, check to see if they were any of the people calling Confederates "Traitors" 06:02 < aestetix> yep 06:03 < aestetix> shit this vegas thing is bad 06:04 < aestetix> ..... shouldn't all the NSA surveillance have caught this guy? 06:13 -!- k3ymkr [~KeyMaker@ec2-52-6-16-39.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:17 -!- k3ymkr [~KeyMaker@ec2-52-6-16-39.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #se2600 06:20 < aestetix> K`Tetch: on reflection, and looking at the facts, this seems like what would happen if the Bay Area decided to secede from the US 06:20 < aestetix> Except less passive aggressive :p 06:20 <@rattle> This situation in Vegas is unbelievable. What sort of sick fuck would do this.. 06:21 < aestetix> rattle: have they released any info? 06:21 < aestetix> I just saw that the guy was a local 06:21 <@rattle> They don't seem to know much yet. Most of the country just woke up to this.. 06:21 < k3ymkr> I saw his name 06:21 < aestetix> ahh got it 06:21 < k3ymkr> Like Stephen Paddock 06:22 < aestetix> Yeah today most of Germany has the day off 06:22 < aestetix> unification day is tomorrow, and everyone said "fuck working on the monday then" 06:23 < k3ymkr> He was 64 06:23 < aestetix> any links to terrorist groups? 06:23 <@rattle> Based on the sounds I'm hearing from this stuff on the news, this guy had some serious hardware. 06:23 <@rattle> The death toll from the injured is going to rise, significantly.. 06:24 < aestetix> yeah I checked a few hours ago and the death toll was 2 06:24 < aestetix> 2 too high, but now it's like 50 06:24 <@rattle> Sounds like 7.62.. AK's with cans or something like that.. 06:25 < k3ymkr> I haven't seen anything 06:25 < aestetix> it was at a concert 06:25 < aestetix> so this is like the Ariana Grande thing 06:25 <@rattle> This is in it's own class. 06:25 <@rattle> This is genuinely horrible. 06:25 < k3ymkr> They're saying they don't think it was an "Act of terror" 06:26 < aestetix> hey just because you don't like Grande's fans doesn't mean that wasn't awful too ;) 06:26 < k3ymkr> was NOT an "act of terror" 06:26 < k3ymkr> Sorry 06:26 <@rattle> Fucking crime against humanity.. Killing this many innocent people.. It's heart breaking. 06:27 < aestetix> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41466116 06:27 < PigBot> Title: Las Vegas shooting: 50 people killed in Mandalay Bay attack - BBC News (at www.bbc.com) http://tinyurl.com/yb3avlv4 06:27 < aestetix> The article makes numerous mentions of NV's lack of gun laws, so it's editorialized 06:28 < aestetix> I want to know 1. did the guy have known mental health issues 2. was he recently laid off a job or something 3. any ties to terrorist groups 06:29 < k3ymkr> I wouldn't say that's immaterial despite my belief in the 2nd ammendment 06:29 < k3ymkr> It definitely sounded like he was unloading a fully automatic into a crowd. 06:29 < aestetix> ah ok I think I misread part of the article, I thought they were repeating the line a few times 06:30 < aestetix> saying it once is contributing facts 06:30 < aestetix> saying it multiple times is editorializing 06:30 < k3ymkr> I'm not saying they weren't. I didn't read it :) 06:30 < cyberanger> I heard reports saying 90 round mags and full auto 06:30 <@rattle> This was fully automatic fire.. Whatever he had was illegal for basically anyone, even with FFL. 06:31 < aestetix> wow I just watched the video 06:31 < aestetix> that was scary 06:31 < cyberanger> Even with Nevada's lax stance (even by TN's standards) 06:31 <@rattle> This is really in it's own class.. 06:32 < cyberanger> (perhaps lax wasn't the right word, but you all know what I'm trying to say) 06:32 < k3ymkr> Yeah, I don't know Nevada's laws. If it's an illegal gun, it's a moot point 06:32 < aestetix> yep 06:32 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0CeJnVLXoY 06:32 < PigBot> Title: Las Vegas Shooting Live Coverage: At least 50 dead, 200 injured Near Music Festival - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/ybfq3yvo 06:33 < k3ymkr> Trump said he offers his warmest condolenses. Seems odd phrasing, but I can imagine a lot worse. 06:34 <@_NSAKEY> k3ymkr: At least he didn't use the words "both sides." 06:34 < aestetix> k3ymkr: I do not like trump, but there is a contingent for whom he can't do anything right, period 06:35 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 06:35 < k3ymkr> I've just never heard anyone say warm condolences...The phrasing is just off. 06:36 < k3ymkr> To me. Maybe it's a New England thing 06:36 < k3ymkr> Hey Dolemite 06:36 < cyberanger> I think it's a regional twist of warmest reguards + deepest condolences, I have heard it before. 06:37 < cyberanger> And now that you say that, while I wasn't in New England, I think the phrase was uttered by family friends from Boston. 06:38 <@rattle> He's from here in NYC. There's nothing to it other than his ability to express himself sucks. 06:38 <@rattle> Haven't you heart him talk? The piece of shit can't even construct a proper sentence. That's all there is to it. 06:39 < aestetix> But he knows words. He knows lots of words. 06:39 <@rattle> The best words. 06:39 <@rattle> This is a time I wish we could just lock him in a room somewhere. Anything he says about this is just going to be shallow and make me sad. 06:40 < k3ymkr> He needs the press to distract from PR. 06:40 < k3ymkr> Nevada's a real state anyways! 06:40 <@rattle> Who knows, maybe he'll be able to have a soul since this involved white people. 06:40 < cyberanger> You did not just say that 06:40 < cyberanger> Maybe this is our Port Arthur.... 06:41 < k3ymkr> We don't have such a thing 06:41 < k3ymkr> Sandy hook convinced me of that. 06:41 <@Dolemite> Did he finally twit about Las Vegas? 06:41 < k3ymkr> Yeah 06:41 < k3ymkr> And it was...good for him 06:41 <@Dolemite> The twit in chief, for sure 06:41 <@Dolemite> I'm sure he gave himself a+ marks for his effort 06:42 < k3ymkr> He didn't blame the crowd or dedicate a picture of himself to the victims or anything 06:42 < cyberanger> This is different than Sandy Hook, but overall I do agree with you k3ymkr. We just don't have that mindset here. 06:42 <@Dolemite> What they need is a trophy! 06:43 <@rattle> This is truly horrific. I'm leveled. 06:44 < aestetix> ok I am pretty upset that the american news orgs keep airing the videos of this 06:44 < aestetix> no disclaimer or anything 06:50 < aestetix> all I can say 06:50 < aestetix> the last time I was in the US, the tension was palpable 06:50 < aestetix> I can't imagine what it's like now 07:09 -!- skiboy [~skiboy@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/skiboy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:43 <@rattle> aestetix: It's not good. 08:46 -!- robogoat [~robogoat@163.172.136.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:47 -!- robogoat [~robogoat@163.172.136.88] has joined #se2600 09:12 < xray> I think I figured out a solution to the Python versioning problem. 09:12 < xray> on Windows 09:13 < xray> Haven't looked into Linux yet 09:14 < xray> Bending Windows to my will since 1987 09:14 < xray> bwhahahah 09:19 <@Dagmar> I don't wanna be "that guy" but this will certainly distract from looking into how much of a crook Trump is 09:23 < aestetix> xray: virtualenv? 09:27 < xray> no 09:27 < xray> I generally don't need to run different versions in parallel 09:28 < xray> I need a way to switch between versions or snapshots of versions if I'm testing module upgrades 09:28 < xray> and migrating my code base to a new version or new versions of modules 09:29 < xray> I have the same problem with Perl and have a solution for it 09:29 < xray> that I have been using for many years 09:29 < xray> I tried adapting it to Python and ran into issues between 2.x and 3.x and the way they integrate with Windows 09:30 < xray> I tried using a shared environment but there were to many collisions (like in the rgistry) to find a common set of that works across all versions 09:31 < xray> I was trying to make a portable version of python over the weekend 09:31 < xray> and ran into a problem with pip 09:31 <@Dagmar> Python kind of screwed people over by making an incompatible version and then only later providing guidance on how to select which version 09:32 < xray> It really didn't like me changing the path from the one it was installed under. 09:32 < xray> It turns out that pip (and probably other python execs under Windows) have the path written into the executable during install 09:32 < xray> (that is really evil programming) 09:33 < xray> I may have a way to fix that but it will require more research 09:33 <@Dagmar> No, they need a fixed search path 09:33 < xray> They use a search path 09:33 < xray> but some of the exes themselves have embeded paths 09:34 <@Dagmar> If you use a relative path you open the door to potential chicanery 09:34 < xray> There is a work around by launching the app with python itself 09:34 < xray> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/24627525/fatal-error-in-launcher-unable-to-create-process-using-c-program-files-x86 09:34 < PigBot> Title: Fatal error in launcher: Unable to create process using ""C:\Program Files (x86)\Python33\python.exe" "C:\Program Files (x86)\Python33\pip.exe"" - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com) http://tinyurl.com/y7c9ec4l 09:35 < xray> In the article it mentions the path being embeded in the exec 09:35 <@Dagmar> ABC finally disabled the damn news stream 09:35 < xray> WinPython may have a tool that can be used to change the embedded path 09:35 <@Dagmar> er chat stream 09:35 < xray> I'm looking into that 09:36 < xray> Did you read any of the chat stream 09:36 < xray> it was a troll fest 09:36 < xray> I just wanted to thank everyone who posted suggestions to the python problem 09:36 <@Dagmar> Yeah I wound up submitting feedback suggesting they turn the damn thing off if they weren't going to police the trolls 09:52 <@Dagmar> ...and today we learn that Trump reads on a fifth-grade level. 09:53 <@dasunt> Oh? 09:54 <@dasunt> I'm expecting to cringe for his speech about the Las Vegas shooting. 09:56 <@dasunt> Huh, the news is reporting that Trump did not go off script. 09:56 <@Dagmar> Yes. He read exactly what they told him to. 09:57 <@Dagmar> With all the skill of a 6th grader 09:57 <@dasunt> He's improving. 09:58 <@opticron> maybe he's demanding to write his own scripts? 09:59 <@dasunt> Or perhaps it's because those with dementia often do better in the morning... 09:59 <@mog> where is ben hiding 09:59 <@dasunt> So just to be an asshole, the only thing I've heard that even hints at a motive is that the guy had a lawsuit against the hotel he shot from. That's it. So far, I see no signs of this guys politics, left or right. 10:00 <@Dagmar> mog: Kind of busy at the moment so not really hiding 10:02 <@dasunt> Dagmar: Okay, listening to an excerpt - you are right, fifth grader. 10:13 < K`Tetch> wife got a promotion, was sent a new work computer friday 10:13 < K`Tetch> company paid $220 in shiping for the system and two monitors to get here Friday, wasn't allowed to boot it up until just now 10:14 < K`Tetch> just had to reorganise our entire office, since she now has to use a webcam 10:14 <@Dagmar> w00w00 10:15 < aestetix> nice 10:16 < K`Tetch> microtower and two 20" monitors, from dell 10:16 < K`Tetch> i5-6500 tho 10:21 < aestetix> K`Tetch: what do you think is going to be the outcome of the Catalan thing? 10:23 < K`Tetch> who can tell right now 10:23 < K`Tetch> probbly nothing 10:24 < K`Tetch> maybe some organisers will be charged 10:25 < K`Tetch> high-level ones 10:27 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:391c:47e4:a64d:4ed3] has joined #se2600 10:32 < aestetix> it's not going to end well for anyeon 10:33 <@Dagmar> I'm just waiting to see the people "supporting" it on Facebook 10:35 < aestetix> heh 10:39 <@Dagmar> Wow the LV sherrif is clearly affected by this 10:39 <@Evilpig> K`Tetch: did it come with a note "do not power on until monday" ? 10:43 <@Dagmar> jimmm: You stick command="/the/command/here yep" at the end of the line for the key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys, mainly 10:56 -!- crashcartpro [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jfshyzqsrvlkostc] has joined #se2600 11:03 <@dasunt> Well the turnout was only 46%, right? 11:03 * dasunt shrugs. 11:03 < aestetix> uh 11:04 < aestetix> Yes, it's hard to have a high turnout when the police are actively beating the people trying to go to vote 11:09 <@dasunt> Would the anti-Independence crowd have stayed away, tilting the results towards pro-independence? 11:10 <@Corydon76> 46% turnout is incredible by US standards 11:12 <@dasunt> 42% according to Wikipedia. 11:14 <@dasunt> It's weird because Spain is calling it an illegal referendum (which isn't unexpected), but as far as I know, by Catalan's own constitution, they need a 2/3rds majority in the Catalan parliament to change their status. 11:34 <@Dagmar> The media is just _desperate_ to be allowed to use the word "terrorism" 11:50 < k3ymkr> I didn't know you could put that syntax at the end. I've always done that at the beginning of my keys 11:55 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: focus groups know what words attract the most eyeballs 11:56 <@Corydon76> The Islamic State claiming credit, though, seems a bit premature. 11:56 <@Mirage> using perl to create a report file based on input. $filename = `basename $ARGV[0]` vs basename($ARGV[0]) ends up with ^J getting captured in the output. forgetting a chomp() makes for some very interesting files to access 11:56 <@Corydon76> They'll claim credit for just about anything plausible, though 11:57 <@Corydon76> Mirage: heh, yup 11:58 <@Corydon76> It's about on the same level of confusion when a filename has a space appended to it 11:58 <@Mirage> no, you can match a space with "\ ". I couldn't figure out how to match ^J, which shows as ? in the filename 11:59 <@Mirage> Finally discovered I could cat a wildcard to get the contents into a different file, then just whacked them all with a wilcard 11:59 < k3ymkr> With perl, chomp first, check later 12:00 <@Mirage> k3ymkr: it was an oversight.. normally any system command run and set to a variable gets chomped on the next line 12:02 <@Corydon76> Mirage: I generally let tab-completion take care of it 12:02 <@Corydon76> Unless you're not using bash 12:02 < xray> chomp is a bad idea in that is is not sensitive to the operating system differences 12:03 < xray> for instance in unix chomp will remove the newline 12:03 <@Mirage> Corydon76: it wouldn't 12:03 <@Dagmar> s/[\r\n]+$/g; 12:03 < xray> in windows it will remove the new line leaving the ct 12:03 < xray> cr 12:03 < xray> sorry I meant to say it will remove the cr in unix 12:03 <@Mirage> Dagmar: it wasn't a \r\n, though 12:04 <@Dagmar> It doesn't have to be 12:04 <@Corydon76> xray: it shouldn't. It's designed so that it's portable and can remove 2 characters if appropriate 12:04 < xray> I'm talking about the line ending differences based on the operating system the file was created on vs the one it is being processed on 12:04 <@Dagmar> I have yet to _ever_ see a case where it would be desirable to leave _either_ line terminator at the end of a line 12:04 < xray> chomp doesn't do that by default in perl 12:04 <@Dagmar> That regexp will yank both /r and /n, won't care in what order they appear or how often they appear. 12:04 < xray> exactly it isn;t 12:04 <@Corydon76> It's one of the differences between chop and chomp. 'chomp' should remove 0, 1, or 2 characters, depending upon the situation 12:05 <@Dagmar> It'll only care that they're at the end of the line and that they're not wanted. 12:05 < xray> in theory this is correct 12:05 < aestetix> ugh 12:05 < xray> but it missing things when suing files sourced from different operating systems 12:05 <@Corydon76> xray: it's the documented way, yes, so if it doesn't do that, it's a bug. 12:05 < xray> using 12:05 < aestetix> literally the moment I sat down to read a book, nagios alerts go off 12:06 < xray> LoL 12:06 < xray> isn't that just typical 12:06 <@Dagmar> If you've got either /r or /n appearing when they aren't supposed to be there, then it's already screwed up 12:06 <@Corydon76> The core Perl binary should do that unless you alter the variable at runtime. 12:06 <@Mirage> xray: you can leave windows out of the discussion in this instance 12:06 < xray> same here. I get a security alert as soon as I try to start working on a project 12:06 <@Corydon76> Or if you're messing around with a DOS file on Unix 12:07 <@Mirage> DOS->Unix is all the ^M crap..not ^J 12:07 < xray> I work in a VERY mixed environment 12:07 <@Dagmar> Chop and chomp are great, in theory 12:07 <@Corydon76> But yes, that's why I generally run the s/[\r\n]//g on lines 12:07 < k3ymkr> Yeah" unix2dos and dos2unix 12:07 <@Dagmar> When reading possibly crap files, yeah the regexp will actually get the job done in all cases 12:07 < xray> I use s/[\012\015]//g; 12:07 <@Dagmar> Just bind it to the end of the line 12:07 < xray> that removes all \r \n any where in the string 12:07 < aestetix> xray: it really is 12:08 <@Mirage> all this is great if we were talking about the CONTENT of a file..but I was referring to the NAME of the file. 12:08 < xray> which can break excel multi line cells 12:08 <@Dagmar> -print0 or gtof then 12:08 <@Dagmar> er gtfo 12:08 <@Corydon76> Mirage: in your case, you were dealing with the output of a command 12:08 < xray> so you can do s/[\012\015]\z//g 12:08 < k3ymkr> Or chomp :) 12:08 <@Dagmar> Filenames are totally allowed to contain both \r and \n 12:08 <@Corydon76> And didn't properly gank the newline 12:08 < k3ymkr> I think Mirage knows what to do here 12:09 <@Mirage> Corydon76: that created a file with the control character in the name 12:09 <@Corydon76> Right, so you essentially have to deal with it with another script 12:09 <@Corydon76> Mirage: or did you use the Ctrl-V trick on the command line? 12:10 <@Corydon76> Ctrl-V Ctrl-J inserts a literal Ctrl-J character onto the command line. 12:10 <@Mirage> but any way that I attempted to pass filenames to/through a script resulted in the filename being evaluated and the ^J causing a break in the name and the script not being able to match anything with sed, etc 12:11 <@Corydon76> Mirage: that's when you use readdir and unlink natively 12:11 <@Dagmar> -Q 12:11 <@Corydon76> Assuming you knew at that point that it was there. 12:12 <@Corydon76> If you don't know it's there, and you're trying to deal with it, I agree that it's confounding 12:12 <@Dagmar> We used to have to use -Q all the time because of the control characters warez sites would put in filenames to hide them 12:12 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: -Q to what? 12:12 <@Dagmar> To ls 12:12 <@Corydon76> Ah 12:12 <@Dagmar> It makes it quote filenames 12:13 <@Dagmar> THere's several different quoting options, and generally lets you get a filename that is actually able to be copy-pasted 12:13 <@Mirage> Dagmar: I already whacked the files and fixed the glitch, so i can't test that now 12:14 <@Corydon76> The other tactic I've used in the past was to create a new directory, moved everything I was able to catch, and then 'rm -rf' the directory with the otherwise undeletable file 12:14 <@Dagmar> Regular glob input is usually safe, but one has to be careful to ensure the filename never touches a context where it'll be evaluated or interpolated 12:14 < xray> I'm not familiar with ^J. What character does that map to. CR? 12:14 <@Corydon76> xray: NL 12:14 <@Dagmar> page feed IIRC 12:14 <@Corydon76> CR is ^M 12:15 < k3ymkr> 012 10 0A LF '\n' (new line) 12:15 < xray> AH 12:15 < xray> thanks 12:15 <@Corydon76> ^J is the Unix line terminator. ^M is for Mac, and the combination ^J^M is for DOS/Windows 12:15 < k3ymkr> J is the 10th letter 12:15 < xray> Now I get it. 12:15 < k3ymkr> 015 13 0D CR '\r' (carriage ret) 12:16 < xray> That is why vi shows a DOS file ending and ^M 12:16 < k3ymkr> M being the 13th 12:16 <@Corydon76> The other fun character to embed in filenames is ^@ 12:16 < xray> the ^J is not shown because it is the UNIX line terminator 12:16 < xray> what is ^@ 12:16 <@Corydon76> NUL 12:16 <@Mirage> if you do an `ls` it shows as '?" 12:17 <@Mirage> ^J == '?' 12:17 < xray> didn't know that eather 12:17 <@Dagmar> Check your LS_OPTIONS 12:17 <@Dagmar> -q has been added 12:17 <@Corydon76> A null in a filename will get you all sorts of nasty letters from C programmers 12:17 <@Dagmar> A null in a filename is not allowed 12:17 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: heheheh 12:17 <@Dagmar> open will generally come back with an error 12:17 < xray> this shows all the control characters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_character 12:17 < PigBot> Title: Control character - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/m8spfyn 12:18 <@Corydon76> Sometimes 12:18 <@Corydon76> This hearkens back to C-strings vs P-strings 12:19 <@Corydon76> C-strings are NUL-terminated. P-strings are length-encoded. 12:20 <@Corydon76> On kernels written in Pascal, you could embed a NULL character in a filename 12:20 < xray> There was an interesting CVE related to NUL. Can't remember if it was DNS certificate related. 12:20 < xray> or both 12:20 <@Corydon76> You just were limited to 255 character filenames 12:21 <@Corydon76> I believe the way that deleted files were notated in the system catalogue were to set the length to 0. 12:22 <@Corydon76> Arcane knowledge.... 12:22 <@Dagmar> xray: cert-related 12:22 <@Dagmar> The filesystem layer will generally tell you to f**k off if you try and create a filename with a null in it 12:23 <@Dagmar> That and backslash are the only two forbidden characters 12:23 < xray> depends on the file api you use 12:23 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: I think you mean forward slash 12:23 <@Corydon76> Since forward slash is used to delimit pathnames 12:23 < xray> IIRC there are three on Windows 12:24 < xray> all with different limitations 12:24 <@Corydon76> Yesteryear Macs allowed slashes in filenames because the directory delimiter was colon. 12:24 <@Dagmar> Yeah. Cold meds 12:24 <@Dagmar> I am actually worse than I was yesterday 12:24 <@Dagmar> xray: You can really wreak some havoc by leveraging those differences in Windows too 12:24 < xray> That is why Macs can create what appear to be invalid file names on Windows servers 12:24 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: sorry to hear that you're suffering. Sudafed, I'm guessing? 12:25 < xray> Dagmar: totally agree 12:25 <@Corydon76> Pseudoephedrine, the only good OTC stuff? 12:25 <@Dagmar> I'm downing dxm, aspirin, and psuedoephidrine 12:25 < xray> and then there are alternate data streams 12:26 < xray> so what is the question 12:26 < xray> How to create file name/path with nul or / in the name? 12:26 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: DXM will fuck you up, and I'm not convinced there's a benefit to that drug 12:27 <@Dagmar> xray: diddle the directory data directly 12:27 <@Dagmar> Corydon76: It stops the coughing, which is what I need 12:28 < xray> I assume you mean other than doing a binary edit of the disc. 12:29 < xray> It also differs depending on the files system. FAT, FAT32, exFAT, NTF#, NTFS 5 12:29 < xray> s/NTF#/NTFS/ 12:31 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: just wanted to point out that Cochrane reviews suggest that cough suppressants perform no better than placebo. 12:31 < xray> under NTFS some files are actually stored in the NFT 12:31 < xray> MFT 12:33 <@dasunt> 58 dead now in Vegas. 12:36 -!- shapr [~shapr@haskell/developer/shapr] has joined #se2600 12:36 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o shapr] by ChanServ 12:36 <@shapr> hallo, I have a phreaknic related question, is this the best channel? 12:37 <@shapr> _NSAKEY: salut, comment allez vous? 12:40 < xray> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa365247(v=vs.85).aspx 12:40 < PigBot> Couldn't snarf url: HTTP Error 404: Not Found. http://tinyurl.com/jeakj3u 12:40 < xray> Naming Files, Paths, and Namespaces 12:40 <@shapr> hey xray, is this where I ask about phreaknic? 12:40 <@shapr> I want to propose a semi-official conference badge for PhreakNIC 21 12:41 < xray> yes 12:41 < xray> shapr: yes 12:41 < xray> se2600 hosts phreaknic 12:41 <@shapr> xray: will you be there this year? 12:41 < xray> As far as I know there isn't a channel just for phreaknic 12:41 <@shapr> I've already purchased a badge and agreed to run lightning talks again 12:41 < xray> probably not 12:42 < xray> still mobility restricted 12:42 < xray> missed dragon con as a result 12:42 <@shapr> but I want to suggest a standard hardware config for the phreaknic 21 badge, and people can bring their own and download firmware alphas/betas while we're building it 12:42 < xray> getting better though 12:42 <@shapr> what happened? 12:42 <@shapr> xray: the bear finally got you? 12:43 < xray> cumulative result of 4 spine surgeries 12:43 < xray> but at least I can walk 12:43 < xray> and I'm not in crippling pain 12:43 < xray> well mostly not in crippling pain 12:43 <@shapr> yeesh 12:43 <@shapr> bear might have been more fun 12:44 < xray> LoL 12:44 < xray> I'm glad I didn't have a mouth full of coffee when you said that 12:44 <@shapr> :-) 12:44 < xray> I can walk up to a half mile now at one time 12:45 <@shapr> man, that's rough 12:45 < xray> beats a dirt nap 12:45 <@shapr> that's the truth 12:45 < xray> which I almost had 12:45 <@shapr> yikes! 12:45 < xray> they managed to revive me 12:45 <@shapr> were you in a wreck or something? 12:45 <@shapr> wtf 12:45 < xray> woke up on a ventilator 12:46 < xray> no, degenerative spine disease. Had complications after the last surgery. 12:46 <@shapr> huh, well... beats being dead, as you mentioned 12:46 <@shapr> so who's the leadership for phreaknic this year? 12:46 < xray> a bone spur poke a hole in the dura of my spinal cord so my spinal fluid leaked out and the nerves ruptured through the hole. 12:47 <@shapr> oh man, that's bad 12:47 < xray> The pain was really really really bad 12:47 <@shapr> cerebrospinal fluid is very important for brain function 12:47 < xray> not to mention your brain doesn't work without CSF 12:47 <@shapr> like I said 12:47 < xray> exactly 12:47 < xray> They thought I had meningitis. 12:48 <@shapr> huh, that would make sense 12:48 < xray> I took a week to get me stable enough to get an MRI, find the problem and then get emergency surgery. 12:48 <@shapr> geez 12:48 < xray> That was a year and a half ago 12:48 <@shapr> now that's a bad time 12:49 < xray> Apparently the pain I'm having now is due to nerve regeneration and further deterioration 12:49 < xray> but we seem to have it under control (sort of) 12:49 < xray> I hope to return to the office eventually 12:50 < xray> Then I can try a local con to see if I can tolerate all the physical activity 12:50 <@shapr> sensible 12:50 <@shapr> phreaknic is almost local 12:50 < xray> I have been talking with _NSAKEY about NetKotH. 12:50 <@shapr> oh yeah! 12:51 < xray> He has done some great work over the last year so the phreaknic ctf should be a lot of fun this year. 12:51 < xray> I'm learning python so I will be able to build an improved scoring engine 12:52 <@shapr> oh good! 12:52 <@shapr> I teach python classes 12:52 <@shapr> I taught one at freeside this past weekend 12:54 < xray> In that case I may ping you if I have any questions. 12:54 <@shapr> yeah,, I've been writing Python for money for 15+ years 12:54 < xray> Is phreaknic planning on having an electronic badge this year. 12:54 <@shapr> I am planning for phreaknic to have an electronic badge this year 12:55 <@shapr> my planning for this started at about 11am today 12:55 <@shapr> but the day is not over, so it's not official yet 12:55 < xray> shapr: I'll have to get with you offline about my efforts to make Phyton portable on Windows. 12:55 < xray> Python 12:55 <@shapr> Python is already portable 12:55 <@shapr> unless you do something OS specific 12:55 < xray> Ah. OK I thought they had already announced one and I missed it. 12:56 <@shapr> no, but if I have my way, that will happen today. 12:56 < xray> so you also do hardware design? 12:56 <@shapr> not really 12:56 < xray> I used to. 12:56 <@shapr> I want to propose http://adafru.it/3333 12:56 < PigBot> Title: Circuit Playground Express [Developer Edition] ID: 3333 - $24.95 : Adafruit Industries, Unique & fun DIY electronics and kits (at adafru.it) http://tinyurl.com/ydd3p9np 12:56 <@shapr> and a lipo battery, and a magnetic pin back 12:57 < xray> Thats not a bad idea 12:57 < xray> could also use it to do POV 12:57 < xray> also might be able to trade data between them using LEDs 12:57 <@shapr> you can! 12:58 <@shapr> those boards have IR built-in 12:58 <@_NSAKEY> The stuff that finds its way to my inbox is hysterical. 12:58 <@_NSAKEY> Can you get me customer data from a website? I can provide the URL. I need basic customer data like Name, Email, Phone (Optional), etc. 12:58 <@_NSAKEY> I can pay with bitcoin. 12:58 < xray> that maniacal cackling you year is me. 12:58 <@_NSAKEY> Thanks. 12:58 <@shapr> _NSAKEY: howdy! I'm the guy who's signed up to organized the lightning talks, you may remember me from phreaknics past 12:59 <@_NSAKEY> shapr: I do. 12:59 <@shapr> oh good 12:59 <@_NSAKEY> I was the one who DMed you a while back. 12:59 <@shapr> anyway, I had this idea to use the adafruit circuit playground express for a defcon style badge for phreaknic this year 12:59 <@shapr> ok, cool 13:00 <@_NSAKEY> I honestly don't know how that would play, but feel free to send the idea to board@nashville2600.org. 13:00 <@shapr> anyway, I think it'd be fun to suggest that attendees bring one of their own circuit playground express, and contribute to the badge code 13:00 <@shapr> ok, I'll send an email 13:01 <@shapr> ml256 just put together an order for ten or more boards and lipos, etc 13:01 < xray> The Circuit Playground Express is awesome 13:01 < xray> That could be the basis of all kinds of fun 13:01 <@_NSAKEY> I had to get something via adafruit recently, but couldn't order directly from adafruit. 13:01 <@shapr> we'll start building some kind of code for conference interactions 13:01 <@_NSAKEY> They didn't like my address. 13:01 <@shapr> _NSAKEY: why so? 13:01 <@shapr> that's odd 13:01 < xray> So you're talking about making it the standard badge and then people can develop code for it and trade 13:01 <@_NSAKEY> I use a commercial remailer for everything, and adafruit auto-blocks them from ordering stuff for fraud reasons. 13:02 <@shapr> huh, that's odd 13:02 <@shapr> xray: right 13:02 < xray> I like it. 13:02 < xray> Takes all the pain out of designing a new badge every year. 13:02 <@shapr> the biggest selling point for me is the two forward facing IR LEDs, TX and RX 13:02 <@_NSAKEY> Yeah, I don't normally encounter that. It was just a $10 USB-TTL cable. I got the same one off Amazon for a few pennies more. 13:02 < xray> can have a competition every year for best new software 13:03 <@shapr> I haven't tested range or spread, but I'll try that this week 13:03 < xray> I wonder if we can make a CTF with it 13:03 <@shapr> huh, how? 13:03 <@shapr> xray: I like this idea, but have no ideas 13:04 < xray> a web page with command injection that is accessible via the IR is an idea that comes to mind. 13:05 < xray> another possibility is a Pi Zero with a hat for leds, switches, and IR 13:05 < xray> Then you can host a full on CTF 13:06 < xray> brimstone has been working on hosting a CTF using RPis 13:06 <@shapr> I have no idea how that could work, but it sounds really cool 13:06 <@shapr> _NSAKEY: I'll send an email in the next day or two 13:06 <@_NSAKEY> xray: That's not a bad idea, but how does he handle resets? 13:06 < xray> that is an issue and I know he is working on that 13:07 <@brimstone> _NSAKEY: containers 13:07 < xray> The adafruit card has a photo sensor. 13:07 <@_NSAKEY> I'm still a big fan of fatter VMs. I like having my own kernel and libc. 13:07 < xray> If it can distinguish the colors of the leds you could do parallel morse code 13:08 <@brimstone> you can have your own libc with containrs 13:08 <@_NSAKEY> brimstone: I'm still traumatized by the horror that was OpenVZ. 13:08 < xray> We are looking for less hardware intensive approaches to get CTFs in hichschools 13:08 < xray> highschools 13:08 <@Dagmar> Well, RPIs are a good place to start 13:08 <@brimstone> xray: docker is waaaaay better than openvz 13:09 < xray> it was _NSAKEY who mentioned openvx 13:09 <@brimstone> xray: sorry, screenscroll got me 13:10 < xray> no problem 13:10 <@_NSAKEY> I'm thinking in future years, I might switch from the DL360s to something half-depth like R410s. 13:10 <@_NSAKEY> Then put it all in pelican cases off of ebay. 15:21 <@rattle> Tom Petty is dead. 15:21 <@rattle> I don't believe it.. 15:31 <@shapr> :-( 15:42 <@Corydon76> rattle: he Don't Come Around Here No More 15:43 * rattle triggered. 16:02 < aestetix> you know 16:02 < aestetix> it just occurred to me.... 16:03 < aestetix> In ancient times, if you were a sailor on a ship, and you saw the jolly roger flag of pirates about to invade you 16:03 < aestetix> Is that technically an ancient version of a trigger warning? 16:05 <@Corydon76> No, that would be a trigger 16:05 <@Corydon76> Trigger warning would be learning about the flag on dry land, before you set out to sea 16:09 <@Mirage> rattle: UPDATE: 4:45 p.m. ET ― TMZ reports that Tom Petty has been taken off life support on a do not resuscitate order but has not yet died. A rep for the LAPD declined to confirm his death to HuffPost 16:29 < aestetix> so in conclusion 16:29 < aestetix> let's hope tuesday is better 16:30 < aestetix> because monday has sucked 16:35 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:391c:47e4:a64d:4ed3] has quit [] 17:17 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:391c:47e4:a64d:4ed3] has joined #se2600 18:05 < dc0de[m]> And being triggered would be when you run away from a child holding a Jolly Roger, screaming that your rights are being violated. 18:21 < K`Tetch> 11:39:58 «@Evilpig» K`Tetch: did it come with a note "do not power on until monday" ? <-- no, the email instructions she was sent last thursday did. 19:22 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:391c:47e4:a64d:4ed3] has quit [] 20:25 -!- remoford1 [~remo_lapt@c-68-52-35-32.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 22:59 -!- dc0de [6294da9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.148.218.155] has joined #se2600 23:01 < dc0de> woot 23:08 -!- dc0de [6294da9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.148.218.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] --- Log closed Tue Oct 03 00:00:09 2017