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06:30 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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06:44  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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09:32 <@Dagmar> ffs
09:33 <@Dagmar> BeamanAuto just sent me an email to let me know that they're pleased that I am _now_ registered to use their real-time, online, service scheduling solution.
09:34 <@Dagmar> Nevermind that I used it some months ago to schedule an appointment for an oil change.
09:34 <@Dagmar> The email contained a username, which is like my email address (which I was using before) but there's two random numbers wedged into the middle of it for no reason I can see other than to make it hard to remember.
09:35 <@Dagmar> The email also contained a password, in plaintext mind you, which was 'service' and is probably the same for every user of the system
09:35 <@Dagmar> ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME
09:35 <@Dagmar> WHAT.  THE ACTUAL.  FUCK>
09:36 <@Dagmar> So... that's the new hipster thing now?  Passwords don't necessarily need to be secret, and usernames now need to be "a little" secret or some shit?
09:37 <@Dagmar> I think I'm entirely justified in being a little offended by this shit
09:38 <@Corydon76> Ah, Beaman:  the entire reason why we don't have effective mass transit in Nashville.
09:38 <@Corydon76> Lee Beaman has made it his personal mission to block local efforts at the state level
09:38 <@Dolemite> Corydon76: FYI, if you were serious about ordering some BSA popcorn, there's free shipping on all orders through tomorrow.
09:40 <@Corydon76> I saw the post; I'll look into it.
09:41 <@Dagmar> Well, I dunno if it's good or bad that I'm having some bronchial/cold issues this morning, because I suspect I'll publicly chewing some ass about this idiocy later todya
09:41 <@Dagmar> Mainly it depends on what their service manager says back to me
09:42 <@Dagmar> If it's something stupid, then I'll roast them alive
09:42 <@Dagmar> There is literally a _stack_ of things wrong with that email
09:43 <@Dagmar> Just that I can look at it and determine that probably every damn user account on it is using the same "password" is pissing me off
09:51 < cordless_> Corydon76: ? Maybe I've been out of the politics of Nashville for too long..
09:52 < xray> I'm diving into Python. Is there anyone here who can talk about versioning?
09:52 < xray> not 2.x vs 3.x
09:53 <@brimstone> probably, what's up xray?
09:54 <@Corydon76> cordless_: the owner of the biggest car dealership in middle Tennessee views public transit as a threat to his empire
09:54 < aestetix> xray: avoid the python community at all costs
09:55 < cordless_> Corydon76: Makes sense. Speaking of public transit.. apparently the city of Mount Juliet hasn't been paying their dues for the train..
09:55 <@Corydon76> They owed interest payments?
09:58 < cordless_> Corydon76: http://tennesseestar.com/2017/09/22/rta-mt-juliet-not-paying-for-music-city-star-commuter-rail-service/
09:58 < PigBot> Title: RTA: Mt. Juliet Not Paying for Music City Star Commuter Rail Service Tennessee Star (at tennesseestar.com) http://tinyurl.com/y85zzcyh
10:00 < xray> sorry had to go afk for an emergency
10:00 < xray> avoiding python is not an option professionally
10:01 < xray> may of the tools I use require being able to code in python
10:01 < xray> I'm trying to get up to speed
10:03 < xray> It appears that when you run a python program there is little or no compatibility issues between 3.6.1 and 3.6.2
10:03 < xray> but there is between 3.3.x and 3.6.x
10:04 < xray> The installers only differentiate between 3.x versions
10:04 < xray> same for 2.x
10:04 <@Corydon76> I think that's why scripts are given to specifying python version in the she-bang
10:04 < cordless_> xray: 3.3.x and 3.6.x, compatibility issues with respect to?
10:05 < xray> yes but only to the level of 3.x not 3.x.x
10:05 <@Corydon76> cordless_: they changed core syntax and features
10:05 < cordless_> ah
10:05 <@Corydon76> In effect, it's not the same language, but a similar one.
10:05 < xray> I'm just getting into Python so I only have Perl to compare it to
10:05 < xray> scripts in perl can break between 5.16.1 and 5.16.3
10:06 < cordless_> brb
10:06 <@Corydon76> I never noticed, but most of our scripts here are coded to 5.6 standards.
10:06 < xray> So when installing Perl I can differentiate between version down to 5.x.x
10:07 <@Corydon76> That said, I think we're now running 5.24
10:07 < xray> I periodically migrate my perl code to a new release
10:07 < xray> sorry have to go afk for an emergency
10:16 < xray> I'm back
10:16 < xray> so I need to run multiple versions of perl in parallel
10:18 < xray> 5.6.1, 5.10.1, 5.16.1
10:18 < xray> and switch between them to run code as I migrate
10:18 < xray> I can still do production work by switch back to an earlier version for a script that hasn't been migrated.
10:19 < xray> occasionally there may be package that is not available in the new version of perl. If the program is still needed it will have to recoded with a different package.
10:20 < xray> I'm anticipating similar issues with Python however that may be an unfounded concern
10:20 < k3ymkr> Well, Python has much better ways to make modular silos for different versions
10:21 < xray> Python can have 2.6 and 2.7 installed in parallel but not 2.6.1, 2.6.2, 2.7.1, and 2.7.2
10:21 < xray> I may be straining at a gnat
10:21 < xray> and it doesn't matter in pyton
10:21 < xray> python
10:21 < xray> digging through docs now but thought I might ask and shortcut days of digging
10:22 < xray> Reading this now
10:22 < xray> https://docs.python.org/devguide/devcycle.html
10:22 < PigBot> Title: 18. Development Cycle Python Developers Guide (at docs.python.org) http://tinyurl.com/qd3pgu9
10:24 < xray> From what the page is saying 3.x releases are feature releases and would require testing between say 3.5 and 3.6
10:24 < xray> but 3.6.x is a micro release and is for bug fixes only and would not require testing in the same way
10:25 < xray> so I could safely upgrade from 3.6.1 to 3.6.5 with no worries
10:30 < xray> I think the page I referenced answers the question officially but there is a difference between what they intend to do and what happens in practice.
10:31 < xray> I will come up with a plan to resolve an upgrade between micro versions like 3.6.x breaking things
11:12 <@Dagmar> So they're formalizing the usual GNU methodology for versioning?
11:13 <@Dagmar> I suppose the 2.x-3.x debacle got their attention focused enough
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14:18 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmNz2jGzsDA
14:18 < PigBot> Title: UNDERCOVER IN ANTIFA: Their Tactics and Media Support Exposed! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/yahzm372
14:18 < aestetix> This is scary.
14:18 < aestetix> Probably one of the scariest things I've seen in years.
14:19 < K`Tetch> here's a story we ran thats right up your alley, aestetix - https://torrentfreak.com/daily-stormer-termination-haunts-cloudflare-in-online-piracy-case-170929/
14:20 < aestetix> nice!
14:24 < aestetix> But holy fuck the American media is broken.
14:45 <@Dagmar> Blame advertisers
14:46 < aestetix> So traditional media is dying, they are only kept afloat by their advertisers, who are increasingly pressuring them on what stories to cover?
14:47 <@Corydon76> No, blame James O'Keefe and the anti-abortion activists.  After it was revealed their videos were heavily edited, no sane media organization is going to take a tape from a conservative activist.
14:47 < aestetix> Corydon76: in the video I just showed, the undercover photage helped the police.
14:48 < aestetix> So it's good enough for the police but not for the media?
14:48 <@Corydon76> You think the police charged the activists on the basis of the tape alone, or that they did their own investigation and treated the video merely as a tip?
14:49 < aestetix> Plus, isn't one of the tenets of journalism to reach out to people who are in siad videos and get their side of thes tory?
14:49 < aestetix> There's a difference bwteeen a video being ancillary and being disregarded.
14:49 <@Corydon76> The tenet of journalism is to get the story, unfiltered by agendas
14:50 < aestetix> Ok. Please tell me which media outlet currently runs stories unfiltered by agendas.
14:50 <@Corydon76> The Nazis used to take journalists on media tours, showing them what they wanted them to see.
14:50 < aestetix> Ok, godwinned.
14:51 <@Corydon76> Remember William Shirer?
14:51 <@Corydon76> He went on one such junket, and then interviewed someone on the scene that wasn't part of the Nazi media campaign, and got the real story.
14:52 <@Corydon76> I'm not comparing anyone to Hitler; I'm illustrating a point about journalism
14:52 <@Corydon76> The point is, you don't take what a partisan gives you and think that's the story.
14:53 <@Corydon76> I know some media outlets are fond of republishing press releases, but that's not what journalism is
14:56 <@Dagmar> ...and we get this half-assery because media outlets mainly only care about what advertisers think of the quality of their reporting.
14:57 <@Corydon76> Eh, advertisers could care less about quality.  What they don't want to be in the fray when a controversy about false reporting erupts
14:57 <@Corydon76> And what that means is they like reporting that doesn't need to be retracted 5 days later, because some producer screwed up
14:58 <@Corydon76> And they don't like it when their ad runs during a show when a news host says something completely outrageous
15:00 <@Corydon76> They're very conservative in the traditional sense.  No Rocking The Boat!
15:08 <@Dagmar> Unfortunately people are far more likely to complain to advertisers when a viewpoint they find "offensive" is aired, rather than just because the reporting itself is shit.
15:12 <@Corydon76> Eh, reporting that tends to hew to a particular partisan viewpoint is generally shit... there's just other reasons reporting can also be shit.
15:12 <@Dagmar> Publishing articles basically _handed_ to the reporter generally qualifies
15:13 <@Dagmar> ...and we've seen from the flak Google kept taking about the wifi scanning that there's loads of media people ready and willing to do just that, even when the "story" comes from a PR firm
15:13 <@Dagmar> ...paid for by _Facebook_.
15:14 <@Corydon76> Agreed
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