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02:45 < aestetix> <vent>
02:46 < aestetix> I hate these fucking programmer newbs who freak out when you manually ssh into a system to check something
02:46 < aestetix> I guess they were taught in school that logging into servers is bad and scary
02:46 < aestetix> </vent>
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04:39 <@_NSAKEY> aestetix: I've heard of devoops (not a typo) centric companies that require a ticket to be opened before sshing into a misbehaving VM is allowed.
04:55 < aestetix> I ran into an issue where I wanted to see if a firewall was set up, so I logged in and did iptables -L
04:56 < aestetix> this dev saw me do that and went into this whole "you shouldn't log into systems" drama
05:04 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eYwddllFUY
05:04 < PigBot> Title: Hiring a Social Justice Warrior - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/h4kst23
05:11 <@_NSAKEY> aestetix: Developers are animals, and most of them have rabies.
05:15 < aestetix> wtf
05:15 < aestetix> why does systemd just ignore /etc/default
05:15 <@_NSAKEY> aestetix: You'd be amazed at all the little antipatterns systemd has introduced.
05:16 < aestetix> and all the forums I see are full of systemd bigots saying "you should just do it the systemd way"
05:16 <@_NSAKEY> An example from the desktop world: Apparently, there's some way of installing/updating the NVIDIA blob driver that doesn't actually work. I had to explain to a co-worker that he needed to boot into single user and execute the .run file. He was amazed that it worked, and wanted to know how I knew to do that.
05:17 <@_NSAKEY> My response: "I learned before Jesus Poettering afflicted us with his religious beliefs."
05:19 <@_NSAKEY> I think we're all doomed to deal with systemd unless something running OpenRC really takes off, or Linus gets pissed enough to write his own init system, which everyone will then eventually adopt, because Linux Torvalds.
05:19 <@_NSAKEY> s/Linux/Linus/
05:20 <@_NSAKEY> That's the outcome I'm hoping for, personally, because The Linus vs Lennart flame wars will be hilarious, at the very least.
05:32 < aestetix> FUCK YES
05:32 < aestetix> https://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-founder-launches-anonymous-domain-registration-service-170419/
05:32 < PigBot> Title: Pirate Bay Founder Launches Anonymous Domain Registration Service - TorrentFreak (at torrentfreak.com) http://tinyurl.com/mp5sdoq
06:25 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:23  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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07:41 < aestetix> hahaha
07:41 < aestetix> Trump went on another twitter rant
08:10 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0HE9Cav4kk
08:10 < PigBot> Title: Hillary Clinton demonstrates "alternative nostril breathing" during interview promoting her new book - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/ya7lfewc
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08:24 <@rattle> Dagmar: Ooooooouch
08:38 <@Dolemite> My poor little 1 LTC :(
08:39 <@Dolemite> That's ok, I considered it gambling money to begin with
08:39 <@Dolemite> If I'd spent it on a steak, I'd have shat it out by now.
08:43 < aestetix> ok honest question
08:43 < aestetix> does Sarah Palin actually have a fan base?
08:43 <@Dolemite> A small one, but yes.
08:43 < aestetix> I keep seeing her coming out to support candidates.... which seems like it makes no sense
08:44 <@rattle> She doesn't have any real political influence, but there are enough people who take her seriously for her to squeak some revenue out of it.
08:44 < aestetix> in the meantime
08:44 < aestetix> http://www.nbc29.com/story/36351919/black-lives-matter-group-covers-uva-jefferson-statue-lists-demands
08:45 < PigBot> Title: Black Lives Matter, Group Covers UVA Jefferson Statue, Lists Dem - NBC29 WVIR Charlottesville, VA News, Sports and Weather (at www.nbc29.com) http://tinyurl.com/ydyajkwg
08:45 < aestetix> Looks like they are in fact wanting to take down other statues now
08:46 < aestetix> The US really makes no sense anymore.
08:52 < cordless_> aestetix: the US hasn't made sense in a long time unfortunately :\
08:53 < aestetix> I'm detatched enough that I find this stuff hilarious
08:54 < cordless_> Must be nice :\. Maybe I'll just move to Thailand like my wife wants to :D
08:54 <@Evilpig> I'm still blaming all of this shit on social media
08:55 < aestetix> I still find it absolutely hilarious that Milo is now taking revenge on Berkeley by lining up all the most hated republican speakers and bringing them to speak
08:55 < cordless_> Evilpig: I think that assessment isn't too far off at all..
08:56 < cordless_> aestetix: How long can you reside in Germany?
08:56 < aestetix> as long as the government lets me
08:56 <@Evilpig> we gave these dullards an easy way to mass communicate their ridiculous ideas while simultaneously helping them amplify their voice to find other like minded morons.  So what would have once gone away due to lack of momentum is now encouraged to happen
08:56 < aestetix> I actually have to renew my visa in a couple months
08:57 < cordless_> The essence of the question - VISA on arrival I assume
08:57 < aestetix> cordless_: yeah, upon arrival you get the Schengen visa
08:57 < cordless_> I know they only let me stay in Japan for around 6 months.. without a SOFA stamp in my passport
08:57 < aestetix> but then I got a work visa that lasts 2 years
08:57 < cordless_> ah
08:57 < aestetix> and that is running out, so I get to go to the Ausländerbehörde again
08:58 < cordless_> How's the general feeling towards American's in Germany?
08:58 < cordless_> Americans**
08:59 < aestetix> They view it as a hilarious reality tv show
08:59 < cordless_> Well... from the outside... if you have no vested interest, I can see that
08:59 < aestetix> yep
08:59 < aestetix> and I've started to as well, it's all hilarious
08:59 < aestetix> but this is because none of it affects me
09:00 < cordless_> It's just depressing
09:00 <@_NSAKEY> aestetix: If your visa renewal gets denied, does that mean you can attend PhreakNIC?
09:00 < aestetix> lol
09:01 < aestetix> that would suck
09:01 < cordless_> So thats the key to getting aestetix to phreaknic..
09:01 <@_NSAKEY> Yeah, we just have to find a way to get his visa denied/get him deported.
09:02 < aestetix> why do I have a feeling this also involves a cage and a circus ring
09:02 <@_NSAKEY> Because it does.
09:03 < aestetix> I mean seriously, you guys elected a REALITY TV SHOW host as potus
09:03 < aestetix> At least Reagan was a movie star
09:04 <@_NSAKEY> aestetix: What I find funny is that when Obama started appearing on late night TV shows, there were conservatives who turned their noses up at that because of something about it lowering the dignity of the office... And now we have Donald Trump.
09:04 < cordless_> aestetix: Reality TV show host, or corrupt politician.. The problem is that we didn't really have a good choice for POTUS
09:04 <@Evilpig> aestetix: we did not
09:05 < cordless_> I'm not sure if we'd be better off the other way or not. I mean really.. how would things be that much different if the election goes the other way? Republicans still hold majority.. so nothing would get done anyway!
09:06 < cordless_> The problem is career politicians.. same thing goes for TN Senate and HOR
09:09 < cordless_> Evilpig: I really think you're correct about the social media problem.. lack of independent thinking allows radical ideas to be amplified.. and groupthink to rein supreme
09:25 < aestetix> unrelated
09:25 < aestetix> when a girl is in her early 30s and says "I know I'm old but I FEEL like I'm in my early 20s"
09:25 < aestetix> run
09:36 < cordless_> LOL
09:36 < cordless_> aestetix: girl in general, or german girl?
09:38 <@Corydon76> I'm in my early 40s, but got told yesterday by a boy that I looked like I was in my early 20s.
09:38 < aestetix> cordless_: in general
09:39 < aestetix> Corydon76: looks like != "feel like"
09:41 <@Corydon76> My fading memory makes it seem like I felt no different in my early 20s than now, but that could be Some-timers.
09:41 < aestetix> Corydon76: yeah but you don't have a ticking biological clock
09:41 <@Corydon76> Alzheimers doesn't set in until later
09:41 < aestetix> lol
09:41 <@Corydon76> Neither do women.  It's a myth.
09:42 <@Corydon76> Women in their 60s can still have kids
09:42 < aestetix> Then why do so many women suddenly want to have children when they are like 32
09:42 < aestetix> Yes, with a high risk of birth defects
09:42 <@Corydon76> Because it's a very prevalent myth
09:43 <@Corydon76> Only a high *relative* risk, not a risk *overall* risk
09:43 < aestetix> Is menopause also a myth?
09:43 <@Corydon76> Err, high overall risk
09:43 < aestetix> What about general energy level?
09:43 < aestetix> It's a lot harder to party for three days straight when you're 32 versus 22
09:44 <@Corydon76> It's difficult enough to do that at 21
09:44 <@Corydon76> I don't know if it becomes more difficult or if people are better experienced and know that they want to avoid the outcome
09:45 < aestetix> Ok, why does it take longer for wounds to heal when you are 60 versus 20
09:45 < aestetix> since you seem to think everything is a social construction
09:46 <@Corydon76> If you know that "hold my beer and watch this" is unlikely to have a good outcome, does that mean you're no longer a risk taker, or that your experience informs future decisions?
09:46 <@Corydon76> aestetix: on average, because diabetes occurs more often as you age
09:47 <@Corydon76> And it's not that all things being equal that a 60yo heals slower, just that on average, more 60yos have diabetes, which impedes healing
09:47 <@Corydon76> Put a 20yo with a diabetes and a 60yo with diabetes, and I'd wager their similar wounds will have similar healing periods
09:48 < aestetix> That smells like bullshit to me.
09:48 <@Corydon76> It's not social construction.  It's generalizing from an inappropriate sample size.
09:49 < aestetix> So you're telling me that a 20 year old and a 60 year old heal at the same rate?
09:50 <@Corydon76> All other things being equal, yes
09:50 < aestetix> "all other things"?
09:50 < xray> I can say with a sample size of one. That isn't true for me.
09:50 < aestetix> What exactly is equal between a 20 year old and a 60 year old
09:50 <@Corydon76> aestetix: health conditions
09:51 < xray> I don't heal anywhere near as fast as I did when I was 20.
09:51 <@Corydon76> If health conditions are equivalent
09:51 < aestetix> Corydon76: if that's the case, why do insurance companies consider older people at higher risk?
09:51 <@Corydon76> Now, if the 60 yo has more medical conditions, yes, that will affect healing
09:52 < aestetix> So what is under this umbrella term of "medical conditions"?
09:52 <@Corydon76> aestetix: because they're more likely to have medical conditions
09:52 <@Corydon76> diabetes is the big one
09:52 <@mog> i agree that some part of 60 year olds being more unhealthy than 20 year olds is societal. but regardless 20 year olds are always going to be more healthy than 60 because of exposure to big ball of radiation in sky is longer
09:53 <@Corydon76> mog: that should change over time, since we've been more aware of the dangers of sun exposure
09:53 < aestetix> What about metabolism? Or weakened joints? Or weaker skin?
09:54 <@Corydon76> aestetix: Yep, those are all things that CAN occur as you get older.  But they don't have to.
09:55 < aestetix> Oh wait, I get it. You're a post-modernist.
09:55 <@Corydon76> lol
09:55 <@mog> Corydon76, i think we can make it better but until we solve problem of dna completely being older at some point == less healthy
09:56 < aestetix> mog: don't forget about tolemere strength
09:57 <@Corydon76> mog: I don't disagree, for the average case
09:57 <@Corydon76> If you're talking statistical probability, yes.
09:58 <@mog> how else can we talk about generality of a 20 vs 60 year old healing ?
09:58 <@mog> sure their are some 60 year olds healing better than some 20 year olds somewhere
09:58 <@mog> but we are talking vaguely
09:59 <@Corydon76> mog: I'm mainly talking about modernity being influenced by myths that might have been true generations ago
10:00 <@Corydon76> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9ryP0UyO5U
10:00 < PigBot> Title: Adam Ruins Everything - You Can Still Have Babies After 35 | truTV - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/y8xnqt8h
10:00 < aestetix> Corydon76: I never said it's not *possible*
10:00 < aestetix> I mean there are recorded cases.
10:01 < aestetix> It is however very unlikely.
10:02 < aestetix> It doesn't help when I'm referring to averages and you're referring to John Galt
10:02 <@Corydon76> In other words, we're talking past each other.
10:03 < aestetix> I mean it's also possibly to have a nine inch penis
10:04 < aestetix> But I bet most guys do not have one
10:04 <@Corydon76> Funny, I would have figured that you've seen most guys' penises
10:04 <@Corydon76> At least in Germany
10:04 < aestetix> I mean, it is possible to get a box running systemd that isn't a piece of shit
10:04 < aestetix> But it's unlikely
10:05 <@Corydon76> Uh huh
10:16 < aestetix> Corydon76: do you like Milo?
10:16 <@Corydon76> Milo is an insincere troll.
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11:36 < aestetix> https://krypt3ia.wordpress.com/2017/09/14/equihax/
11:37 < PigBot> Title: EQUIHAX | Krypt3ia (at krypt3ia.wordpress.com) http://tinyurl.com/ydd64pnr
12:03 <@brimstone> is that the dump?
12:06 <@brimstone> well, part of it it seems
12:26 <@dasunt> Does the law generally have a rule about where a clerk has to be in proximity to what he or she is selling?
12:26 <@Evilpig> can't imagine they would
12:27 <@dasunt> I'm reading about the whole iBodega idea (basically a high-tech vending machine) and someone in the comments is pointing out that unless it sells beers and cigs, it's not going to replace the corner store.
12:27 <@dasunt> I'm thinking that could be fixed with a videoconferencing unit in the Bodega.
12:29 < xray> check out the vending machines in Japan. They sell everything.
12:30 < xray> https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/japanese-vending-machines/
12:30 < PigBot> Couldn't snarf url: [Errno 1] _ssl.c:492: error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure. http://tinyurl.com/ybtolfbw
12:32 < xray> https://kotaku.com/the-world-of-japanese-vending-machines-5988536
12:32 < PigBot> xray: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 30480 bytes.
12:46 <@dasunt> I feel like the US is rather behind on a lot of things because of car culture.
13:01 < K`Tetch> including cars
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15:06 <@Evilpig> who's opened a support ticket with redhat today that led to a bug report?
15:06 <@Evilpig> I need some clean pants...
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20:19 < dc0de[m]> Whelp, that's gonna leave a stain, huh Evilpig?
20:21 <@Evilpig> yup... big brown one
20:21 <@Evilpig> redhat confirmed a pam bug that is breaking ssh connection enforcement by dns
20:26 < dc0de[m]> Yikes.
20:28 <@Dagmar> Failing secure or failing insecure?
20:36 < Catonic_> lol
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20:48 <@Evilpig> failing
20:48 <@Evilpig> like you cannot log into the system because it won't do a reverse lookup on the ip
20:49 <@Evilpig> ifyou put the IP of the system in the access.conf you can get in.  but the failure comes when you have an environment full of keys for automation and they can suddenly no longer push changes because it is rejecting their connections
20:50 <@Evilpig> this was the last comment I got from our incident with RH
20:50 <@Evilpig> I was able to reproduce this but was not able to figure out what change caused this chnage in behavior. I have opened the following private Bugzilla for this
20:50 <@Evilpig> pam_access not allowing access when using the fqdn
20:50 <@Evilpig> plenty of ways to get around the problem temporarily 
20:51 <@Evilpig> so I guess the answer to you dag, is failing secure
20:57 <@Dagmar> Damn.  So... not a bugtraq report then
21:17 < aestetix> so even though I gave up and installed 14.04...
21:17 < aestetix> is there a way to get systemd to use /etc/default?
21:21 <@Dagmar> lol
21:21 <@Dagmar> There's still time to go back and switch to Devuan
22:23 < aestetix> Dagmar: it's just, systemd seems to have made a bunch of stupid decisions like that
22:23 < aestetix> As much as I hate microsoft, they did at least make new versions of Windows mostly backwards compatible
22:45 <@Dagmar> Type `free`
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