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02:04 <@_NSAKEY> Dagmar: rattle: https://medium.com/@JesseLivermore/dear-crypto-youre-being-played-by-wall-street-35a1117ef859 Thoughts?
02:04 < PigBot> Title: Dear Crypto, You’re Being Played By Wall Street – Jesse Livermore – Medium (at medium.com) http://tinyurl.com/y98eef3g
06:18 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:22  * aestetix_ hugs Dolemite 
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07:02 < aestetix> this is amusing
07:02 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR61UgG2qi8
07:02 < PigBot> Title: Marxism Versus Capitalism | Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/y8u3pnly
07:02 < aestetix> the role-play marxist makes a better argument than the actual marxists
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09:02 <@dasunt> Aren't hurricanes supposed to be God's punishment, at least according to TV preachers?  I'm just noting that both Texas and Florida voted for Trump...
09:03 <@dasunt> aestetix: Marxism has really grown on me as a history interpretation.  Not really sold on the economic side.
09:03 < aestetix> dasunt: the conclusion I've reached on it, with a very, very cursory understanding, is that it's a bad solution to a good diagnosis
09:09 <@dasunt> I'm leaning more towards Scandinavian-style socialism:  harvest most of capitalism's profits to make a strong social safety net.
09:11 < aestetix> I think it would be a lot less appealing if the US companies hadn't basically outsourced everything to benefit the top 1%
09:11 < aestetix> Also, those countries are smaller
09:12 < aestetix> And they are starting to have serious problems due to the immigration crisis
09:13 < aestetix> dasunt: don't read that wrong... I'm not saying it's not an interesting solution, I'm saying the US is godawful right now, which makes all other options look appealing
09:32 <@dasunt> Well, there's the other fix for capitalism concentrating wealth:  War.
09:32 < aestetix> dasunt: what's your opinion of Kissinger?
09:32 <@Dagmar> Since when do rich people go to war?
09:32 <@dasunt> Not really a solution I prefer, but historically, it does tend to work.
09:32 <@Dagmar> Sending all the poor people off to die doesn't fix anything
09:32 < aestetix> Dagmar: they used to do that before Vietnam
09:32 <@dasunt> Dagmar: The war seems to come to them.
09:33 <@dasunt> Got a book in my toread list about this called "The Great Leveller:  Violence and the History of Inequality"
09:34 < aestetix> dasunt: I'd be in favor of the US going to war with north korea if Congress and Trump were the first to go to battle
09:36 <@dasunt> Looking at that book reviews, historically to reduce inequality, it seems to boil down to four options:  war, revolution, state collapse, and plagues.
09:43 < aestetix> curious the bias of the author
09:43 < aestetix> because all the recommended books on amazon are about "end of capitalism" and seem to praise communism
09:44 < aestetix> (they all mention Piketty, who is a self proclaimed communist)
09:47 < aestetix> dasunt: do you know of the book "Empire"?
09:47 <@dasunt> Nope.
09:47 <@dasunt> And I'm not that upset with an author's bias, as long as the author isn't full of shit.
09:47 < aestetix> I have it on my shelf, haven't read it though
09:48 < aestetix> by Hardt and Negri
09:48 < aestetix> dasunt: oh yeah, same
09:48 <@dasunt> You may be interested in (haven't read it myself):  The Noble Dream - Peter Novick.  It's about bias by Historians.
09:49 < aestetix> Of course, my personal bias is that I cannot stand most post-modernists
10:12 <@dasunt> I'd have to see what they are saying.
10:21 <@dasunt> There's something called PewTube?
10:21 <@Dolemite> I hear it stinks
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15:40 <@rattle> Summin a commin' https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-07/equifax-reports-cybersecurity-incident-potentially-impacting-143-million-u-s-customers
15:40 < PigBot> Title: Equifax Reports Cybersecurity Incident Potentially Impacting 143 Million U.S. Customers - Bloomberg (at www.bloomberg.com) http://tinyurl.com/yapy5vmh
16:12 <@dasunt> Is there a nice privacy-concerned browser for android that doesn't break the web?
16:28 < dc0de[m]> Tor
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16:39 <@dasunt> That just masks the source.
17:15 < aestetix> uhhhhhh
17:15 < aestetix> I hope someone goes to jail over that
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17:36 < dc0de[m]> aestetix: nope, and no one will get fired either... At least that's my best assessment. Equifax will pay the fine and move on...
17:36 < dc0de[m]> People will forget.
17:37 < dc0de[m]> They're already fatigued by the breach reporting.
17:37 < dc0de[m]> So to most people, they'll just shrug, and go back to playing on their phones
17:39 < cyberanger> And it's not like I'm choosing to send my data to them :-/
17:39 < aestetix> so it's just like OPM, except everyone is fucked
17:40 < cyberanger> And I was with OPM too
17:40 < aestetix> cyberanger: so you got double fucked
17:41 < aestetix> hmm isn't this kind of crap what fight club was about
17:42 < cyberanger> Triple actually, but at least the third one was somebody I chose to do business with (Well, guess I technically chose OPM too but wasn't much of a choice, better job or not.)
17:42 < cyberanger> There's a reason people love cash.
17:43 < cyberanger> Fight Club and Mr Robot too (in ways)
17:43 < aestetix> all I can say is that I hope equifax was not due to an outdated wordpress instance on the same network as their database
17:43 < cyberanger> Wordpress or an even worse CMS
17:45 < cyberanger> Ironically I didn't even get the job that caused my info to be in the OPM dataset.
17:58 < skiboy> memes
18:07 < aestetix> speaking of mr robot
18:08 < aestetix> when does season 3 start
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19:05 < cyberanger> aestetix: trailer said Oct.
19:05 < cyberanger> I can't recall the date, but I think it was the first week.
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