--- Log opened Mon Aug 28 00:00:38 2017 00:04 -!- cyberanger [~cyberange@swissknife/adak/infocop411] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:07 -!- remoford1 [~remo_lapt@c-68-52-35-32.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:09 -!- cyberanger [~cyberange@swissknife/adak/infocop411] has joined #se2600 01:12 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:911f:db03:523b:8dd3] has joined #se2600 01:58 -!- crashcartpro [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yjclhhriztziuxkt] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 02:02 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:911f:db03:523b:8dd3] has quit [] 05:00 < aestetix> how do you enable ipv6 in linux to access the global scope? 05:01 < aestetix> according to ifconfig, my ipv6 address is only scope local 05:01 < aestetix> tried entering it in /etc/network/interfaces, didn't help 06:23 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 06:23 * Dolemite gives aestetix a wedgie 06:30 * aestetix hugs Dolemite 06:31 < aestetix> you touched me in a naughty place 06:34 <@Dolemite> Everywhere on you is a naughty place 06:58 -!- skiboy [~skiboy@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/skiboy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:10 <@Evilpig> aestetix: depends on your distro i'd assume 07:10 < aestetix> Evilpig: ubuntu 07:10 <@Evilpig> redhat and it's varients use /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ 07:10 <@Evilpig> its 07:11 <@Evilpig> ewwwbuntu I thought was the same 07:12 <@Evilpig> this comcast problem needs to get fixed. lag with ssh is irritating 07:12 <@Dolemite> That's what you've been saying since you moved in there, minus the ssh lag. 07:13 <@Evilpig> this is also true. I really do dislike comcrap 07:17 <@Dolemite> Wife wanted me to look at the "come back" offers from TDS, now that we've been with Charter long enough for them to send us sweet deals. 07:17 <@_NSAKEY> Evilpig: No, Ubuntu follows the Debian convention and uses /etc/network/interfaces. Source: I just checked my home theater box, which runs a currently supported Ubuntu variant. 07:17 <@Dolemite> Honestly I'm happier with the Charter service for internet, but the TV has a lot of channels with artifacts. 07:18 <@Dolemite> Charter promises "up to 65 Mbps" download. I was pulling 80 Mbps last night. 07:19 <@opticron> 80 sustained or 80 burst? 07:20 <@Dolemite> I've seen it hit 80 Mbps for some pretty long sustained times in the past - yanking from newsgroups for hours at a time. 07:20 -!- cyberanger [~cyberange@swissknife/adak/infocop411] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:20 < aestetix> well basically my issue is 07:21 < aestetix> ifconfig shows an ipv6 address, but only scoped local 07:21 < aestetix> and I want to get it scoped global 07:21 < aestetix> internet documentation has been less than helpful 07:22 < aestetix> everything says it's just supposed to automatically work 07:22 * aestetix sighs 07:25 -!- cyberanger [~cyberange@swissknife/adak/infocop411] has joined #se2600 07:46 < aestetix> oh interesting 07:46 < aestetix> rebooting worked 07:57 <@Evilpig> ubuntu, turning linux sysadmins into windows admins for 13 years 08:02 < aestetix> ipv6: trying and failing to be relevant for over 13 years 08:08 <@Dagmar> It *is* supposed to automatically work. You're expected to get an IPv6 address from a DHCP server set up by someone that knows what they're doing. 08:08 <@Dagmar> Just like IPv4, you can't just make up IPv6 addresses and expect they'll be valid for Internet communication 08:10 -!- Synx_hm [~Synx_hm@unaffiliated/synx-hm/x-1623004] has joined #se2600 08:32 -!- crashcartpro [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mlctcfuvualnjaxv] has joined #se2600 09:00 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:911f:db03:523b:8dd3] has joined #se2600 10:52 <@dasunt> Why isn't IPv6 a DWIM system? 10:58 <@Corydon76> dasunt: Perhaps you should write the RFC that species how that occurs. 10:58 <@Corydon76> s/species/specifies/ 11:34 -!- remoford1 [~remo_lapt@c-68-52-35-32.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 11:47 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iekiflfumcepwxnq] has joined #se2600 12:03 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:911f:db03:523b:8dd3] has quit [] 12:24 <@dasunt> Corydon76: I will. In pure DWIM fashion. RFC XXXX: Systems should do what I mean. This will be implemented by systems doing what people mean, instead of doing what people tell them to do. 12:25 <@dasunt> See, computers are simple. 12:25 <@Corydon76> bwahahahah 12:29 <@dasunt> Do most people in the south make no hurricane preparations until a hurricane is headed right at them? 12:29 < K`Tetch> DWIM? Doing What I meant? I'd love everything to be a 'doing what I meant' system 12:30 <@dasunt> K`Tetch: Unfortunately, we are moving instead towards do-what-I-think-you-mean systems. 12:30 <@Corydon76> Yes, as a programmer, I want to write in a language that has DWIM built-in. 12:31 <@Corydon76> If I could figure out how to create such a language, I would be rich. 12:31 <@dasunt> Hollywood has the answer for that - you just need a programming system that consists of 3D graphics you can link together. Then you will have a solution in a few minutes, and it'll never have to be debugged. 12:32 < xray> All you have to do is write a compiler that is prescient. 12:32 < K`Tetch> I tried that (in 2d form) with the google app creator about 5 yaers ago 12:32 < K`Tetch> it... didn't go well 12:32 < xray> Seeing as most people have cognitive disonance 12:32 <@Corydon76> Yes, Swordfish was hilarious. Massively complicated system that never needed to be debugged and could be put together in 2 weeks 12:33 < xray> and have no idea what they really want 12:33 < xray> You'll have to include the magic module as well 12:34 < K`Tetch> I hate code. 12:34 < K`Tetch> entering year 18 code free next week 12:34 < K`Tetch> (html doesn't count) 12:34 < xray> We hate code because it actually makes us decide "exactly" what we want 12:34 < xray> and that takes work 12:34 <@dasunt> Coding is one of those things I may make a career switch into. 12:35 < xray> I'm to lazy to do tedious tasks by hand so I code 12:35 < xray> To me it's like writing poetry in math 12:36 -!- remoford1 [~remo_lapt@c-68-52-35-32.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:36 < K`Tetch> i problems have writing englishs words 12:40 <@Corydon76> dasunt: monetarily, you're better off with computer security than computer programming 12:41 <@Corydon76> Or really, network security 12:41 <@dasunt> Money wise, I live a pretty simple life, so it's not a major concern. 12:42 <@Corydon76> Well, if that's your attitude, I hear the Minneapolis school district is looking for poorly-paid teachers. 12:43 <@dasunt> LOL, no. 12:43 <@dasunt> I won't subject myself or children to me trying to teach. 12:43 < K`Tetch> yeah, I tried it for 4 years (teaching IT basics to high schoolers) never again 12:43 <@Corydon76> Or, even worse, poorly-paid school bus drivers 12:44 < K`Tetch> also why my HS band is... reticent to let me chaperone, because I'm kinda strict, and I have an army sgt trained voice 12:44 <@dasunt> I barely tolerate driving as it is. 12:45 < K`Tetch> I have talked to a efw people about creating a, well, high tech rtailer park' sort of thing down here in the ruralish part of the state 12:45 < K`Tetch> land's cheap, regs are minimal 12:46 <@dasunt> What would the "high tech" part of it be? 12:46 < K`Tetch> live in singlewides, and work in more singlewides for tech incubators 12:46 < K`Tetch> and startups 12:47 <@dasunt> Do people who work at startups tend to want to live in rural parts of the south? 12:50 <@dasunt> It would be cheap, but I tend to get a hip urban vibe from the startup crowd. 12:55 <@Corydon76> That doesn't sound bad if all you're trying to do is foster incubators, where minimization of costs until the project is off the ground is important 12:56 <@Corydon76> But it doesn't sound all that great for startups 12:56 <@Corydon76> That is, it sounds great for founders, but not for employees 13:03 < K`Tetch> it came from a chat with people like Charles Guam. Maybe I'm not explaining it well 13:03 < K`Tetch> "crazy inventor park" perhaps? 13:06 < K`Tetch> perhaps 'long term residential hackerspace'? 13:06 <@Corydon76> I think it makes perfect sense: create a low-cost living and working environment, so that entrepreneurs have more time to get their idea built-out. 13:08 <@Corydon76> Once their business plan is demonstrated as workable, they can "graduate" into another space, which will have higher costs associated, but for which they will spend less time merely burning through capital. 13:10 < K`Tetch> and since it's more 'rural' than city, there's space to work on things, and less city codes (or things like smogging laws), and it could lead to a tech boon in an area with lots of empty buildings because of technological progress (upson's got a kevlar plant, but it lost the yamaha piano plant, mills are iffy etc. 13:10 <@Corydon76> All of that assumes that they can build their business using only founder-level workers (i.e. if there is only 1 founder, she can write it all; if there are 3 founders, they can do all of the initial work, themselves). 13:11 < K`Tetch> hence more of a residential hackerspace 13:11 <@Corydon76> Very much so 13:12 <@Corydon76> The thing that you probably want to do is to establish benchmarks for progress, so you can keep out those unmotivated to do anything 13:12 <@Corydon76> i.e. you're not simply putting up low-cost housing 13:12 < K`Tetch> indeed 13:14 <@Corydon76> And there are definitely economically depressed towns that might jump at the chance of having high tech companies move in. 13:14 <@Corydon76> If nothing else, those entrepreneurs will inject money into the local economy 13:15 < K`Tetch> exactly 13:16 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:bc03:3a9e:14fe:4976] has joined #se2600 13:16 < Synx_hm> why does everything keep going tits up 13:16 <@Corydon76> On the marketing end, how do you convince young entrepreneurs, who are likely in big city universities, to move to a small town to incubate their startup ideas? 13:16 < Synx_hm> oven gave up the ghost in the middle of cooking a pizza last night 13:17 < Synx_hm> two sinks started to leak, requiring me to cut into the wall to replace the old corroded to hell brass nipple and drop ear on one going to have to do the same on the other 13:17 < K`Tetch> about 6-7 years ago, Ryan Martin (some might know him from the 3C art place near freeside) proposed doing somethign similar with one of those michigan/penn towns that you could basically buy for $200 13:17 < Synx_hm> one of our floor vents just broke now makes a horrid mettle flapping noise any time the ac is on 13:17 < Synx_hm> attic vent fan went tits up 13:18 <@Corydon76> K`Tetch: that marketing angle of attracting those entrepreneurs may be your stumbling block. 13:18 < K`Tetch> true 13:18 <@Corydon76> Economically, it makes perfect sense 13:19 <@Corydon76> The other problem with economically disadvantaged towns is that they tend to be, shall we say, conservative socially. 13:20 < K`Tetch> yeah 13:21 < K`Tetch> they're rather like prostitutes though, int hat they'll drop their pants if you mention money 13:22 <@Corydon76> And all it takes is one asshole cop, determined to make an example of some kid who is new to the area, to make the entrepreneurs want to leave. 13:22 < K`Tetch> true enough 13:23 < K`Tetch> its not somethign I'm about ready to go on dragons den 9or whatever you call it here, shark tank?) about 13:24 <@Corydon76> You essentially need to create a company town. With that comes its own set of complications. 13:58 < K`Tetch> while you can run it like a HOA, that tends to lead to HOA issues 13:58 < K`Tetch> but right now it's an intersting theory, nothing more 13:58 < K`Tetch> (unless I win big on powerball) 13:59 <@Corydon76> I had the same thought while playing Powerball. Except it probably would have involved me buying out one or both of the owners of the company I work for 14:00 < K`Tetch> I'd get a suite for dragoncon, is the only other thought 14:26 < aestetix> K`Tetch: yo, any new suspensions? I added more, they are all "white supremacists" 14:38 < K`Tetch> haven't looked 14:38 < K`Tetch> panicking getting stuff done for dcon 14:41 < xray> NetKotH CTF at DC404 8/19/2017 details at http://dc404.org 14:42 < PigBot> Title: dc404.org | DEF CON Atlanta (at dc404.org) http://tinyurl.com/ydxwewaa 14:43 < xray> NetKotH CTF at DragonCon EFF Track Hacking 201 panel details at http://eff.dragoncon.org/2017/07/21/hacking-201-2017/ 14:43 < PigBot> Couldn't snarf url: HTTP Error 403: Bad Behavior. http://tinyurl.com/yb9f3ej8 14:45 < aestetix> ahh got it 15:47 <@dasunt> Should I believe wunderground's forecast? 17:15 <@Corydon76> You do know that Weather Underground is owned by the same company as The Weather Channel, right? 17:15 <@Dagmar> Do not. They are liars. 17:15 <@Dagmar> There will be no weather tomorrow. 17:15 <@Dagmar> Despair now. 17:20 <@Corydon76> North Korea just launched a missile that flew over Japan's territory. 17:20 < aestetix> north korea goes bye bye 17:20 <@Dagmar> Fuuuck 17:20 <@Dagmar> market orders it is then 17:20 <@Dagmar> Right the fuck now 17:21 <@Corydon76> The missile broke into 3 pieces and fell into the sea 17:21 <@Dagmar> Buy all teh litecoin 17:21 <@Corydon76> https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/28/japanese-government-warns-north-korea-missile-headed-toward-northern-japan-report-says.html 17:21 < PigBot> Title: Japanese government warns North Korea missile headed toward northern Japan, report says (at www.cnbc.com) http://tinyurl.com/ycfp9zck 17:50 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:bc03:3a9e:14fe:4976] has quit [] 18:56 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:bc03:3a9e:14fe:4976] has joined #se2600 19:49 < Synx_hm> for reference that missile hit apogee about 100miles higher than where ISS orbits 20:35 -!- remoford1 [~remo_lapt@c-68-52-35-32.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 21:14 -!- remoford2 [~remo_lapt@c-68-52-35-32.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 21:17 -!- remoford1 [~remo_lapt@c-68-52-35-32.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:23 -!- remoford1 [~remo_lapt@c-68-52-35-32.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 21:26 -!- remoford2 [~remo_lapt@c-68-52-35-32.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:33 <@Dagmar> So you're telling us that perhaps North Korea is planning on attacking the moonbase? 22:25 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:bc03:3a9e:14fe:4976] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] --- Log closed Mon Aug 28 23:39:34 2017 --- Log opened Mon Aug 28 23:45:33 2017 23:45 -!- Evilpig [~wilpig@96-80-184-99-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #se2600 23:45 -!- Irssi: #se2600: Total of 38 nicks [19 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 19 normal] 23:45 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Evilpig] by ChanServ 23:45 -!- Irssi: Join to #se2600 was synced in 19 secs 23:56 -!- cyberanger [~cyberange@swissknife/adak/infocop411] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:59 -!- cyberanger [~cyberange@swissknife/adak/infocop411] has joined #se2600 --- Log closed Tue Aug 29 00:00:39 2017