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09:57 <@Dagmar> Amber alert!  Free kids!
10:02 < aestetix> sigh
10:02 < aestetix> namecheap has fallen to the regressive left too
10:04 < xray> aestetix: What are you talking about? Have a link?
10:04 < aestetix> https://blog.namecheap.com/inciting-violence-vs-freedom-speech/
10:04 < PigBot> Title: Inciting Violence vs Freedom of Speech - Namecheap Blog (at blog.namecheap.com) http://tinyurl.com/yacrs7o3
10:04 < xray> thanks
10:05 < aestetix> I'm really, really, really unhappy with all these American tech companies virtue signalling at the expense of free speech
10:05 <@Dagmar> Holy shit
10:05 < aestetix> Namecheap just lost all the credibility from me they got from SOPA
10:05 <@Dagmar> They say they looked at the website, see that it disclaims violence, and THEN DECIDE THAT REALLY MEANS SOMETHING ELSE?
10:05 <@Dagmar> What the fuck
10:05 <@Dagmar> That's some witch hunt bullshit
10:05 < aestetix> yes, and it's spreading all through the tech world
10:06 < aestetix> so google, godaddy, namecheap, cloudflare, and probably more
10:06 < xray> policy oscillations are not new
10:06 < K`Tetch_> I’ve examined the website carefully. It purports to disclaim violence. But, these words are profoundly hollow as the actual text supports both viewpoints as well as groups that specifically promote violence. As an example: “It doesn’t take a Ph.D. in mathematics to understand that White men + pride + organization = Jews being stuffed into ovens.”
10:06 < aestetix> I mean the registrars from china and russia I don't care so much about
10:07 < aestetix> because I was not expecting better from china and russia
10:07 <@Dagmar> I kind would like to see  them sued
10:07 < xray> free speech doesn't mean you can say anything you want whenever you want without repercussions
10:07 <@Dagmar> This is discriminator behaviour
10:07 <@Dagmar> er discriminatory
10:07 < aestetix> oh also Tor
10:07 <@Dagmar> They're not violating the sites ToS
10:07 < K`Tetch_> and the likes of namecheap would probably win
10:08 < aestetix> Dagmar: bingo
10:08 < xray> You can't yell fire in a crowded theater and consider it free speech
10:08 < K`Tetch_> argh, keith, bad example
10:08 <@Dagmar> You can't just go throwing customers out because idiots write nasty emails about them
10:08 < K`Tetch_> (mainly because its not true)
10:08 < xray> I have a point and it takes a combination of thoughts to prove
10:08 < K`Tetch_> ever looked at the daily stormer, Dagmar?
10:08 <@Dagmar> If they want net neutrality, they too need to be content-neutral
10:08 < aestetix> K`Tetch_: yes.
10:08 < xray> not one pithy statement to rule them all
10:08 < aestetix> And I also know weev personally
10:09 <@Dagmar> I couldn't give a rat's ass about white supremacists
10:09 <@Dagmar> ...but I know a witch hunt when I see one..
10:09 < aestetix> right
10:09 <@Dagmar> This shit is _dangerous_.
10:09 < aestetix> The lesson here is that if you get a twitter mob to attack a company, and people to write angry emails
10:09 < aestetix> Then regardless of the topic, the company will cave to public demand
10:09 < xray> The issue is that people will try to walk right up to the line separating free speech from NOT free speech (yelling fire in a crowded theater)
10:10 <@Dagmar> If it weren't for the SJWs, literally no one would give a fuck about these racist douchebags
10:10 < xray> when this happens society will react
10:10 < K`Tetch_> aestetix - maybe you looked at a different one than me, but I saw plenty of incitement to violence there
10:10 < aestetix> K`Tetch_: I didn't see any incitement to violence
10:10 < aestetix> Incitement requires there to be an incentive
10:10 < K`Tetch_> no it doesn't
10:10 < aestetix> If the site had said "I will give $10 to anyone who does XYZ" then I would agree with you
10:10 < xray> policies will oscillate while they try to determine if the behavior has strayed outsides the bounds of freedom
10:10 <@Dagmar> This shit, more than anything else going on right now, is _empowering_ the neo-nazis
10:10 < aestetix> brandburg v ohio established that
10:11 < aestetix> Dagmar: yep
10:11 < aestetix> daily stormer has gotten so much more credibility now than they did before
10:11 < aestetix> before they were a sort of known rag nobody paid much attention to
10:11 < xray> Also free speech in the US is a protection from the government interfering in your right to descent.
10:11 <@Dagmar> ...and if you replace the racial terms on that site with political affiliations, you'll find that the content bears a lot of similiarity to thousands of other news sites and blogs out there
10:12 <@Dagmar> xray: The word is spelled "dissent"
10:12 < aestetix> xray: that argument works when the government is more powerful than the corporations
10:12 < xray> It does not mean your neighbor has to agree with you or publish your screed
10:12 < xray> thanks, I'm spelling imaired
10:12 < aestetix> xray: yes, but the way all these huge companies are becoming political is scaring me
10:12 < K`Tetch_> and if you replace the racial terms with pokemon, you'll find it has a lot of similaritity to lots of pokemon fan sites. When you change the objectionable material to non-objectionable, then yes, sunsurprisingly, it looks like a lot of other sites
10:12 < xray> aestetix: I don't disagree
10:12 <@Dagmar> This is about content agnosticism, not "free speech"
10:13 < xray> part of the role of government is to provide justice
10:13 < aestetix> xray: the whole point of the first amendment is to protect unpopular opinions
10:13 <@Dagmar> By these standards, Alex Jones should be punted the fuck off the internet, with great force
10:13 < aestetix> which the daily stormer is a great example of
10:13 <@Dagmar> As should Donald Trump
10:13 < xray> when a corporation gets the power of a government then it starts to stray into the free speech issue
10:13 <@Dagmar> Everyone should be free to hear what these morons have to say so they can condemn them properly
10:14 < aestetix> xray: right
10:14 < aestetix> xray: and there is already talk of Google being a huge monpoly, with the youtube demonetizing issues
10:14 < K`Tetch_> so, companies should be forced to carry them?
10:14 < xray> hence the policy oscillations as we figure out where the government/civilian boundary is and what constitutes freee speech
10:14 < aestetix> K`Tetch_: well the question is, where does the pressure come from
10:14 < aestetix> Is carrying them a violation of the company's policy, or did they just get a lot of complaints
10:15 <@Dagmar> K`Tetch_: No, companies shouldn't _care_ what the fuck the servers they're providing some DNS records for are doing
10:15 < aestetix> right
10:15 < aestetix> Like notice that none of these issues have been about hosting anything
10:15 <@Dagmar> This is caving-in to a witch hunt
10:15 < xray> this is exacerbate by the speed of the internet vs the speed of societal change which can result in some wild oscillations
10:15 < aestetix> it is entirely about DNS records and caching
10:15 < K`Tetch_> indeed xray
10:15 < aestetix> xray: good point
10:16 < K`Tetch_> and the EXTREME slowness of the us judiciary doesn't help, nor does its politicised nature
10:16 < aestetix> Namecheap in particular pisses me off because they got all their credibility from me after the SOPA drama
10:16 < aestetix> I moved all my domains from godaddy to namecheap after namecheap fought against SOPA (which godaddy sponsored), in the name of free speech
10:16 <@Dagmar> I'm deeply offended by the shit argumentation Namecheap is using here
10:16 < aestetix> namecheap has clearly forgotten this
10:16 <@Dagmar> This is textbook fallacy territory
10:17 <@Dagmar> As an example: “It doesn’t take a Ph.D. in mathematics to understand that White men + pride + organization = Jews being stuffed into ovens.”
10:17 <@Dagmar> "This statement clearly incites violence and endorses wholesale eradication of Jews through genocide championed by the Nazis."
10:17 <@Dagmar> HOW?!?
10:17 <@Dagmar> How the fuck
10:17 < aestetix> that statmeent indicates weev was up too late smoking pot
10:18 <@Dagmar> How do they make this jump to incitement of violence?
10:18 <@Dagmar> It doesn't even make sense
10:18 <@Dagmar> The statement their quoting is stupid and bizarre, but an incitement to violence?
10:18 <@Dagmar> Out of context it sounds more like sarcasm to me
10:18 < aestetix> It's also the most coherent statement from that site
10:19 < xray> I find that getting angry clouds my thinking (and leads to the dark side :) )
10:19 < aestetix> I mean the site is written like an angry 15 year old. That's why I'm so annoyed at all these people complaining.... they clearly haven't read any of it
10:19 <@Dagmar> ...but that's the best face I can put on it.  It doesn't really make a lot of sense
10:19 < aestetix> If they read the site, they would know there's nothing to worry about
10:19 < aestetix> holy shit
10:19 < aestetix> http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/anonymous-opisis-cloudflare-refuses-block-service-pro-isis-websites-1495758
10:19 < PigBot> Title: Anonymous #OpISIS: CloudFlare refuses to block service to pro-ISIS websites (at www.ibtimes.co.uk) http://tinyurl.com/zyodccl
10:20 < xray> I have to be more meta about my thinking and actions if I want to help damp the oscillations and come to a considered and reasonable conculsion
10:20 <@Dagmar> If anything, all this attention is adding heaps and piles of legitimacy to what would otherwise clearly be the ranting of demented fools
10:20 < aestetix> huh there's not a date on that
10:20 < aestetix> but if that's true.... cloudflare can't handle a neonazi site but they happily allow a terrorist site
10:20 < aestetix> which goes right into what Dagmar was saying
10:21 < xray> It's evident of oscillation and to be expected.
10:21 < xray> The more we flame the bigger the oscillations
10:22 < xray> The whole industry needs to calm down and take a breath
10:22 < xray> If a site stays up while they make a decision will not result in the world coming to an end
10:23 < xray> Nor will taking down one site in a knee jerk reaction
10:23 <@Dagmar> It will according to the people very shrilly demanding those dangerous books be burned
10:23 <@Dagmar> er sites taken down
10:23 < xray> If it persists and becomes entrenched as policy we will have a problem but that has not happened yet
10:23 < aestetix> xray: well that's the problem with the US... it's founded in common law, which is based in precedent
10:23 <@Dagmar> No, it means we have a much bigger problem
10:24 < xray> Dagmar: agreed. The book burning is the same kind of oscillation in a different medium.
10:24 < aestetix> yeah
10:24 < xray> And it was eventually resoved
10:25 < xray> The real problem is if the oscillations become so pervasive as to induce a civil response (like riots)
10:25 < aestetix> speaking of which
10:25 < aestetix> was there any problem at the boston thing?
10:25 <@Dagmar> Again, there's no "real problem" thing here
10:26 < aestetix> Dagmar: agreed
10:26 <@Dagmar> You need to label that line on the depth indicator "major problem"
10:26 < xray> which is really just setting a match to a volatile mix of emotions that may be from a  completely unrelated source
10:26 < aestetix> they drew the line at words that could have been written by a 15 year old on a late night pot smoking binge
10:26 <@Dagmar> The initial incidents all by themselves already indicate we have a concrete problem
10:26 < aestetix> so here's a question
10:27 < aestetix> if I find a neonazi tumblr, would that be grounds for namecheap to drop their records?
10:27 < aestetix> since dailystormer is about the same intellectual level as tumblr
10:27 < aestetix> I also see no evidence that these companies reached out to the website owners to get clarification
10:27 <@Dagmar> Is Namecheap the registrar for Tumblr/
10:28 < aestetix> Dagmar: no idea
10:28 < aestetix> that is something that really bothers me
10:28 < xray> I suspect there may be some very interesting law suits coming to the internet
10:28 < aestetix> xray: yep
10:29 < aestetix> I mean normally if there's an issue with a customer, the company reaches out privately to get clarification, and to make an informed decision
10:29 < aestetix> that seems to be less and less the case
10:30 < aestetix> ok the comments from that cloudflare isis article are 2015
10:30 < aestetix> april 2015
10:30 < aestetix> so it's safe to assume the article is at least 2 years old
10:31 <@Dagmar> This shit is really quite disturbing
10:32 < aestetix> weev is just a troll. isis are actual terrorist who are killing people
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10:51 <@Dagmar> BLM and Antifa are going to wind up being branded as terrorists before this is over
10:52 <@Dagmar> ...and 100 years from now, assuming anyone is left alive, it
10:52 <@Dagmar> will probably be declassified that they were surreptituously encouraged by the CIA to become the hypocritical, violent asshats they are today, as a means of disempowering them.
10:53 <@Dagmar> If they took a stance against pay-day lending institutions, and did something about those, it would actually have some _impact_ on the lives of minorities
10:53 < oddball> Antifa already is in the mecca of conservatism New Jersey.
10:53 <@rattle> Antifa is going to become more of a problem.  People are angry, and idiots seem to fall into that black block ideology easily.
10:53 <@Dagmar> If they set each and every one of the neo-Nazis on fire, it would just smell bad, but fuck all would actually change
10:54 <@Dagmar> Assuming anyone cared what those assholes thought is more of that "all white people are secretly evil" narrative
10:54 <@Dagmar> s/Assuming/Presuming/
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10:54 <@Dagmar> Stomping out skinheads won't accomplish shit
10:55 <@Dagmar> Stomping out places that trick people into taking on loans that they can never pay back... THAT would help some shit
10:55 < aestetix> yeah
10:55 <@Dagmar> But that requires care and research and understanding of economics
10:55 <@Dagmar> It's also a lot harder than just yelling "SHE'S A WITCH!  BURN THE WITCH!"
10:56 <@oddball> Yeah... of the folks that Obama targeted with Operation Choke Point, the pay day loan folks probably recieved the least amount of pity from me.
10:57 <@Dagmar> There are damn few states where that's even allowed anymore
10:57 <@Dagmar> Tennessee being one of them, unfortunately.
10:57 <@Dagmar> There should be _no_ states where that's allowed
10:58 <@oddball> I thought they were still legal in most states, but they were only allowed to charge moderately outragous interest.
10:59 <@Dagmar> In most states they now face the same restrictions as apply to shitty car loans
11:00 <@Dagmar> In a few remaining states, however, they have basically argued that they're a different kind of loan (no shit) and should be allowed to set really insane terms of interest and payment terms
11:01 <@Dagmar> 40% a year wasn't enough, so they decided they'd rather do that _monthly_
11:02 <@Dagmar> ...and fuck reaching a point where it's clear the debt is merely delinquent and making it an instant write-off
11:03 <@Dagmar> They want to just let those insane rates of interest accumulate indefinitely and forever, which ignores that the rest of the lending industry is outright forbidden from arranging deals that can literally never be paid off by the borrower
11:04 <@oddball> Oh, you don't have to convince me that they're the scum of the earth.
11:04 <@Dagmar> They are _very much_ a form of modern-day slavery
11:04 <@Dagmar> As is what's been going on with student loans, on an even larger scale
11:04 <@Dagmar> They crossed a serious line when they lobbied to make student loans an unforgiveable debt
11:05 <@Dagmar> Like, you guys can educate yourself out from the bottom tiers of the economy, oh but wait not really
11:29 < aestetix> sigh
11:32 < aestetix> dailystormer just moved to namesilo
11:32 < aestetix> so they are basically going through the whole list of registrars
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12:38 <@oddball> This surprises you?
12:55 <@oddball> aestetix: You'll love this: http://americanlens.com/durhamhoax-rumor-shut-down-major-nc-city/
12:55 < PigBot> Title: The #DurhamHoax or How a Rumor Shut Down a Major NC City American Lens (at americanlens.com) http://tinyurl.com/ybjrehl2
12:55 < aestetix> oddball: yes, because I am an optimist, and like to think that human reason allows people to not jump to the most stupid conclusions
12:56 <@oddball> It must be a nice fantasy world you live in.
12:56 < aestetix> it's getting harder to live in it
12:58 < xray> I thought the definition of an optimist was someone who is positive that things will turn out badly. :)
12:59 < aestetix> oh man
12:59 < aestetix> Jerry Lewis died
12:59 < xray> Waht?
13:00 <@oddball> Shit.  I thought he was already dead.
13:00 < aestetix> yeah I did too
13:01 < xray> Sad
13:11 < xray> Defenders came out on NetFlix
13:11 <@oddball> Yep.  It's decent.
13:11 < xray> Already watched it all
13:11 < xray> not bad
13:14 <@Evilpig> fuckin' amcrest
13:15 <@Evilpig> they make a cheap camera but their documentation sucks, their browser plugin sucks, their latest firmware disabled basic auth for the api in favor of digest for no good damn reason
13:17 < xray> It's IoT what did you expect?
13:17 <@Evilpig> them to not break my zoneminder instructions on some random ass whim
13:18 <@Evilpig> ended up having to use curl to control the camera since it can easily handle digest auth
13:18 < xray> IoT == crap engineering
13:18 <@Evilpig> getting to the point to figure out that is what had changed... that was a pita
13:19 < xray> That is why I plan on building my own cameras from scratch
13:19 <@Evilpig> I wouldn't be opposed to that, but for less than $100 to get 1080, ir, and ptz it was worth the gamble
13:19 < xray> IoT may be cheap but it comes with strings attached
13:23 < xray> Which is sad because it costs a lot more to do it yourself
13:24 <@Evilpig> cost goes down as the number of items produced goes up, typically
13:26 <@Evilpig> I hate that their software is shit because it's otherwise a decent little camera
13:26 < xray> agreed but with the strings does it actually cost more in the long run
13:27 <@Dagmar> $35 for a pi kit.  $30-40 for a logitech webcam, used
13:28 < xray> Yeah there is no comparison on price
13:29 < xray> If I could only find a manufacturer that wasn't so incompetent.
13:29 < xray> That's the fundamental problem
13:30 < xray> You would think that a vendor would eventually rise to the top and build something good
13:30 < xray> But it looks more like a race to the bottom
13:31 <@Dagmar> The popcorn-eaters out there don't know quality
13:31 <@Dagmar> They just know price and "a great deal" without considering that the software might be shit
13:31 <@Dagmar> ...and China will win on price pretty much every time.
13:31 < xray> and the firmware can have issues as well
13:32 < xray> Since the typical consumer is not discerning there is no market incentive to improve the product
13:33 < xray> One of the proposed solutions is a security equivalent to to UL labs
13:34 < xray> certification
13:34 <@Dagmar> We'd need gov't backing for that I suspect
13:34 < xray> sorry UL labs is redundant
13:35 <@Dagmar> Without it the mess would be bogged down while manufacturers and their lobbyists try to force loosening of standards so their crapware qualifies
13:35 < xray> I'm not sure UL listing is required to sell a product. I know FCC qualifications are required
13:35 <@Dagmar> Depends on what the product is doing
13:38 <@_NSAKEY> To touch on what you guys were saying earlier re: payday lenders, I had a unique perspective on that up until last year, and think they should be killed with fire more strongly than any of you, most likely.
13:39 <@Dagmar> I see them doing _far_ more harm than a couple hundred knuckle-shufflers could ever dream of
13:39 < xray> As far as I can tell with an initial search. UL certification is not required to sell a product.
13:39 <@Dagmar> But finding out who runs those and villifying them is _too hard_ apparently
13:40 < xray> However, it appears that a company can limit it's liability if it has a UL certification
13:40 <@_NSAKEY> They actually used to not reduce the principle at all when payments were made, but that changed late in 2005. Now, after the 1st 3 payments, title loans have to tack 5% of the initial loan amount to the payments so the balance comes down. It's nowhere near being good enough.
13:41 <@_NSAKEY> Dagmar: Some of them are mob owned, so unless you want to take a one way trip to the bottom of the cumberland, you wouldn't want to dig too much.
13:41 < xray> http://www.berkeleysg.com/2015/12/is-ul-certification-required-for-your-product/
13:41 < PigBot> Title: Is UL Certification Required For Your Product? (at www.berkeleysg.com) http://tinyurl.com/ybx3gxhw
13:42 <@Dagmar> Hey, if Antifa want to start fights with a bunch of guys packing assault rifles, a few mob bosses should be no problem at all, right?
14:19 < aestetix> http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/346979-pro-trump-rally-set-to-take-place-the-same-day-as-juggalo-march-in-dc
14:19 < aestetix> in case you missed this
14:19 < PigBot> Title: Pro-Trump rally and Juggalo March will happen on same day in DC | TheHill (at thehill.com) http://tinyurl.com/y74znkjk
14:19 < aestetix> ICP Juggalos vs the NeoNazis
14:32 <@Dagmar> _That_ is an appropriate response
14:33 <@Dagmar> The Juggalos are at least honest in their desires for violence and why
14:46 <@Dagmar> Also, their sense of justice begins and ends at "a whooping", so there's that
14:51 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/DeoTasDevil/status/898211422991208448
14:51 < PigBot> Title: Deo on Twitter: "2017 https://t.co/8PI2JOLtWh" (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/y8gqqerq
14:51 < aestetix> Now I wonder if the furries are going to join the ICP
15:38 <@Evilpig> psychostick is playing at dragoncon this year. :-/
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19:25 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/ThomasWictor/status/899400970517348353
19:25 < aestetix> new youtube takedown
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19:51 < dc0de[m]> Evilpig are you throttling outbound queues on Plex? Or is my internet that shirty?
19:52 < dc0de[m]> Shitty
19:52 < dc0de[m]> Even
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22:30 <@Dagmar> aestetix: WHat did they ban him for?  Poor personal grooming habits?
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22:38 <@Dagmar> Looking his blog over, I can't really see what they'd be objecting to
22:39 <@Dagmar> It's more likely that a bunch of people all filed false claims against his videos at once and tricked the machinery
22:39 <@Dagmar> He'll get that back on appeal
22:40 <@oddball> YouTube has become *extremely* nasty with their censorship lately.
22:40 <@Dagmar> UNtil I see otherwise, I'm going to assume it's the more likely cause... That a bunch of special little snowflakes are organizing mass-reporting actions
22:40 <@Dagmar> AGAIN.
22:40 <@Dagmar> Because that'll be about the fifth time in the last two years
22:41 <@oddball> All gun related channels that I know of has been demonitized, and YouTube has straight up told them "yep, fuck off."
22:42 <@Dagmar> Yeah see I find that one pretty suspect because simply talking about guns doesn't violate their policies
22:42 <@oddball> And I think Rageaholic pretty much proved that the "new algorithm" is actually a black list.
22:42 <@Dagmar> ...but I can totally see a bunch of jackasses trying to put political pressure on them
22:42 <@Dagmar> I'm not sure he proved that very well
22:43 <@Dagmar> The rather rapid response in the system looked like a greylist actually
22:43 <@Dagmar> Like, since there'd been several issues previous, his videos weren't being immediately passed through
22:43 <@Dagmar> It's still shifty tho
22:43 <@oddball> Here's YankeeMarshall talking about his experience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUkU3UQ3B3s
22:43 < PigBot> Title: Death of the 2nd Amendment on the Internet - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/yd886jwp
22:44 <@Dagmar> YouTube has advertisers
22:44 <@Dagmar> Those advertisers _want_ to reach people
22:44 <@Dagmar> If some of those advertisers are selling guns and/or gun accessories, it seems a no-brainer that they'd want their ads on those channels
22:45 <@Dagmar> My guess is that there is absolutely some form of duplicitous mass-reporting thing
22:46 <@Dagmar> What TYM is describing is pretty much _exactly_ what would happen if someone had a program getting subscription updates from the YouTube API, being notified that a person they don't like posted a new video, and then flipped right around and spammed the system with a bunch of complaints from fake G+ accounts
22:47 <@oddball> And the channels that Yankee Marshall is referencing do nothing but purely "this is a gun, this is how it works/maybe a review of well it functions." type videos.
22:47 <@Dagmar> Watch the news carefully because at some point, if that's actually what's happening, _someone's_ going to smart enough to recognize it and say something right away
22:47 <@Dagmar> Not to sound like I'm pigeonholing, but just looking at this guy tells me he's not some wacko
22:48 <@Dagmar> That he's got a giant-ass gun safe right behind him says worlds about his respectability
22:48 <@Dagmar> That's what responsible people have
22:48 <@oddball> yeah.  He can be a bit of a goof ball, but that's it.
22:49 <@oddball> Oh, and once he starts talking about patreon, etc, you can stop watching.
22:49 <@Dagmar> Also, it could _easily_ be that he has the word "Nazi" in one of his videos
22:49 <@Dagmar> DUMBER SHIT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST
22:49 <@Dagmar> He might have wound up in the sights of some pernicious botmaster _because_ his name came up when they scraped YT for the word "Nazi"
22:50 <@oddball> BUt, like I said, the response from YouTube when asked about it has been "fuck off."
22:50 <@Dagmar> The responses he seems to have been getting from YT are *not* likely to be useful
22:50 <@Dagmar> You know how this shit works
22:50 <@Dagmar> The first tier of people handling abuse/violation rebuttals are STUPID AS HELL
22:51 <@oddball> true
22:51 <@Dagmar> THey might as well be chimps looking for keywords and mashing one of two colored buttons
22:51 <@Dagmar> Remember I got banned from Comcast once because some idjit from the AUP enforcement team literally triggered on the fact that I was running an ssh "server"
22:52 <@Dagmar> This is after I explained what the 23 honeypots were doing, and where I worked, that I had a CISSP, and what I did for a living
22:52 <@oddball> With the gun channels, this has been going on for several months.
22:55 <@oddball> And the fact that YouTube is a Google company, based in California, pretty much means that the internal politics of the company is anti-gun.
22:59 <@Dagmar> With zillions of users and people sending penis pics to children on a daily basis, I get the feeling such a systemic technical abuse could actually go on a long time without someone in possession of the requisite wide-angle view spotting and fixing it
23:00 <@Dagmar> Remember, I had a guy literally saying that I was a dangeruos and violent lunatic _in reviews of my freaking septicycle widget app_ and it took more than one email back and forth to actually get those removed
23:01 <@Dagmar> Straight up, 100% unrelated to the app, aspersions of character, and I had to explicitly request they be deleted in a second round of emails
23:02 <@Dagmar> The first response I got back was literally someone advising me to pay more attention to user feedback
23:02 <@Dagmar> It wasn't a bot, either
23:02 <@Dagmar> This was a _person_
23:02 <@Dagmar> The one-star ratings I could not give two shits about
23:03 <@Dagmar> The serious accusations being made by the chucklehead from Illinois was a _major_ problem
23:03 <@Dagmar> Comcast may be legendary for employing idiots, but it's very clear that Google/Youtube have their share of them as well
23:06 <@oddball> Oh, speaking of ISPs, did I tell you that I figured out the issues with tunnelling with the new modem/router with TDS?
23:07 <@oddball> Apparently it doesn't support NAT reflection for... reasons.
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