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06:33 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:35 <@Catonic> guten tag
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08:05 < aestetix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFTqEthVwAAtllq.jpg
08:06 < aestetix> here's another good one
08:06 < aestetix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFToe9QUMAAFeRo.jpg
08:07 <@Dagmar> I would just like it if places like THe Mary Sue would just shut their holes
08:08 <@Dagmar> They're _still_ bitching and whining about the vanishing minority of people who are being sexist twats about the female Doctor
08:08 <@Dagmar> ...and acting like complete asses when people tell them to shut the fuck up because a few cranks in Hoboken, NJ are not newsworthy.
08:09 < aestetix> what is The Mary Sue?
08:10 < aestetix> I'm mostly marvelling that Richard Dawkins got deplatformed for negative comments about Islam
08:10 < aestetix> The guy who is one of the most famous atheists in the world... who wrote a book called The God Delusion... and they were surprised he tweeted something negative about Islam?
08:27 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Lately they're a shitblog for SJW mudflinging
08:31 < aestetix> oh ok
08:31 < aestetix> so if I see anything linking to them I'll know not to click on it
09:38 <@dasunt> I forget my opinion of The Mary Sue.
09:38 <@dasunt> My opinion of Dawkins is that he's generally an asshole.
09:39 < aestetix> agreed
09:39 < aestetix> I absolutely hate him
09:39 < aestetix> But I think that to be surprised that an outspoken atheist said something bad about a religion....
09:39 < aestetix> is idiotic
09:40 <@Dagmar> Mine can't get much lower since Moffat himself bitched about this shit-stirring behaviour explicitly on the basis of literally NO ONE at SDCC had a problem with Jodie being the new Doctor, and cited the fact that two querulous assholes "somewhere on the internet" isn't newsworthy
09:40 < oddball> Evangelical atheists typically are.
09:40 <@Dagmar> ...and The Mary Sue acted like he was part of some fucking cover-up.
09:40 <@Dagmar> Fuck those people for flagrantly _making shit up_
09:40 <@dasunt> So what did Dawkins actually say?
09:40 < aestetix> dasunt: I was trying to find that actually
09:41 < aestetix> I read the letter the place wrote that deplatformed him, they didn't cite it
09:41 < aestetix> and none of the news articles say
09:41 <@Dagmar> It's basically bullshit from start to finish
09:41 <@dasunt> So, ummm...  Guess we don't get to make our own interpretation of what he said.
09:41 <@dasunt> It's just bad.
09:41 < aestetix> yep
09:41 <@Dagmar> They were worried an atheist might have something negative to say about a religion, and you can't challenge world-views on college campuses anymore
09:41 <@dasunt> Good, I didn't want to deal with any pesky thinking anyways.
09:42 <@Dagmar> Someone might have feels, and then they'll need therapy and a safe space
09:42 < aestetix> let me look and see if I can find it
09:42 <@dasunt> I'm totally sick of the female doctor thing as well.
09:42 <@Dagmar> We're supposed to assume it's bad because they say it's bad since it was bad enough for a bunch of whining bitches to stomp their feet and act petulant about it
09:42 < aestetix> The radio station cited tweets from Dawkins including one that read: “I think Islam is the greatest force for evil in the world today” and pointed to a recent Telegraph article in which Dawkins was quoted as saying that “if you look at the actual impact that different religions have on the world it’s quite apparent that at present the most evil religion in the world has to be Islam”.
09:42 < aestetix> https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/jul/24/richard-dawkins-event-cancelled-over-his-abusive-speech-against-islam
09:42 < PigBot> Title: Richard Dawkins event cancelled over his 'abusive speech against Islam' | Science | The Guardian (at www.theguardian.com) http://tinyurl.com/yde5omsl
09:43 <@Dagmar> ...and it was probably something like "killing people over religion is stupid and the muslims currently have cornered that market"
09:43 < aestetix> probably this
09:43 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/richarddawkins/status/307366714105032704?lang=en
09:43 <@dasunt> aestetix: Hmmm.  Not sure if I'd agree with that.
09:43 < aestetix> but its like
09:43 <@dasunt> OTOH, I'd rather have a reasonable debate than start banning people.
09:43 <@Dagmar> THe fucking Baptists and Catholics say the same things at different times
09:43 < aestetix> news at 11, atheist hates a religion
09:43 <@Dagmar> This is nothing new
09:43 <@Dagmar> They were just being pissy because someone might be offended
09:43 <@dasunt> What religion is killing Muslims in Southeast Asia again?
09:44  * dasunt forgets - is it the buddhists?
09:44 <@Dagmar> lol
09:44 <@Dagmar> I doubt that
09:44 < aestetix> but serious
09:44 < aestetix> the level of stupidity of that radio station
09:44 <@Dagmar> If there's a buddhist killing people and it's not in self-defense, they're a pretty shit buudhist
09:44 <@Dagmar> Maybe they're talking them to death
09:45 <@dasunt> Dagmar: Yep, it is.  In Myanmar.
09:45 <@dasunt> It's almost as if any popular religion is flexible enough to be used to justify almost anything.
09:45 < aestetix> including feminism
09:45 < aestetix> and antifa
09:46 < aestetix> I mean, many people in here have run conferences
09:46 < aestetix> there's sort of a protocol for uninviting a speaker
09:46 <@dasunt> All we need is two groups - us and them.  Then we have everything necessary to be assholes.
09:46 < aestetix> and none of these places follow them
09:46 <@Dagmar> After doing a bit of research... it was shitty buddhists
09:46 <@dasunt> Dagmar: No true Buddhists?
09:46 < aestetix> the protocol which includes privately reaching out to the speaker and getting clarification on whatever issue
09:47 <@Evilpig> isn't the protocol for that just to email or call them and say "please don't come, we've had a change of heart"
09:47 <@dasunt> If only they were Scots.  :p
09:47 <@Dagmar> You REALLY have to be missing hte point to be engaging in violence over Buddhism
09:47 <@dasunt> Dagmar: Have you checked the history of Japan?
09:47 <@Dagmar> Yeah
09:47 <@dasunt> I find it humorous myself that temples would actually fight each other in the streets of Kyoto.
09:47 < aestetix> Evilpig: the problem with that is it demeans every other invitation you put out
09:47 <@dasunt> But they would, and they were Buddhists.
09:47 <@Dagmar> There's religion, and there's keeping the shit you've been growing so that you don't starve to death
09:48 < aestetix> I'd understand if this was some event that was run by a newb
09:48 < aestetix> but this is a radio station that has clearly had events like this before
09:48 <@dasunt> Heck, look it Christianity - the main guy's only act of violence is against money changers.  Look at Christians in history.
09:48 <@Dagmar> Also, there's a difference between fighting, and slaughter
09:49 < aestetix> dasunt: and the money changers deserved it
09:49 <@Dagmar> Bare-handed fighting styles just don't seem to get that worked up about needing to _kill_ the opponent.
09:49 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: that difference is laughter
09:50 <@Dagmar> ...and if you're talking about various _schools_ fighting, there was definietly no emphasis on killing.
09:50 <@Dagmar> Those were all about showing who was better
09:52 <@dasunt> Dagmar: I'd have to find my reference again, my books are at home.
09:56 <@dasunt> Anyways, as I said, popular religions tend to be *flexible*
09:56 <@dasunt> Sihkism's founder was very pacifist.  That didn't prevent Indira Gandhi's death.
09:59 <@dasunt> So in non-political news, I discoverd the Project Euler website.  That's some fun stuff.
10:03 <@Corydon76> dasunt: I dunno, I think there's a great variability there.  Sometimes popular religions are formed because they view what was previously available was TOO flexible.
10:03 <@Corydon76> Think the Reformation.
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10:20 < aestetix> I have an unrelated question
10:20 < aestetix> are bronies furries?
10:26 <@opticron> probably depends on the brony
10:28 < aestetix> lol
10:41 <@dasunt> Fuck, my answer for one of the project Euler problems is wrong.  :(
10:47 < oddball> aestetix: not necessarily, but there is an intersection.
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11:08 < aestetix> dasunt: how many have you solved?
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12:06 < oddball> Weeee.... called up TDS over the fact that I keep getting disconnected, and the tech informs me that my modem is offline... right now...
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12:12 <@Corydon76> Where's polerin when you need her to explain exactly how to diagnose the root cause?
12:13 <@Corydon76> The one eventual successful assistant I had in Antioch was with a "sweep tech".
12:13 <@Corydon76> err, assistance
12:14 < oddball> This is with TDS, not Comcast.
12:15 <@Corydon76> It isn't the same technology, just a different vendor?
12:16 < oddball> It isn't cable.  They pulled fiber in.
12:16 <@Corydon76> Ugh.
12:17 <@Corydon76> I mean, yeah, fiber is better.  But ugh, back to square one.
12:17 < oddball> The fact that the modem stops talking to home base after a while makes me think that it's the modem.
12:20 <@Corydon76> That should be easy to test, assuming you don't get another bum modem
12:20 < oddball> yup
12:30 <@dasunt> aestetix: 0.  Trying #607 right now.
12:30 <@dasunt> ;)
12:30 <@dasunt> Thought I had a solution, but nope, not the right answer.
13:00 <@dasunt> Which either means I'm not getting the precision right, or have an error in my code, or my method is wrong.  :(
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15:08 < aestetix> ok I'll check with you guys
15:08 < aestetix> am I totally bonkers for thinking that giving sex hormones to an 8 year old is child abuse?
15:09 <@opticron> are they medically required for some reason?
15:09 < aestetix> "because the child wants to transition gender"
15:10 <@Corydon76> Given that the child is under extended care of a team of psychiatrists, doctors, and other mental health professionals, who have approved the treatment, do you suggest that the government substitute the judgement of a bureaucrat for that of medical professionals?
15:11 < aestetix> Who said anything about government?
15:11 <@Corydon76> That is the standard of care for ANY person wishing to transition, not just minors.
15:11 <@Corydon76> You specified child abuse, which is where government gets involved
15:11 < aestetix> I just said child abuse.
15:12 <@Corydon76> Are you suggesting that government should not intervene in cases of child abuse?
15:12 < aestetix> No, you're suggesting I'm suggesting that.
15:12 <@Corydon76> No, I'm pointing out normal standards.
15:13 < aestetix> You're also implying a parade of highly qualified medical professionals all agreeing on this, which I doubt would happen
15:13 < aestetix> Basically, you have taken a simple question and inferred all kinds of things I didn't ask into it.
15:13 <@Corydon76> Then you're woefully misinformed, and you ought to educate yourself
15:14 < aestetix> Please enlighten me then.
15:14 <@Corydon76> I already did
15:14 < aestetix> ...
15:14 < aestetix> Anyone else have thoughts on this?
15:20 <@Corydon76> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz_Jennings
15:21 < PigBot> Title: Jazz Jennings - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/jmdlbcd
15:23 <@Corydon76> http://transhealth.ucsf.edu/trans?page=guidelines-youth
15:23 < PigBot> Title: Guidelines for the Primary and Gender-Affirming Care of Transgender and Gender Nonbinary People: Health considerations for gender non-conforming children and transgender adolescents (at transhealth.ucsf.edu) http://tinyurl.com/gpqcfg9
15:23 < aestetix> Corydon76: I'm no longer going to respond to you on this topic, because I have the feeling you're a few steps away from calling me names.
15:24 <@Corydon76> ^^^ Note to all:  here's how you get aestetix to stop trolling you.
15:26 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/866081634549891072?lang=en
15:26 < PigBot> Title: Jordan B Peterson on Twitter: "Another lie: "he said the gender unicorn is a tool used by trans adults to twist the minds of children into thinking they are trans." https://t.co/LRNKNQCCmQ" (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/ycl6xraj
15:43 <@Corydon76> Great, a citation by a guy who believes that his own speech is more important than other people's human rights.
16:42  * dasunt gives up programming today.
16:42 <@dasunt> "Gender unicorn"?
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17:07 <@dasunt> aestetix: Okay, now I'm up to one problem solved.  When in doubt, use brute force.
17:07  * dasunt thought he had an elegant answer, but...
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