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03:04 < aestetix> rattle: you should come to CCC
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05:31 <@Shadow404> rattle: been there, done that. Was for the better.
05:48 < aestetix> Seems like a high percentage of this channel is divorced
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06:38 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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07:53  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
08:14 < aestetix> so two questions for you guys
08:14 < aestetix> 1. did any of you learn latin or ancient greek
08:15 < aestetix> 2. any idea why the US abandoned the classical education system? seems to have happened around ww2ish
08:16 < K`Tetch_> define 'classical education system'
08:17 < aestetix> reading the works of greece and rome
08:17 < aestetix> and the other great works over the centuries
08:17 < K`Tetch_> hell, I never did that, and I went to a 300yo school that was literally just awarded 'best in the uk' this past summer
08:18 < aestetix> and teaching basic critical thinking, etc
08:19 < K`Tetch_> I would say 'the rise in school sports, particularly as a gateway to professional sports'
08:19 < aestetix> hmm yeah that makes some sense
08:20 < aestetix> did your school teach latin or greek?
08:33 <@Dolemite> Post WWII you also had the red scare and McCarthyism, which pretty much changed our political structure to one of emphasizing compliance with authority over questioning it.
08:35 < aestetix> Dolemite: but does that also entail throwing out centuries of tradition in favor of a system which IMHO doesn't work at all?
08:39 <@Dolemite> When it doesn't conform to your goals, yes.
08:40 <@Dolemite> That being said, I do recall in my podunk rural high school reading some classics
08:40 <@Dolemite> But they were few and far between
08:40 <@Dolemite> We'd read excerpts from Plato and Socrates, rather than entire works.
08:41 < aestetix> still better than nothing
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08:41 <@Dolemite> I do remember a pretty deep dive into Lysistrata
08:41 < aestetix> The play feminists love to hate :)
08:41 <@Dolemite> The reason I recall it so well is that it was in English class, not Drama (which I also took)
08:41 <@Dolemite> Feminists hate everything, especially themselvs.
08:42 <@Dolemite> themselves
08:42 <@Dolemite> Ha!
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08:50 <@Shadow404> yeah, i think red square kind of changed education system to some degree, but i think classical education style as you define was on its way out before ww2
08:51 <@Shadow404> aestetix: yeah, but i dont think its just this channel, i think the divorce rate is high in society in general
08:51 <@Shadow404> square/scare
08:53 <@Shadow404> but i also think that over the last 15-20ish years, the education system has been more focused on just readying kids for sat/end of year testing to pass state set goals...which has it upsides and downsides in itself
08:54 <@opticron> aestetix, only latin was offered at my HS and only as a remote learning course, but my HS wasn't really representative of the others in the area
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11:11 < TheDukh> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/21/us/politics/sean-spicer-resigns-as-white-house-press-secretary.html?mcubz=1
11:11 < PigBot> Title: Sean Spicer Resigns as White House Press Secretary - The New York Times (at www.nytimes.com) http://tinyurl.com/ycweyrpg
11:23 <@Shadow404> about time
12:02 <@Corydon76> Yeah, but consider that he did it as a statement on integrity
12:05 < K`Tetch_> HA!
12:07 <@Corydon76> As bad as Spicer is, the new communications director is so much worse
12:07 <@Corydon76> And that was his stated reason for resigning
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12:24 <@rattle> It's going to be a weird week.  Spicer, for all his flaws, was the guy holding Trump back in most cases.
12:25 <@rattle> I can only imagine who the next press sec will be.  O'Reilly?  Heh..
12:25 <@Corydon76> Word is that Reince Priebus will be next to go
12:26 <@rattle> The entire EOP structure is fucked up.  This is a very different white house.
12:42 <@Catonic> car won't start. FML.
12:43 <@Catonic> looks like main relay problem.
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17:24 < aestetix> awwww
17:24 < aestetix> I'm gonna miss Spicey
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18:49 < _NSAKEY> Guys, this just means that Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf has a shot at the job.
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22:33 <@Catonic> whoever hax0red the gibson and cut power to my mainframe... mad props, bro.
22:53 < dc0de[m]> Catonic: yours too?
23:10 <@Catonic> fucking router and switch went all come at me bro with each other
23:11 <@Catonic> ... and the raid depaired
23:12 <@Catonic> finish=4705.0min
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