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05:30 < _NSAKEY> Wow. I'm kind of surprised this hasn't happened already. https://marc.info/?l=freebsd-commits-all&m=149918307723723&w=2
05:31 < PigBot> Title: 'svn commit: r320644 - in head: bin/rcp libexec/rlogind libexec/rshd usr.bin/rlogin usr.bin/rsh usr.b' - MARC (at marc.info) http://tinyurl.com/ydexldao
06:18 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:41 < xray> mornin
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07:46 <@Evilpig> a printer responsible for 90% of all the dns queries here.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/bivtota48hpml8p/Screenshot%202017-07-05%2007.46.31.png?dl=0
07:46 < PigBot> Title: Dropbox - Screenshot 2017-07-05 07.46.31.png (at www.dropbox.com) http://tinyurl.com/y93ntxvx
07:46 <@Evilpig> it has some fucked up firmware issue where it queries dns for "localhost"
07:56 <@Dolemite> daaaamn
07:57 <@Dolemite> Yesterday I was having to deal with HP's stupidity in their wireless OfficeJet drivers.
07:58 <@Dolemite> Apparently the installer app written specifically for Windows 10 64 bit has no clue how to discover the printer, yet the Windows Device Manager can do it.
08:04 <@rattle> SAY MY NAME.  SAY MY NAME MUTHERFUCKER!
08:04 <@Dolemite> be0tch
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08:58  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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10:05 <@Catonic> rattle: gee, I didn't know you spoke Southern Murican.
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12:11 < aestetix> wow
12:11 < aestetix> fuck CNN
12:11 < aestetix> http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/04/politics/kfile-reddit-user-trump-tweet/index.html
12:11 < PigBot> Title: How CNN found the Reddit user behind the Trump wrestling GIF - CNNPolitics.com (at edition.cnn.com) http://tinyurl.com/ybqr9or3
12:11 < aestetix> I realize Trump is a big baby with a thin skin
12:11 < aestetix> but it seems that CNN is no different
12:15 < aestetix> CNN uncovered the identity of the person who made the silly Trump/CNN gif that Trump tweeted, and have said they won't release the guys name because he apologized.
12:15 < aestetix> But they added that if he does anything else, they'll release the name.
12:16 < aestetix> This after all the news about CNN having to fire journalists for fake stories, and the undercover videos of CNN admitting they have no evidence of Russia collusion
12:16 < dc0de[m]> Everyone is too thin skinned...
12:17 < aestetix> I'd say this is the behavior of angry teenage girls, but that's unfair to the girls
12:17 < dc0de[m]> It's time to put clean underwear on and go to work
12:17 < aestetix> I'm also kind of curious how CNN isn't committing blackmail
12:17 < dc0de[m]> aestetix: agreed. Just childish, all around.
13:01 < aestetix> and another CNN leak just came out
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14:35 < K`Tetch_> 13:16:24 «aestetix» This after all the news about CNN having to fire journalists for fake stories, <-- aka 'having journalistic ethics'
14:35 < K`Tetch_> "and the undercover videos of CNN admitting they have no evidence of Russia collusion" <-- a edited video, by a guy who'se done several edited videos where the raw video undermined the claim the edited video made
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15:21 < aestetix> K`Tetch_: it's not about ethics, it's about lack of editorial oversight
15:21 < aestetix> K`Tetch_: also, I have not seen the raw videos you refer to, could you link them?
16:06 < K`Tetch_> no, because, as usual, oKeefe is refusing to release them
16:07 < K`Tetch_> but considering his past, it's a safe assumption
16:08 < aestetix> ok. I don't know much about his past
16:08 < aestetix> I only saw the recent videos, and they look damning.
16:08 < aestetix> Of course I'm happy to consider new data points
16:09 < aestetix> although it's odd he refuses to release the raw video
16:10 < K`Tetch_> you've never heard of okeefe's older videos?
16:10 < aestetix> nope
16:10 < K`Tetch_> the acorn stings that were anythign but? hsi breaking into senators ofices to plant microphones?
16:11 < aestetix> but I mean
16:11 < aestetix> he got that guy from cnn to admit that the media seems to have no evidence of a russia collusion
16:11 < aestetix> and the guy said "if there were something, it would have leaked by now"
16:11 < K`Tetch_> no, that's the poitn, what was said beforehand?
16:12 < aestetix> good point
16:12 < aestetix> I have no idea. Are there ways to frame that where it would sound totally innocent?
16:12 < K`Tetch_> he did the same thing with an NPR guy in 2011, and Americans united for change last year (btw last year, the project was funded by the Trump foundation
16:13 < aestetix> and those 2011 raw videos are released?
16:13 < K`Tetch_> I dunno, but you just said "that guy from cnn sound totally innocent'
16:13 < aestetix> lol
16:14 < K`Tetch_> and yes, the raw videos from 2011 were rleased int he end
16:14 < aestetix> yes, but I could easily come out and say I didn't say that
16:14 < aestetix> and demand you release the full audio
16:14 < K`Tetch_> and those in the CNN video have said 'we didn't say what was in the tape'
16:14 < aestetix> oh ok
16:14 < aestetix> I didn't see that
16:14 < K`Tetch_> that's how these work
16:15 < K`Tetch_> again, O'keefe (not to be confused with the James oKeefe that runs the Mass. state Pirate Party) is a protege of Andrew Breitbart, and has been funded by the Trump Foundation
16:16 < aestetix> http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/18/project-veritas-election-videos/
16:16 < PigBot> Title: Project Veritas Election 2016 Rigging Videos (at www.snopes.com) http://tinyurl.com/jgl6cnq
16:17 < aestetix> ok, I'll look more into this later, thanks for the pointers though
16:17 < K`Tetch_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O%27Keefe hs more too
16:17 < PigBot> Title: James O'Keefe - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/zz6w89w
16:18 < aestetix> I still hate CNN, but I want to make sure the reasons I hate CNN are fact based :)
16:37 < K`Tetch_> this sort of discussion is why i wana set up a podcast
16:37 < K`Tetch_> if i ever get around to it, would you come on at least once, aestetix?
16:37 < aestetix> of course
16:37 < aestetix> provided you edit to make me look good ;)
16:38 < K`Tetch_> hey now, I'm no o'keefe
16:38 < aestetix> so one question
16:38 < aestetix> and I haven't loooked into his past yet
16:38 < K`Tetch_> i'll take out pauses, hesitations, and maybe reorder whole chunks, but thats all
16:38 < aestetix> he's done stuff in the past, but is it possible he learned from it and isn't doing that now?
16:38 < K`Tetch_> no
16:39 < aestetix> two immediate reasons I suggest this
16:39 < K`Tetch_> why when he has a captive audience in the likes of breitbart
16:39 < aestetix> first, CNN was clearly pushing for Hillary, and they clearly hate Trump. So this actually falls in line with that narrative
16:39 < K`Tetch_> EVERYONE hates trump
16:39 < aestetix> That's not true
16:40 < K`Tetch_> well, everyone coherent
16:40 < aestetix> Trump is an answer to complains I have. I just don't like how he answers them.
16:40 < K`Tetch_> what comaplints is that?
16:41 < aestetix> Like, political correctness is a problem that should be solved with frankness and honesty. He solves it by being vulgar and offensive.
16:41 < K`Tetch_> oh boy... 'political correctness' is not actually a thing. it's what assholes claim when peolpe point out to the assholes that they're being assholes
16:41 < aestetix> I disagree but I'm not touching that can of worms right now
16:42 < K`Tetch_> its the prime right-wing snowflakery
16:42 < aestetix> I mean in a choice between hillary and trump, my best answer is "fuck this" and go fishing
16:42 < K`Tetch_> ok, so what was your objections to hillary?
16:42 < K`Tetch_> (remember, I'm no Dem, I'm literally a pirate)
16:43 < aestetix> ok there are a few things
16:43 < K`Tetch_> (and just re-drafted to be national party secretary last week)
16:43 < aestetix> her 2006 vote to re-authorize the USA Patriot Act
16:43 < aestetix> her campaign getting 20 million in funding from Saudi Arabia
16:43 < aestetix> And on a personal level, she just seems fake to me. I don't trust her.
16:43 < K`Tetch_> yep, wasn't a fan of the that vote (an ditto the FISA amendment act in 2008, which was when the pirate party removed its endorsement of obama)
16:44 < aestetix> yep, I was very unhappy with obama over that
16:44 < K`Tetch_> her campaign didn't get 20M in funding from saudi arabia (that would be against te law)
16:44 < aestetix> now the real question to ask me is who do I prefer to be potus
16:44 < aestetix> and I don't have a good answer.
16:45 < aestetix> I could have sworn I saw that somewhere
16:46 < K`Tetch_> her foundation got between 10-15M over the last efw years, butt hat's got strict reporting and spending restrictions
16:46 < K`Tetch_> her campaign finances are easily viewed on the FEC website
16:47 < aestetix> I clearly remember seeing some site that looked official and had 20 million to her from kingdom of saudi arabia
16:47 < aestetix> rying to find it
16:47 < K`Tetch_> you mean something like this - http://nypost.com/2016/11/05/the-clinton-foundations-off-the-books-20-million-mystery/
16:47 < PigBot> K`Tetch_: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 30480 bytes.
16:49 < K`Tetch_> which talks about haiti and the foundation
16:49 < K`Tetch_> or http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1498636/posts
16:49 < PigBot> Title: Saudis coughed up as much as $20M to clinton-library slush fund(TREASONOUS CLINTON QUID PRO QUOS?) (at www.freerepublic.com) http://tinyurl.com/y6uzfqjd
16:49 < K`Tetch_> ...which is from 2005
16:49 < aestetix> ok I was wrong
16:49 < aestetix> https://www.clintonfoundation.org/contributors?category=%2410%2C000%2C001+to+%2425%2C000%2C000
16:49 < PigBot> Title: Contributor and Grantor Information | Clinton Foundation (at www.clintonfoundation.org) http://tinyurl.com/hl2o6da
16:49 < aestetix> it was to the clinton foundation
16:50 < K`Tetch_> this is how fake news thrives :-)
16:50 < K`Tetch_> panders to prejudices, to have people think something says something that it doesn't
16:52 < aestetix> I have other reasons I don't like her, but probably shouldn't fill the channel with them
16:53 < aestetix> at the moment I do not trust any politicians in DC, period
16:53 < aestetix> although maybe you can answer this
16:53 < aestetix> why did the donations to the clinton foundation dry up after she lost?
16:55 < K`Tetch_> because the foundation has, from what i've read (although not sure how true it is) scaled back operations for now, to work on existing projects
16:56 < aestetix> well see this is the problem
16:56 < aestetix> this shit is so complex it's not possible for anyone to keep up with it unless that's all they do
16:56 < K`Tetch_> modern life is complex
16:56 < aestetix> for example
16:56 < aestetix> I no longer trust anything MSNBC says
16:56 < aestetix> after the rachel maddow tax crap
16:57 < K`Tetch_> so who do you trust?
16:57 < aestetix> I've basically stopped paying attention to the news
16:57 < K`Tetch_> (apart from me)
16:57 < aestetix> with the possible exception of NPR
16:57 < aestetix> NPR is biased, but at least they are fact based
16:57 < K`Tetch_> I have the npr 'up first' and bbc world news podcasts each day
16:58 < aestetix> I mean I also disagree with the direction the US is going
16:58 < aestetix> I view clinton as an extension of Obama, who I was very unhappy with
16:58 < K`Tetch_> also, check out mock the week, have i got news for you, and The last leg - 3 good uk shows
16:59 < aestetix> there's also the problem that you can't discuss any topic with americans without being called names
16:59 < K`Tetch_> obama and cinton are both center-right, so i amnot surprised
17:00 < aestetix> and trump is center-nuts
17:01 < K`Tetch_> oh no, he's way into far right authoratarianism
17:02 < aestetix> ok here is an example of how bad things are
17:02 < aestetix> http://blog.samaltman.com/what-i-heard-from-trump-supporters
17:02 < PigBot> Title: What I Heard From Trump Supporters - Sam Altman (at blog.samaltman.com) http://tinyurl.com/gt34vpb
17:02 < K`Tetch_> 9of course, america has a love of authoratarianism, such as the pledge of allegence
17:02 < aestetix> the president of Y Combinator is so surrounded by people like him that he couldn't even begin to understand why someone would vote trump
17:02 < aestetix> and had to engage on a journey to discover this
17:03 < aestetix> Most rich liberals in cities are like that
17:03 < aestetix> I hate trump, but I know why people voted for him
17:04 < aestetix> well authority isn't a bad thing when it's balanced and reasonable
17:04 < K`Tetch_> ths county's a big trump supporter - i wrote abotut heir delusion abotu what he is and can do in november
17:04 < K`Tetch_> https://medium.com/@ktetch/upsons-trump-delusion-f6a14546c093?source=user_profile---------3-----------
17:04 < PigBot> Title: Upson’s Trump Delusion – K`Tetch – Medium (at medium.com) http://tinyurl.com/y7vmr4w4
17:04 < aestetix> "One person in Silicon Valley even asked me to sign a confidentiality agreement before she would talk to me, as she worried she’d lose her job if people at her company knew she was a strong Trump supporter. "
17:04 < aestetix> That's a problem
17:04 < K`Tetch_> well, yes and no
17:05 < K`Tetch_> persecution complexes are common in far right ideology
17:06 < aestetix> So you make a number of assumptions there
17:06 < aestetix> first, that she's far right
17:06 < aestetix> I'm not sure that's true. All I know is she is a trump supporter
17:06 < K`Tetch_> no, i made a general statement, that amongst the far right, persecution complexes are common
17:06 < aestetix> second, that this wouldn't actually happen. the bay area has become a very toxic place, I think her concern is totally reasonable
17:07 < aestetix> you've seen what happens when someone says something that goes against the grain on social media and their life is destroyed?
17:07 < K`Tetch_> i've had people try and d that to me
17:08 < aestetix> http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/12/political-polarization-in-the-american-public/
17:08 < PigBot> Title: Political Polarization in the American Public | Pew Research Center (at www.people-press.org) http://tinyurl.com/p4scahz
17:08 < aestetix> notice the split
17:08 < aestetix> and it's only getting worse
17:09 < aestetix> further, I saw a *lot* of persecution complexes in the bay area, so I assure you that is not limited to far right
17:16 < aestetix> K`Tetch_: tell me more about this podcast
17:42 <@Dagmar> The only reason it's polarization is because the people up top are so good at convincing the people down below that half the population is causing the other half's suffering.
17:42 <@Dagmar> ...rather than everyone realizing it's the assholes on top who are causing all of it.
17:43 <@Dagmar> Basically, it's a form of http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LetsYouAndHimFight
17:43 < PigBot> Title: Let's You and Him Fight - TV Tropes (at tvtropes.org) http://tinyurl.com/yc4fessq
18:00 < aestetix> Dagmar: agreed
18:12 < K`Tetch_> aestetix - basically a mix between a topical news, and a focus on a specific issue related to the person. so maybe with you the role of nymrights and pseudonymity in morern days
18:13 < K`Tetch_> with someone else maybe net neutrality, or surveilance society, or darknets, or cryptocurrency etc
18:13 < aestetix> ah cool
18:13 < K`Tetch_> still working on the idea for now though
18:14 < K`Tetch_> and maybe audio, and maybe video-based, although it'd make the editing a bit harder
18:14 < K`Tetch_> (but i have more experience video editing than audio editing)
18:15 < aestetix> due to $life I haven't been actively involved in name related stuff recently, although the core issues are very fascinating
18:16 < K`Tetch_> right, i was just picking out a topic at random
18:16 < aestetix> hah I know
18:16 < K`Tetch_> although the cnn solo thing is right in the nymrights wheelhouse
18:16 < aestetix> god that was so stupid of them
18:17 < K`Tetch_> another person I'd love to speak to on it is a guy called Stephen Briggs, who did most of the discworld audiobooks, and all the discworld play adaptations,
18:17 < K`Tetch_> so a variety of people
18:17 < aestetix> yeah
18:18 < K`Tetch_> strugglign on a name and stuff though
18:18 < aestetix> another topic I find very fascinating is a resurgent battle in berlin right now between communism and capitalism
18:18 < aestetix> then again berlin has been trying to figure itself out for the last 60 or so years
18:21 < K`Tetch_> yeah
18:22 < aestetix> it's very fascinating to see especially american activist coming to berlin and saying they are communists, and then watching them interact with people who lived in east berlin, which actually was communist
18:30 < aestetix> K`Tetch_: suffice it to say, there is a long list of topics worthy of discussion that IMHO are not getting enough coverage, so I look forward to your podcast :)
18:31 < K`Tetch_> I need a name!
18:31 < K`Tetch_> 'politics and P2P podcast' isn't very catchy
18:31 < K`Tetch_> btw, email fraud Shiva is doing an AMA in /r/the_donald/ atm if anyone wants to crash it
18:32 < K`Tetch_> https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6lfinq/im_shiva_and_ill_be_your_next_united_states/
18:32 < PigBot> Title: I’m SHIVA and I'll Be Your Next United States Senator from Massachusetts : The_Donald (at www.reddit.com) http://tinyurl.com/ycybke6v
18:33 < aestetix> oh wow people actually read r/the_donald?
18:34 < K`Tetch_> very weird people
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20:00 <@am1n0> anyone happen to have a cisco login and could get me a couple firmwares for a cisco phone?
20:00 <@am1n0> cisco phones are great but their website sucks
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