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08:36 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
09:00 <@rattle> Remember when all the 2600 kids thought Robert Steele was like, some sorta real deal guy?  I remember getting so much shit for heckling that guy at HOPE one year.
09:03 <@Dagmar> rattle: Looks like today is an up day
09:04 <@Dagmar> Time to go find a site on the darknet to bet against Coinbase staying up
09:04 <@rattle> My fund has been averaging out alright since the 27th..
09:05 <@Dagmar> My guess is that LTC will bump up against 50 today, and ETH _might_ get to 300 again
09:06 <@Dagmar> There's like, 3 million between here and there, so... it won't be happening early in the day
09:08 <@rattle> I'm 84% in right now.  At some point where I'm about 3-5% up from my worst buys, I'm going to pull back to roughly 50% and wait for the next major dip..
09:09 <@rattle> I actually fell below 100% total gain at one point..  Spooked me a bit.  I'm really glad a profit took at the right time last month.
09:11 <@rattle> What I'd REALLY like is another ETH flash crash.. :)
09:14 <@Dagmar> That idiot billionaire is out of the market now so it probably won't happen again
09:14 <@Dagmar> I'm sure you saw the guy in the news
09:14 <@rattle> The high school kid?
09:15 <@Dagmar> No, an actual billionaire
09:15 <@rattle> I missed that.
09:16 <@Dagmar> SOme guy who the news was excited about for being rich and having put a bunch of huge amount of his assets into cryptocurrencies apparently scaled all that back to about 20%
09:16 <@rattle> In one very stupid market order..  yeah.
09:16 <@Dagmar> Yep
09:17 <@Dagmar> He did this at almost the exact time that crash happened, so I'm figuring there was a very good chance it was him
09:17 < K`Tetch> heh
09:18 <@rattle> I don't think today's momentum is sustainable.  It's going to turn.  It's just when..
09:19 <@Dagmar> None of this is "sustainable"
09:19 <@Dagmar> If it were "sustainable" it would be stable and I wouldn't make jack
09:19 <@rattle> I wish I had a bit more in ETH at the moment..  Heh.
09:20 <@Dagmar> I would like to have _less_ in ETH, which is why I'm pleased it's going up
09:21 <@Dagmar> rattle: The guy's last name was like 'Novogrod' or something
09:22 <@Dagmar> I've seen it 3-4 times in the press since the flash crash
09:36 <@rattle> I just dumped a bunch of BTC.  At 53% out..
09:37 <@Corydon76> Reminds me that I need to replace the power supply in my ETH miner, so I can get it back online
09:37 <@rattle> Rather 53% in..  Either way, market would have to totally tank for me to me down today.  Which, I sorta hope it does.
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09:44 < aestetix> it makes me kind of sad O'Reilly is ending their book publishing
09:46 <@Corydon76> They're not ending their book publishing
09:47 < aestetix> Print book publishing, then
09:47 <@Corydon76> They're simply ending their online direct sales of books.
09:47 < aestetix> I like physical books
09:51 <@Corydon76> So?  You can still buy O'Reilly titles at your favorite bookseller
09:52 < aestetix> oh ok. I had thought they were ending print books period.
09:52 <@Corydon76> I think they realized, finally, that they were severely undercutting independent booksellers.
09:52  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
09:53 <@Corydon76> And that meant independent booksellers were seeing it as a money-losing proposition to stock their books, which meant an overall loss of influence.
09:53 < aestetix> got it
09:53 <@Corydon76> But most of O'Reilly's business nowadays seems to be in running conferences.
09:54 < aestetix> That actually makes me respect O'Reilly more
09:54 < aestetix> And I've lost a lot of respect for them over Maker Faire stuff
09:55 < xray> what Maker Faire stuff?
09:55 <@Corydon76> I find that spelling it "Faire" is pretentious bullshit.  Like we're supposed to associate it with Renaissance Faires, because they spell it that way
09:55 < aestetix> xray: the DARPA drama. And also, Make is kind of a shitshow
09:56 < xray> Not in the loop on either of those.
09:56 < aestetix> https://slashdot.org/story/12/04/03/1656224/mitch-altman-parts-ways-with-maker-fair-over-darpa-grant
09:56 < PigBot> Title: Mitch Altman Parts Ways With Maker Fair Over DARPA Grant - Slashdot (at slashdot.org) http://tinyurl.com/wx3xsna
09:56 <@Corydon76> Well, duh.  The whole point of it is to get people to make physical stuff, which generally lacks a lot of polish.  And the polished stuff tends to be made by professionals, which obviates the whole point of the movement
09:57 < xray> thanks for the link. reading now
09:57 <@Corydon76> And yet, they're not going to make money showcasing stuff without polish.
09:57 < aestetix> xray: Mitch is a really good friend, and Tim O'Reilly said some really nasty things about Mitch over this.
09:57 < aestetix> Corydon76: agreed
09:58 <@Corydon76> Case in point, my Tshirt and sign stands that I've now made for several organizations.  They're not perfect by any means, but they get the job done
09:59 < aestetix> On a more personal note, Maker Faire has turned into a sort of hobbyist circus where you have amateur hobyists on display for tourist suburbanites to gawk at
09:59 <@Corydon76> aestetix: That's EXACTLY what it should be
09:59 <@Dagmar> That's because they're not making enough lethal devices.
09:59 < aestetix> At least that's what the San Mateo maker faire was like
10:00 <@Dagmar> If there was a chance someone could get their torso blown off by an errant death-ray blast, two things would happen
10:00 <@Dagmar> 1. There would be a lot fewer tourists.
10:00 <@Dagmar> 2. People would pay lots of money to get in to see it.
10:00 < aestetix> wow it seems I'm not the only one who hates Maker Faire
10:00 < xray> I work with Maker/Hacker spaces in the Atlanta area.
10:01 <@Corydon76> The point is not to impress, as in, "I could never do that," but to impress, "I could do better," which inspires more people to go out and actually do that.
10:01 < xray> I'm pretty sure the point is to get kids interested in STEM/STEAM
10:01 < aestetix> what is STEAM
10:01 <@Corydon76> xray: no, that's the marketing angle.  That's how you get schools to host the fairs
10:01 < xray> they had to add Arts to STEM
10:02 <@Dagmar> Fuck liberal arts
10:02 <@Dagmar> Adding the A leaves out what fields?
10:02 <@Dagmar> Bookkeeping?
10:02 < xray> I guess they want some crafts thrown in there
10:02 < xray> I'm perfectly happy with STEM
10:02 <@Dagmar> That's idiotic over-inclusiveness in action
10:02 < xray> agreed
10:03 < xray> All the stuff I have seen at fairs are examples of imagination made manifest
10:03 < aestetix> Dagmar: you don't like radical inclusion?
10:03 < xray> more often than not unpolished which leaves people with the impression "I could do that"
10:03 < xray> which is the point
10:03 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Don't be a fuckwit
10:03 <@Corydon76> xray: exactly
10:04 < xray> Nothing wrong with polish. Some of the hackers spaces show up with some awesome stuff but also the un-polished projects
10:04 < aestetix> I guess it depends on what you mean by Arts
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10:04 < aestetix> But yeah doing something like a book reading seems out of place when everyone else is making robots
10:05 <@Corydon76> What I really love are the projects put together by groups like Huntsville Makers' photobooth, which is intersectionality at its finest
10:05 < aestetix> Unless it's a book about robots
10:05 < aestetix> oh god you used the "i" word
10:06 <@Corydon76> aestetix: only meant in the best way.  You have computer geeks, hardware geeks, and construction geeks coming together on a single project
10:07 < aestetix> oh ok
10:07 < aestetix> Sorry, when I see that word I have learned to run ;)
10:07 < xray> I see it as cross pollination of skills
10:07 <@Corydon76> Any word can be distorted beyond its original meaning
10:07 < xray> the code hacker learns to weld or solder
10:08 <@Dagmar> That's good because we all know that normally that event is accompanied by the smell of burning flash and or tabletops
10:08 <@Corydon76> xray: or use saws, drills, levels, and hammers
10:08 < aestetix> heh
10:08 < xray> exactly
10:08 <@Dagmar> s/flash/flesh/
10:08 < aestetix> it reminds me of a booth noisebridge set up one year, where the entire point was to overload capacitors until they popped
10:09 < aestetix> it was hilarious
10:09 <@Corydon76> Popped capacitors are great, until they happen inside your AC unit
10:09 < xray> especially tantalum capacitors. Them make a nice POP
10:09 < aestetix> We literally had a table with a machine designed to teach kids how to do this
10:10 <@Corydon76> And then it's several days of lying in bed in uncomfortable heat until the repairguy comes out and replaces it
10:10 <@Corydon76> Even more fun is when they show you that even popped capacitors can still hold enough of a charge to make you piss yourself
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11:20 <@Evilpig> very nice.  http://www.anandtech.com/show/11598/asus-launches-xgc100c-10-gbe-adapter-aquantia-aqc107-99
11:20 < PigBot> Title: ASUS Launches XG-C100C 10 GBase-T Adapter: Aquantia AQC107, $99 (at www.anandtech.com) http://tinyurl.com/yx3yyofj
11:20 <@Evilpig> $100 consumer 10G copper nic
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19:39 < Shadow404> Evilpig: getting copper at the house of pig?
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