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07:00 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:00 <@Dolemite> Right leaning FB feed:  Trump is totally vindicated, now!  The whole Russia thing is just politics!
07:00 <@Dolemite> Left leaning FB feed:  OMG why can't we just lock them all up right now?
07:09  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:10 < aestetix> Dolemite: sounds about right
07:10 < aestetix> but where do you find these "leaning" folks
07:10 < aestetix> Leaning implies they are open to rational discussion and could change their mind based on facts
07:10 <@Dolemite> Everybody that I went to high school with = right
07:11 < aestetix> also, what if I'm in favor of both those views?
07:11 <@Dolemite> Everybody else = left, or silent
07:11 <@Dolemite> Mostly people from church = left
07:13 < aestetix> I'd actually love a reality show where they drop the entire senate on a seemingly isolated island for a month and let them duke it out
07:13 < aestetix> I have a feeling it would look a lot like Lord of the Flies
07:14 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: But then you'd have to provide some sort of macguffin to stimulate them to kill each other.
07:14 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: in that case drop Trump in halfway through
07:14 < aestetix> just when their social strata are beginning to stabilize a little bit
07:14 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: As the halftime show? Sounds about right.
07:14 < aestetix> that would be great television
07:15 < dfused> mccain would be the first to go since he'd be too busy ting a banana to a tree branch and chopping at fishes
07:15 < aestetix> It's like a group of guys who are relatively civil to each other, and then a really hot chick moves into town
07:15 < aestetix> And chaos ensues
07:16 < dfused> oh....and... yar.
07:19 < aestetix> Dolemite: do you know of Lee Stranahan?
07:19 < aestetix> He's one of the few journalists I trust, and he puts out a daily digest of the top headlines from the left and right leaning outlets
07:19 < aestetix> So you get NPR, slate, fox news, and a few others
07:19 < aestetix> quite interesting to compare the headlines
07:20 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Did you see the Washinton Post comparison of the news tickers between MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News?
07:20 < aestetix> no
07:20 < aestetix> link?
07:21 < _NSAKEY> https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/politics/comey-hearing-chyrons/?hpid=hp_no-name_graphic-story-a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory
07:21 < PigBot> Title: Comey hearing – Cable news coverage, chyrons - Washington Post (at www.washingtonpost.com) http://tinyurl.com/yd6896nu
07:23 < aestetix> wow
07:24 < aestetix> ok wait a second
07:24 < aestetix> If there *was* a hack of the election by Russia
07:24 < aestetix> but it didn't alter any votes
07:24 < aestetix> then wtf did it do?
07:28 < dfused> I think many are under the impression that while russia was not able to hack voting systems, etc... they were able to get into other things that resulted in changed votes due to people chaning their minds ... symantics.
07:28 < aestetix> so the same thing the CIA has been doing all over the world for the last 50 years?
07:29 < dfused> lol yeah
07:29 < dfused> I mean... a democratically elected govvernment just isnt going to overthrow itself... it needs help
07:32 < aestetix> to help it be.... more democratic?
07:32 < dfused> it was an archer reference
07:33 < aestetix> oh
07:47 < aestetix> so, any of you guys use haproxy?
07:47 < aestetix> I just found a very annoying thing about it
07:49 < aestetix> it turns out that older versions (1.5 and below) only resolve DNS when the process loads
07:49 < aestetix> that might be useful for future reference ;)
08:00 <@Catonic> nice
08:01 <@Catonic> there are lots of things that only resolve dns when they open. Some version of nagios, for instance.
08:06 <@Dolemite> http://boingboing.net/2017/06/08/lord-buckethead-wins-249-votes.html
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09:11 <@dasunt> Yesterday:  *people* I wonder if anyone has screwed up worse than Trump.  *Ms. May*  Hold my beer.
09:13 <@Dolemite> Yeah, but she really started that back in April when she called for the snap election
09:15 <@dasunt> Conservatives in the UK are going to learn never to call an election.
09:16 < aestetix> Question: how has this level of social tension been resolved in the psat?
09:16 < aestetix> Answer: a world war
09:17 <@dasunt> That was back when the world wasn't as integrated.
09:17 < aestetix> dasunt: which only makes everything worse
09:17 <@dasunt> Also, the losing side didn't have nukes.
09:17 < aestetix> I'm not saying it's a good idea.
09:17 < aestetix> I'm saying it's the traditional way these issues are solved.
09:18 <@dasunt> It is, but I hope we've moved beyond it.
09:18 < aestetix> Also, I question how integrated the world actually is
09:18 <@dasunt> aestetix: Very, when it comes to supply chains.
09:19 < aestetix> Yes, but not ideologically
09:19 <@dasunt> Money is an ideology.
09:19 < aestetix> Case in point: the president of Y Combinator (incubator in the bay area) created a research project to find out why people voted for Trump
09:20 < aestetix> He didn't have some republican Trump supporter neighbor he could just ask
09:20 <@dasunt> Oh, you should read the story (on Vox, I think) about Trump supporters in the Kentucky area most helped by the ACA.
09:20 < aestetix> ugh I hate vox
09:21 <@dasunt> It's interesting.  So far, Trump has yet to lose support of his base, despite plans for GOPcare.
09:24 < aestetix> But yeah, the world is very much not ideologically integrated.
09:24 < aestetix> Most democrats I know don't even know the major republican talking points. Same for vise-versa
09:25 < aestetix> And the people emerging out of those groups as "leaders" are the most radical
09:25 < aestetix> Which is a problem
09:26 < aestetix> I'm also guessing that at least Americans feel a genuine loss of control over their lives.
09:26 < aestetix> which makes this worse
09:26 <@dasunt> That's just capitalism at it's finest.
09:26 < aestetix> dasunt: it's one of the uglier facets of an extreme form of capitalism
09:26 < aestetix> Where it honestly starts to look like communism in some ways
09:27 <@dasunt> I'd say it's the flip side, TBH.  It's where capitalism is efficient enough at extracting monies from people that they are in such a state where they can be readily abused by employers.
09:28 < aestetix> I think lack of competition plays a role
09:28 <@dasunt> LOL, this comment:  Conservatives:  Corbyn is a terrorist sympathizer!  Next day:  Let's form a coalition with DUP!
09:28 < aestetix> Since in capitalism, one of the ways you can hold a company accountable is by going to a competitor
09:28 <@Dolemite> unless it's a monopoly
09:28 < aestetix> Dolemite: yep
09:28 <@dasunt> If you can jump ship.  A lot of employees live paycheck to paycheck.
09:28 < aestetix> *cough* comcast *cough*
09:29 <@Dolemite> Mylan
09:30 <@dasunt> Oddly, I'd say that a lot of Americans probably are capable of having a great deal of control in their lives, but they succumb to marketing.
09:32 <@dasunt> Plus, y'know, we have fear-based news as well as everyone showing off only the highlights of their lives on social media.
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09:36 <@dasunt> Which may be part of the problem - we're doing good, but we can spend ourselves into poverty, and we are seeking fear homeostatis.
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09:38 <@dasunt> (No offense to those living in Appalacia or the like, that economy is seriously fucked)
09:41 < aestetix> so maybe everyone has the sense of a loss of control
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09:56 < _NSAKEY> https://electrospaces.blogspot.com/2017/06/dutch-russian-cyber-crime-case-reveals.html
09:56 < PigBot> Title: Electrospaces.net: Dutch-Russian cyber crime case reveals how the police taps the internet (at electrospaces.blogspot.com) http://tinyurl.com/yc329k98
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10:33 <@dasunt> So how did Trump stay off of twitter for all of yesterday?  Did an aide hide his phone?
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12:37 < K`Tetch> yes
12:44 <@dasunt> So I'm very sleep deprived, but I also fell and stubbed my toe last night, so the pain is offsetting the sleepiness.
12:44 <@dasunt> Success?
12:45 < aestetix> now punch yourself in the nose
12:46 <@dasunt> Fuck, maybe I broke this toe.
12:46 < aestetix> stick a pin in it and let the blood out
12:46 < aestetix> that will release the evil spirits
12:46 <@dasunt> aestetix: I see you've been studying #GOPcare.
12:50  * dasunt googles telling a sprained toe from a broken toe.
12:50 <@dasunt> Did you know that if bone is protruding from your skin, it's a sign of a broken bone?
12:52 <@dasunt> Dr. Google sucks today.
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15:11 <@Catonic> dasunt: if you break your toe, you WILL know it.
15:20 < dc0de[m]> Catonic (IRC) speaks truth. I've broken many toes, and, you will know.  The burning of a broken bone is the first give away.
15:33 <@dasunt> That's one of the things I was figuring - since it wasn't painful right away, I guessed it was a sprain.
16:18 < dc0de[m]> If it's a sprain, you may benefit from taping it to the type next to it for a few days...
16:18 < dc0de[m]> s/type/toe
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