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01:58 < aestetix> donald trump
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09:34 <@dasunt> https://backchannel.com/how-fonts-are-fueling-the-culture-wars-f9d692101fea
09:34 < PigBot> Title: How Fonts Are Fueling the Culture Wars – Backchannel (at backchannel.com) http://tinyurl.com/kyy3ntz
09:35 <@dasunt> ^- According to that, the reason why we don't use Blackletter is (A) Nazi's used it and (B) Nazi's didn't use it.
09:39 <@dasunt> Gawd, that's just a bad article.
09:42 < aestetix> ...
09:43 < aestetix> good thing everyone is a journalist now
09:45  * dasunt headdesks.
09:47 <@dasunt> There's not many journalists left, I fear.
09:48 <@dasunt> Wait, I mean:  10 reasons (that you can't believe) why good journalists are disappearing!
09:50 < aestetix> dasunt: the problem is I'm having a harder time finding good democratic/liberal ones
09:51 < aestetix> the liberals have all gone fucking bonkers
09:51 < aestetix> michael tracy seems pretty good
09:51 < aestetix> and he's not a journalist, but robert reich is smart
09:51 <@dasunt> I dunno.  Christian Science Monitor still around?
09:52 < aestetix> but like.... rachel maddow is awful, yet the libs seem to love her
09:52 <@dasunt> You may be making the confusion that the majority of liberal people watch MSNBC.
09:52 < aestetix> colbert just had her on his show, and I lost a lot of respect for him because he didn't ask her about the tax fiasco
09:53 <@dasunt> Most people don't watch MSNBC, or Fox News, or hell, comedy central.
09:54 < aestetix> what do liberals watch?
09:54 <@dasunt> Most people watch nothing.
09:54 <@Corydon76> Most people don't have time to watch anything
09:55 <@Corydon76> It's like asking what genre of movies the working man sees in theaters.  The answer is, they mostly do even go.
09:55 <@Corydon76> err. don't even go
09:56 < aestetix> on the plus side, it means the MSM doesn't have much of an influence
09:56 <@Corydon76> On the minus side, it means that they're getting their news from their peers and their peers' preferred sources, which may not be verifiable
09:56 <@dasunt> Even most people who vote, probably just vote for whoever has an (R) or a (D) after their name, and will continue voting for them and will defend whoever they vote for.
09:56 < aestetix> Corydon76: and which also is probably more headlines+first paragraph of an article
09:56 <@dasunt> And they probably just started voting (R) or (D) because they were raised that way.
09:57 <@Corydon76> It creates a whole new possibility of getting people to believe propaganda disseminated via seedy channels
09:57 <@dasunt> Rarely, something will come up that will make a lot of them flip from (R) to (D) or (D) to (R), such as the Civil Rights Act, but it's rare.
09:57 <@Corydon76> And impossible to debunk in a reasonable period of time
09:57 < aestetix> or the southern strategy
09:58 <@Corydon76> The way to erode democracy is through misinformation
09:58 < aestetix> well I mean
09:58 <@dasunt> I have no idea what the tax fiasco is for Rachel Maddow.  The only thing that I found is that she released Trump's tax returns, and her ratings apparently went up.
09:58 < aestetix> dasunt: she made a huge promotion about finally having Trump's tax returns, and did this show that was basically just a bunch of hype
09:58 < aestetix> in the end she had nothing but a few numbers
09:59 < aestetix> And the Trump administration actually published the numbers about 20 minutes before her show did
09:59 < aestetix> It was a massive, massive case of deception for ratings
09:59  * dasunt shrugs.
09:59 <@Corydon76> aestetix: Welcome to American television circa 1960
10:00 < aestetix> I do think the public deserves to see Trump's tax returns. I think there is a strong probability he has ties to the middle east.
10:00 < aestetix> But that's all conjecture.
10:01 <@Corydon76> He's an American businessman.  He has ties all over the world, and to the underbelly.
10:01 < aestetix> Corydon76: yeah, for both the washington post and the new york times, they have published some big story that I followed up the sources for, and it turnd out they really stretched the truth beyond credulity
10:01 <@dasunt> Well, other than middle eastern countries giving $100 million to a charity his daughter has ties to.
10:01 < aestetix> And because of this, I can't trust either anymore
10:01 <@dasunt> Trust ain't binary.
10:01 <@dasunt> It's degrees.
10:02 <@Corydon76> If your trust is binary like that, you really shouldn't be trusting anyone
10:02 < aestetix> yes, but if you get the facts correct long enough, eventually the public has faith in your reporting
10:02 <@dasunt> Everyone will get the facts wrong eventually.
10:02 <@Corydon76> So if they're only 99% correct, they can't be trusted?
10:02 < aestetix> the problem is that I can point to many other places
10:03 < aestetix> Example, NY Times false reporting that brought the US into Iraq
10:03 <@Corydon76> Many?
10:03 < aestetix> or the plagiarism from Jayson Blair
10:03 < aestetix> Or the fact that they withheld publishing about the NSA wiretaps until after the 2004 election
10:03 <@Corydon76> Big media source, many reporters.  Shit happens.
10:04 < aestetix> Corydon76: yes, which is why I no longer trust the org, but individual reporters.
10:04 <@Corydon76> Please name a credible media conglomerate which hasn't gotten things wrong.
10:04 < aestetix> There's a different between getting some facts wrong, and rewriting the facts to push an agenda
10:05 < aestetix> The problem wasn't that I looked at the source and saw they missed a fact
10:05 <@Corydon76> aestetix: And right there is where you just did the same thing as what you accused them of
10:05 <@Corydon76> You assume that they're pushing an agenda
10:05 < aestetix> It's that they seemed to deliberately misinterpret the source and presented it as something it was not
10:05 <@Corydon76> That's something that you WANT TO BELIEVE
10:05 <@Corydon76> (X-Files, anyone?)
10:06 < aestetix> speaking of which
10:06 < aestetix> where is Dolemite
10:06 <@Corydon76> He's busy with a followup piss test
10:06 < aestetix> haha
10:07 <@dasunt> I'd probably say lazy reporting more than deliberate misinterpretting things.
10:08 < aestetix> dasunt: that's proably true
10:08 <@dasunt> As a general rule, that is.  Some outlets seem rather biased in their interpretations, but lets go with Hanlon's razor.
10:08 <@Corydon76> Shit, people can't be lazy.  I smell a conspiracy!
10:08 < aestetix> There's a lot of confirmation bias in reporting these days
10:09 <@Corydon76> There's a lot of confirmation bias everywhere.
10:09 <@Corydon76> Including in this channel
10:09 < aestetix> Corydon76: you're starting to sound like a post-modernist
10:10 < aestetix> "There are no core values. Every viewpoint is valid!"
10:10 <@dasunt> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/05/23/an-alaska-man-tried-to-take-his-life-but-the-bullet-passed-through-him-and-killed-his-girlfriend/?utm_term=.9b948f6361a5
10:10 <@Corydon76> That wasn't my point.
10:10 < PigBot> Title: An Alaska man tried to take his life. But the bullet passed through him and killed his girlfriend. - The Washington Post (at www.washingtonpost.com) http://tinyurl.com/n7kuzp4
10:10 <@Corydon76> You ascribing some vaunted status to reporters and then bashing them when they don't live up to those standards.
10:10 <@dasunt> ^- Okay, that's interesting.  I wonder if the statute actually says he must show "extreme indifference to the value of life
10:10 <@Corydon76> Reporters are people, like everybody else, with all of the same failings.
10:11 < aestetix> No, I readily admit laziness can explain it.
10:11 < aestetix> Well, that and this drive to be "first to publish"
10:11 < aestetix> Both of those lead to misreading of source material, and sloppy writing up to an including typos in articles.
10:12 < aestetix> And headlines that are clearly designed to get clicks, rather than reflect the article
10:12 <@Corydon76> Switching back from politics to technology, is there a good way to ensure that a physical network has better latency?
10:12 <@Corydon76> We're dealing with a weird problem, where we have plenty of bandwidth, but interactive applications are sluggish to respond.
10:13 <@Corydon76> Ping times are sub-millisecond
10:13 <@Corydon76> But a telnet session gets really laggy
10:16 <@Corydon76> Everything is telneting to a Red Hat system from a VMware cluster guest.
10:17 <@Corydon76> Went through Red Hat support, with a packet capture, and they agree, it's happening.  But they don't know why.
10:17 <@Corydon76> RedHat is pointing at VMware and VMware is pointing at Red Hat.
10:18 <@Corydon76> Vendors blaming each other, instead of coming up with a diagnosis and a proposed soluton
10:21 <@Evilpig> try changing the nic type?
10:21 <@Evilpig> just to see if it owuld use a different driver stack?
10:22 <@Corydon76> We upgraded the cluster from 1Gbps to 10Gbps physical cards and added 10Gbps switches, just to see if that would alleviate it.
10:22 <@Corydon76> Confusingly, the problem seems to be worse now.
10:23 <@Corydon76> Does Windows 2008/2012 support a different virtual NIC type?
10:24 <@Corydon76> That's what the users are coming from in the cluster
10:24 <@Evilpig> maybe?  I think I have a virtio one set up on mine but i'm using kvm
10:24 <@Evilpig> previously I used e1000
10:27 <@Evilpig> I know who might have first handle knowledge of such things.  Mirage....
10:27 <@Evilpig> I'll ping him in skype and tell him to look over here.
10:27 <@dasunt> aestetix: I would love to have a "long read" news source for well-researched articles.
10:28 <@Evilpig> there is no money in facts.
10:28 <@dasunt> Facts are dull, and if you learn them, you'll alienate your friends and just get angry.
10:28 <@Evilpig> hit em quick, sound correct, collect advertiser revenue
10:29 < aestetix> And you won't get laid
10:29 <@Evilpig> if the "facts" change later, new story, new revenue
10:29 <@Mirage> Corydon76: What version of RH?
10:29 <@Corydon76> RHCE 5.11
10:29 <@Mirage> Corydon76: What vNIC?
10:30 <@Mirage> 32b/64b?
10:30 <@Corydon76> The Red Hat machine isn't in the cluster
10:30 <@dasunt> Solution:  Don't use telnet?
10:31 <@Mirage> OK, where's the slowdown?  (got pulled into this late and trying to get caught up)
10:31 <@Corydon76> dasunt: legacy app.  No choice.
10:31 <@Mirage> Windows 2012R2 hosts on VMware?
10:31 <@Corydon76> I'm looking at one that is Windows 2008 R2 on VMware
10:32 <@Mirage> Using vmxnet3 or E1000E?
10:32 <@Corydon76> I don't have that visibility.  All I see is "ClusterLAN2"
10:33 <@Mirage> I know for a fact that there is a weird issue with the E1000E on Windows 2012R2 on older ESXi releases that cause latency issues.
10:33 <@Corydon76> Yeah, and this is an older ESXi release:  5.5
10:34 <@Corydon76> Yep, looks like it's the E1000 interface
10:34 <@Mirage> VMware came out with fix for it, but the work-around is to switch from e1000e (default for Windows systems) to vmxnet3.  The issue is actually with the built-in Windows driver.
10:36 <@Corydon76> Thank you.  I'll get this change worked into the maintenance window this evening.
10:37 <@Mirage> This issue is resolved in ESXi 5.5 Patch 08, For more information, see VMware ESXi 5.5, Patch ESXi550-201608401-BG: Updates esx-base (2144361)
10:39 <@Mirage> Not going to guarantee that fixes it, but that's an issue we ran into in one of our client environments...primarily showed up on database servers and clients.
10:40 <@Corydon76> Well, I owe you a beer for the assistance anyway.
10:40 <@Mirage> Yeah, next time you're in DFW..=P
10:41 <@Corydon76> lol
10:55 < _NSAKEY> Corydon76: If you decide to tackle the "Must use telnet" issue down the road, this might be an option. https://isc.sans.edu/diary/Migrating+Telnet+to+SSH+without+Migrating/22376
10:55 < PigBot> Title: InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - Migrating Telnet to SSH without Migrating (at isc.sans.edu) http://tinyurl.com/n5ua999
10:55 <@dasunt> TIL:  The last feudal rents paid in Canada happened in 1970.
10:56 <@Corydon76> _NSAKEY: We have a proprietary terminal program that encodes mouse button presses into specialized terminal codes to transmit mouse clicks.  There is no replacement.
10:56 <@dasunt> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seigneurial_system_of_New_France#Abolition
10:56 < PigBot> Title: Seigneurial system of New France - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/n68zryc
10:57 <@Corydon76> And the network is already trusted, so frontending it doesn't change anything.
10:57 < _NSAKEY> Oh god. Kill everyone and everything.
10:57 < _NSAKEY> Hahahahahaha.
10:58 <@Corydon76> If the company wasn't making money, maybe.
10:59 < _NSAKEY> That reminds me of some proprietary funkiness I had to interact with at work, but it didn't use telnet, oh no. I had to spam keystrokes with echo and netcat.
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11:08 <@Corydon76> Remember that domain registration that stopped (momentarily) the spread of the WanaCry ransomware?
11:09 <@Corydon76> Apparently, some antivirus vendors are blocking that domain, causing the ransomware to be able to spread.
11:16 <@Mirage> Evilpig: mmmmm...smoked turkey leg for lunch.
11:20 <@Evilpig> those sounded tasty. I brought in some kind of broccoli, chicken casserole
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11:32 <@dasunt> I went to a bar with friends last night and drank too much.  So I need to eat out today.
11:32  * dasunt should have made lunch before, but whatever.
11:35 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qogsfuz6UTs
11:35 < PigBot> Title: WATCH LIVE: Former CIA Director Testifies At Open Hearing On Russia Trump Collusion Investigation - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/jvgyuxu
11:54 <@Mirage> didn't they pass an FCC ruling about the "commercials are too fucking loud" issue?
11:54 <@Mirage> Or did that die?
12:17 <@dasunt> I thought they did.
12:38 <@Corydon76> https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/loud-commercials-tv
12:38 < PigBot> Title: Loud Commercials on TV | Federal Communications Commission (at www.fcc.gov) http://tinyurl.com/kmvj8yq
12:38 <@Corydon76> Appears to be federal legislation, not an FCC ruling
13:48 <@Mirage> Think I'm gonna have to file complaint about FX streaming.  We're testing out SlingTV and were watching Fargo last night.  The commercials were so loud that when/if we nodded off during the show, the commercials would wake us up.
13:59 < aestetix> https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/jason-katz-wikileaks
13:59 < PigBot> Title: The Man Who Made the Mistake of Trying to Help Wikileaks - Motherboard (at motherboard.vice.com) http://tinyurl.com/m6x9oyy
14:00 < aestetix> I probably shouldn't say more about this than the fact that Katz and Strutt are both good friends
14:01 < aestetix> and that it's nice that some of this shit is finally being made public after 7 years
14:52 <@dasunt> Why would you do an "infinite scroll" in a a desktop app?
14:54 <@dasunt> Hmmm, Roger Moore is dead.
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16:33 <@Corydon76> Mirage:  you're so lucky.  Miss Gay USA is being held in Dallas tonight.
17:04 <@Evilpig> anyone ever messed with mod_proxy_wstunnel ?
18:18 <@Catonic> Wow.
18:19 <@Catonic> Too easy.
18:19 <@Catonic> Evilpig: nope, never heard of it.
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21:20 <@Mirage> Corydon76: Damn, missed it.
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