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03:42 < aestetix> I just learned about fidget spinners
03:42 < aestetix> they remind me of pogs
06:11 <@rattle> Woah..  Chris Cornell is dead.
06:21 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:21  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
06:22 <@Dolemite> Yeah, Cornell passing is the first surprise celebrity death for me in 2017.  The old people - well, they're old.  Cornell isn't much older than me.
06:22 <@Dolemite> s/isn't/wasn't
07:11 <@Dolemite> rattle: So what's your take on the news from last night about the transition team supposedly knowing Flynn was under investigation as far back as Jan 4th?
07:17 <@Dolemite> My real question is this - if Mueller's scope is defined as investigating Russian influence in the 2016 election, does that limit him from prosecuting other misconduct that he may find?
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08:02 <@Dolemite> Oh, man, Roger Ailes died, too.  Can't say that I'll shed any tears over that one, though.
08:09 <@Dolemite> Ok, according to articles I'm reading, Mueller can go wherever the trail takes him.
08:14 <@rattle> Dolemite: Mueller is going go to after any malfeasance he finds.  His mandate is expansive.
08:14 <@rattle> As for the initial question, at the very least this administration has shown gross incompetence.  That's the most charitable and forgiving assessment of their tenure.
08:16 <@Dolemite> The only negatives I'm hearing in the Facebook chatter (since I'm embedded in the land of Trump supporters) is that they feel Rs are much better than Ds because they aren't whining about Mueller the way the Ds whined about all the Whitewater special investigations
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08:58 <@rattle> Well, that's..  very..  selective..
08:59 <@dasunt> Dear Amazon:  If you list something as being waterproof, it's best if it's actually waterproof.
08:59 <@Dolemite> Yeah, well, any way to tie things back to a Clinton
08:59 <@dasunt> https://www.propublica.org/article/any-half-decent-hacker-could-break-into-mar-a-lago
08:59 < PigBot> Title: Any Half-Decent Hacker Could Break Into Mar-a-Lago - ProPublica (at www.propublica.org) http://tinyurl.com/ljhj3yf
09:00 <@Corydon76> Of course Rs aren't whining.  They know if Mueller finds anything and doesn't bury it, Trump will just fire him.
09:00 <@dasunt> R's aren't whining?
09:00 <@dasunt> The R in the Whitehouse sure is a whiner.
09:03 <@Corydon76> Until Mueller is reappointed _independent_ counsel, why would anybody be reassured?
09:07 <@dasunt> Not whining at all:  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/18/trump-rails-against-witch-hunt-amid-special-counsel-appointment.html
09:07 < PigBot> Title: Trump rails against 'witch hunt' amid special counsel appointment | Fox News (at www.foxnews.com) http://tinyurl.com/krjbzwx
09:08 <@Dolemite> dasunt: Silly person, we all know Trump isn't an actual Republican
09:11 <@dasunt> Dolemite: Trump is a real Republican while it's convenient for the GOP.
09:24 <@rattle> Trump can't just turn around and fire Muller.  It's far from being that simple.  Rosenstein pulled a masterstroke.
09:24 <@rattle> Mueller rather..  Autocorrect likes the xfiles or something.
09:26 <@Corydon76> Trump will fire anyone who stands in his way, and the replacement will do what Trump wants, or Trump will fire him, too.
09:27 <@Corydon76> This will continue until the House contemplates impeachment, whereupon Trump will tell Paul Ryan that he's fired, much to the latter's amusement
09:35 <@dasunt> Gawd help me, but I want to see the GOP vs. Trump fight.
09:52 <@Corydon76> The problem is that it won't be just Trump.  It'll be the alt-right media versus the GOP, and that is a fight that is less certain as to who would win.
09:53 <@Corydon76> The GOP is rightfully nervous that the alt-right media might significantly affect their ability to be individually reelected.
09:54 <@Corydon76> And that could sabotage an impeachment effort, for example.
09:56 <@dasunt> Oh I know.
09:56 <@dasunt> If we're lucky, both sides will seriously injure the other.
09:57 <@dasunt> I see a GOP/Trump fight being likely, because my view is that both sides will blame the other if it helps them.
10:02 <@Corydon76> Even if they don't get to impeachment, I wonder if the Congress might pass veto-proof legislation significantly reducing the power of the Presidency
10:04 <@dasunt> That would be good for Trump.  Then he can "blame the swamp".
10:11 <@Dolemite> Doesn't he already blame them?
10:12 <@Dolemite> "Congress will never impeach Trump. Republicans always insist on carrying a baby to full term."
10:14 <@dasunt> LOL.
10:14 < aestetix> Congress won't impeach him unless they get killed in the 2018 elections.
10:14 < aestetix> If they suffer because of him in the elections, they'll turn on him really fast.
10:15 <@Dolemite> They're already getting lots of backlash from their home constituency.  They're in damage control mode, already.
10:15 <@dasunt> http://time.com/4771690/ahca-gop-health-care-bill-poll/
10:15 < PigBot> Title: AHCA: 31% of Americans Favor GOP Health Care Bill | Time.com (at time.com) http://tinyurl.com/md284zs
10:16 <@dasunt> "More of those surveyed (39%) said the American Health Care Act would likely be worse than the Affordable Care Act than said it would be better (26%)."
10:16 <@dasunt> They may get killed in the 2018 election.  It depends if (a) voters remember and (b) Democrats can campaign effectively, neither of which is a given.
10:16 < aestetix> There was a great reddit comment that described what's going on perfectly
10:16 < aestetix> lemme try to find it
10:16 < aestetix> dasunt: I think (b) is very unlikely
10:18 <@Corydon76> It's too bad we can't have governance by poll.  Limbaugh would be sitting in jail right now with his "toss 'em in jail and throw away the key" advocacy.
10:18 <@dasunt> Governance by the poll sounds like a scary idea to me.
10:19 <@Corydon76> Same with healthcare.  If you advocate for draconian healthcare, and you get sick, it's your own bank account that gets to pay the bill
10:19 <@dasunt> I would love to strip the healthcare Congress gets.
10:19 <@Corydon76> It _might_ get people to start thinking about the future again, instead of living in the now.
10:20 < aestetix> found it
10:20 <@dasunt> Speaking of 2018 and the GOP:  https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2017-04-17/lawmakers-lose-when-it-comes-to-town-hall-meetings
10:20 < aestetix> https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/6bs96c/what_is_slowly_gaining_popularity_that_most/dhp5dcg/
10:20 < PigBot> Couldn't snarf url: HTTP Error 403: Forbidden. http://tinyurl.com/lyqr695
10:20 < PigBot> Title: WaningOceans comments on What is slowly gaining popularity that most people don't know about yet? (at www.reddit.com) http://tinyurl.com/l88xvde
10:20 < aestetix> The comment by "ThatFeministGirl"
10:20 < aestetix> it's completely on point
10:22 <@dasunt> I don't think Soros is a godsend.
10:22 <@dasunt> Nor do I think Trump is one.
10:22 <@dasunt> Does that make me a centerist?
10:22 < aestetix> dasunt: I agree with you, maybe I'm a centrist too.
10:22 < aestetix> Although by bay area standards I'm a republican. Which is completely fucked up
10:23 <@dasunt> Maybe I'm just a radical though.
10:23 <@dasunt> Radical centerist?
10:24 < aestetix> Then again Milo Yiannopolis is a republican.
10:24 < aestetix> Which doesn't make any sense to me.
10:24 < aestetix> Nothing makes sense anymore.
10:24 <@dasunt> That's because this reality isn't real.  ;)
10:26 <@dasunt> Simulation argument proven via absurdity?
10:30 < aestetix> I loved that coment though
10:30 < aestetix> "Congress has a 5% approval rating because half the country thinks it's too liberal and half thinks it's too conservative, not because we want something that politicians aren't giving."
10:30 < aestetix> Spot on.
10:32 <@dasunt> Well, we do want something they aren't giving, but we disagree on what it should be.
10:46 <@Dagmar> How high were they?
10:47 <@Dagmar> Congress has a 5% approval rating because they are failing to actually represent the interests of the citizenry.
10:47 <@Dagmar> We *do* want something the politicians aren't giving--representation.
10:57 <@Corydon76> aestetix: Milo is a Republican in the same way that Trump is a Republican:  because they're not Democrats, they "must" be Republicans by the false dichotomy.
10:57 < aestetix> Corydon76: that actually makes sense
10:58 < aestetix> It seems like the US really has five or six political parties right now
10:58 <@Corydon76> But the more basic divide in this country is not by that ideology, but by working and elitist
10:59 < aestetix> the "progressives" aka the bernie supporters, the establishment democrats, aka hillary, the alt-right, the republican establishment, and then the trump/milo crowd
10:59 <@Corydon76> No working person runs for office, so the question becomes which elitist is able to convince more working people that he is for their interests.
10:59 < aestetix> Corydon76: that itself is a problem
11:00 < aestetix> It's not just that no working person runs for office
11:00 < aestetix> No working class person has the bandwidth to even think about things
11:00 < aestetix> They're too busy struggling to make ends meet
11:00 <@Corydon76> Yes, this is true
11:01 <@Corydon76> But even the middle class which might contemplate it do not have the time to actually serve in office
11:01 < aestetix> I mean who the hell has time to go to city council meetings when you're working two shifts to make sure your kids have clothes?
11:01 <@dasunt> I think we've had a few working people in office before.
11:02 <@dasunt> More at the local level and state level than national level.
11:02 <@Corydon76> Well, city council might be the exception.  Many city councils meet in the evenings precisely to ensure that middle class officers can attend
11:02 < aestetix> dasunt: which IMHo is more important
11:02 < aestetix> I wish people would focus more on the local level
11:02 <@Corydon76> But state representatives meet during the day, as does Congress
11:03 < aestetix> But I guess the local level is boring and not flashy enough
11:03 <@dasunt> Both get paid pretty good though.  So meeting during the day shouldn't be a hinderence to the working class actually being in office (the cost and time of campaigning is another issue though).
11:03 < aestetix> Although if you're in it for the flashy headlines, you don't belong there
11:04 < aestetix> Corydon76: I'd also argue that's an effect of government trying to do too much
11:04 < aestetix> The committee I served on in oakland met usually once every two weeks, sometimes once a week
11:05 <@Corydon76> The problem, though, is people disagree on what exactly constitutes "too much"
11:06 <@Corydon76> The guy cheating his renters out of fair housing would say that any city regulations requiring him to provide working plumbing would be "too much government"
11:07 <@Corydon76> And those requirements change over time.  Working plumbing may have been a luxury in 1915, but it's part of the standard of living now.
11:08 < aestetix> On the other hand, having government regulations requiring you to detail whether you plan to serve food at the counter or deliver it to the customers with a waiter/waitress, and offering a different kind of permit based on the answer, is insane
11:08 <@Corydon76> Why is that insane?
11:09 < aestetix> maybe insane is the wrong word
11:09 <@Corydon76> We're talking two different standards of service, which requires two different levels of inspection services to ensure standards are met
11:09 < aestetix> To me, that's overly intrusive.
11:09 <@Corydon76> Then everybody pays the higher fee, even if they don't use the full inspection.
11:09 < aestetix> There's a great video of someone trying to open an ice cream shpo in San Francisco
11:09 < aestetix> And then they hear all the regulations they have to deal with
11:09 < aestetix> I can't find it though
11:10 <@Corydon76> The point of it wasn't extra regulation, but to provide a discount to those restaurants which didn't have the same facilities
11:10 <@Corydon76> Should a guy serving food out of his van pay the same fees as a four-star restaurant?
11:11 <@Corydon76> s/van/food truck/
11:11 <@Corydon76> Same difference
11:12 <@Corydon76> The point of those regulations is public safety.
11:13 <@Corydon76> And they've evolved over time as businesses have figured out ways to duck regulations.
11:13 <@Corydon76> So if you're wondering why there are so many regulations, you need only look to dishonest business owners as the culprits
11:14 <@Corydon76> Because if you can comply with all the regulations and still manage to poison your customers, you're doing something pretty special
13:27 <@dasunt> Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't I expect a weather radio to be able to pick up more than one weather band?
13:38 <@Dagmar> Generally yes
14:00 <@Corydon76> I believe there are 5 bands, although not all may be receivable in any given location
14:25 < K`Tetch_> there are , and you should be able to pick up 1, and possibly 2 at any one point
14:25 < K`Tetch_> I need to speak to my local EMA about getting our one streaming
14:26 < K`Tetch_> during the 4 tornado warnings so far this year, only once have I been in a position to get to my weather radio, but I've had my phone available every time
14:45 <@dasunt> I'm picking up only one band clearly, and another band so faintly that it's unusable.
14:48 <@dasunt> I want to say my other weather radio picked up three or four bands, but I only use that while I'm about equidistant from three transmitters, on a lake, which probably is an ideal setup for receiving multiple bands.
15:06 < K`Tetch_> exactly
15:06 < K`Tetch_> the power levels are set to be 'idiot-proof', so that you can generally only pick up one clearly
15:07 < K`Tetch_> which would therefore be your local one
15:07 < K`Tetch_> I can only get one here, but then I'm about 5 blocks from the radio station that's also hosting the weather transmitter
15:08 < K`Tetch_> but in jasper county, I could get the putnam one clearly, or another one faintly
15:16 <@Corydon76> What would be neat is if we had some intended delivery mechanism for Internet alerts which did not depend upon an endpoint constantly streaming the feed, but could pick up the feed only upon receiving an alert signal.
15:18 <@Corydon76> The way weather radios work is that they're constantly streaming the station at low volume, but they only turn on the speaker when they detect that signal in the transmission
15:19 <@Corydon76> (In especially silent environments, you can hear the audio of the station, even when the speaker is not turned on.)
15:19 <@Corydon76> s/silent/quiet/
15:20 <@Corydon76> This would be beneficial in subterranean environments where the station is not easily picked up by a weather radio
15:21 <@Corydon76> (such as my basement, where I am during most of the day)
16:17  * dasunt cues the basement jokes.
16:17 <@dasunt> Okay, so one station is normal.  That's a relief.
16:18 <@dasunt> That means I only have to return one item to Amazon.
16:51 <@Corydon76> dasunt: I also like the other name for my basement:  dungeon, since I have a dragon living down here.
16:52 <@Corydon76> A blue and gold macaw dragon
17:19 <@dasunt> Presumably a reptile.
17:20 <@dasunt> Y'know, dragons are cool and all, but according to modern scientific nomaenclature, you can now have a living, breathing dinosaur in your house.
17:28 < TheDukh> Nomaenclature needs to be used in conversation more, imho.
17:56 < K`Tetch_> "17:51:44 «@Corydon76» dasunt: I also like the other name for my basement: dungeon, since I " <--- finish the sentence however you choose....
17:58 < K`Tetch_> could be a fun game
17:59 < K`Tetch_> "...plan to stash ajit Pai there if he carries on with his shittiness"
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