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03:11 < aestetix> K`Tetch: honestly liberal democracy is having issues right now, and for good reason
03:12 < aestetix> The EU and the US have establishment governments which have long ceased representing any individuals
03:12 < aestetix> I would say that when the relationship of power between the individual and the top of the power structure is too long, representation fails
03:13 < aestetix> er, too distant
03:14 < aestetix> The very fact that everyone is focused on Merkel, Wilders, etc as opposed to whoeverthefuck is the head of the EU tells a lot
03:29 <@Dagmar> There's no longer a "relationship" in the US.
03:29 < aestetix> Dagmar: that's kind of my point
03:29 <@Dagmar> There's a near-total disconnect.
03:30 <@Dagmar> It's not a matter of it having become "too long".  It's simply snapped.
03:31 < aestetix> Well, the difference between the EU and the US in this respect is that the EU doesn't have enough power for this to create quite as many social issues as in the US
03:31 < aestetix> The answer to "what is the point of the EU" seems to be "trade and something"
03:33 < aestetix> I mean one could make the argument that modern power stems from economic trade, but I think the impotency of the EU is an argument against that
04:02 <@Dagmar> Here it's a tidy little cycle of corruption
04:03 <@Dagmar> Power comes from bribing politicians to create economic advantages where none existed before
04:03 < aestetix> you know
04:03 < aestetix> One question I would love to ask publicly to someone like Elizabeth Warren
04:04 < aestetix> Is "How would you campaign differently if you didn't have to worry about fundraising"
04:04 < aestetix> because I think the political system has totally corrupted her
04:05 < aestetix> I base that on watching lectures and talks from her when she was still a professor, to watching her congressional hearings now
04:05 < aestetix> actually it looks a lot like what happened to Obama, although not quite as extreme
05:08 < aestetix> https://youtu.be/yBWhVXAahIM?t=892
05:08 < PigBot`> Title: WEEKEND WRAP UP: Will Kushner EB-5 Story have legs? PLUS Milo etc. - YouTube (at youtu.be) http://tinyurl.com/n3po6b3
05:08 < aestetix> the timestamp I've pasted, he gives a very interesting perspective on the immigration issue and entitlement programs
05:09 < aestetix> What I find interesting is that half of his argument sounds like von Hayek or Milton Friedman
05:09 < aestetix> The other issue I've been seeing in popular culture is the conflation of the negative income tax with the basic income, which are radically different
05:11 < aestetix> I would love to see this guy debate Bernie Sanders
06:31 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:49 < dfused> yar
06:52  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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09:52 <@Dolemite> Go show your support for continued network neutrality.  Fill out the form at http://gofccyourself.com
09:52 < PigBot`> Title: ECFS (at gofccyourself.com) http://tinyurl.com/mynlxo4
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10:29 < aestetix> holy shit martin luther wrote a lot
10:29 < aestetix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_edition_of_Martin_Luther%27s_works
10:29 < PigBot`> Title: Weimar edition of Martin Luther's works - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/mrl5myt
10:37 <@Corydon76> He nailed his 95 Theses to the church door
10:39 < aestetix> uh yes, that is one thing he did
10:55 < K`Tetch_> 04:13:58 «aestetix» The very fact that everyone is focused on Merkel, Wilders, etc as opposed to whoeverthefuck is the head of the EU tells a lot <-- I think you've misunderstood how the EU works.
10:55 < K`Tetch_> Juniker is the president, and he gets a LOT of coverage ight now
10:56 < K`Tetch_> but Merkel, May, Macron are all part of the council of Europe
10:59 < aestetix> K`Tetch_: from where?
10:59 < aestetix> I don't see any coverage of him.
10:59 < aestetix> I see lots of coverage of Merkel, May, Macron, Wilders, and Erdogan
10:59 < K`Tetch_> erdogan is funny, not part of the eu
10:59 < aestetix> yes, but he still causes lots of problems for the EU
11:00 < aestetix> Further, he almost was part of the EU
11:00 < aestetix> Although I suspect that won't happen now
11:00 < K`Tetch_> http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/eu-boss-junker-says-speaks-10364123
11:00 < PigBot`> Title: EU boss Junker says he speaks French because 'English is losing importance in Europe' - Mirror Online (at www.mirror.co.uk) http://tinyurl.com/kyobrvd
11:01 < aestetix> right, and that was the first I'd really heard of him in the media
11:01 < K`Tetch_> 3 days earlier.. http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/799198/Brexit-news-Theresa-May-meeting-Juncker-European-Union-delusional-Douglas-Carswell
11:02 < PigBot`> Title: Brexit news - Theresa Mays meeting with Junker shows EU is delusional, says Carswell | Politics | News | Express.co.uk (at www.express.co.uk) http://tinyurl.com/kdt9l9q
11:02 < K`Tetch_> (Carswell was UKIP's only MP)
11:02 < K`Tetch_> Junker is in the uk news a lot
11:02 < aestetix> oh ok
11:02 < aestetix> I don't follow the UK news
11:03 < K`Tetch_> I do...
11:03 < aestetix> well except for this past weekend
11:03 < K`Tetch_> hell, I was working on a uk election campaign last week, workign on another now
11:03 < K`Tetch_> (local elections were thursday, now the generals next month)
11:03 < aestetix> The little news I do follow is german, and some american
11:04 < aestetix> yes, that's why I was following the UK news
11:05 < K`Tetch_> Most people, certainly int he UK, never bothered to understand how the EU worked and was set up, for instance, and certainly never bothered finding out what the Lisbon treaty was (that, alas, includes my old mentor and family friend, who is head of the UK Liberal Party)
11:05 < aestetix> Like in german news I read about Merkel basically nonstop
11:06 < aestetix> and Trump because so many Berliners hate him
11:06 < K`Tetch_> whoda thought that German news would fature the German chancellor so much...
11:06 < aestetix> har har
11:06 < K`Tetch_> :-P
11:48 <@dasunt> K`Tetch_: So it's the UK equivalent of the ACA?  :p
11:52 <@dasunt> Hmmm, I didn't know that Macron was actually hot for teacher.  I knew about the age gap between him and his wife, but not the details.
12:27 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqAZi-Ox13k
12:27 < aestetix> enjoy
12:27 < PigBot`> Title: Press Briefing with Press Secretary Sean Spicer - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/mpv8rfv
12:36 <@dasunt> I can't take any more Spicer.
12:37 <@dasunt> We should start a fund to pay to priorities traffic of anyone running against a anti-net-neutrality candidate.
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14:21 < K`Tetch> i need to make my net neutrality video, explaining just how it came about
14:25 < Evilpig_> you can sum that up in one word.  "lobbyists"
14:30 < K`Tetch> actually, my research into comcasts use of sandvine, 10 years ago
14:34 < K`Tetch> (which led to fcc hearings ont he issue, then the first orders, which verizongot overturned, and then the new ones)
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17:14 <@dasunt> I knew I was having way too much ease with requesting warranty service from HP.
17:15 <@dasunt> Now, it seems that the website is a PITA.
17:15 <@dasunt> For some reason, I have to reregister...
17:16 <@dasunt> Oooh, and for an HP Laptop, I can select "Kindle Fire" for the OS, among the more other implausible choices.
17:17 <@dasunt> This is the HP I know and hate.  Where everything is a PITA, and they appear to have no clue what's going on.
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21:12 <@rattle> CVE-2017-0290
21:18 < dfused> 0.o
21:20 < dfused> i thought those were only issued for vulns being disclosed.
21:43 < _NSAKEY> dfused: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=1252&desc=5
21:43 < PigBot`> Couldn't snarf url: Unknown host.. http://tinyurl.com/l2puxop
21:50 < dfused> wheni looked up teh CVE it came up as rserved
21:50 < dfused> hrm...kant tipe drunk
21:55 < _NSAKEY> dfused: That happens often enough. I've seen it in the past.
21:55 < _NSAKEY> re: Reserved CVEs.
21:56 < dfused> rgr
21:56 < _NSAKEY> They always eventually get published.
21:56 < dfused> so they assign number for teh pending, then it gets populated later on
21:57 < _NSAKEY> I don't know why it gets handled that way, but that happens sometimes.
21:57 < dfused> cause mitre is gov contractor company so opeartes like gov lol
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