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03:25 < aestetix> Dagmar: by "that tool" do you mean Lennart?
06:32 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:33 < Shadow404> Why is "The Divison" an ungodly 40gb?
06:54 < Shadow404> even at a steady 11.8mb download, still gonna take close to an hour, longer as people come into the office and download their attachments on the emails server
06:56 < Shadow404> im about to go into the switchport and disable throttling for an hour, and then set it back
06:58 <@Dolemite> WTH is The [Division]?
06:59 < Shadow404> Open world combat MMORPG
06:59 < Shadow404> http://store.steampowered.com/agecheck/app/365590/?snr=1_620_4_1400_45
06:59 < PigBot`> Title: Save 50% on Tom Clancy’s The Division™ on Steam (at store.steampowered.com) http://tinyurl.com/mx2as2v
06:59 <@Dolemite> So you're going to download it at work, and possibly disable throttling so you can get it faster.
06:59 < Shadow404> yep
06:59 <@Dolemite> That's some excellent resume-generating-event, right there.
07:00 < Shadow404> if it was the middle of the day, yeah, i wouldnt fuck with bandwidth
07:00 < Shadow404> but no one is here yet until like 9:30am
07:00 < Shadow404> and we are only at like 4% of capacity
07:01 < Shadow404> and done, ok, so now im at 44mb download speed
07:02 < Shadow404> jumped from 41min eta down to 12min
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07:04 < Shadow404> Dolemite: you want an even more Resume-generating-event?
07:04 <@Dolemite> No, I'm already dealing with enough as it is.  I don't need you adding to the stupid.
07:04 < Shadow404> i have a boss key setup on my kvm running between my gaming laptop and my work laptop to my desk monitors
07:05 < Shadow404> the boss key is a foot switch
07:05 < Shadow404> and my office door creaks so loudly, i have plenty of warning even with headphones on
07:22  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:28 < aestetix> ok wow being around germans is making my english go to shit
07:29 < aestetix> I just sent an email to an american that was.... let's say very direct.
07:29 < Shadow404> thats the way it should be in business
07:29 < Shadow404> not this fucking pc bs
07:29 < aestetix> Shadow404: yes, it's been interesting unlearning a lot of PC bullshit
07:29 < aestetix> Americans say words and mean different words
07:30 < aestetix> Germans say what they mean, nothing more and nothing less
07:30 < Shadow404> love that about europe
07:30 < aestetix> well it's not all europe
07:30 < aestetix> sweden in particular is a problem
07:30 < Shadow404> india is about the most direct people
07:31 < Shadow404> to the point, i get a little pissed off working with their nocs sometimes
07:32 < Shadow404> even though thats technically asia, not europe
07:32 < xray> You mean Germans don't have the Southern equivalent of "Bless his little heart?" It took me a while to realize that is an insult. Basically calling them a moron and you don't know how they can find their way home from work.
07:33 < aestetix> From what I understand in the south offering high praise to someone is an insult
07:33 < xray> Not sure about that.
07:33 < aestetix> IE if you want to say someone is a worthless idiot, you call them "my very distinguished friend"
07:33 < aestetix> I mean, hyperbolic, exagerated praise
07:33 < xray> Interesting. I'll have to look into it.
07:34 < aestetix> maybe that's less the south, and more the southern senators
07:34 < xray> As long as I have lived here there are still things I don't get about the culture.
07:34 < aestetix> Like in the senate at least 50 years ago if you wanted to criticize someone, you'd called them very distinguished
07:34 < xray> Not just the South but the U.S. in general.
07:35 < Shadow404> hehe, or if you wanna say, get it done now, dont fucking delay, "please do the needful"
07:35 < aestetix> well the US seems confused about a lot of things right now
07:35 < xray> Not just right now.
07:35 < aestetix> like if Bill Nye is a scientist or not ;)
07:35 < Shadow404> yeah, im trying to move out of here right now
07:35 < xray> But I get what you mean.
07:35 < Shadow404> probably by end of year
07:35 < aestetix> Shadow404: to hwere?
07:36 <@Corydon76> Shadow404: the Senate also has rules about respect of your fellow Senators, so they had to come up with more creative ways of insulting their colleagues
07:36 < Shadow404> we're gonna do 3-6 months nearby like costa rica or ecuador, or mexico if they dont hate us (trump)
07:36 < aestetix> Corydon76: that makes seense
07:36 < aestetix> Corydon76: have you read Master of the Senate?
07:36 < aestetix> best book I have ever read on politics
07:36 < Shadow404> and then if all that works out, move to thailand
07:37 <@Dolemite> Shadow404: Don't count on being able to telework from Costa Rica.
07:37 < Shadow404> Dolemite: hows that?
07:37 <@Corydon76> aestetix: my time for reading is especially limited these days
07:37 < Shadow404> Dolemite: regulations?
07:38 <@Dolemite> Shadow404: Knowing from close experiences of (1) my sister living in Costa Rica and (2) an ex-coworker who moved down there to telework and ended up having to move back...  the internet is too unreliable in CR.
07:38 < xray> I heard that as well
07:38 < xray> poor Internet
07:38 < xray> but I have no direct experience
07:38 < aestetix> hey at least it's not as bad as Lebanon
07:39 < aestetix> Where they haven't had a day in years where there was power for the full 24 hours
07:39 < Shadow404> Dolemite: did they live int he capital?
07:39 <@Corydon76> Apparently, it's reliable enough in data centers, though.  I know of some operations running online gambling physically located outside of the US in Costa Rica
07:39 < Shadow404> or suburbs?
07:39 < aestetix> apparently having the power go out for a few hours every day in Beirut is a fact of life
07:39 <@Dolemite> My sister lives at the beach, so no.  I think Mike lived in the city.
07:40 < Shadow404> we were thinking of playa del carmen mexico
07:40 < Shadow404> but with the drug lords fighting there now, and trump and his wall
07:40 < Shadow404> it may be a no go
07:40 <@Corydon76> Dolemite: lots of backhoes operating near the beach?
07:42 < Shadow404> Dolemite: any thoughts on ecuador?
07:42 < Shadow404> heard anything?
07:42 < aestetix> Shadow404: they like wikileaks
07:42 < Shadow404> heh
07:43 < Shadow404> were going into costa rica june 7-14 for vacation
07:43 < Shadow404> so illhave to see how reliable inet is at the resort
07:43 < Shadow404> its one of those resorts you can vacation or rent monthly condos
07:44 < Shadow404> for about the same cost of a monthly aparmtnet in the states, you have all utilities and 3 square meals paid for ever day
07:44 < Shadow404> minus the cost of utilities added
07:45 < Shadow404> oh, and with the monthly rental all resort ammenities, including unlimited pool bar
07:46 < Shadow404> crap, nm, its a little extra for all the resort amenities
07:56 < aestetix> wow
07:56 < aestetix> the CEO of Youtube is a fucking moron
07:59 < Shadow404> he offered you a job?
07:59 < aestetix> she, and god no
08:01 < aestetix> Shadow404: I will probably never work for an American company ever again
08:01 < aestetix> they are just too broken, greedy, and corrupt
08:01 < aestetix> sort of like the american government!
08:03 < Shadow404> no...jsut like the american govt now
08:03 < Shadow404> fuck this state of affairs
08:03 < aestetix> true
08:03 < Shadow404> im so embarrased for our country now
08:03 < Shadow404> i mean life under bush jr was bad enough
08:03 < Shadow404> but now, its just a sad joke
08:04 < Shadow404> a capatilist wig wearing joke
08:04 < aestetix> http://gizmodo.com/the-turds-that-voted-to-sell-out-your-online-privacy-ge-1794899911
08:04 < PigBot`> aestetix: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 30480 bytes.
08:04 < aestetix> this is great
08:04 <@Corydon76> Shadow404: I seem to recall you thinking Obamacare was a disaster, right before it was scheduled to go into effect
08:04 < Shadow404> i still have my complaints about obamacare
08:05 < Shadow404> i wouldnt say its the worst plan
08:05 < Shadow404> but not anywhere close to NHS
08:05 < Shadow404> i kmnow it was heavily changed to get it pass the republicans from its original design
08:05 <@Corydon76> No, they took out the public option before it even passed
08:05 < Shadow404> but as a whole, the end result was sub par
08:05 < aestetix> Obama as a whole was kind of a shitty president
08:06 < aestetix> Then again, the last like five of them have been
08:06 < aestetix> At least Clinton balanced the budget
08:06 < Shadow404> and jr just rode out clinton's improvements and marketed them as his own
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08:07 < aestetix> if by rode them you mean he turned the balanced budget into a massive deficit
08:07 <@Corydon76> Nobody in the last 50 years has paid down any part of the debt, which is the second half of Keynesian economics that everybody forgets about
08:07 < aestetix> Corydon76: agreed
08:07 < Shadow404> true
08:07 < aestetix> Bush Jr had a chance
08:07 < Shadow404> yes he did
08:07 < aestetix> Due to the budget being balanced
08:07 <@Corydon76> Nope, squandered it on tax cuts
08:07 < Shadow404> iraq war ended that chance
08:08 <@Corydon76> Iraq/Afghanistan wasn't the issue in terms of the budget
08:08 <@Corydon76> I mean, yes, it made the situation worse
08:08 < Shadow404> and then afghanistan made it even worse, i know the intentions were of good reasoning, but it didnt help
08:08 <@Corydon76> But he looked at the surplus and decided it needed to go back to the (mostly rich) taxpayers, instead of paying down the amassed debt
08:09 < aestetix> Dubya also created DHS
08:09 < aestetix> which has become a huge money drain
08:09 <@Corydon76> Shadow404: Switch those.  Afghanistan was first, followed by Iraq
08:09 < aestetix> If the US had gone into Afghanistan, popped bin laden, and left, I probably would have been ok with that.
08:09 < aestetix> The Iraq thing made no sense whatsoever
08:10 < Shadow404> aestetix: bin laden had already fled afghanistan directly after 9/11
08:10 <@Corydon76> aestetix: and left a power vacuum
08:10 < aestetix> Shadow404: yeah I know
08:10 < Shadow404> Corydon76: and left them unstable and open to isis
08:10 < aestetix> Shadow404: so let me rephrase.
08:10 < aestetix> If the US had spend a ton of resources to kill bin Laden and then left, I would have been ok with that
08:10 < Shadow404> yeah
08:10 <@Corydon76> Shadow404: ISIS wasn't even thing until we toppled Saddam Hussein
08:10 < Shadow404> obama got lucky on that
08:11 < Shadow404> yep, they were created as a result
08:11 < Shadow404> sunni and shiate resentment of western conquering powers
08:11 <@Corydon76> But basically Saddam Hussein's party, after being forced out of government in the wake of Iraq, started ISIS.
08:11 < Shadow404> which was mostly sunni
08:11 < aestetix> Was there any real reason for the US to invade Iraq besides the oil?
08:11 < Shadow404> im not spelling that right, one sec
08:11 <@Corydon76> His government was ALL Sunni
08:12 < aestetix> And a grudge from Bush 1
08:12 <@Dagmar> Defense contractors needed money
08:12 < Shadow404> shitte
08:12 < aestetix> Dagmar: good point
08:12 <@Corydon76> Shadow404: No, the Shiits were one of the out-of-power groups in Iraq
08:12 < Shadow404> Corydon76: no, i agree, was correcting my spelling
08:13 <@Corydon76> Oh, from a prior statement
08:13 < Shadow404> shiate/shiite
08:13 < Shadow404> aye
08:13 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P8ILFWlBzA
08:13 < PigBot`> Title: German Satire (engl sub) on ISIS and American Interventions in the Middle East - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/h2c8l4l
08:14 <@Corydon76> On a different topic, is there a good reason to do a managed switch for a home setup in your DMZ?
08:15 < Shadow404> Dolemite: boss noticed a b/w spike when he came and looked at the splunk tools
08:16 < Shadow404> so i was like, yeah, i was moving files to our backup server
08:16 <@Dagmar> A home _in_ your DMZ?
08:16 < Shadow404> and put the config file back
08:16 <@Dagmar> The words I understand... the ordering I suspect could use some wor
08:16 <@Dagmar> k
08:16 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: I have 5 IPs off of Comcast
08:16 < Shadow404> yeah
08:16 <@Dagmar> You poor bastard
08:16 < Shadow404> i guess you could assign seperate vlan's?
08:16 <@Corydon76> Most machines are behind the firewall in a NAT setup
08:16 < Shadow404> but why?
08:17 <@Dagmar> I'm going to hope you typo'd and meant to say "all machines"
08:17 <@Corydon76> Shadow404: I don't co-mingle outside and inside on the same switch
08:17 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: How does a gateway machine get put behind itself?
08:18 <@Dagmar> You make it the firewall.
08:18 < Shadow404> yeah
08:18 <@Corydon76> Right.  How do you put a firewall behind itself?
08:18 <@Dagmar> A little arp publishing and nothing will be able to even touch your firewall from the outside
08:18 <@Dagmar> ...or even detect that it's there if you diddle ttls a bit
08:18 <@brimstone> Corydon76: lots of therapy
08:18 < Shadow404> with a good NAT setup, thats almost negated
08:18 <@Dagmar> But hey, I'm sure pedantry will be more effective than careful topology
08:19 < Shadow404> but if your doing alot of voip/udp stuff, firewalls can be an even greater pain to troubleshoot when you have issues
08:19 <@Corydon76> The only machines that get a direct public IP are those which specifically need it.  Everything else is behind the NAT
08:20 < Shadow404> Corydon76: so in your field, the pbx gets its own ip?
08:20 <@Corydon76> I'm not doing a lot of VoIP, but that was part of the plan
08:20 <@Corydon76> Yes, the PBX would have a direct address in the DMZ
08:21 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: This is why one uses arp publishing
08:21 < Shadow404> Dagmar: hehe, and never let your client do double natting
08:21 <@Dagmar> Jesus no
08:21 <@Dagmar> God those are always headaches
08:22 < Shadow404> god i gotta finish my icnd2 finally
08:22 < Shadow404> i just need to memorize the specific cisco questions
08:22 <@Dagmar> So like, you tell your one firewall box that it's doing ARP for *all* the public IP addresses...
08:22 <@Dagmar> Assign whatever private address you want to the outside--it won't matter
08:23 <@Dagmar> It'll be handed all that traffic, based on the ARP table in effect on the external segment
08:23 < Shadow404> so essentially bridge to the firewall?
08:23 <@Dagmar> It will not care that the IP doesn't match any of it's own
08:23 <@Dagmar> Basically, yes.
08:24 <@Dagmar> Except since it's a bloody decent unix machine, pf/netfilter rules can still be used on it
08:24 <@Dagmar> ...and you can just pass the traffic for the IP addresses you "wouldn't want firewalled" right on through as if it were purely a bridge
08:25 <@Dagmar> Those boxes can merrily have those public IP addresses on the inside
08:25 <@Dagmar> It'll make for a bit of weird routing should you try to reach them from the inside with private netblock space, but it does work fine
08:26 <@Dagmar> It's how we were routing the 10 addresses we had in SF
08:26 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: how do you configure the reverse path?
08:26 < Shadow404> you could even subnet internally to make it a little easier to seperate
08:26 <@Dagmar> The path back out isn't a problem because everything on the inside won't have any problems talking through the default gateway you've set up for them, i.e., the internal interface IP of the firewall
08:27 < Shadow404> they still all have a default gateway
08:27 < Shadow404> oh, you just said that
08:27 <@Corydon76> The default gateway has to exist on the same subnet as its interface, though
08:28 <@Dagmar> Not a problem
08:28 < Shadow404> so thats where you were going with the idea about the managed switch
08:29 <@Dagmar> A managed switch is essentially doing all that
08:29 < Shadow404> how many devices on the switch?
08:29 < Shadow404> total?
08:29 <@Corydon76> When you're dealing with a process that uses multihoming to figure out which IP to present to the remote machine...
08:29 <@Dagmar> The boxes on the inside don't need to know anything
08:29 <@Corydon76> Yes, I'm thinking about VoIP, where layer separation is violated
08:30 < aestetix> oh my
08:30 <@Dagmar> You're completely allowed to put an ARP entry on the _internal_ interface of the firewall, pretending to be the actual default gateway on the external side, dig?
08:30 <@Corydon76> i.e. SIP puts UDP port numbers in layer 7
08:30 < aestetix> sounds like there needs to be a VoiP code of conduct
08:30 <@Dagmar> THose boxes on the internal network don't have to talk to the private interface anything
08:31 <@Dagmar> Let's say for instance that I've been assigned 24.1.1.32 throuh 24.1.1.64
08:31 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: I probably need to see example firewall rules.  Seeing the same IP on an internal interface local and external interface remote sounds wonky
08:31 <@Dagmar> So that's 32 entries in the external interface's ARP table so the firewall/router will respond when WHOHAS queries come in
08:31 <@Dagmar> No you are not seeing the same IP
08:31 <@Corydon76> Shadow404: in answer to your previous question, I have a /29, with 5 usables
08:32 <@Dagmar> Stick with me here, this makes sense once you've gotten a clear idea of the ARP trickery involved
08:32 <@Dagmar> So you've got 32 ARP table entries on the external interface of the firewall, so when the upstream gateway is doing it's thing and asks WHOHAS those IPs, the firewall pipes up and says "Yeah that's me here"
08:33 <@Corydon76> Right, the ARP trickery on that side makes sense
08:33 <@Dagmar> It'll get those packets, they don't match any IP addresses on the box and haven't been explicitly disallowed just yet, so they wind up on the _routing_ table from there
08:33 <@Dagmar> The _reverse_ can be done on the inside
08:34 <@Dagmar> If the upstream gateway is 24.1.1.1, you just publish an entry on the internal interface of the firewall box for that IP address
08:34 <@Dagmar> When your internal hosts do the ARP query to get ahold of 24.1.1.1, the internal interface will respond
08:34 <@Dagmar> They hand it the packets, which don't match any IPs it has, so again... goes to the routing table and it knows where that thing actually is
08:35 < Shadow404> yeah, voip udp was my concern earlier
08:35 <@Corydon76> So nothing needs to actually be done in the firewall itself, other than allowing those packets in?
08:35 < Shadow404> cause how the packets are sent
08:36 <@Dagmar> Nope.  This is really old functionality
08:36 <@Dagmar> People just seem to forget that ther'es a layer _below_ IP that you can do things with
08:36 <@Corydon76> Huh.  I didn't realize it would do that.
08:36 <@Dagmar> I will admit it's confusing at first
08:36 <@Dagmar> ...but ARP publishing can be used for more than just MITMing people in the dorm
08:36 <@Dagmar> ;)
08:37 < Shadow404> hehe, that was fun
08:38 <@Corydon76> That is pretty neat
08:38 <@Dagmar> In our example, the firewall box won't have a conflict with that ARP entry for 24.1.1.1 on the "wrong" interface, because routing happens _first_ and it'll be looking on the _external interface_ for that IP, not the internal one
08:38 < Shadow404> use to send a new broadcast out changing hte mac for the default gateway to myself and bridge it back out to the real gateway
08:38 < Shadow404> and then read packets filtered for AIM messenger
08:38 < Shadow404> was fun
08:38 <@Dagmar> hehehe
08:39 < Shadow404> and then id figure out nicknames for other people in my dorm
08:39 < Shadow404> and mention things they only said on AIM
08:39 < Shadow404> to them and they looked horrified and confused
08:39 <@Dagmar> For reasons which should be obvious, this is utterly incompatible with some people's cheapassness of trying to do a firewall with just one interface and two virtual interfaces
08:39 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: I take it we don't technically ARP for the network address, broadcast address, and gateway on the external interface, correct?
08:40 <@Dagmar> You publish ARP entries for anything you want passed to the inside
08:40 <@Dagmar> ...including broadcast addresses if need be
08:40 < Shadow404> yep, static routes
08:40 < Shadow404> on the firewall portion
08:40 <@Dagmar> Spin up tcpdump with a filter to show you just ARP and you'll see how much bullshit goes on at that level
08:41 < Shadow404> with wildcards
08:41 <@Dagmar> ...and it'll probably be the last thign necessary to make lights go on over your head for sure
08:41 <@Dagmar> Comcast doesn't filter their ARP for shit
08:41 <@Corydon76> I knew ARP already.  I just didn't know you could do that.
08:41 <@Corydon76> That the routing would take over at that point
08:42 < Shadow404> Dagmar: which if you have an asshat on your subnet, its easy to arp storm that shit
08:42 <@Dagmar> The only reason you can't abduct every one of those IP addresses they're sending you the ARP queries for is a particular swich that had to be flipped in the modem's config that I yelled at them about over a decade ago
08:42 <@Dagmar> ...becuase when they first rolled out here YOU COULD DO THAT SHIT.
08:43 < Shadow404> and steal public IP's?
08:43 <@Dagmar> I was like "Holy fuckballs fatman do you want me on television demonstrating how I can MITM people's sexchats all over the goddamn county?"
08:43 <@Corydon76> I've also found that IP-to-location database providers will quite happily accept "updates" to a given IP's location info
08:45 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: yeah I responded to the ARP queries for 3-4 random IPs and started getting their traffic, and then made a phone call
08:45 < Shadow404> Dagmar: how long did it take oyu explaining the issue to the TIER 1 support before they esclated it?
08:45 <@Dagmar> I didn't talk to them
08:46 <@Dagmar> I called the francise office and asked for the guy by name
08:46 < aestetix> heh
08:46 < aestetix> Tier means animal auf Deutsch
08:46 < Shadow404> heh
08:47 < Shadow404> auf wedersien (i botched that spelling) is about all i remember
08:47 < Shadow404> Dagmar: some of the stuff i saw via MTM in the dorms was very interesting
08:47 < aestetix> wiedersehen
08:47 < Shadow404> some concerning
08:48 < aestetix> auf wiedersehen
08:48 < aestetix> the best literal translation I can do is "see you again"
08:48 < Shadow404> isnt it also a dual greeting too?
08:48 < Shadow404> hello and goodbye?
08:48 < aestetix> eh, not really, usually for goodbye
08:48 < aestetix> but it depends
08:49 < aestetix> usually when you leave you say "bis Morgen" or "bis Später"
08:49 < aestetix> bis Morgen == until morning
08:49 < aestetix> bis Später == until later
08:49 < Shadow404> ive been praticing basic thai, so ive kinda forgotten all my h.s. german i learned
08:50 < aestetix> right now I'm learning dativ and akkusativ
08:50 <@Dagmar> wtf
08:50 < aestetix> which is a fucking bitch because it depends on the genders for the nouns
08:50 < aestetix> which I was mostly ignoring
08:50 < Shadow404> yeah, i remember genders were complicated for german
08:51 < Shadow404> like learning gender usage in english for a foriegner
08:51 < Shadow404> which is fun when you here someone trying it as a second language on the phone and botching it
08:51 <@Dagmar> How the fuck is this malfunctioning
08:51 < Shadow404> *hear
08:51 < aestetix> well that's also where german differs from romantic languages
08:51 < aestetix> italian, french, spanish, etc
08:51 < Shadow404> portugeese
08:51 < aestetix> they have gendered nouns, but they don't use them in the same fucked up way german does
08:52 < Shadow404> and its not just genders in english german
08:52 < aestetix> like "der die das" with dativ becomes "dem der dem"
08:52 < Shadow404> its also youth , adult and elderly definitions and usage
08:52 < aestetix> so "the table" is "der Tisch"
08:52 < aestetix> but "the hat is on the table" is "der Hut ist auf dem Tisch"
08:52 < Shadow404> and the usage of "the" is dependant on leading and ending nouns/verbs in german too
08:52 <@Dagmar> https://pastebin.com/CAwisnF2 <-- this should damn well work
08:52 < aestetix> right
08:52 < PigBot`> Title: [Java] WTF. - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com) http://tinyurl.com/kelyt55
08:53 < aestetix> like "the hat is on our table" is "der Hut ist auf unserem Tisch"
08:53 <@Dagmar> Time to sprinkle in some printks
08:53 < aestetix> luckily I get daily practice in this stuff
08:53 < aestetix> I don't think I would have picked it up nearly as quickly otherwise
08:54 < Shadow404> int elapsedIntervals = (int) (elapsedSinceOrigin / twoWeeks);
08:54 < Shadow404> are you sure on that line?
08:54 < Shadow404> between (int) and (elap....
08:54 <@Dagmar> I haven't had much caffiene yet this morning but it looks sane
08:54 < aestetix> Shadow404:  the compound words make it worse
08:54 <@Dagmar> I actually _need_ it to truncate
08:55 < Shadow404> aestetix: yah, immersion is key
08:55 < Shadow404> by the 8th day in thailand, i was starting to get better at usage
08:55 < Shadow404> was able to ask simple directions
08:55 < Shadow404> but nothing beyond basic tourist level pronounciation
08:55 <@Dagmar> So... if the amount of time is like ten days, it should be 0, fifteen days would become a 1... 32 days would be four, and so on
08:56 < aestetix> well also
08:56 <@Dagmar> er 32 days would be two sorry
08:56 < aestetix> Berlin has its own special dialect
08:56 < Shadow404> Dagmar: what line does it have an error on?
08:56 < Shadow404> or is it not throwing an error?
08:56 <@Dagmar> Maybe I put in the wrong origin point
08:56 <@Dagmar> I should check that
08:56 < Shadow404> aestetix: slang?
08:56 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: apparently, the Linux command 'ip neighbor' is the way to do that
08:56 < Shadow404> like southern dialects?
08:57 < aestetix> sort of
08:57 <@Dagmar> Wed Apr 12 19:00:00 CDT 2017
08:57 < aestetix> so take "ich"
08:57 < aestetix> in southern Germany, you're more likely to hear it as "ish"
08:57 < Shadow404> Corydon76: yeah, linux has alot of cisco ios ussage comparions
08:57 <@Dagmar> Corydon76: I just invoke the old arp tool, but ip can do them as well
08:57 < Shadow404> ip neighbor is one of them
08:57 < aestetix> in berlin and north, you hear more "ick"
08:57 <@Dagmar> `ip` is kinda the new kid on the block for this
08:58 <@Corydon76> New kid on the block is 20 years old
08:58 <@Dagmar> IP is how old?
08:58 < aestetix> Corydon76: that means they are legal
08:59 < Shadow404> and can vote
08:59 <@Dagmar> When I first learned to do this stuff, the `ip` tool didn't exist
08:59 <@Corydon76> The 'ip' command on Linux originated around 1997
08:59 <@Corydon76> It's just taken that long for people to adopt it
08:59 <@Dagmar> the other tools worked
09:00 <@rattle> OK, this is sort of amazing..  http://www.boredpanda.com/funny-donald-trump-frog/
09:00 <@Corydon76> I first used it around 2002 to set the source IP on an interface, where that wasn't the subnet of the tunnel
09:00 <@Dagmar> ...and were also generally present on every Sun, IRIX, HP, or DG box one might have to touch
09:00 <@rattle> The frog is sorta cute.
09:01 <@Dagmar> OKay yeah I'm an idiot
09:01 <@Dagmar> I put the wrong damn origin date in and didn't notice until now because my previous fuckup was in forgetting to multiply by two after doign 60 * 60 * 24 * 7 a few times on the shit calculator app
09:02 <@Dagmar> ...so it was originally doing one week intervals, which only looked okay out of sheer luck lol
09:04 <@Dagmar> rattle: Daaaaaamn.  That can't be unseen.
09:05 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: I probably should have just put the human-readable datestring in the source and converted it to epoch, but I was trying to be a cheapass
09:08 < Shadow404> as to be expected....
09:09 <@Dagmar> heh
09:11 <@rattle> Dagmar: Right?  I'm going to see that now every time I look at him..
09:11 < aestetix> ribbit
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15:00 <@Mirage> lol, just got an autodialer call that sounded like a computer was reading one of the old Nigerian spams to me.
15:01 <@Dagmar> You should insist on talking to a person
15:01 <@Dagmar> Also remember that your angina medicine gives you terrible flatulence
15:02 <@Mirage> Per the call I was supposed to call them back at whetever number.  I hung up at that point since it didn't look like I was going to get a person to troll.
15:03 <@Dagmar> Free phonesex!
15:03 <@Dagmar> Remember: RObocalls are illegal
15:03 <@Dagmar> Also, they're probably out of the country.
15:03 <@Dagmar> Good times will be had by all.
15:03 <@Mirage> I got one earlier about extending the warranty on my cars that was pretty much the same deal.
15:04 <@Mirage> On top of that, these were to my cell phone.
15:04 <@Mirage> double no-no
15:07 <@Dagmar> You have these recorded, right?
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15:09 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: what for?  Even if they could track them down, this administration is unlikely to do anything about them
15:09 <@Dagmar> Mo'fuckin' JUSTICE
15:11 <@Corydon76> Only justice you're going to get is if you fly to Nigeria and carve "419" into the chest of the perpetrator
15:13  * Dagmar grins an evil grin.
15:14 <@Dagmar> Consider for a moment... People working suicide hotlines generally spend their days talking people off ledges, sometimes literally, sometimes figuratively.
15:14 <@Dagmar> It's not much of a stretch to think that a properly motivated person can't talk someone _onto_ a ledge.
15:15 <@Dagmar> Now, while I woudln't go quite that far, I *do* test how far I can push the caller.
15:15 <@Dagmar> Eventually, I'm going to talk someone into trashing their office.
15:16 <@Corydon76> I don't know about convincing someone to off themselves.  I do know that some have convinced employees of the call center to quit their jobs
15:16 <@Dagmar> ne2k: That's one of the things I cuss about
15:18 <@rattle> Oh, for fucks sake..  https://www.embedi.com/files/white-papers/Silent-Bob-is-Silent.pdf
15:19 < PigBot`> rattle: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 30480 bytes.
15:21 <@Corydon76> rattle: is this the exploit that Intel just released the announcement for earlier this week?
15:21 <@rattle> Yes.
15:29 <@Corydon76> Isn't it fantastically ironic how, had they used strcmp, the non-length-limited version of the function, there wouldn't have been a problem?
15:41 <@Dagmar> Becuase it would be easier to overflow on platforms without stack protection?
15:42 <@Corydon76> When one of the strings passed in to strcmp is of a known length, the only possible problem is stepping on protected memory
15:43 <@Corydon76> I suspect you're thinking of strcpy/strncpy
15:44 <@Corydon76> Once strcmp goes beyond the length of *1* of the strings, it stops, returning its final value
15:47 <@Dagmar> Doh yeah
15:52 <@rattle> This is starting to become known as the "zero fucks attack".
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16:04 <@Dagmar> hahahh
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16:06 <@Dagmar> I'm kind of enjoying the BTC falloff
16:06 <@Dagmar> I liquidated at 1600
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18:21 <@rattle> Nice catch.
18:21 <@rattle> I didn't sell off today, but I had a bunch of USD ready and got it in at the lowest points.  I just updated by spreadsheet, and like, I've already gained more than I shoved in.
19:22 <@brimstone> on which exchanges are you two trading/
19:22 <@brimstone> ?
22:09 <@rattle> So far, GDAX has been working out best for me overall.
22:10 <@rattle> Curious if anyone's been coding based on their API.  The Python library looks easy to work with.
22:11 <@rattle> I really wish I had some time to work with it.  At the very least, a better accounting tool would be nice.  At the very best, an intuitive way to make some trade triggers.
22:11 <@rattle> The barrier of entry for having your own personal hedge fund is very, very, low.
22:39 <@rattle> But frankly, just using a basic spread sheet and cut/pasting figures as I go along..  I haven't had a problem keeping track of things.  But, I've also got accounting training..
22:40 <@rattle> I'm loving this shit.  It's a great hobby, and it fucking ranking in the cash.  This is the golden growth period for this shit.
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