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05:09 < aestetix> rattle: I'm curious as to your thoughts of the third part of this
05:09 < aestetix> https://sputniknews.com/radio_fault_lines/201705031053219429-trump-putin-first-conversation-since-syria-missile-strike/
05:10 < PigBot`> Title: Trump and Putin's First Conversation Since US' Missile Strike on Syria (at sputniknews.com) http://tinyurl.com/lcl2qxd
05:10 < aestetix> They are discussing the Hillary emails. One of the speakers is a former police officer, I thought his comments were interesting
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08:40 <@rattle> aestetix: I'm not going to have a chance to listen to that this morning.  If you could give me a few bullets on it, that'd be great.
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08:41 <@rattle> There are going to be some Comey fireworks today.  Not sure I'll be following those in real-time eather.
08:41 <@rattle> *either
08:41 < aestetix> let me remember
08:42 < aestetix> I think one of the points was that normally the FBI doesn't ask to review a server that they suspect has been compromised, they just seize it.
08:43 < aestetix> And they raised a few questions as to why the FBI was so hands-offish.... as in, Comey requested access to review the server several times, was apparently rebuffed... and the guy who is a former cop says normally that asking would not happen
08:45 < aestetix> And there were a number of questions about why the press hasn't been asking any real questions. A sentiment I agree with
08:45 < aestetix> lemme re-listen to it a bit hold on
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08:54 < aestetix> so basically the point they are making
08:54 < aestetix> which seems valid to me
08:54 <@rattle> That's all wrong.
08:54 < aestetix> is that if Hillary is so up in arms about Russia hacking the 2016 election, then why didn't the DNC allow the FBI to investigate their servers
08:55 <@rattle> FBI doesn't swing in on ropes and seize servers and shit unless they are doing arrests and pressing charges.  That's not the way things work.
08:55 < aestetix> it's at around the 44:30 minute mark when that starts
08:55 < aestetix> Ok.
08:55 <@rattle> Conversely, they don't ask to inspect things either.  That's dicy ground.
08:55 <@rattle> What they do, is ask people to provide information helpful to investigations.
08:56 <@rattle> I'm vastly over simplifying..  But, that doesn't pass a sniff test.
08:57 < aestetix> Interesting, since the guy making that point is on the board of the ACLU
08:57 <@rattle> People seem to think FBI has some sort of cyber investigative superpowers or something.  It's all bullshit.
08:58 <@rattle> There are dirty little secrets, like FBI CART has run a 30 day plus backlog on forensic analysis for like, years..  Their best capabilities are only available long after the fact.
08:59 <@rattle> Real-time counterintelligence type stuff..  Well..  They suck.  That's where third parties come in.
08:59 <@rattle> That's why every time there's some real shit underway, you hear names like Lockheed, Mandiant, Crowdstrike, Stroz, etc..
09:01 <@rattle> When the action is over, and they can just collect evidence..  Sure they got dudes with electron microscopes that can pull child porn off busted up hard drives and crazy shit like that.
09:01 <@rattle> But like, the FBI isn't going to run up on and org and be like "start streaming us your logs!"
09:01 <@rattle> That shit just doesn't happen.
09:14 < aestetix> speaking of which
09:14 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz8ug1UY-2k
09:14 < PigBot`> Title: WATCH LIVE: FBI Director James Comey testifies before the Senate Judiciary Committee - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/kkf3n95
09:35 <@dasunt> Could you imagine the shitstorm that would have happened during the election if the FBI seized Trump's servers to investigate ties to Russia?
09:35 < aestetix> ouch
09:35 < aestetix> Grassley just asked Comey "You were helpful to us during Valerie Plame, why not now?"
09:35 <@dasunt> I'm pretty sure that the FBI would think twice about seizing any infrastructure of a major political party.
09:35 < aestetix> dasunt: at the moment it seems like if a politician steps on a cricket it turns into a media shitstorm
09:36 <@dasunt> aestetix: But not an FBI shitstorm.
09:36 < aestetix> unless the cricket was an undercover FBI agent
09:36 <@dasunt> There's one rule for us small folks, another for major, powerful government groups.  Both the GOP and Dems fit the latter.
09:37 <@dasunt> Btw, ever see that Chappel skit where they flip the police treatment of a drug dealer and a white collar criminal?
09:41 < aestetix> haha comey said weiner
09:43 <@dasunt> UK doesn't want to pay a €100 billion Brexit bill.  LOL.
09:48 < aestetix> Hmm.
09:48 < aestetix> Comey's argument about the Clinton thing makes sense to me.
09:54 <@rattle> Again, I think there are massive misperceptions about how this stuff works, most likely based on TV dramas.
10:04 < aestetix> rattle: I was referring to the argument Comey just made to Feinstein
10:05 <@rattle> I'm not following in realtime..  Give me the bullets.
10:05 < aestetix> Feinstein asked him point blank why he made the investigation public so close to the election.
10:05 < aestetix> His response was that if he hadn't, and it turned out they *did* find evidence of criminal misconduct, then they'd be guilty of concealment.
10:05 < Shadow404> so i wa going through old camera dumps on my zip drive and found this and started laughing
10:06 < Shadow404> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwkYqVk1KELidHk5Q2l6aE5wUG8/view?usp=drivesdk
10:06 < PigBot`> Title: ware_final.jpg - Google Drive (at drive.google.com) http://tinyurl.com/mc4cta6
10:06 < aestetix> And apparently there was classified information forwarded to Weiner's computer, but nothing to satisfy what they were investigating.
10:06 < aestetix> He said "I had to choose between very bad and catastrophic, so I chose very bad"
10:06 <@dasunt> rattle: Well it's obvious.  We just have to find out what sort of investigator Comey is.  Does he have the CSI group find incriminating evidence?  Does he just use his old-fashioned detective powers?  Does he just keep badgering the witness?  Or does he charge the wrong person and wait for the hot-shot defense attorney to reveal the real criminal at the trial?
10:06 < Shadow404> brimstone: i also found a file you made
10:07  * dasunt may have watched too much TV.
10:07 < aestetix> The whole thing was and remains a clusterfuck.
10:07 <@brimstone> Shadow404: cool, which one?
10:07 < aestetix> That resulted in Donald Trump being president :(
10:08 < Shadow404> give me a sec, ill upload both, hate sharing through google drive
10:08 <@dasunt> ITYM Donald Trump being a puppet.
10:08 <@dasunt> :p
10:13 <@dasunt> A comment on /. asked how long it would be until a robot bank robber.
10:13 <@dasunt> Now I'm trying to think about how to rob a bank with a robot.
10:18 < ^020d> Maybe it's like killing a hostage taker with a bomb squad robot
10:19 <@dasunt> I think you'd need a few, to block all the entrances.
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10:21 < Shadow404> brimstone: http://snsweather.com/brimsworkofart.JP<yours
10:21 < PigBot`> Couldn't snarf url: HTTP Error 404: Not Found. http://tinyurl.com/mm8r2gu
10:22 < Shadow404> brimstone: http://snsweather.com/brimsworkofart.JPG
10:22 < Shadow404> and this was mine
10:22 < Shadow404> http://snsweather.com/ware_final.jpg
10:23 < Shadow404> brought back memories
10:23 < Shadow404> how is ware doing these days?
10:23 < ^020d> works o' fart?
10:23 < Shadow404> of art
10:23 < ^020d> I dunno...
10:24 < Shadow404> but yeah, that too
10:27 <@Corydon76> dasunt: It's far less risky to rob a bank by going through the IT system than it is going through the front door.
10:28 <@Corydon76> We could potentially get to the point where somebody engineers a bot that can outmaneuver even automated security responses to an intrusion
10:28 < ^020d> Do it right and they'll blame Russia
10:28 < Shadow404> or just start a pyramid scam and, yeah blame russia
10:29 <@Corydon76> It's already gotten to the point where somebody managed to steal from a bank over a long period of time and it wasn't discovered for years.
10:30 <@Corydon76> The thing about going through the front door is, the bank immediately knows, and the feds will cover any cash losses
10:30 <@Corydon76> When it happens over time, undetected, the damage isn't limited to just physical cash, but lost opportunities when the money wasn't there
10:31 < Shadow404> Corydon76: yeah, they installed the superman 3 virus on a floppy disk, directly into the payroll system
10:31 < Shadow404> then burned diwn the office when they were about to get caught
10:32 < ^020d> Where was the bank that had the employees signing up thousands of fake customers to meet their quotas?  Sounds like a place ripe for CSRF once you get in with a client side
10:32 < Shadow404> wells fargo?
10:32 <@Corydon76> I don't remember if the Superman 3 virus was based on true event, or if it inspired someone to do the same thing IRL, but yes.
10:32 < ^020d> The fractional cents being transferred?  that was real
10:32 < Shadow404> Corydon76: i was referencing office space
10:33 < Shadow404> but yeah, it did happen irl
12:20 <@dasunt> WTF is Windows 10 S?
12:23 <@rattle> It's the cloud, brah..
12:25 < oddball_> dasunt: Remember when they came out with a gimped version of Win7 for netbooks?  Basically, the same thing.
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12:27 <@oddball> Including the "oh, you want a real version of Windows on your device?  Just give us $x and we'll de-gimp it for you."
12:33 < ^020d> Except instead of only 3 apps at a time, this one is only Windows store apps
12:38 <@rattle> Last week I traded 1 BTC for LTC.  Right now, I am VERY happy about that decision in every way other than wishing I didn't go bigger.  Holy fuckidy fuck.
12:44 <@dasunt> oddball: Sounds horrible!
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16:02 <@dasunt> So instead of the evil government-controlled Obamacare, the replacement plan is pledging billions for high risk pools?
16:06 <@dasunt> I also don't get why the GOP wants to allow health insurers to increase the cost of healthcare for 50 and 60 year olds.
16:33 <@Corydon76> dasunt: Because they know facts don't actually matter.  Trump's election proved that.
16:34 <@Corydon76> Also, nobody is going to understand that problem until long after they're done blaming Obama for the stupidity in the healthcare sector, despite most of it having nothing to do with Obamacare
16:36 <@Corydon76> Instead, lots of younger voters are going to happy about health care premiums coming down, despite the fact that in GOP-led states, it'll be next to worthless, because it won't cover anything.  And the people in the doughnut hole (too old for cheap healthcare, too young for Medicare) won't matter as a voting bloc, because only the rich will survive to get Medicare.
16:44 <@dasunt> If the Dems are smart, they'd start claiming that Trumpcare will increase costs.
16:59 <@Corydon76> You think the Dems are organized enough to perpetuate a lie?
16:59 <@Corydon76> I mean, it'll restart the death spiral
17:22 <@dasunt> It's not a lie.
17:22 <@dasunt> Exactly.
17:22 <@dasunt> Costs will go up for many people under the Trump plans.
17:23 <@dasunt> And healthcare costs always go up over time.  ;)
17:27 <@Dagmar> ...and Bitcoin passes $1,500.
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