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06:34 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:09 <@rattle> This has been a really good past few days for the major cryptocurrencies.
08:12 <@Dagmar> Almost disturbingly so
08:12 <@Dagmar> You're misreading something, somewhere.
08:13 <@Dagmar> @#$@# wrong channel
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09:12 <@rattle> ETH in particular has been crazy.
09:20 <@dasunt> What is ETH's trading volume?
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09:30 <@Mirage> Riddle me this.. winbind authenticates a user in a nested group just fine for ssh login, but smb login to a share fails.
09:55 <@dasunt> SpaceX rocker recovery is getting less and less newsworthy.
10:06 <@rattle> ETH is falling rapidly right now against BTC, but not the dollar.  Sometime today is going to be a real good time to shift some BTC to ETH.
10:07 <@Dagmar> I am still patiently waiting for my last transfer to go through
10:08 <@Corydon76> https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/sapphire/radeon-rx-480-zcash-mining/
10:08 < PigBot`> Title: Radeon Rx 480 ZCash Mining Overview and Profitability Calculation | CryptoCompare.com (at www.cryptocompare.com) http://tinyurl.com/m4kzyge
10:08 <@Corydon76> When the number of days is below 300, mining can be profitable
10:09 <@Corydon76> Using Tennessee electricity prices, that is
10:09 <@Corydon76> If you're in California, it's doubtful that mining will ever be worth it.
10:11 <@Dolemite> DAMMIT
10:12 <@Dolemite> Just got the call that I have been selected for the random drug screening today.
10:12 <@Dolemite> Phone rang as I was sitting down, after going to pee.
10:12 < aestetix> Dolemite: good thing you skipped Fyre Festival
10:13 <@Dolemite> aestetix: I don't think the attendees at Fyre Festival got to take their drugs, as they seem to have been stolen from them.
10:26 < aestetix> Dolemite: ask them for a complimentary beer to help you pee faster
10:33 <@Corydon76> Dolemite: why is that a problem?
10:34 <@Dagmar> Tell them you need an hour to review your notes and bone up
10:34 <@Corydon76> All he needs to do is down a couple bottles of water, and he'll need to pee again soon
10:38 < _NSAKEY> My read of what Dolemite said is that he's annoyed about having just peed when he has to take a drug test.
10:38 < _NSAKEY> That, or GeekNIC was a little more fun than it should have been.
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10:45 <@dasunt> I'd be annoyed about having to take a piss test.
11:03 <@Dolemite> I don't mind the drug tests.  They are part of the job.  I hate their horrible timing.
11:03 <@Dolemite> I managed to get enough water in me to put out a sufficient sample.
11:06 < aestetix> Dolemite: I assumed they are because of government work
11:06 < aestetix> You said you're at DoE right?
11:06 <@Dolemite> yes, I'm at a DoE National Lab.
11:06 <@dasunt> So do drug users actually make worse employees?
11:07 <@Dolemite> Possibly.  It's against Federal Law, though.
11:08 < aestetix> thanks Obama
11:08 <@dasunt> Almost everyone breaks a federal law now and again.  Have you seen federal law?
11:08 <@Dolemite> Of course not, it's too damn long to read.
11:09 <@Dolemite> But I have no desire to take illegal drugs
11:09 < aestetix> Dolemite: and constantly changes
11:09 <@dasunt> I think it's technically against federal law to pick up a bird feather.
11:09 <@Dolemite> So I really don't give a fuck.  However, I do feel that several items on the Schedule should be dropped.
11:10 <@Dolemite> Not that I'd want to partake.  I would still vote to decriminalize Marijuana possession.
11:10 <@dasunt> I'd be against piss testing unless it's shown to actually improve things.
11:10 < K`Tetch> and be actually accurate
11:10 <@dasunt> I haven't seen any studies, but a federal employee who smokes a reefer now and again probably is still good at doing their job.
11:11 <@Dolemite> Then work on changing the law
11:11 <@dasunt> I'm not a pot head - either casually or otherwise.  I just hate tests that don't accomplish anything useful.
11:11 <@Dolemite> But I was told of this requirement before I applied.  I accepted it as a condition of employment.
11:12 < aestetix> Dolemite: yep, sounds about right
11:12 <@dasunt> Oh, speaking of which, just got polled about the local school board putting a bond issue on the ballot.
11:13 <@dasunt> One of the issues was more security at the entrances, and if I'd vote for or against that measure.  I think I may have confused her when I said I'd be against it.
11:14  * dasunt thinks that any kid with a warmer than room-temperature IQ is going to be able to subvert that security.
11:16 <@dasunt> I, however, did not engage in a rant about security theater.  See, I'm socialized!
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11:51 <@Corydon76> Yeesh, netsplits again?
11:53 < K`Tetch> https://www.hackthebox.gr/en/ if anyone hasn't seen it already
11:53 < PigBot`> Couldn't snarf url: Unknown host.. http://tinyurl.com/kfxxdjs
12:13 <@dasunt> Pretty:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzQpkQ1etdA&feature=youtu.be
12:13 < PigBot`> Title: NROL-76 Launch Webcast - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/l6dq9vl
12:32 < aestetix> K`Tetch: thanks
12:32 < aestetix> I just registered an account :)
12:42 <@rattle> https://www.gofundme.com/to-find-out-why-we-had-a-civil-war
12:42 < PigBot`> Title: To find out why we had a Civil War by Ian Millhiser - GoFundMe (at www.gofundme.com) http://tinyurl.com/l8yec52
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14:05 < aestetix> uh
14:05 < aestetix> rattle: I do not understand this
14:05 < aestetix> aren't there already many documentaries, books, and college lectures on this?
14:06 < aestetix> or is this gofundme just an excercize in sarcasm?
14:06 <@rattle> It would be really funny if this was an alternate universe where someone else was president, and he had taken over for Bill O'Reilly or something.  But it's not.  It's just confusing and sad.
14:06 <@rattle> It is sarcasm.
14:07 < aestetix> To be fair most of the american public doesn't know the answer to that question either
14:07 < aestetix> Not that it's an easy question to answer
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15:00 <@Mirage> Wow..an Ad I actually wanted to watch again.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-elwc55VKXk
15:00 < PigBot`> Title: Star Wars 40th Anniversary - OG Figures Join Forces w/ Modern in the Ultimate Light vs. Dark Battle - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/kt2ls7k
15:11 <@Mirage> Vin Diesel showing the full extent of his acting skills.. https://youtu.be/ATUWrWwWBJg?t=654
15:11 < PigBot`> Title: Guardians of the Galaxy 2 - Bloopers, B-Roll and Behind the Scenes (2017) - YouTube (at youtu.be) http://tinyurl.com/kvxg53k
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16:14 <@dasunt> aestetix: Not sure if you are being sarcastic, but there's something to be said over "the civil war is complicated".  However, outside of historians, those who are prone to claiming the civil war motivations were complicated tend to be the same people who really want to minimize slavery's role.
16:15 <@dasunt> s/said over/said for/
16:19 <@dasunt> OTOH, there's something to be said for "slavery caused the civil war" as an oversimplified version.
16:21 < aestetix> dasunt: yes I'm aware of that interpretation
16:22 < aestetix> I think I can say things were complicated without negating slavery as a root cause
16:22 < aestetix> as slavery in itself was extremely complex
16:24 < aestetix> I was mostly speaking from a historian point of view when I said that
16:24 < aestetix> dasunt: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSuwqsAnJMtyg3ROpOADVoW1NV5kmskFM
16:24 < PigBot`> Title: MOOC | Eric Foner - The Civil War and Reconstruction, 1850-1861 | Sections 1 through 10 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/gtfl8km
16:24 < aestetix> I recommend that as a starting point :)
16:25 <@dasunt> Oh, I've read enough as it is.  :p
16:25 <@dasunt> I really love pointing out the various declaration of causes that specifically mention slavery to people who want to claim the civil war was not about slavery.
16:26 < aestetix> oh
16:26 <@Dagmar> When was it abolished?
16:26 < aestetix> dasunt: you might still enjoy those lectures
16:27 <@dasunt> Dagmar: I want to say late 1860s - somewhere in the 13th, 14th or 15th amendments, but I can't recall the date (1868ish?)
16:27 < aestetix> dasunt: I'll say that "slavery" is a starting point for understanding the civil war, not a conclusion
16:28 < aestetix> sort of like how the Reformation was about indulgences
16:28 < aestetix> indulgences is a starting point, but it was about a *lot* more
16:28 <@dasunt> Hmm, I was wrong - 13th amendment outlawed slavery in '65.
16:29 < aestetix> Yeah, I think that was one of the last things Lincoln did
16:29 < aestetix> and IIRC one of the main reasons he got capped
16:29 <@Dagmar> Okay now... when did the Civil War end?
16:30 <@Mirage> Depends on where you go..  I think some places you could argue that it never really ended.
16:30 <@dasunt> Dagmar: Crap, I forget, but it's technically after Lee's Surrender (which is the popular date).  I want to say there was some battle in Texas which was the end of organized hostilities.
16:30 <@Dagmar> It's important.
16:31 <@dasunt> Wikipedia has a list of ending events, includings the CSS Shenandoah in November of '65.
16:32 <@Dagmar> The important thing being that you'd think that sort of legislation would _start_ a war, if that was what it was being fought over, wouldn't you?
16:33 <@dasunt> Dagmar: Why?
16:33 <@dasunt> It was more the perception (first Republican in congress) rather than the reality.
16:34 <@Dagmar> The American Revolution was _not_ very far in the past.
16:34 <@dasunt> The perception was that slavery was going to die out.
16:34 <@Dagmar> The Americans had already fought one war for the right to organize themselves.
16:35 <@Dagmar> They basically fought another one.
16:38 <@Dagmar> The short of it being that the claim that the American Civil War was about slavery are wildly, mind-numbingly over-simplifying things.
16:38 <@dasunt> "right to organize themselves" sounds rather vague.
16:38 <@dasunt> Especially since there was plenty of hollaring over the northern states imposing their own rules that were nullifying the federal fugitive slave acts.
16:38 <@Dagmar> WTF else you call it when you tell your government to get the fuck out because you're drafting your own rules
16:39 <@Dagmar> The major problem I have with that representation is that it ignores the fact that, occasionally, governments stop serving the interests of the people and need to be done over
16:39 <@Dagmar> Like we did _here_
16:42 <@Dagmar> People who want to pretend that it was all about slavery are whitewashing over the fact that even in America, we've fucked up so badly that war broke out
16:42 <@Dagmar> That our system of organization _isn't perfect_, and might need more adjustments.
16:43 <@dasunt> Dagmar: Have you read the declaration of causes for the state of Mississippi?
16:43 <@dasunt> Have you read the cornerstone speech?
16:43 <@Mirage> arguably it's needed again.  i'd be 100% behind banning career politicians from national (senate/house) elections with an amendment also banning lobbyists from doing anything beyond meeting with those politicians in their offices or official meeting rooms.
16:45 <@Mirage> there's entirely too much shady shit that goes on in office anymore...and it doesn't seem like most politicians have anyone's best interest in mind but their own
16:46 <@dasunt> Have we just tried flogging politicians?
16:46 <@Dagmar> I could get behind that
16:46 <@Mirage> tar/feathering should be a required punishment for misconduct
16:46 <@Mirage> flogging optional
16:47 <@Dagmar> Now, as to the secession statements... did _you_ actually read them, or did someone give you a list of bullet points and then hop up and down yelling "THEY SAID SLAVERY!  THEY SAID SLAVERY!"
16:48 <@dasunt> Dagmar: I've read them.
16:48 <@Dagmar> Because most of them are pretty clear about the fact they have a *big* problem with the way the northern states were all but gerrymandering the southern states into having no control over anythign
16:49 <@dasunt> Can you name four things the southern states felt they were losing control over, other than slavery?
16:50 <@Dagmar> Their ability to protect themselves was fairly large in Texas eyes
16:51 <@dasunt> How so?
16:51 <@Dagmar> They were still duking it out with Mexico, and political games were keeping them from allocating money towards that because of their "slave-holding" status
16:53 <@dasunt> Can you give a specific example?  I do recall we got everything we wanted in the war of '46-'48.
16:53 <@Dagmar> Nope.
16:54 <@Dagmar> I just remember I had a couple of history teachers who actually worked through a timeline of causes and effects, rather than just a boring calendar of events
16:54 <@Mirage> like this? http://www.historynet.com/causes-of-the-civil-war
16:54 < PigBot`> Title: Causes Of The Civil War | HistoryNet (at www.historynet.com) http://tinyurl.com/phhbrtc
16:55 <@dasunt> Everythign that Texas claimed for territory, it got once it joined the US and the US went over war for it.
16:55 <@Dagmar> From the revolutionary war to a few decades _after_ the civil war, there were numerous large shifts in what was considered to be the role of government, as well as the relationships between the federal/central government, and state governments
16:56 <@dasunt> Dagmar: Have you read the CSA's constitution and compared it to the US's constitution?
16:56 <@Dagmar> Yeah
16:57 <@Dagmar> At one point I was also confused enough to think that one of the two sides _must_ have been "right"
16:58 <@Dagmar> Now I'm wise enough to know that these frameworks are a fiction which can actually be wrong in ways destructive to the people trying to follow them
16:58 <@Dagmar> If the fiction _works_, the people prosper
16:58 <@Dagmar> When it doesn't work, chaos and misery follow
16:59 <@dasunt> So what parts of the CSA's constitution addresses these issues that are supposedly the other causes?
16:59 <@dasunt> I recall some changes, such as a 1 term, 6 year presidency, and a line item veto.
16:59 <@Dagmar> It addressed the issues thsoe states wanted addressed
17:00 <@Dagmar> ...which was mainly that the _other_ states had been making all the rules.
17:00 <@Mirage> why would they need to list all the things they didn't like in the constitution when leaving the US would automatically get them out from under the US laws/policies/etc that they didn't like?
17:00 <@dasunt> I don't recall that from the CSA's constitution.
17:01 <@Dagmar> It's mere existence eliminated the outside intereference.
17:01 <@Mirage> exactly
17:01 <@dasunt> I remember some an interesting clause about meddling in interstate taxes though.  Which doesn't seem to be a "states right" thing.
17:02 <@dasunt> I recall it prohibited states from making slavery illegal as well.
17:05 <@dasunt> Mirage: I'm not saying that they'd need to list all the things they didn't like, but if the various southern states were pissed at the federal government from meddling with them, one would assume they'd address that in their own constitution.
17:06 <@dasunt> Declaration of Causes tend to be the "reason you suck" speech the various southern states gave.  Mississippi's is especially bad when it comes to slavery:  http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/primarysources/declarationofcauses.html#Mississippi
17:06 < PigBot`> Title: The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States (at www.civilwar.org) http://tinyurl.com/nu2m8zn
17:06 <@Mirage> Like what, creating an amaendment banning the US from imposing "unfair" tarrifs?
17:07 <@Mirage> Or maybe one requiring the US to return escaped slaves.
17:08 <@Mirage> of course if they were that worried about escapees they could have taken the Trump route and declared that a wall would be built along the northern border
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17:09 <@dasunt> Mirage: They tended to address that in the succession - the property they talk about was slaves.
17:09 <@dasunt> Under federal law, slaves had to be returned.
17:10 <@dasunt> In parts of the north, either people would ignore the law, or they'd engage in their own little bit of states' rightism and legalize slaves becoming free based on the slave's declaration.
17:11 <@Mirage> under federal law BEFORE leaving the US, yes..  WTF would the US care about returning slaves to the CSA?
17:11 <@dasunt> Mirage: Yep, before leaving the US.  That was one of their major complaints - that the federal government wasn't controlling the northern states.
17:12 <@dasunt> That's why they specifically complained about the federal government when they left.  Georgia, for example, said "The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with refer
17:13 <@dasunt> I'm not cherry picking, btw - that's literally the first and second sentence of their declaration of leaving the US.
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17:30 <@Dagmar> The papers that have been written about the divisions between federal and state gov't from that period are pretty good stuff
17:48 < ^020d> If only there was a channel for politics or history...
17:49 < xray> or hacking
17:49 < ^020d> THAT would be amazing
17:51 < ^020d> So off topic...  ;-)  I ran into BackOrifice today on an nmap UDP scan
17:51 < xray> and it wasn't a test system?
17:51 < xray> but production?
17:52 < ^020d> This is a vulnhub type thing
17:52 < xray> Ah never mind then
17:52 < ^020d> Turns out UDP scans will false positive on that
17:52 < xray> Admins have been known to use BO as an admin tool.
17:52 < ^020d> But I had fun getting the BO clients (98 and 2k) off the wayback machine.
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21:33 <@Catonic> wow, we're active & busy
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