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04:06 < aestetix> https://sputniknews.com/radio_fault_lines/201704111052506840-white-house-power-struggle-confused-foreign-policy/
04:06 < aestetix> this is great
04:06 < PigBot`> Title: White House Power Struggle Creates Confused Foreign Policy (at sputniknews.com) http://tinyurl.com/lgofzhx
04:06 < aestetix> a radio show cohosted by a progressive democrat and a republican trump supporter
04:06 < aestetix> both quite intelligent
04:06 < aestetix> the democrat sits on the board of the ACLU, and the republican is personal friends with steve bannon
04:07 < aestetix> I'm not sure you can get two more opposing views
06:23 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:23 <@Dolemite> Time to buy some UAL stock!
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06:24  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
06:24 < aestetix> oh wow
06:24 < aestetix> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/uniteds-stock-is-set-to-fall-5-and-wipe-1-billion-off-the-airlines-market-cap-2017-04-11
06:24 < PigBot`> Title: United’s stock falls 1.1%, wipes out $255 million off the airline’s market cap - MarketWatch (at www.marketwatch.com) http://tinyurl.com/m5zc9lo
06:25 < aestetix> I bet bumping the $800 to $1200 is not looking so expensive now
06:30 <@Dolemite> It's not like the guy would have changed his mind at $1200.  Also, they did offer $1000, apparently.
06:33 < aestetix> yes but I thought the point was to free up a seat, not that guy's seat
06:34 <@Dolemite> ok well to that extent, nobody else was budging voluntarily at the $1000 point
06:34 < aestetix> so bump it up more
06:34 < aestetix> although at that price point you can buy your employee a flight on another airline
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07:04 <@Dolemite> I've had them put me on a different airline before.  They might not have had that option.
07:05 < aestetix> well now they get to figure out what to do with $255 million less
07:05 <@Dolemite> It will recover that
07:05 <@Dolemite> Besides, that was all funny money, anyway
07:06 <@Dolemite> Market Value != Capital
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07:27 < aestetix> God I fucking hate systemd
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07:40 < aestetix> wow what the hell is going on with drupal
07:41 < aestetix> looks like there's about as much logic there as there was with Tor
07:45 < aestetix> https://www.drupalconfessions.org/ for context
07:45 < PigBot`> Title: Drupal Confessions (at www.drupalconfessions.org) http://tinyurl.com/k3fhaug
08:14 <@rattle> aestetix: Currently it's just giving RST's.  It's a well know fact that Drupal causes AIDS.  Please elaborate on the new findings.
08:14 < aestetix> lolol
08:14 < aestetix> rattle: the reason this concerns me though is that this could permeate into any project
08:14 <@rattle> I am actually seriously interested.  That's a platform I have to track.
08:14 < aestetix> Drupal is way, way bigger than Tor.
08:15 <@rattle> Oh, yes.
08:15 <@rattle> Big time.
08:15 < aestetix> Tor kind of makes sense it would devolve because it's staffed with self-righteous ideologues.
08:15 < aestetix> Drupal on the other hand powers quite a few places.
08:16 < aestetix> And IIRC there is similar nonsense going on in GNU right now
08:17 < aestetix> And against Linus Torvalds.
08:17 <@rattle> From a waterhole perspective, the overall threat it poses to folks in my position is huge.  We track issues with Drupal, just because of that.  When a Drupal 0day drops, a whole host of websites need to be scrutinized differently.
08:17 < aestetix> Yep.
08:18 <@rattle> I haven't been following the Linux drama at all.  Linus can truly be an asshole, but he's almost always right when it comes to the engineering issue at hand.
08:19 <@rattle> I've always found his to be very entertaining when he is being an asshole too.  I like him.
08:19 < aestetix> I don't recall the specifics, but I understand that Linus will no longer remain alone in a room with a woman at a conference now.
08:19 <@rattle> Oh, one of those.
08:19 <@rattle> Damn.
08:19 < aestetix> By his own choice, as a point of caution.
08:20 <@rattle> Ok, this is starting to be come funny again.
08:23 < aestetix> At this point, the words "radical inclusion" are kryptonite for me.
08:23 < aestetix> Even "inclusion" is getting toxic.
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08:46 <@Dolemite> So Linus is going to Mike Pence the women contributors.
09:09 <@Corydon76> For much the same reason that I'm rarely alone in a con room with a male colleague.  Even if nothing happened, the rumors quickly spread.
09:10 < aestetix> Corydon76: there is something to be said for social trust.
09:17 <@Corydon76> Social trust only works when both sides have something to lose.
09:17 < aestetix> This is true.
09:27 <@dasunt> I'm working on social apathy instead.
09:28 <@dasunt> Inclusiveness and tolerance due to the fact that I don't think your personal life is interesting enough to me.  ;)
09:31 <@dasunt> WTF:  https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/64qay8/united_airlines_updating_their_app/
09:31 < PigBot`> Title: United Airlines updating their app : facepalm (at www.reddit.com) http://tinyurl.com/mfkxn3s
09:32 <@Corydon76> dasunt: definitely a cringe-inducing description
09:33 <@dasunt> It's claimed to be fake.
09:34 <@dasunt> I just saw that reading the comments.
09:34 <@dasunt> Also according to the comments, the app is being lowly rated with a lot of snarky comments, but even before this, the app had a low rating.  LOL.
09:35 <@Corydon76> 3.6 is not a terrible rating
09:36 <@dasunt> What's the Linus Torvalds drama?
09:39 <@Corydon76> Only thing I see is something from November 2015, which appears to be drama stirred up by Breitbart
09:40 <@Corydon76> Looks like ESR was the source of the story, and it had nothing to do with Linus
09:40 <@dasunt> aestetix: What's the GNU nonsense involving Linus?
09:41 <@oddball> I'm guessing more of Linus making Dagmar look like a people person.
09:43 <@dasunt> Yippie:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/sessions-orders-justice-dept-to-end-forensic-science-commission-suspend-review-policy/2017/04/10/2dada0ca-1c96-11e7-9887-1a5314b56a08_story.html?utm_term=.d37769653150
09:43 < PigBot`> Title: Sessions orders Justice Dept. to end forensic science commission, suspend review policy - The Washington Post (at www.washingtonpost.com) http://tinyurl.com/l7x2ywg
09:50 <@Corydon76> dasunt: it creates a fun opening for defense lawyers, who can point out that certain forensic practices were under review, when the review was cancelled for political reasons -- "What are they hiding?" -- and it may raise reasonable doubt
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10:14 <@dasunt> I hate Sessions.
10:14 < dfused> I hate cats.
10:16 <@Corydon76> I hate that a drug company just paid off my annual medical deductible.
10:16 <@Corydon76> Oh wait, no, I don't.
10:16 <@dasunt> Lucky.
10:17 < dfused> I hate drugs..... no wait.... not hate....that other thing.
10:17 <@dasunt> Why is it that almost any time I see an article about police, courts, or prisons, I just want to facepalm?
10:17 <@Corydon76> dasunt: I'm sure your doctor can put you on the same thing and you can sign up for the identical program
10:17 <@Corydon76> The drug is called Truvada
10:18 <@Corydon76> Gilead will pay up to $3600 annually in deductibles and copays for the drug
10:18 <@dasunt> I don't think I need it, but if the drug company just pays off the medical deductible, that means I could get the rest of the healthcare I do need cheaply.
10:18 <@Corydon76> You just have to ask
10:18 <@Corydon76> I'll get you the link if you want it
10:19 <@dasunt> It's okay, for some reason I think it's unethical to ask for a drug just to lower the cost of my healthcare.
10:19 <@Corydon76> You just have to demonstrate a medical need for the drug -- like having lots of sex with a multitude of anonymous partners
10:19 < dfused> hah....ethical.
10:20 <@dasunt> I know, fuck me, right?  Why have ethics when the insurance company has none?
10:20 <@Corydon76> Why have ethics when neither the insurance company nor the drug company, are following any
10:20 < dfused> one can argue abot two wrong dont make a right blah blah... but when the game is rigged to be played a certain way or else you lose.... then , by all means, play it that way
10:21 <@Corydon76> But in my case, I do have a legitimate need -- because I have lots of sex with a multitude of anonymous people
10:21 < dfused> so what.
10:22 <@Dolemite> At some point Corydon76 will only be able to ejaculate if he masturbates with 100 grit sandpaper.
10:22 <@Corydon76> https://www.gileadadvancingaccess.com/get-started-advancing-access
10:22 < PigBot`> Title: Get Started with Gilead Advancing Access® (at www.gileadadvancingaccess.com) http://tinyurl.com/m46hm8w
10:23 <@Corydon76> dfused: just in case you thought I was doing something unethical and decided to report me
10:23 < dfused> lol couldnt care less
10:23 <@Corydon76> Or someone else who might simply lurk in here
10:25 <@Corydon76> dasunt: other drug companies offer similar programs.  Their logic is, if they can help someone get over the price point of the initial deductible, and insurance will pay the rest of it, then it's well worth it to them to help patients get past that initial price point.
10:26 <@Dolemite> I still stand by my sandpaper comment
10:27 < dfused> encouraging Dolemite is encouraging.....
10:30 < dfused> https://twitter.com/EdClowes/status/852135186695368704
10:30 < PigBot`> Title: Ed Clowes on Twitter: "Most of the United Airlines social media vitriol has been run-of-the-mill, but this Gracie Breakdown from Rener and Ryron is pure genius. https://t.co/DP4UmFx8jf" (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/mcuqd8x
10:30 < dfused> the commentary is fucking hilarious
10:31 <@Corydon76> Have you seen the other kerfuffle about United bumping a passenger?
10:32 < dfused> not sure
10:32 <@Dolemite> The guy flying back from Hawaii to LA?
10:32 <@Corydon76> Yeah, him
10:32 < dfused> nope.
10:32 <@Dolemite> http://www.latimes.com/business/lazarus/la-fi-lazarus-united-low-priority-passenger-20170412-story.html
10:32 < PigBot`> Title: United passenger threatened with handcuffs to make room for 'higher-priority' traveler - LA Times (at www.latimes.com) http://tinyurl.com/ksm9nav
10:35 < dfused> wow
10:35 < dfused> corporate power.  at some point, they say "fuck it, you wont break us, so we can get away with whatever"
10:37 <@Corydon76> Anybody want to start a pool on when the United CEO resigns?
10:38 <@Corydon76> Given Friday is a market holiday, I'd say Thursday, after market close.
10:46 < aestetix> The Linus drama might have been the thing from 2015. I can't remember. I just remember he pissed off a lot of SJWs
10:51 < aestetix> https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/64x9it/tifu_by_making_a_south_park_reference/
10:51 < PigBot`> Title: TIFU by making a South Park reference. : tifu (at www.reddit.com) http://tinyurl.com/l7ylg58
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11:33 <@Dagmar> dfused: THey're going to get their asses handed to them in court over that kind of stuff
11:34 <@Dagmar> dfused: After looking the other day, it turns out the laws about that are rather specific.  Once someone has boarded and is seated is explicitly different from someone still waiting at the gate.
11:34 <@Dagmar> Once you're in a seat, that seat is _yours_ unless the plane isn't flying at all, or perhaps you are on fire.
11:35 <@Dagmar> An airline can *not* "bump" a passenger who's already seated.
11:35 <@Dagmar> Threatening that man with handcuffs could probably be construed as assault or worse.
11:35 <@Dolemite> So apparently this guy actually gave up his seat, but then changed his mind
11:36 <@Dolemite> Oh, you're talking about the LA one
11:36 <@Dolemite> The Dr. Drugs, er, Dr. Dao situation he and his wife gave up their seats
11:37 <@Dagmar> Did they have a third incident this week?
11:37 <@Dolemite> There was a guy in Hawaii flying to LA that got bumped from his first class seat to a middle row economy seat
11:38 <@Dagmar> Yeah that's in the LA Times tores dfused linked
11:38 <@Dagmar> There's actually laws specifically outlining what an airline can and can't do.
11:39 <@Dagmar> THey make a clear and explicit distinction between an overbooking situation when passengers are at the gate, and the wholly separate situation of when a passenger is already seated on the plane.
11:39 <@Dagmar> Airlines no longer have the "right to refuse boarding" to a passenger who is already seated in the plane.
11:41 <@Dagmar> So, this isn't some play on words where they attempt to craftily redefine "boarding".  Once a passenger has boarded, they are no longer board-ing.  They have to _voluntarily_ give up their seat or the airline just has to suck it up.
11:41 <@Dolemite> So which case are you talking about right now
11:42 < K`Tetch> Dolemite - and ease up on the dr drugs thing - may not even be the right doc there. I saw something this morning (around 4am) that indicated the drugs one had diffrent middle names
11:42 <@Dagmar> The one from the LA Times story.  That man was already seated, too.
11:43 < K`Tetch> I once had the opposite experience. flying from ATL to LAX, delta changed the aircraft, but for a bigger one (an L1011) so we all pretty much got our own blocks of 3 seats.
11:44 < K`Tetch> annoying, because this HOT tennis player about my age was due to sit next to me, she ended up in the 3-seat block behind
11:44 < dfused> damn cock blocked by Delta
11:45 < K`Tetch> exactly
11:46 < K`Tetch> everyone knows girls can't resist a british accent
11:46 < K`Tetch> and back then I was 19 and oh-so british
11:47 <@Dagmar> See also https://thefederalist.com/2017/04/11/did-united-airlines-violate-its-own-contract-by-forcing-that-passenger-off-the-plane/
11:47 < PigBot`> Title: Did United Violate Its Contract By Forcing That Passenger Off The Plane? (at thefederalist.com) http://tinyurl.com/la6655q
11:47 <@Dagmar> Also, United has now admitted that Dao's (the first incident with the viral video) flight was not in fact, overbooked.
11:48 < K`Tetch> and that the flight the crew were needed for was 'the next day'
11:48 <@Dagmar> ...which is good because they were going to take it up the keister extra hard if they kept trying to fly that lie and it wound up in court
11:49 <@Dolemite> Yeah, the flight crew was in a 'must carry' status
11:49 <@Dagmar> Doesn't matter what they try and call it, the law is pretty explicit
11:50 <@Dagmar> People with reserved, confirmed seats who are in them can only be moved voluntarily
11:50 <@Dagmar> The only weight "must carry" would have would involve prioritizing them over standby flyers, and people who had not yet boarded the plane
11:51 <@Dagmar> UA fucked up by allowing the plane to board and then trying to change their minds.
11:55 < dfused> hrm...
11:55 < dfused> http://www.networkworld.com/article/3189464/security/researchers-developing-autonomous-robot-surveillance-many-eyes-with-one-mind.html
11:56 < PigBot`> Title: Researchers developing autonomous robot surveillance, many eyes with one mind | Network World (at www.networkworld.com) http://tinyurl.com/kfabocj
11:56 < dfused> would involve robots sharing “information as they move around, and if necessary, interpret what they see. This would allow the robots to conduct surveillance as a single entity with many eyes.”
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12:09 <@Corydon76> Dagmar:  yep, UAL flight 4771, leaving O'Hare at 9pm with service to Louisville.
12:10 <@Corydon76> So basically, United has no leg to stand on.  There was no need to bump passengers from THAT flight.
12:12 <@Dagmar> Exactly.
12:13 <@Dagmar> More importantly, they had no legal grounds to do it at all.
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12:17 < K`Tetch> I think it's become the whole 'drunk with power' of the flight crew
12:17 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: I understand the "must fly" status, and it seemed like the pendulum swung the other way... UNTIL it was revealed that there was an additional flight to Louisville that evening that had not yet boarded AND the flight crew was only needed the next day.
12:18 <@Dolemite> Corydon76: Depends on how much rest time was required for the crew before their flight the next day
12:18 < K`Tetch> remember, 'not complying with flight crew is a criminal offense'
12:18 <@Corydon76> That means United has no justification for their actions AT ALL.
12:18 < K`Tetch> Dolemite - doesn't 'rest time' only matter when they're actually working, not when they're passengers
12:18 <@Dolemite> K`Tetch: And that takes us right back to my statement from the other day - what if the flight attendant told me to strip down and bark like a dog?
12:19 < K`Tetch> right, there's no accountability
12:19 <@Dolemite> K`Tetch: I don't know enough about the rules to answer that.  It could be that a contiguous amount of time is required.
12:19 < K`Tetch> there's no stipulation on 'lawfulness', nor are they anything but privately employed persons
12:20 <@Dagmar> That falls under the same rules as cops issuing orders that they have no legal right to give
12:20 <@Corydon76> K`Tetch: I rather suspect that a court would take into account whether the instructions were lawful
12:20 < K`Tetch> https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/rulemaking/recently_published/media/2120-AJ58-FinalRule.pdf
12:20 < PigBot`> K`Tetch: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 30480 bytes.
12:20 < K`Tetch> "Flightcrew Member Duty and Rest Requirements "
12:20 <@Corydon76> Otherwise, a male flight attendant could instruct a female passenger to allow herself to be raped.
12:21 < K`Tetch> the obvious cases, yes. but it's always the determination of the border
12:21 <@Dolemite> Or a male one
12:21 < K`Tetch> between lawful and unlawful
12:23 <@Dolemite> Carriers will be required to provide their crew with a 10-hour rest opportunity
12:23 <@Dolemite> prior to commencing a duty period that includes flying. While the 10-rest period may
12:23 <@Dolemite> include the amount of time it takes to get to or from a flightcrew member’s house or hotel
12:23 <@Dolemite> room, the actual amount of time required for a sleep opportunity may not be reduced
12:23 <@Dolemite> below 8 hours. In addition, the length of continuous time off during a 7-day period has
12:23 <@Dolemite> been extended from 24 hours under the existing rules to 30 hours. Additional time off is
12:23 <@Dolemite> required for individuals whose internal clock may be off because of flipping back and
12:23 <@Dolemite> forth between different time zones.
12:24 <@Dagmar> Still, that's UA's problem... not the problem of any of their passengers.
12:24  * dasunt agrees with Dagmar.
12:25 <@Dagmar> Since what UA was offering to anyone who volunteered their seat didn't match up with the specific quantities of money the CoC very carefully outlines...
12:26 <@Dagmar> ...it seems like some member of middle management was trying to bluff their way through and not take the hit for actually bumping someone they couldn't legally bump from the flight.
12:26 <@dasunt> What prevents UA from offering more than just cash?
12:26 <@Dagmar> Nothing but greed.
12:26 <@dasunt> Is there a restriction?  Or could UA do the max amount of cash the CoC allows, and say vouchers for 10 free flights?
12:26 <@Dagmar> What they were being offered appears to be less than provided for by the CoC
12:27 <@Dagmar> The CoC doesn't apparently believe in vouchers.
12:27 <@dasunt> But is it prohibited to say "Hey, we'll give you $1,000, free hotel room, upgrade you to first class, and vouchers for 10 free flights if you give up your seat"?
12:27 <@Corydon76> dasunt: they can offer whatever they want.  The CoC simply specifies a limit on what they're REQUIRED to offer
12:28 <@Dagmar> The money awarded seems pretty clearly meant as a penalty for the airline and a recompensation for the flyer.
12:28 <@Dagmar> s/limit/minimum/
12:28 <@Corydon76> But the airline is free to offer more
12:28 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: well, it's specified as a limit on their liability
12:28 <@Corydon76> It's 4 times the cost of the ticket, capped at $1350 in cash
12:29 <@Corydon76> But if they're offering vouchers, they're basically depending upon passengers not knowing that the regulation requires cash
12:29 <@Dolemite> You can request cash, but the airline doesn't have to offer cash
12:30 <@Dagmar> Yes they actually do
12:30 <@Corydon76> Dolemite: the regulation specifies cash
12:30 <@Dagmar> They have to pay up even if they get you there, but your arrival time is more than an hour late
12:30 <@Dolemite> No, if you tell them you want cash instead of a voucher, they have to comply, but they have no obligation to wave cash in front of you
12:30 <@Corydon76> I'm sure the point of the cash is to avoid underhanded carriers offering vouchers that aren't good for anything
12:31 <@Dolemite> Hrmm.  Odd.  I guess all the vouchers I've gotten over the years and used weren't good for anything.
12:32 <@Corydon76> Dolemite: I'm not saying that the vouchers aren't good, just that it avoids the possibility of an airline offering vouchers that are full of fine print that make it all but impossible to redeem
12:32 <@Dolemite> I've never had a problem redeeming them, but I do see how they are less useful to others.
12:32 <@Corydon76> And vouchers do expire, whereas cash does not
12:33 <@Dolemite> The ones I've gotten haven't expired
12:33 <@Corydon76> Dolemite: you use them within a year, though
12:33 <@Corydon76> Not everybody travels as often
12:33 <@Dolemite> But I'm smart enough to ask them for that, along with a day pass to the club so that I can get free booze and snacks while I wait for the next flight.
12:33 <@Dolemite> I haven't had to use mine within a year.
12:33 <@Corydon76> Precisely.  You know what to ask for.
12:34 <@Dolemite> That's how pretty much everything works
12:34 <@Dolemite> Those who know what to ask for get the best benefits.  Those who expect anything different end up getting the shaft.
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12:54 <@Dagmar> I'm smart enough to not fly UA except as a measure of last resort.
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13:14 < aestetix> lol
13:14 < aestetix> United Airlines Elite .... UAE
13:36 < K`Tetch> i haven't flown for 14 years, and I don't intend to any time soon
14:08 <@Evilpig> it's tricky getting off that no fly list
14:12 < dfused> to rock around to rock around its trickay
14:18 < K`Tetch> http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/united-airlines-doctor-david-dao-drugs-gay-sex-court-documents-oscar-munoz-a7680221.html
14:18 < PigBot`> Title: Is the United Airlines man being smeared in the media even the right David Dao? It shouldn't matter | The Independent (at www.independent.co.uk) http://tinyurl.com/kymap3u
14:19 < K`Tetch> Evilpig - yeah, actually 'kinda' the reason, but from the other side
14:19 < K`Tetch> its the existance of the no-fly lists, and the TSA grop-a-thons, etc. that I refuse to fly
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15:00 <@Dagmar> K`Tetch: You can just about bet that since so many different news agencies had this terrible stuff to say about Dao so quickly, that they were _handed_ that information by a PR firm paid to smear him.  Probably hired by UA.
15:00 <@Dagmar> Damn I hope that gets uncovered.
15:00 <@Dagmar> Dao will never have to work again.
15:00 <@Dagmar> He can just keep seeing his patients for free.
15:15 <@Corydon76> I wouldn't count on it being a smear campaign.  I think it's more likely that the media just *loves* digging up dirt on people, even when they aren't public figures
15:17 <@Corydon76> Thing is, unlike in situations, where somebody makes an outrageous allegation which later turns out to be untrue, in this case, there are multiple witnesses and *video*, which means that his prior history is utterly *irrelevant*.
15:18 <@Corydon76> This isn't like a case of some waitress complaining about a homophobic message written on a check, who we later find out isn't reliable as a source...
15:20 <@Corydon76> But media is continuously afraid that somebody is going to public something salient before they do, so they rush to find absolutely everything about a person, even when it's completely irrelevant.  If someone were to sue a media company and *win* for their name being pulled through the mud for no fault of their own, this might stop, but until then...
15:20 <@Corydon76> s/public/publicize/
16:31 <@dasunt> I wish we'd grow up as a people and not care.
16:32 <@dasunt> What does this even mean - does it make Dao an acceptable target if he was involved in a drugs-for-sex scandal?  Are only certain people worthy of being treated like a human being?
16:35 <@dasunt> I find you humans really weird and can't wait until the aliens come to take me back home.
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16:54 <@Dagmar> Typically, media has enough sense to verify the _entire_ name
16:54 <@Dagmar> This many media outlets apparently not noticing thet the two middle names are different just *reeks* of someone sending out "suggested story verbiage"
17:07 <@dasunt> I disagree.  Media is totally willing to report each other's nonsense as news during a breaking story.
17:16 <@Dagmar> _Those_ kinds of disparagements can readily result in a *huge* slander and libel settlement
17:17 <@Dagmar> It wasn't framed as speculation or editorial or even a possible theory... Those things were stated as _facts_
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19:13 < phneak> bobby brown says eat shit!
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20:06 <@Dagmar> Better and better.  The doctor from the UA flight was the guy who got arrested, but the *other* Dao who didn't has been catching hell about the news stories
20:07 <@Dagmar> So... he'll probably sue some news agencies and include UA just because.  :)
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22:09 <@Dagmar> Well...
22:10 <@Dagmar> Despite adding a whole new subsection my PDART app went from 6.7Mb to 6.4Mb by properly implementing themes and removing ALL the fucking commands I was using to set hte graphics
22:10 <@Dagmar> Not freakin' bad
22:10 <@Dagmar> It also looks _swanky_ now.
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