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02:16 < aestetix> so
02:16 < aestetix> https://2017game.picoctf.com/game
02:16 < PigBot> Title: picoCTF 2017 (at 2017game.picoctf.com) http://tinyurl.com/mvut7ow
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07:26 < dfused> hrmf...st petersburg got all blowd up... metro , two blasts, 10 dead so far.
07:40 < xray> http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/03/europe/st-petersburg-russia-explosion/
07:40 < PigBot> Title: St. Petersburg metro explosion: 10 dead in Russia blasts - CNN.com (at www.cnn.com) http://tinyurl.com/lwld9b4
07:43 < xray> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/03/saintpetersburg-bombing-casualties-explosion-metro-train/
07:43 < PigBot> Title: St Petersburg explosion: At least 10 dead after shrapnel-filled devices explode in Metro (at www.telegraph.co.uk) http://tinyurl.com/mvcdbac
07:50 < dfused> watching so many videos from so many various cons over various years....one thing is common: apparently it is absoltuely fucking impossible to find ppl to sort out audio and get mics to work properly.
07:57 < aestetix> dfused: this is a universal
08:06 <@Corydon76> dfused: It's absolutely impossible to find volunteer audio geeks at a security geek interest group
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08:32 <@rattle> And even if you have a good av geek, they are usually working with cobbled together rigs.
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08:44 <@Corydon76> I think we could probably find a way to get a rig together that AV geeks could work with; it's just a matter of getting them involved in the process early enough
08:44 <@Corydon76> i.e. finding one on Friday night isn't sufficient
08:45 < dfused> i know I'm being bitchy... but I just cant help but see repeat situations even in the biggest cons (DEFCON) and cant help but wonder why, with all the big brains, that a repeatable solution has not evolved
08:45 <@Corydon76> Or whatever the first day of the con is
08:46 <@Corydon76> dfused: Or, if you believe in a conspiracy, it's that the recordings are purposefully awful to encourage you to attend in person
08:47 < dfused> hehe  could be
08:47 < dfused> "Hey, don't bitch about video uploads. If you want to hear it all, show up"
08:51 <@Corydon76> I've heard that a few times; however, Hanlon's Razor applies here.
08:57 < dfused> Hanlon should just grow a beard
09:02 < K`Tetch> hey, what did you think of the DC EFForums ausio?
09:02 < K`Tetch> did me and xray do a good job, dfused?
09:03 < dfused> ....so you think I've watched every infosec vid?
09:03 < dfused> link
09:03 < xray> yes
09:03 < dfused> lol
09:03 < dfused> xray shutup =P
09:04 < xray> LoL
09:04 < K`Tetch> here, pick one then https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4Juk1Y5sCKkVsFnIwfq0ueKZ6gyvUdoz
09:04 < PigBot> Title: Dragon Con EFForums 2015 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/lurtfxl
09:05 < xray> You bet me to it.
09:05 < xray> was looking for the url
09:05 < K`Tetch> i cheated, i already had my youtube video manager up
09:06 < xray> Tom sounds fine
09:06 < dfused> hah...I'll watch the cancer of all tracks... hacking 101  ...always a nightmare for audio
09:06 < xray> good idea
09:06 < K`Tetch> oh, fuck
09:06 < xray> wathing now
09:06 < K`Tetch> yeah, no sound board for the first half of that one
09:06 < xray> watching
09:07 < aestetix> so I have an idea
09:07 < aestetix> are there any images from the fappening that show girls in underwear?
09:07 < aestetix> or is it all nudes
09:07 < K`Tetch> well, no sound board feed anyway, had to use camera audio while etchops got me a cable
09:07 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Why don't you go research this yourself?
09:07 < aestetix> because I figured I'd consult experts ;)
09:07 < dfused> holy christ....randal ....that dude is just fucking weird. had to work with him before when I was doing sys/net admining of some of his servers up in ATL
09:08 < xray> yes but the audio is understandable none the less
09:08 < aestetix> it seems to me that if you can get a collection of raunchy photos that show underwear
09:09 < aestetix> you can also find sets of underwear that appear to match the images in question
09:09 < aestetix> and then sell them off as being genuine
09:09 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Are you that hard up for cash?
09:09 < xray> was the pun intentional
09:10 < dfused> giggity denied.
09:10 < aestetix> well I mean it makes sense
09:10 < aestetix> send along the panties, with a printout of the photo in question
09:10 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: It might raise some red flags if Jennifer Lawrence's panties ship from Berlin. Just saying...
09:11 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: what are they gonna do, sue me?
09:11 < aestetix> then they have to explain to the judge why they bought a celebrity's used panties on the internet
09:11 <@Corydon76> Although to be fair, anybody who would buy such panties would probably be fooled by male-groin odor masquerading as female groin odor.
09:11 < xray> sure why not. It seems to be all the rage today
09:12 < dfused> well so far sound seems pretty damn good... no cross interference... no volume issues (ex:one mic HOLYSHIT, another mic cant hear shit)
09:13 <@Corydon76> If you were found out, Paypal would flag the transaction as fraudulent, reverse the transaction, declare the panties to be counterfeit and require the recipient to destroy them and provide evidence of their destruction
09:13 <@rattle> There is a right solution.  You hire a professional AV firm to do it all.  I've spoken at countless conferences that didn't have these problems.  It's just, they are not like, hacker cons..  No DYI involved, all turnkey pros.
09:13 < aestetix> Corydon76: this case is better because the panties don't actually have to be "used"
09:13 < aestetix> They just have to have a certificate that "proves" they are valid
09:13 <@rattle> You don't have microphone problems when you're speaking at Gartner.  Problem is, then you're speaking at Gartner.
09:14 <@Corydon76> How do you prove that a stolen item is genuine?
09:14 < aestetix> By including the photo
09:14 < dfused> rattle: yeah, and I know that for most diy cons, that is cost prohibitive ...but i certainly would not expect it for defcon
09:14 <@Corydon76> There's no provenance
09:14 <@rattle> Defcon actually does a decent job for still relying on volunteers.
09:14 <@Corydon76> rattle: yeah, that was the case when I spoke at Astricon
09:15 < dfused> K`Tetch: hurray! a portable mic to hand out to ppl
09:15 <@Corydon76> For $1500 per attendee, they can afford to get professionals to do it
09:16 <@Corydon76> But that also means hobbyists can't afford to attend unless they're speaking
09:16 < K`Tetch> dfused - the small room panels use a catchbox for the audience
09:16 < xray> They're talking about finding CTFs to play. We host NetKotH every month at atl2600 and DC404
09:17 < dfused> aw I spoke too soon...  mic appears to be having issues.
09:18 < aestetix> $1500 is not a hobbyist price
09:18 < aestetix> Unless trump is bringing back reaganomics
09:18 < xray> Usually they forget to turn it on
09:18 < K`Tetch> dfused - yeah, that room was always an issue for me.
09:19 < K`Tetch> didn't help that scott was nowhere to be found, and the previous panel ran late
09:19 < dfused> K`Tetch: still really good handling of things given that that track is always a mess
09:19 < dfused> and I havent been in yrs.... so... yeah, holy shit at the number of ppl in there.
09:19 < K`Tetch> I'd like to think xray got rid of most of the mess, and I just refined things slightly
09:20 < xray> See, now the wireless mic is working
09:20 < aestetix> K`Tetch: does Dragoncon still do that fascist "legal name on badge" shit?
09:20 < K`Tetch> I don't know aestetix
09:20 < xray> no
09:20 < xray> maybe
09:20 < aestetix> I mean really, you'd think a fantasy conference would know better
09:20 <@Corydon76> aestetix: at this point, why don't you just get a German court to legally change your name?
09:21 < xray> I know they let you have a nic on the badge but they may have your name somewhere on the badge in small print.
09:21  * K`Tetch is tempted to change his name by deed poll (which is free in the UK)
09:21 < xray> I'll let you know after this years con.
09:22 <@Corydon76> It's too bad more states aren't friendly toward S-corporations.  You could put every bit of property under the name of an S-corp will no tax implications and save your "real name" for those situations where identity really matters
09:23 <@Corydon76> s/will/with/
09:23 < aestetix> actually another simple way to get around the name issue in the US is to get a DBA
09:24 < aestetix> (doing business as.... not database admin...)
09:25 < aestetix> That doesn't change the fact that Dragoncon had a clueless and fascist naming policy :)
09:28 <@Corydon76> Apparently, in Tennessee, you can't register a DBA for a sole proprietorship
09:30 < aestetix> Another trick .... this only works if you are single.... is to get a joint bank account with yourself
09:30 < aestetix> And now you can put a second name on the account
09:31 < aestetix> A lot of banks will complain, but logically, their policies only insist that each name be attached to an SSN
09:31 < aestetix> and if both names are attached to the same SSN, it technically follows their policy
09:36 < aestetix> Corydon76: btw, did you know that prostitution is legal in Berlin?
09:36 < aestetix> To the extent that it actually caused problems for me when I was trying to find a massage
09:36 < K`Tetch> prostitution is legal in the UK
09:36 < K`Tetch> however, soliciting for it isn't
09:37 <@Corydon76> aestetix: so you found a guy who was willing to have sex with you when you reported for a massage?
09:38 < aestetix> yeah but he wasn't enough into the poo stuff for me
09:39 < aestetix> I mean, if you're in another culture, might as well practice total immersion
09:40 <@Corydon76> aestetix: diving into a shit pond isn't what they mean by 'total immersion'
09:41 < aestetix> I mean, if you're paying 300 EUR for a massage, you might as well throw in a tip and get a little extra
09:42 <@dasunt> Wait, why doesn't TN allow a DBA for a sole proprietorship?
09:42 <@dasunt> That sounds completely fucked up.
09:43 <@Corydon76> dasunt: Has to be a corp or partnership
09:44 <@Corydon76> It may be an oversight in the law... but since you don't need to register with the state for a sole proprietorship, but you need a state registration to file for a DBA.
09:44 <@dasunt> So what do you do if you run a business (Northside Widget Installation or whatever) that a DBA would be used for?
09:44 <@Corydon76> dasunt: LLC
09:44 <@Corydon76> Have to register as that, first, and then you can do a DBA
09:45 < aestetix> Corydon76: you should visit. I think there's a massage place down the street.
09:45 <@dasunt> If you don't need to register a sole prop, does that mean you *can't* register?
09:46 <@Corydon76> dasunt: Their forms for DBA don't have a space for sole proprietorship
09:48 <@Corydon76> Maybe I can do a DBA without registering?  I'd probably need to consult a lawyer
09:48 <@dasunt> It occurs to me that I don't know why my family member has done for his business structure (not in TN).  I'd ask him, but he'd probably say "I don't know, that's what my accountant/lawyer is for".
09:48  * dasunt sometimes gets the feeling that he's made the wrong career choice.
09:50 <@Corydon76> Might be a fun exercise, though I just conduct all my business under my real name
09:51 <@Corydon76> Doesn't matter much, since all of the business I do is subcontract work
09:51 <@dasunt> Yah, my family member actually does trucking. Which sounds like it should be horrible, but actually all the truckers in my family seem to do pretty well.
09:52 < dfused> cept for the health issues
09:52 <@Corydon76> dasunt: is he/she the sole driver?
09:52 <@dasunt> Corydon76: For awhile, yes.  May have a few other people driving for him now, but I don't know the arrangement.
09:52 <@Corydon76> I'd be surprised if he doesn't have an LLC, then
09:53 <@Corydon76> LLC makes it easier to sell the business down the line
09:53 <@dasunt> You assume this person cares.
09:54 <@Corydon76> Sole proprietorship works fine, but if you ever obtain equiipment for the business, you get a huge windfall (and huge tax liability) if you ever sell the business
09:55 <@Corydon76> dasunt: also assuming the government finds out.  I'm pretty certain there are a good number of tax cheats
09:56 <@Corydon76> I wouldn't mind finding out the exact amount of money under which the IRS/Dept of Revenue consider it not worth their while to pursue
09:56 <@Corydon76> Y'know, not for me, but a friend might want to claim that amount of business writeoffs...
10:02 <@dasunt> On the plus side, if you screw up, the IRS is supposed to be remarkably pleasant to work with.
10:02 <@dasunt> (Presumably this only applies if you don't go out of your way to piss them off.)
10:03 <@Corydon76> That's one of those "I'd rather not find out" situations
10:33 <@dasunt> If I never read another article about how Trump won because of poor old Cletus the racist redneck, it'll be too soon.
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11:30 < K`Tetch> sirens going off later guys
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11:44 < xray> I assume you are talking about tornado sirens
11:45 <@opticron> probably, huntsville is just getting the edge of the storm all day long
12:11 < dfused> hrmf... I know I'm lazy but you'd think that pfsense would just be able to import .ovpn files at this point
12:13 <@Corydon76> Does pfsense support *client* mode from its interface?  It's usually set up as the server only.
12:13 < dfused> yeah I've got it setup now as client
12:13 < dfused> just got though setting it up
12:13 < dfused> twas a pain
12:14 <@Corydon76> Had to use the command line?
12:14 < dfused> thanfully no
12:15 < dfused> I'm all about cli for many things...but if I'm gonna use a f/w that has a full gui, then, by dammit... it better do what needs to be done lol
12:15  * dfused shakes fist
12:15 < dfused> there was some extra stuff I didnt expect such as some changes to firewalling/nat but found a great YT vid that derpaderped me through it
12:17 < dfused> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybcc-OBi7kQ
12:17 < PigBot> Title: Update: Configuring An OpenSource pFSense Firewall to Use Private Internet Access VPN - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/l2dwzm3
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12:23 <@Corydon76> K`Tetch: So, I take it you didn't hurl your body into the rocks when hearing the Sirens' Song?
12:24 < aestetix> hey where is Dolemite
12:24 < cyberanger> He went that way...
12:24  * cyberanger points in a general direction, unhelpfully.
12:28 < dfused> aestetix needs someone to hug....   get the fuck away from me!
12:39 <@dasunt> Don't look at me.
12:39  * dasunt backs away, slowly.
12:41 < K`Tetch> wrong sirens Corydon76
12:42 < K`Tetch> this was the EAS sirens
12:42 < K`Tetch> made me hurl myself and my kids into the closets
12:42 < dfused> duct tape em to the floor joists.... they'll be fine
12:43 < K`Tetch> this is an old mill house, even the washing machine spinning on the back porch makes the whole house shake
12:43 < dfused> ick
12:45 < dfused> time to go cook up some bacon..... cause fuck you thats why...and cause bacon = truth
12:46 < xray> it's always time for bacon
12:47 < xray> here piggy piggy piggy. Don't be afraid of the frying pan.
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12:49 < xray> LoL
12:50 <@Evilpig> i'm not always idle
12:59  * aestetix hugs Evilpig 
13:01 < dfused> walmart brand bacon is not that good.
13:02 < dfused> the stuff I like is from the meat market in town...but its like 12$ for a pound of bacon!
13:03 <@opticron> costco actually has nice thick bacon
13:04 < dfused> rather productive day today... upgraded my esxi server, got nessus home setup and scanning again, converted segment of home network to vpn only ....
13:04 < dfused> unfortunately, I have to drive an hour to get to a costco or sams =(
13:05 < dfused> I do go, but not often as it tends to require my brining a few coolers with me for the back of the truck so meat doesnt get hot befor eI can get home
13:20 < cyberanger> dfused: the price of living in the middle of nowhere
13:21 < dfused> aye
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14:19 <@dasunt> Aldis is opening up next to us.  Otherwise it's a 10 minute drive.  :(
14:23 <@dasunt> I was thinking about this yesterday, and I really don't mind living where I'm at.  In 30 minutes, I can be at a state park.  In six hours, I can be in some of the most remote wilderness that's still readily accessible.  Yet I get the big city life.
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14:50 < dfused> I dream of a world where I can live anywhere and have plenty of bandwidth and can have food/clothes/etc dropshipped without issue.
14:51 <@Corydon76> I live in a small town north of Nashville, and I have all of that now
14:51 <@Corydon76> Plus no state income tax
14:52 < dfused> i didnt know TN doesnt do state income tax
14:52 <@Corydon76> Yep.  Sales tax is just under 10% here, though
14:54 < dfused> rather sales tax than income tax
14:55 < dfused> SC is so fucked up they want you to declare anyting you've bought in another state and claim it soe you can pay SC the tax you should have paid them....
14:55 <@Corydon76> It also means that you don't have to choose 1 or the other for credit on your federal taxes
14:55 <@Corydon76> Tennessee has that, too.  It's called use tax, and virtually nobody pays it
14:56 <@Corydon76> Rich people who want to run for public office pay it, because it becomes a huge scandal if they don't
14:56 < dfused> lol
14:56 <@Corydon76> But nobody else does
14:59 <@Corydon76> If you had more money than sense, you could buy all your stuff online and have it shipped to a reshipper in Delaware, because Delaware has no sales tax
15:16 <@dasunt> Only thing about TN is it takes a bit of time to get away to places that are isolated.
15:16 <@dasunt> Oh, and TN isn't socialist.  :p
15:17 <@Corydon76> dasunt: I'm isolated as hell, here in my neighborhood of doctors and lawyers
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15:52 < K`Tetch> 14:01:33 «dfused» walmart brand bacon is not that good. <-- not good because its cheap shitty streaky bacon
15:54 < dfused> https://t.co/ITkqfGijYb
15:54 < PigBot> dfused: That URL appears to have no HTML title.
15:54 < dfused> fuck...sry
15:54 < dfused> https://www.wired.com/2017/04/hackers-emptying-atms-drill-15-worth-gear
15:54 < PigBot> dfused: That URL appears to have no HTML title.
15:54 < dfused> well... the url is title enough.  damn bot
15:55 < dfused> but I cant help but wonder that the bills used in the ATMs ...cant they just be tracked and used to narrow down the culprits?  unless said crew are laundering...
15:55 < dfused> K`Tetch: and its loaded with much more salt than most.
15:56 <@Corydon76> dfused: ATM stockers rarely track exactly which serial numbers went into what machine, especially when the cash is not brand new and consecutive
15:56 < dfused> oh rly.... hmmmmm...
15:57  * dfused whistles innocently
15:57 <@Corydon76> When you consider that insurance likely covers the entire loss, what's the point?
15:57 < dfused> cause , at least in the US, we LOOOOVE to prosecute ppl
15:58 <@Corydon76> Yeah, but there's only one time when that really makes sense:  when tracking deliveries of bills from the Fed to banks
16:00 <@Corydon76> The thieves are much more likely to be caught with old-fashioned police work:  catching them on video and either recognizing a face or catching a license plate number and tracking them that way
16:00 <@Corydon76> Serial number tracking really only works when serial numbers are routinely scanned
16:01 <@Corydon76> And if you've ever noticed at the bank, if you make a cash deposit, the teller throws the cash in a drawer for later counting.
16:02 <@Corydon76> They're only rarely going to be able to track the bills back to a particular business, and even then, the chance that a business can figure out which of their customers passed them those bills is remote
16:05 <@Corydon76> That doesn't even account for how long those bills pass through the illicit market.  Could be the real thieves used the cash to buy drugs, and the dealer used some of those bills to pay rent, and the landlord gave a bill to his kid to buy baked goods at a school, and the PTA president made the deposit.  How do you track down that chain of custody?
16:07 < dfused> yeah...now that I think more about it, even if all were tracked from teh bank to ATM, .. woulndt matter much after that cuase how the hell do you know where to look to find the used bills
16:07 < K`Tetch> wheresGeorge!
16:08 < dfused> just wait till we have trump bills.
16:11 <@Corydon76> I have one question from the first paragraph, though.  Since when are golf balls 3 inches in diameter?
16:16 < dfused> lets not get suprised that a news story is not completly accurate.  its SOP at this point
16:16 < K`Tetch> they're not, they just look that big in his hand...
16:16 < dfused> lmao
16:17 < dfused> thats why I say date women with small hands..... <.<
16:18 <@Corydon76> Speaking of which, I need to get a can of Red Bull for my dick pics on Grindr
16:19 < dfused> 0.o   I rly....rly just do not wanna know.
16:19 <@Corydon76> Because when I try to use my hands in the pic for sizing, guys assume I have small hands
16:19 < dfused> ...wow...
16:20 < dfused> K`Tetch ...thanks for starting that
16:21 <@Corydon76> dfused: I've gotten a bit less offensive in my old age.  Just ask Pig what I used to post in here.
16:22 < dfused> ... I actually remember...
16:22 < dfused> there used to be minor wars in here because of it
16:22 <@Corydon76> You mean like the legendary Boy Butter URL?
16:23 <@Dolemite> Or anytime someone mentioned Twinkie your desire to educate them on alternate meanings
16:23 <@Corydon76> which some teacher clicked on while he was in front of a class...
16:23 < dfused> hell, I think I even threw my hat into the "stfu I dont care" ring... -shrug-
16:23 <@Dolemite> also, acftern00n, be0tches and h0ez!
16:23 <@Dolemite> er, afternoon
16:24 < dfused> YAR!  you're late bitch
16:24 <@Dolemite> This Surface keyboard is smaller than my usual keyboard, so I need to slow down my typing
16:24  * dfused slaps aestetix in the back of the head...
16:24 <@Dolemite> dfused: Yeah, I'm on Avacado Timezone this week.
16:24 < dfused> I ...uh.. don't know what that means...like, that could mean so many things...
16:25 <@Corydon76> Avocado?  California?
16:25 <@Dolemite> The last session I went to was a snoozer that should have been interesting - using blockchain technology outside of bitcoin
16:25 < dfused> like Costa Rica?  Arizona?
16:25 <@Dolemite> Yeah, I'm in LA
16:25 <@Dolemite> They like to put that damn green stuff on everything out here
16:25 < dfused> gee-ohh-waah-kay-mol-aye
16:26 <@Corydon76> Dolemite: if it's warm enough, it'll spread like butter
16:26 <@Dolemite> The session I'm in, now, which I thought wouldn't be all that interesting, actually is.  "The Race to Bare Metal"
16:26 <@Dolemite> Corydon76: like boy butter?
16:26 < dfused> dammit Dolemite
16:26 <@Corydon76> Or cow butter, but sure, Boy Butter.
16:26 <@Dolemite> Hey, we've missed Corydon.  Gotta welcome him back.
16:27 <@Corydon76> I'd mention the other URL, but Pig kicks me every time I mention it, because it brings back bad memories
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17:06 < dfused> fuck...well thats one way to find out only one monitor is plugged into actual battery and the other is just surge.. damn lightning.
17:11 < K`Tetch> heh
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20:10 <@brimstone> On Sunday October 22 we will host Maker Faire Atlanta
20:20 < Shadow404> whos good at bash scripts?
20:43 <@opticron> Shadow404, I blame brimstone
20:44 <@brimstone> define "good"
21:44 < _NSAKEY> I thought this was really interesting. https://www.wired.com/2017/04/russian-hackers-used-backdoor-two-decades/
21:44 < PigBot> _NSAKEY: That URL appears to have no HTML title.
21:45 < _NSAKEY> This is the code that was mentioned. http://phrack.org/issues/51/6.html
21:45 < PigBot> Title: .:: Phrack Magazine ::. (at phrack.org) http://tinyurl.com/m5vsh7y
21:45 < _NSAKEY> That code is older than PhreakNIC.
23:34 < aestetix> anyone here playing picoctf?
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23:57 < Catonic> lol
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