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07:42 < dfused> I need to find anyeone whos lived in AUS .. got some Qs
09:12 < cyberanger> dfused: Would you settle for been there?
09:13 < dfused> more curious about the ins and outs of possibly living in Sydney
09:15 < cyberanger> Ah, wrong city for personal exp. then, I dealt with Brisbane, 10 hours up the coast.
09:16 < dfused> well, I wouldnt mind brisbane...but I'm not finding as much security work as I'm finding in sydney
09:19 < cyberanger> I liked the country, it is more expensive across the board for what I recall. Driving on the wrong side of the road, 1mph over is a speeding ticket (not the US mindset of 5 over is okay, or whatever goes in ATL's case)
09:21 < cyberanger> I'd have moved back then, but I was doing datacenter installs, just a business visa, not a work visa. I didn't have a choice to stay.
09:22 < dfused> rly
09:22 < dfused> I've driven in japan so can handle opposite day driving...
09:23 < cyberanger> Wish I had stayed with that job longer too, might still be doing IT work full time if I did. But that's another story.
09:24 < dfused> so youd live there if you could
09:24 < cyberanger> Yeah, I didn't drive in AUS, but did in the UK. I can't imagine Japan....
09:25 < dfused> do they have good transit?
09:27 < cyberanger> I would, With the understanding that the cost of living is higher (and I'm living in Beijing, so I might be skewed by having made that decision for somewhere more challenging)
09:29 < cyberanger> Transit for Brisbane, I didn't need a taxi. I didn't feel like anything was off-limits by not having a car, but it might be worth thinking about a car if you live in the subrubs
09:30 < cyberanger> I imagine Sydney would match or exceed that, but nothing to really base that on.
09:31 < dfused> I keep reading how sydney has a bad real estate cost issue right now...and I'm seeing that many apts (like 1b/1ba) are even 500+/wk  which is nut-so.  I need to look at brisbane and see if they are as bad
09:31 < cyberanger> How much of that is in the Suburbs?
09:32 < dfused> dont recall =(
09:32 < dfused> plus many of the sites dont really show location like map based... just name, so I didnt spend alot fo time cross ref'ing into maps.google
09:35 < cyberanger> I can believe that though, it's a similar market to Toronto and Vancouver with a lot of foreign purchases, but in that case I found I could beat the prices by going an hour, hour and a half out (and the transit lines went that far too)
09:37 < dfused> yeah I should dig a bit deeper into that and see... cause who knows, mebbe I can sort out partial work from home etc...or even driving a bit to work cause -shrug-  I'm quite spoiled these days
09:37 < cyberanger> Now, was that AU$500 ?
09:37 < dfused> I'm sure it was
09:38 < cyberanger> 380 US then, give or take. 1520 a month US
09:39 < cyberanger> I've seen that in ATL, and seen better out in Kennesaw (and when I dealt with ATL, I drove from Cleveland, TN to a Marta line, so there's that)
09:40 < dfused> oh.   hrm.   still high af  ... but alot more workable.  and from what I remember those were IN sydney in high-rise type 1/1 apts... so I'm confident I could find better by, like you said, lookng further out
09:43 < cyberanger> 180 AUS a week 137.36 US a week 548 USD a month http://www.realestate.com.au/property-unit-qld-new+farm-418036754
09:43 < PigBot> Title: 599 Brunswick Street New Farm Qld 4005 - Unit for Rent #418036754 - realestate.com.au (at www.realestate.com.au) http://tinyurl.com/n44esmg
09:43 < dfused> lol
09:44 < cyberanger> That's a built up area, not Brisbane by address, but really it is. Think Buckhead to Downtown ATL. Let me see if I've got one for Sydney...
09:44 < dfused> wow.... nice view
09:47 < cyberanger> ttp://www.realestate.com.au/property-studio-nsw-birchgrove-420730178
09:49 < dfused> 745/mo
09:51 < cyberanger> Yeah, which might be more than you want, but half of what you thought before, and you could still go further out and get a car.
09:52 < dfused> yeah... but I'm thinking thats not bad to start while I get the lay of the land
09:52 < cyberanger> Also, I don't know how far you'd walk to and from a transit station, bus stop or just straight to the office
09:52 < dfused> hrm... uber is in sydney
09:52 < dfused> -shrug-
09:53 < cyberanger> Looking at a transit map and schedule at a glance, it beats what I saw in the US
09:54 < cyberanger> Which really doesn't say much, I'm spoiled in Beijing. I think only South Korea and Japan would beat this setup
09:55 < cyberanger> Opening a bank account there is easy enough, your actually working and living there so I'd hope it'd be easier for you than me.
09:56 < dfused> the taxis in south korea were always ....erm, interesting.  driving like a bat outta hell .. lanes optional, traffic lights, optional.
09:58 < cyberanger> I wasn't counting taxi's (I think that's cheating when I can get a cab pretty much anywhere in the US, but have to go 50 miles to get to a bus or train, let alone an airport)
10:02 < cyberanger> http://www.realestate.com.au/property-unit-nsw-neutral+bay-420792642 This one beats everywhere I've lived (I'm guessing due to the freeway right next to it though
10:02 < PigBot> Title: 9/291 Ernest Street Neutral Bay NSW 2089 - Unit for Rent #420792642 - realestate.com.au (at www.realestate.com.au) http://tinyurl.com/mvkflx2
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10:04 < dfused> looks like the damn bathrm is as big as the rest of the area combined...bleh
10:05 < dfused> so i guess my next step is to start pumping my CV into sites and seeing what comes of it... cause getting the work visa sponsored is likely to bethe hardest part rly
10:05  * cyberanger has preferred smaller apartments to be fair, boarding schools had really really small dorms so a pillbox seemed bigger to me.
10:06 < dfused> heh
10:06 < cyberanger> But you also saw the massive Brisbane one too, so point is there's massive options.
10:06 < cyberanger> Melborne might be worth a look too then.
10:06 < dfused> ya.. a bit cooler down there, but still an option
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10:08 < cyberanger> Two things. While there's is great TV, expect to use a VPN often and the international backbone can be a bit weak at times (better than Beijing, not that I have a speedtest to really compare)
10:08 < dfused> yeah cause only TV I watch these days is netflix and amazon using my Roku
10:09 < dfused> so I'd have to pickup a vm out of SFO or something and setup a vpn
10:10 < cyberanger> Channel Seven is awesome, can stream online too. And I'm not sure if a VM out of SFO or LAX would beat the geoip filters for Netflix or Amazon, it will for Pandora
10:10 < cyberanger> I've left a Raspi with family tied to a tinc mesh vpn, and route the more stubborn checks through that.
10:11 < dfused> lol
10:11 < dfused> nice
10:12 < cyberanger> Second, there's always that one item you can't get, or is too expensive to bother with, I don't recall what Australia lacked (and the trip was short enough to not miss it I guess)
10:13 < cyberanger> For China it's good dairy, which I can't really do anything about execpt pay more & be less picky. Borderlinx is good if you find something on Amazon that won't ship to Australia for example
10:14 < cyberanger> Like, an Nvidia GPU perhaps, something cheaper in the US that won't spoil in transit.
10:14 < dfused> oh i didnt think abotu that... ugh... i live on amazon prime.
10:15 < cyberanger> Amazon is global, but some items aren't (I loved how Amazon UK did Liquor sales, for example) so it might not really be a huge deal for you in AUS
10:15 < cyberanger> But it could be
10:15 < dfused> meh I can adapt.
10:16 < cyberanger> I used them for a pair of shoes becuase try finding a 12W in Beijing (without going to a cobbler)
10:16 < dfused> lmfao
10:17 < dfused> GOZILLA....wait wrong country
10:19 < cyberanger> It works the other way too, bought a nice Dual Sim Motorola from a store that wouldn't ship outside europe, shipped to a Borderlinx address in Germany and they reshipped it to the US before my flight
10:22 < cyberanger> My biggest problem is the language barrier, and it's not as bad with Austraila. Just a few words and a thicker accent (If my austrailian friends see this, I'm just kidding...mostly)
10:22 < dfused> yeah, I've heard there is some heavy slang to get used to
10:24 < cyberanger> Yeah, the strine differs from the UK too
10:26 < cyberanger> Don't be suprised if somebody farts when you ask for gas, Slab, Ripper and Strine are the only three I recall that caught me offguard (but I imagine you'll find more living there)
10:26 < dfused> yeah
10:27 < cyberanger> Slab = case of beer, Ripper = really great & Strine = Aussie Slang
10:28 < cyberanger> Oh, one more togs, swimsuit
10:28 < cyberanger> That's all the ones I remember.
10:31 < cyberanger> dfused: if you do, good luck and safe travels. I'll be in Austrailia in a few months if you'd like me to try something with a site or something while I'm there, let me know.
10:31 < dfused> well ty for the intel.. I'll have to keep poking around and see what happens
10:33 < cyberanger> Anytime, and if you look a little more towards Brisbane I've got a friend there who *might* (ain't putting words in his mouth, but he's offered before) be willing to do the same. I don't for Sydney
10:33 < dfused> rgr
10:35 < cyberanger> 23:34 here, and I still have lesson prep for tomorrow. Catch you guys later.
13:47 < aestetix> man
13:47 < aestetix> modern systems suck at playing older games
14:11 < K`Tetch> don't forget bogan
14:31 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: There's a reason hardcore DOS gamers have multiple vintage systems in their closets.
14:49 < aestetix> it's godawful
14:56 < aestetix> basically I am looking for a game like halflife
14:56 < aestetix> that had a great adventure mode
14:56 < aestetix> I tried doom 3 and one of the wolfensteins
14:56 < aestetix> I couldn't get either to play
14:57 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: It's bad enough that I still maintain a Windows XP VM, on the off chance that I feel like playing Populous: The Beginning.
14:57 < _NSAKEY> It's not networked, of course, because who is stupid enough to connect XP to anything these days?
14:57 <@Dagmar> ...says the motherfucker who owns an nVidia 1080 card.
14:57 < dfused> lol
14:57 < aestetix> now one issue, granted, is that virtualbox's opengl drivers seem to be about 10 years out of date
14:58 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: That game pretty much wouldn't work on newer versions of Windows. I tried.
14:58 < _NSAKEY> Also, that was long before I got the 1080.
14:58 < aestetix> what's funny is that the one game I did get working was doom 2
14:58 <@Dagmar> it helps if you know what a system with it _working_ is comprised of
14:59 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: My Pentium 4 box was decommed ages ago. I don't feel like keeping something similar around just to run that one game for a week or so every year or two.
15:08 <@Dagmar> They didn't need OpenGL.  They needed a decent VESA driver
15:12 < aestetix> wait
15:12 < aestetix> is the 1080 this card that costs over 1000 bucks?
15:12 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: No.
15:12 < _NSAKEY> You're thinking of the Titan.
15:12 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L34ZkAF9q9w
15:12 < PigBot> Title: GTX 1080 Ti Review - AMAZING - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/hg4nxqp
15:13 < _NSAKEY> The 1080 Ti is 700, and the 1080 (What I have) just got a price cut to $549.
15:13 < _NSAKEY> At least, for the version that's worth having for my purposes (Let's call it "science")
15:14 < aestetix> ok
15:14 < aestetix> I haven't had a desktop machine in over 10 years, so I forget easily ;p
15:15 < _NSAKEY> There's also the current iteration of the Titan, which was $1200 at launch.
15:16 < _NSAKEY> It was, if I recall, only about 35% better than the 1080 at launch.
15:17 < _NSAKEY> I know of someone who ordered a bunch of 1080s before the price cut, but who hadn't gotten the cards yet.
15:17 < _NSAKEY> By a bunch, I mean, he was contacting the NVIDIA partner he bought through in order to see if he could get the difference refunded.
15:18 < _NSAKEY> NVIDIA has gotten Apple-like in not telling anyone anything until they do some sensationalized announcement.
15:18 < _NSAKEY> The partner didn't know anything about the 1080 Ti's launch until the announcement to the general public.
15:19 < _NSAKEY> By "a bunch" of cards, I mean the amount he was trying to get refunded was over 20k, just in an attempt to get the price cut passed on.
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18:24 <@Dagmar> TIL... buttonList[index] != index
18:24 <@Dagmar> !@#!@#
19:18 < Catonic> _NSAKEY: pretty much. Everyone adopts everyone else's model assuming that it's the way things should be done.
19:19 < Catonic> We know well what sort of havok can be wrought by such unthinking behavior.
19:34 < _NSAKEY> Catonic: Sounds about right. It even has a potential for screwing enterprise/big customers, just like Apple's way of handling product announcements.
19:35 < _NSAKEY> In this case, it's people who build GPU clusters with dozens or even hundreds of cards who stand to get screwed the hardest.
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