--- Log opened Thu Mar 16 00:00:30 2017 00:53 < remoford1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZmqbL-hz7U t minus 6 mins 00:53 < PigBot> Title: Echostar XXIII Hosted Webcast - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/hoxykop 01:34 -!- remoford1 [~remo_lapt@c-68-52-35-32.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:54 < aestetix> so rattle a question for you 04:54 < aestetix> do you have any good slides to teach people how to recognize a phishing mail 04:57 < aestetix> or a basic "how to check it's a phishing mail" thing 04:59 < aestetix> oh wow phreaknic 20 had 200 attendees, that's great 05:01 * aestetix tries to find rattle's phreaknic talk from a few years ago 05:21 -!- Dolemite [~scott@96-38-109-185.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:23 -!- Dolemite [~scott@96-38-109-185.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #se2600 05:23 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dolemite] by ChanServ 05:23 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 05:23 <@Dolemite> greetings from cold and flat oHIo 05:24 * aestetix hugs Dolemite 05:24 <@Dolemite> I tried Skyline Chili last night. So not impressed. 05:27 <@Dolemite> Well, time to head down for breakfast and get this day of training started. Later 06:24 -!- remoford [~remo_lapt@c-68-52-35-32.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 07:00 -!- remoford [~remo_lapt@c-68-52-35-32.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:04 < dfused> dammit....need to go to store today to get groceries. ....but fuck this cold stuff...miserable. 07:53 < aestetix> did they just raise the interest rate? 07:53 < xray> I think the did yesterday 07:53 < aestetix> that's what I mean 07:53 < xray> 1/4 point 07:53 < aestetix> so after like 8 years of no adjustment 07:53 < xray> I think that is what they said on the radio 07:53 < aestetix> that's like the third increase 07:54 < xray> Yes but they supposedly said they will not be adjusting it again for "a while" 07:54 < xray> Whatever that means 07:56 < dfused> until trumps next tweet 07:57 < dfused> they already fucked with the rates, w/e on FHA loans.... fuckers.... 08:38 <@rattle> aestetix: Teaching folks to recognize a phishing email is tricky. We've found it works best in small groups, and you show them a few things based on how tech savvy they are. The key point to always drill, drill, and drill again, is that if they have any doubt of something's validity, report it. 08:39 <@rattle> It's slightly counterintuitive, but the more you teach them to detect an attack, the more likely they are to dismiss a real attack as something normal. Teach them to report things. 08:40 <@rattle> Let security analysts be security analysts, and users be users. Don't expect users to suddenly become security analysts. 08:43 <@rattle> Another good thing to drill. Any unexpected communication telling you that you need to take immediate action of some type is probably bullshit. Always find a secondary way of verifying. 08:43 < aestetix> basically what I want 08:44 < aestetix> is three simple things to check if they are uncertain about a mail 08:44 < aestetix> something like "is the sender address the real address" 08:44 < aestetix> I had to deal with a "email got hacked" this morning where the name was right, but the sender was an AOL account 08:44 < aestetix> that kind of crap 08:48 <@rattle> I typically run things really aggressive on the secops side. I make it clear to folks we don't have an issue vetting a communication and we don't mind false reports, and encourage them to report anything weird. Drill points like not falling unto urgency traps, never open docs or links from any unexpected communication, etc.. 08:48 < aestetix> yeah 08:48 < aestetix> I think I have to set some rules soon 08:48 < aestetix> like "don't open attachments, period" 08:48 <@rattle> Focus on teaching them how not to be tricked, not how to be an analyst. I can't stress that enough.. 08:49 < aestetix> do you have a talk online about it? 08:49 <@Evilpig> that might work best teaching it beside a white panel van with some free candy 08:49 < aestetix> I can't find your phreaknic talk 08:49 < aestetix> haha 08:50 <@rattle> And be as generic as possible about terms.. Like don't focus everything on email. Voice it in a way where it could apply to email, instant messages, linkedin, etc.. 08:50 <@rattle> I don't think any of my opsec talks are available online. 08:50 < aestetix> damnit 08:51 <@rattle> How fucking opsec savvy would it be if it was? 08:51 < aestetix> well it was at phreaknic, I assume there is a video somewhere 08:51 <@rattle> I think the past phreaknic talk I did was all APT focused. 08:51 <@rattle> In which case, it's not what you're looking for. 08:51 < aestetix> ok 08:52 < aestetix> basically, it sounds like the best approach is "If it looks strange or you're not 100%, report it" 08:52 <@rattle> I'm pretty sure none of the opsec talks I've given are online anywhere. 08:52 <@rattle> YES. 08:52 <@rattle> That is the key thing you want to get across. 08:53 < aestetix> and the bit about not opening email attachments 08:53 <@rattle> Can't emphasize it enough. You want reports of strangeness. 08:53 <@rattle> It's a bitch of a workload, but if you want to be effective, that's how you gotta play it. 08:53 < aestetix> well the issue is that one missed email pwns the whole place 08:54 <@rattle> If you get the right culture in place, you wind up having to vet enough communications for it to be a measurable workload.. But it shouldn't break your back. 08:55 <@rattle> You will find enlightenment once you successfully turn your users into your most effective detective control. 08:57 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: I can't speak for past years, but in recent years speakers have had the option of not having their talk recorded. We've had about one talk a year since I've been going, which the speaker didn't want public for various reasons. 08:57 < aestetix> oh ok 08:57 < _NSAKEY> Well, public as in recorded and shared with the world on youtube. 08:58 < aestetix> on a related note 08:58 < aestetix> I wonder when the github hack will happen 08:58 < _NSAKEY> We even recorded one for PN19, but when the speaker realized that, we were asked to not publish. 08:58 < _NSAKEY> It was based on university research that hadn't been approved for publication, and they didn't want to go through the red tape. 08:58 < aestetix> Github is long overdue for being hacked. 09:05 <@rattle> I wish PhreakNIC didn't loose the video for my talk about threats on security researchers. I aired a lot of dirty laundry in that talk that I rarely mentioned elsewhere. 09:06 <@rattle> It was the right forum to give a talk I wouldn't give elsewhere, and total video #fail. 09:06 < K`Tetch> :-( 09:07 < _NSAKEY> rattle: Which year? 09:07 < _NSAKEY> Was that the Tesla coil year? 09:09 <@rattle> I'm pretty sure I opened for the fusion reactor the year I did the APT talk, that was more like 2009.. I'm guessing the security research talk was 2007? 09:09 <@rattle> Long freaking time ago.. 09:10 < aestetix> btw 09:10 < aestetix> what did you guys think of the Maddow "scoop" on Trump's tax returns 09:16 < _NSAKEY> rattle: So this was a more generic failure than "Some asshat fried all of the AV gear." 09:17 <@rattle> I didn't even pay attention to it. Had an instinct it was crap. 09:18 < aestetix> It really was. 09:18 < aestetix> I regret watching it for the 20 minutes I did. 09:18 <@rattle> _NSAKEY: Something like that. It was mid-day, and I think everyone just assumed the recorder was working when it wasn't. 09:19 < _NSAKEY> rattle: I averted something like that at PN19. The volunteer who was set to turn the camera on for a talk no showed, and it only got recorded because I randomly wandered into the room and saw that the camera wasn't on. 09:19 < aestetix> When did liberals get so bad? 09:20 < aestetix> I don't remember them being this zealous in 2000 09:20 < aestetix> Hell, even in 2008. 09:20 < aestetix> I wonder if having Obama in office went to their heads. 09:20 <@rattle> They've always been bad. The liberals, the conservatives, all of them. All of us. Horrible. Horrible people. Sad. 09:21 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: rattle makes a good point. People are generally shit, and it's like you're just realizing it. 09:21 < aestetix> Yeah, but at least there could be an effort to maintain a veneer of not being shitty. 09:21 <@rattle> Trump sorta lifted that away. 09:21 < _NSAKEY> Yup. Decorum isn't fashionable anymore. 09:21 <@rattle> It's why we can't have nice things anymore. 09:21 < aestetix> Like, that veneer helped me maintain sanity. 09:22 < aestetix> And I would argue it helped everyone maintain some balance. 09:23 <@rattle> I'll repeat exactly what I said election night. The electorate decided that it wanted to smash the system with a sledgehammer. It will get what it asked for. 09:24 -!- dasunt [~dasunt@unaffiliated/dasunt] has joined #se2600 09:25 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dasunt] by ChanServ 09:27 < aestetix> I was at the doctor's office the other day. There was a copy of the New Yorker (in english) from march 2016 09:27 < aestetix> it was amusing reading the editorials warning that Trump could get the GOP nomination 09:28 <@dasunt> aestetix: LOL. 09:29 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Have you read much about the late Roman republic? 09:29 <@dasunt> I was reading something by Matt Groening about the skit of Lisa's future where she's president, and they mention a Trump presidency. Groening said it was the most absurd president he could think of. 09:29 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: funny you bring that up 09:29 < aestetix> I have Gibbon on my shelf, was debating reading it 09:29 <@dasunt> Have you guys seen the big list of reasons why the Roman Empire fell? 09:30 < _NSAKEY> They had things like fist fights in the senate house, and armed guards at polling stations. 09:30 < _NSAKEY> Also, bribery was pretty much required, and didn't always lead to winning. 09:30 <@dasunt> http://courses.washington.edu/rome250/gallery/ROME%20250/210%20Reasons.htm 09:30 < aestetix> well I think the US and Europe are having the same issue. The population scope has gotten so big that the word "American" and "European" mean nothing 09:30 < PigBot> Title: 1 (at courses.washington.edu) http://tinyurl.com/h85lx5b 09:31 <@dasunt> _NSAKEY: We had a caning in the Senate around 150 years ago. We're still around. 09:31 < _NSAKEY> The armed guards, by the way, weren't there for peace-keeping reasons. They were members of one faction (Or mercenaries hired by them) used for intimidation purposes. 09:31 < _NSAKEY> Keep in mind, swords were banned within the Rome city limits, yet these guys were walking around with swords. 09:31 < _NSAKEY> dasunt: We also had a president who participated in duels before taking office. 09:32 <@dasunt> https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/The_Caning_of_Senator_Charles_Sumner.htm 09:32 < PigBot> Title: 1851: Caning of Senator Charles Sumner -- May 22, 1856 (at www.senate.gov) http://tinyurl.com/nodpa8r 09:32 < aestetix> Jackson, right? 09:32 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Yup. 09:32 <@dasunt> Jackson's wife was also technically a bigamist. 09:32 < aestetix> I would love to see duels come back 09:32 <@rattle> https://i.imgflip.com/1liqnu.jpg 09:32 < aestetix> Imagine if some SJW accuses you of being racist, and you challenge them to a duel 09:33 < aestetix> hah 09:33 <@dasunt> LOL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislative_violence#United_States 09:33 < PigBot> Title: Legislative violence - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/jns7eln 09:33 < aestetix> rattle: I do think if I read Gibbon I'd be able to speak with some authority 09:33 <@dasunt> aestetix: IIRC, the whole dueling was popular, but so harmful that the ruling class repeatedly tried to outlaw it. 09:34 <@dasunt> Er, whole dueling thing. 09:34 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Fewer SJWS, so overall a win? 09:34 <@dasunt> Or fewer racists. :p 09:34 < aestetix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_History_of_the_Decline_and_Fall_of_the_Roman_Empire <-- gibbon 09:34 < PigBot> Title: The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/cuaefo6 09:35 < _NSAKEY> dasunt: Either way, we all win as long as we can watch. 09:35 <@rattle> aestetix: Too late. You can't say you were into it before it was cool. 09:36 < aestetix> oh well 09:36 <@rattle> And I think we've firmly established that Howe-Strauss generational theory is the hip thing right now. 09:37 <@dasunt> I think I've seen that in /r/badhistory lately 09:39 <@dasunt> IMO, the Howe-Strauss theory reads like a horoscope. 09:39 < aestetix> I view it as an interesting theory that probably helps more than it hurts 09:59 < dfused> why do ppl think that moving to canada is a solution 10:00 < _NSAKEY> dfused: Because Canada couldn't possibly have its own politicians who, in a perfect world, would have trouble getting a job at McDonald's? 10:01 <@dasunt> dfused: In a way, it is a solution. 10:02 < dfused> I just cant understand how , if trump is gonna destroy everything, enviro, economy, politics, etc, then... how is canada the parachute? seems to me that there is no where to really run. 10:02 <@dasunt> At least Canada has a healthcare system that is vastly more efficient than the US's. 10:02 <@dasunt> If Trump destroys everything, the US will drag the rest of the world down with it. If Trump just makes the US a very nasty place to live, then Canada looks charming. 10:03 < dfused> you think the shit wont roll over into canada? 10:04 <@dasunt> Depends on how far Trump goes. 10:05 < dfused> heh...3 months in and EPA is cut, rates rise, CBP, health insurance, allowing CIA to drone strike again w/o pentagon approval, etc etc etc..... 10:08 <@dasunt> Well, part of that isn't really trump (rates), and Canada does provide some protection for health insurance and the environment. Plus the CBC ain't half bad. 10:16 < dfused> hey if he can claim all the jobs, then the rates are on him too. =P 10:18 < dfused> I just hope that we can handle 4 years and correct course next term. I think there will be a much higher turnout next election..... I hope... but us americans get complacent so easy. 10:19 < dfused> Elon Musk for president.... Bill Nye VP 10:40 < TheDukh> president who doesn't wear a tie, and bow tie VP. what would the world do? 10:41 < dfused> getting rid of ties is long overdue. 10:42 < xray> oh yes 10:42 < dfused> but hell, the good nbews would be that it shoudl only take a few years to figureout how to get the hell away from oil 10:43 < TheDukh> I'm seriously watching how Musk's solar deal in Australia is going to go 10:43 < dfused> solar shingles has me giddy 10:46 < TheDukh> looking at building, and we would def. go that route if it factors in favorably 10:46 < xray> but will they be available and affordable by the time I need a new roof 10:47 < xray> seeing as I need a new roof now 10:47 < xray> might make it a few more years at best 10:47 < dfused> tar 10:47 < dfused> lol 10:48 < TheDukh> http://www.solarcity.com/residential/solar-roof 10:48 < PigBot> Title: Our solar roof has integrated solar you can’t see | SolarCity (at www.solarcity.com) http://tinyurl.com/jz65qgy 10:49 < dfused> yeah...they are great power and sexy as hell 10:50 < xray> So far it is vapor ware 10:51 < xray> I suspect I will have a flying car before they ship solar roofs 10:51 < xray> meaning "not any time soon" 10:51 < xray> don't hold your breath 10:52 <@rhia> sol1d, they don't actually mean that "production begins in mid 2017"? (as per the link) 10:53 <@rhia> sol1d, damnit 10:53 < sol1d> hello? 10:53 <@rhia> stupid autocorrect on the post, not showing up when typing - grr 10:53 < K`Tetch> 11:19:46 dfused Elon Musk for president.... Bill Nye VP <-- doble shudder 10:53 < K`Tetch> *double 10:53 < aestetix> K`Tetch: could be worse. Imagine Peter Thiel 10:54 < K`Tetch> Thiel is one reason I've not been writign for Techdirt at present 10:54 < aestetix> oh? 10:54 < K`Tetch> he's funding a suit against them at present 10:54 < K`Tetch> ayoduri or whatever his name is 10:55 < K`Tetch> fran dresher's [ex?] husband 10:55 < aestetix> Why can't he sue someone that needs to go away like infowars 10:55 < K`Tetch> claims he invented email in 79 10:55 < sol1d> them pine zerodays 10:56 < dfused> lo 10:56 < dfused> l 10:56 < K`Tetch> https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170111/11440836465/techdirts-first-amendment-fight-life.shtml 10:56 < PigBot> Title: Techdirts First Amendment Fight For Its Life | Techdirt (at www.techdirt.com) http://tinyurl.com/zk973th 10:57 < dfused> rhia: I dont know if it'll happen... but hell, these days Elon is about the only thing I have to be optimistic about anymore. 10:57 < K`Tetch> but Musk has a bunch of actions in his history that makes me... nervous 10:57 < K`Tetch> and I've worked with Nye, wasn't impressed 10:58 < dfused> K`Tetch: ok, how about Neil degrass tyson.. ; and I'm not worried about elon, I mean, google was always do no evil, and see they always stayed that way.... -.- 10:58 < K`Tetch> he's an engineer/scientist the way kellyanne conway is a lawyer - sure they may have the qualifications, but they've spent years honing their tallents to be PR people on topics, rather than experts 10:59 <@rhia> K`Tetch, the role of the US VP has been reduced to assassination insurance first anyway 10:59 < K`Tetch> elon - paypal... 10:59 < aestetix> dfused: I was about to say that putting Tyson in office would remove any ability to govern as requirement for office, but that has clearly already vanished 11:00 < K`Tetch> when USnwes asked me about my thoughts on candidates back in early november, they floated Snowdon to me, but I think Lessig would be good, with Snowdon as VP 11:01 < aestetix> Is there a constitutional requirement that the POTUS be a living being? 11:01 < dfused> nah...snowden is a great mouthpeice fro whats wrong... but I dont think he has answers 11:01 < aestetix> Because if not, I think the inanimate carbon rod would be a great candidate 11:01 < K`Tetch> yes there is 11:02 < K`Tetch> has to be born a us citizen 11:02 < K`Tetch> and keep residency 11:02 < aestetix> what if the carbon rod is made in the US? 11:02 < aestetix> if it was made in the US 36 years ago 11:02 < K`Tetch> that and 35 years old are the ONLY requirements for president 11:02 < K`Tetch> not citizenship 11:03 < aestetix> so get some state to issue it an ID 11:03 < K`Tetch> https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-10-26/americas-pirates-far-from-electoral-booty-but-dream-of-edward-snowden-as-president-or-first-mate <-- peice about snowden for president 11:03 < PigBot> Couldn't snarf url: HTTP Error 403: Forbidden. http://tinyurl.com/goqmrgc 11:04 < sol1d> python bot needs updating 11:13 -!- ^020d [~^020d@c-73-7-0-87.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 11:38 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:49 -!- fie [~fie@185.183.104.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:53 <@dasunt> Musk would pledge to get the US 100% off of oil in one year, but it would take 4 years. 11:53 <@dasunt> :p 11:53 < dfused> better than our current situation. 12:02 -!- fie [~fie@185.183.104.83] has joined #se2600 14:12 < frsilent> anybody still keep in touch with henry strickland? 14:15 < K`Tetch> of strickland propane? 14:18 <@Dagmar> Is that Strick's name? 14:18 <@Dagmar> I've just gotten used to him magically *appearing* at least once a year 14:18 < frsilent> yeah the Yak guys; was wondering if he was still at google 14:18 <@Dagmar> Go to some random place. Walk around outside for a bit. 14:18 <@Dagmar> He may appear. 14:18 < frsilent> last I saw him was dragoncon ~2012-ish? 14:18 < frsilent> lmao 14:23 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@noranti.in.the.narro.ws] has joined #se2600 14:23 -!- brimstone is now known as Guest59494 14:24 -!- Guest59494 [~brimstone@noranti.in.the.narro.ws] has quit [Changing host] 14:24 -!- Guest59494 [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has joined #se2600 14:24 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Guest59494] by ChanServ 14:24 -!- Guest59494 is now known as brimstone 14:46 <@benthemeek> He was at PhreakNIC last year 14:47 <@benthemeek> Was playing with this giant wire to send ultra low frequency waves around the world or something 14:47 <@benthemeek> He stretched some kind a giant wire up between the balconies at the Clarion 15:24 < dfused> hrm.... the neighborhood just got a bit more interesting. adult panther roaming around. 15:31 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@50-207-140-34-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: benthemeek] 15:35 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@50-207-140-34-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #se2600 15:35 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o benthemeek] by ChanServ 15:40 < ^020d> fused: What country? 15:43 < dfused> us 15:43 -!- vaneck [~vaneck@section9.vaneckzero.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:43 <@dasunt> "The shooting was an 'act of madness by an unstable young man fascinated by weapons'" <- Translation: Shooter was white. 15:45 < ^020d> The horrible effects of reading Camus and pondering free will. 15:46 -!- vaneck [~vaneck@section9.vaneckzero.com] has joined #se2600 15:46 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o vaneck] by ChanServ 15:47 <@dasunt> Camus. :( 15:48 < ^020d> dfused: did not know they had panthers around here... 15:48 <@dasunt> Actually I haven't read Camus. I should try one day. 15:48 < dfused> s.c. they are rare but they are here 15:48 < ^020d> "Hmmm... but if I DON'T kill someone, how will I know I have free will? Oh what's the point of everything??" - Camus abridged. 15:48 < dfused> here, ga and fl 15:50 * ^020d hopes nobody figures out he TOO did not read Camus... 15:50 <@dasunt> LOL: http://www.theonion.com/article/report-you-learn-names-3-reprehensible-public-offi-55530 15:50 < PigBot> Title: Report: You To Learn Names Of 3 Reprehensible Public Officials This Week - The Onion - America's Finest News Source (at www.theonion.com) http://tinyurl.com/n825sol 15:50 * ^020d shifts his eyes back and forth shiftily 15:50 <@dasunt> Does someone have a reading list of classic books to read that aren't recommended just because they are pretentious? 15:51 < ^020d> I DID read Crime and Punishment though... it's... much the same as Camus actually... 15:51 < dfused> sadly last book i read was the martian 15:52 < ^020d> "I'm so freaking smart! I could get away with murder! And it wouldn't even be WRONG cuz I'm so damn smart! They'll never catch me... MUAHAHA" - Crime and Punishment Abridged. 15:53 < ^020d> I seem to find the books where smart people go nuts and kill for no reason... cuz... they do that. 15:54 < ^020d> You could hit up project Gutenberg... lots of great classics on there 15:54 <@dasunt> What if I want to read books where people go nuts but they have good reasons for killing? 15:54 < dfused> charles bronson in book form? lol 15:55 < ^020d> All Quiet on the Western Front? 15:56 < ^020d> Something written by an American Indian brave who fought back? 15:57 < ^020d> There's that Armenian dude who revenged a million of his people when he found the guy who was responsible somewhere in the US years later and capped him. 15:57 < ^020d> Jury let him off. 15:57 <@dasunt> Who was this? Sounds interesting. 15:57 < ^020d> Just look up Armenian Genocide 15:58 < ^020d> It was before the Holocaust... Hitler said "Nobody cared about the Armenians, they won't care about the Jews" 15:58 < ^020d> Dang, 3 genocides in 4 lines, I'm dark today. 15:58 < ^020d> Read some Victor Hugo! 15:58 < ^020d> The Man who Laughs... lead to the Joker character... 15:59 < ^020d> Scarlett Pimpernel lead to Batman... 15:59 < dfused> damn.... I'm uneducated. 15:59 < ^020d> Written by a woman no less 15:59 < ^020d> If you wanna make lady friends read Jane Austen 16:01 < ^020d> Anyone going to DC404 this Sat? 16:03 < ^020d> Could read the Count of Monte Cristo, or just see the movie 👍🏼 'bout a guy who ends up in jail and gets educated! (The good way) 16:03 < ^020d> There's pirates! 😎 16:05 < ^020d> 1982 Scarlett Pimpernel has Gandalf in it. 16:05 < dfused> The Stolen Village was a good read 16:06 < ^020d> Alright, about 75 years til the copyright expires and I can read it. *calendar marked* 16:07 <@Dagmar> *ahem*. Undernet. #bookz 16:09 * ^020d gets shifty eyes again 16:09 <@Dagmar> Come now. Listeners aren't spaghetti. They're http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/7lcAAOxydINSXT8T/s-l300.jpg 16:14 * dasunt ponders. 16:14 * dfused farts 16:15 < dfused> ugh.....damn broccoli 16:16 < ^020d> Someone's bored 16:19 < dfused> ...when you're so mentally tired that u watch someelse playing a game (twitch) 16:21 < ^020d> No Ana Karenina for you today then... 16:22 < ^020d> (It's really long and boring, seriously... I have to finish things once I start them, and this... I should have not started) 16:22 < dfused> lol 16:22 < ^020d> Never thought I'd learn so much about 1800's Russian sharecropping 16:24 < dfused> i keep finding myself where someone tells me something (history/education/etc) and I'm like...hrm...i did not know that... only to find that hours later I think back on it and realize...wait, I actually did know that. wtf happened to my brain 16:25 < dfused> its like all my good knowledge has been moved to tape storage. and all I got now is useless shit in teh drives 16:26 < ^020d> Eh it's no race. By the time you get stuff figured out you're too old and nobody wants to hear it. 16:26 < ^020d> Just hurry up and die grandpa so we can ask the same stupid questions and ignore the same answers you did. 16:27 < dfused> and trying to explain why what they are bitching about doesnt see bigger picture or long term.... they just glass over. 16:39 < ^020d> It's easier if you have one thing to be angry about or to person to blame 17:00 <@dasunt> Hence why Trump got elected. 17:13 < _NSAKEY> ^020d: I watched The Man Who Laughs once for that very reason. 17:14 < ^020d> This one? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/94/The-Man-Who-Laughs-(1928)-Gwynplaine.png 17:14 < PigBot> Couldn't snarf url: HTTP Error 404: Not Found. http://tinyurl.com/lbru7fw 17:15 < ^020d> Parenthesis messing up the bot's parser 17:15 < xray> Oh that's not creepy at all :( 17:16 < ^020d> I started reading that a while back, and it went on and on about gypsies and I wasn't sure if I downloaded the wrong thing or what 17:16 < _NSAKEY> Yup. 17:17 < ^020d> It's like when you read that old Sherlock Holmes story and it's all about mormons living in Utah and like... whaaaaaa?? 17:17 < _NSAKEY> I don't remember much about it, and only watched it because of the Joker connection. 17:17 < ^020d> 200 pages later the story you came for shows up 17:18 < _NSAKEY> That happened in RA Salvatore's books. He did one that focused on a backstory that wasn't relevant to any of the main characters until the last 90% of the book or so. 17:18 < _NSAKEY> Once I got through it, the payoff made sense, but didn't feel totally worth it. 17:20 < dfused> had a gf like that once 17:20 < _NSAKEY> Hahaha. 17:20 < ^020d> Like that photo? 17:21 < ^020d> Longer hair I hope 17:21 < dfused> no no....managed to amke ti through it....but didnt feel totally worth it 17:22 < ^020d> Someone totally needs to put some hair and makeup on that gif 17:28 < ^020d> Nevermind... http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CSSXnKF0jbo/UvLkeCLmYZI/AAAAAAAAJ1s/vJABVlUXy3Y/s1600/hot2.jpg 17:30 -!- overfien [~overfien@64.120.16.197] has joined #se2600 18:16 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@50-207-140-34-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: benthemeek] 19:59 -!- overfien [~overfien@64.120.16.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:22 -!- remoford [~remo_lapt@c-68-52-35-32.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 22:37 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:5920:794:ebfe:b73c] has quit [] 23:13 < frsilent> _NSAKEY: I think I might actually know the one you're talking about; been probably 15yrs but was it the book that mostly followed the human assassin (Er...whatever) then drizzt shows up in the end? 23:16 < frsilent> most of my reading these days is shit that I would have imagined painfully boring 10 years ago 23:25 -!- remoford1 [~remo_lapt@c-68-52-35-32.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 23:26 -!- remoford [~remo_lapt@c-68-52-35-32.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:48 < _NSAKEY> frsilent: It was the book that mostly dealt with the build-up to Wulgar getting accused of rape. 23:49 < _NSAKEY> There was all this ink devoted to world-building that area before he traveled to it and became a patsy. 23:50 < frsilent> spine of the world maybe? 23:51 < frsilent> I was thinking of the one book that just follows the human assassin forever 23:51 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, that one. 23:51 < frsilent> idk... those books I don't think I could read again these days 23:51 < _NSAKEY> No, the books that focus on Artemis and Jarlaxle were fun for me. 23:51 < frsilent> even when I read them I remember thinking they were kind of bland in their writing style 23:51 < _NSAKEY> Spine of the World was just Wulgar being an emo bitch and world building that didn't become relevant until the end. 23:52 < frsilent> but then again I'm a Robert Jordan fan so take that for what it is lol 23:52 < _NSAKEY> I stopped at the book where the orcs rose up, and it had gotten a bit better by then. 23:53 < _NSAKEY> The earlier books were super bland though. 23:54 < frsilent> I got the same sense when I read the twilight book (I did it because the gf at the time told me to just 'give it a try' & I've always read a shit ton) 23:55 < frsilent> it was like jumping from node to node of a story without sufficient weight on the edges 23:56 < frsilent> ie talking about these deeply evoked emotions... while completely ignoring any build-up or descriptive detail to bring those emotions to life 23:56 < _NSAKEY> Have you ever given George R R Martin a try? 23:56 < frsilent> I ordered the set when I was in afg 7 years ago & never got them back from my mom lol 23:57 < _NSAKEY> Heh. 23:57 < frsilent> lately most of my reading hasn't really been fantasy though other than Eisenhorn about a year ago (fucking awesome series for space opera, wh40k) 23:58 < _NSAKEY> He tends to write a LOT, but he does things like make someone's rambling thoughts a hint at a massive spoiler that hasn't been published in the books yet, but has been on the show. 23:58 < frsilent> a lot of classics to revisit & see if I can appreciate them more now that I'm older; hemingway still sucks but I like konrad now, then a ton of ds/algo/self-helpy-engineering 23:58 < _NSAKEY> That was in the first book. 23:59 < _NSAKEY> There's also some deal-making that happens later in the books, and because of the POV style, the reader gets treated to understanding how some people think said deal is smart, while others see it as a sign of stupidity. 23:59 < frsilent> ah gotcha, I only ever saw the first season of the tv show & read the first book when I was in hs ~2001 maybe 23:59 < frsilent> so probably worth revisiting --- Log closed Fri Mar 17 00:00:31 2017