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07:03 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:09 < xray> http://reason.com/blog/2017/03/01/moral-outrage-is-self-serving
07:09 < PigBot> Title: Moral Outrage Is Self-Serving, Say Psychologists - Hit & Run : Reason.com (at reason.com) http://tinyurl.com/j8ma4ss
07:14  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:20 <@Evilpig> gotta remember to call gamestop when they open at 10 and see if I can pick my switch up at midnight.
07:27 < aestetix> ok so you all know the joke
07:27 < aestetix> how much does a hipster weigh?
07:28 < aestetix> an instagram
07:28 <@Dolemite> Light enough to stuff him in a dumpster?
07:28 < aestetix> I tried to tell that joke to colleagues
07:28 <@Dolemite> Ah
07:28 <@Dolemite> heh
07:28 < aestetix> and had to spend the next ten minutes explaining it
07:28 < aestetix> because none of them are native english speakers
07:30 < aestetix> "what do you mean "way"?
07:30 < aestetix> and then explaining "gram, kilogram, instagram"
07:30 < aestetix> "ohhh hah that's funny"
07:30 < aestetix> so trust me, the idea that everyone speaks great english is a myth
07:31 <@Dolemite> Change it to "What is the weight of a hipster?" and they might understand it better
07:32 < aestetix> the french might, the germans I dunno
07:32 <@Dolemite> Although there is still a homonym for weight (wait), it makes less sense than the weigh/way/whey homonyms.
07:33 < dfused> dont call em homos ...thats offensive.
07:33 <@Dolemite> The Russians made me do it
07:33 < dfused>  but you swore you didnt talk with the russians!
07:35 < dfused> i suppose its ok. we'll put you in charge of a committee to investigate recent acusations of ppl talking to them and being directed by them..... since you have exp
07:36 <@Dolemite> Yesssssss.  Very good.   Er, I mean, I have no experience with the Russians.
07:39 < aestetix> ok is anyone here a mysql admin guru?
07:40 < frsilent> in what sense? actual queries or indexing/ctes/migrations?
07:40 <@Dolemite> I'm pretty familiar with it, but I don't know that I'd consider myself a guru.  However, ask your question.
07:40 < dfused> what the actual fuck.   trying to find a beatles song on youtube....
07:40 <@Evilpig> he's correct that is a broad topic
07:41 < aestetix> in the sense that I keep seeing groups of commits all happening at once and triggering a bunch of locks
07:41 <@Evilpig> dfused: stop looking for that and look for joe walsh - i like big tips
07:41 < aestetix> and trying to figure out if it's something that can be fixed by a database setting or if the code needs to be modified
07:41 < aestetix> so it's something strange happening with the way it handles transations
07:42 < dfused> @Evilpig : I was trying to find Good Morning ... been stuck in my haead
07:42 <@Evilpig> this will be better
07:42 <@Dolemite> aestetix: What's the table type?
07:42 < aestetix> innodb of course
07:43 <@Dolemite> Just checking.  Some folks don't realize that only InnoDB supports row level locking.
07:43 < aestetix> lol
07:43 < aestetix> I have a mysql 5.5 replication to percona 5.6
07:44 < aestetix> but that's supported
07:44 < aestetix> I'm kind of wondering if I just upgrade the 5.5 to 5.6 if the issue will go aweay
08:29 < dfused> body movin. body movin. we be body movin.
08:51 < K`Tetch> dfused - be surprised if you found any beatles, they're VERY harsh about protecting them from youtube iirc
08:51 < dfused> didnt find shit.  had to go to my own stash.
08:51 < dfused> i blame yoko
08:51 < K`Tetch> (that said, I avoid beatles like you wouldn't believe - 7 years of being asked by japanese tourists has given me 'beatlesphobia'
08:51 < dfused> lol
08:52 <@rattle> What unit of measure do you use to measure hipsters?  Instagrams.
08:52 < K`Tetch> (I went to school about 300 yards from penny lane, got the bus home at Sgt Pepper
08:57 < dfused> pepper was fav IMO... but thats just cause memories
08:58 < K`Tetch> I'd much rather listen to ELO or hawkwind
08:58 < K`Tetch> wife's a monkees fan
08:58 < dfused> haha... used to love watching their show
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09:08 < aestetix> so how long until aws puts out a postmortem for the s3 issue
09:08 <@Evilpig> never
09:08 <@Evilpig> they don't have to tell you what happened
09:08 < dfused> aestetix: you just fucking asked that.  ....you getting dementia?
09:09 < aestetix> I did?
09:09 < aestetix> lol
09:09 < dfused> wel...its either that or I'm precog
09:10 <@Evilpig> you asked yesterday
09:10 < dfused> close enough.
09:14 < dfused> lol  too easy to get all sideways with youtube music vids.   started with trying to find beatles, ...ended up via billy idol, til tuesday, black sabbath, and now rage against th emachine.... and the volume just keeps getting louder. fuck the neighbors.
09:14 <@Evilpig> and still no joe walsh?
09:14 < dfused> yeah yeah i did
09:23 < K`Tetch> I've been playing tangerine dream live concerts the last few days
09:23 < K`Tetch> problem is time lies that way - thought it was on for 10 mins, had been 45
09:24 <@Evilpig> i'm debating between legion and the magicians right now.
09:24 <@Evilpig> also have the expanse on deck
09:25 < K`Tetch> I'm reading the expanse atm
09:25 < aestetix> http://www.therebel.media/lauren_southern_becomes_a_man
09:26 < PigBot> Title: Lauren Southern Becomes a Man! - The Rebel (at www.therebel.media) http://tinyurl.com/z64k6o9
09:26 < aestetix> this is hilarious
09:26 < dfused> the magicians was ok.  quirky teen/college angsty kinda show, but was still ok to watch.
09:27 <@Dolemite> The Expanse is fantastic
09:28 <@Dolemite> The TV Show, that is.  I may seek out the books and try them as well.
09:28 < aestetix> this is one of the better protests against stupid government things I've seen
09:28 < dfused> can I see it on netflix?
09:28 <@Dolemite> dfused: Dunno.
09:29 < dfused> prolly have to get from amazon ... I'll check on it.
09:29 < aestetix> this is what happens when SJWs get into government and pass laws
09:29 <@Dolemite> Or you could watch it on Plex
09:29 < aestetix> I am so happy I don't live in canada
09:30 < dfused> oh eat a bag o dicks netflix. .... search fro teh expanse and the autopopulate shows it as if" oh yeah we know that show here you go" ... only to get shown "heres a bunch of shows that are like that.
09:32 < dfused> hrm. i can watch S1 on prime.  S2 is pay
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09:33 < dfused> on an unrelated note.  looking for suggestions for learning python.  suggested books/website/online classes etc.
09:37 < frsilent> Fluent Python
09:38 < frsilent> python reads like pseudocode and the more important part of "learning" it is learning how to make things pythonic
09:38 < frsilent> https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0020/
09:38 < PigBot> Title: PEP 20 -- The Zen of Python | Python.org (at www.python.org) http://tinyurl.com/myarqhv
09:39 < dfused> awesome ty
09:45 < dasunt> You can *lease* pets.  WTF?
09:45 < dasunt> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-03-01/i-m-renting-a-dog
09:45 < PigBot> Title: I’m Renting a Dog? - Bloomberg (at www.bloomberg.com) http://tinyurl.com/h2pax3u
09:47 < dasunt> I'll note that the people in the article are remarkably not pissed at the $2000+ price for a pet store dog, but at the fees afterwards.
09:49 < dasunt> Quote from that article:  "help subprime borrowers finance purebred pets".
09:50 < dfused> so I should start a kickstarter to help me rent pets... lol
09:51 < dasunt> dfused: Are you a subprime borrower?  If so, apparently you should be spending thousands on a purebred.
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09:52 < dfused> I'm sure I've been called subprime.... but I doubt it had anything to do with money.
09:52 < dasunt> "We like niches where we're dealing with emotional borrowers."
09:52 < dasunt> ^- That's how you end up against the wall when the revolution comes.
09:54 < dasunt> "explored lease financing for funerals".
09:54 < dasunt> Wow, this whole article is painting a picture for a dystopic Randian world.
09:59 < _NSAKEY> dasunt: What the hell am I reading?
09:59 < _NSAKEY> “When I take a good hard look at what the world will be like in 10 years, I think most things are going to be on lease,” said Dusty Wunderlich, chief executive officer of Bristlecone Holdings LLC, the Reno, Nevada-based company that operates Wags Lending.
09:59 < _NSAKEY> I'm pretty sure some disgruntled "customer" will have firebombed his house and made sure he didn't escape long before then.
10:00 < dasunt> _NSAKEY: You are reading an article that gets more and more disturbing as it goes on.  Have you hit the part about how he avoided usury laws?
10:01 < _NSAKEY> No, but I already feel like this guy deserves a dick punch with a pair of sap gloves.
10:01 < _NSAKEY> Up until about a year ago I was in the repo business, so I instinctively hate people like this guy.
10:01 < _NSAKEY> If/when the revolution comes, they should be the first to be brutally murdered.
10:02 < dasunt> They will be.
10:02 < _NSAKEY> I got to the "emotional borrowers" part when I typed the above.
10:03 < _NSAKEY> "Emotional borrowers" is something I never wanted to deal with. I'm guessing this pussy doesn't actually go out and take the collateral back.
10:05 < _NSAKEY> So basically, he's a rent-a-center for pets. Got it.
10:05 < _NSAKEY> (Just got to the usury dodge.)
10:08 < _NSAKEY> Although, to be fair, the people actually paying these prices are so stupid that they almost deserve to get hosed.
10:08 < _NSAKEY> $2,000 for a purebred lab. Just, wow.
10:09 < dasunt> Something like < $400 for my purebred at the local shelter.  Includes vaccinations, spaying, etc.
10:10 < _NSAKEY> I paid $200 for a lab puppy with papers back in 2005 or so. She was a great dog.
10:11 < dasunt> Also, a "chiweenie":  https://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/37439145
10:11 < PigBot> Title: Meet Dixie, a Petfinder adoptable Chihuahua Dog | Oakdale, MN (at www.petfinder.com) http://tinyurl.com/zuec2zp
10:12 < _NSAKEY> dasunt: These are also the kind of people who would think petfinder is magic, or a scam, or both.
10:14 < _NSAKEY> dasunt: I'm finding it really hard to feel sorry for anyone involved in that article.
10:14 < _NSAKEY> On the other hand, that guy is a flaming bag of turds who can't be stomped out quickly enough.
10:15 < dasunt> Agreed.  The people getting designer trendy dogs on lease really don't have my sympathy.
10:15 < aestetix> wow that was interesting
10:15 < aestetix> that lauren southern linmk
10:15 < dasunt> But jebus, that guy is up there with those who peddle crack on playgrounds.
10:16 < aestetix> I posted it in another channel, asked a few questions that logically follow, and someone called me a bigot
10:16 < _NSAKEY> I can't think of how many times I interacted with people who were all, "durr hurr I didn't read the contract!!!" even when I knew the lender in question trained their people to spend 30-45 minutes explaining all the gotchas to each customer.
10:17 < dasunt> I'm still amazed at how many people don't do the (very simple) math to figure out how much a loan will actually cost them.
10:17 < dasunt> payment * number_of_payments = total.
10:17 < _NSAKEY> dasunt: In the cases I'm referring to above, it was all but explained to them.
10:18 < _NSAKEY> But these were people who were at the bottom of the barrel, financially.
10:18 < dasunt> I can kinda, sorta, understand people who agree to exploitative contracts to things are are arguably necessities, like transportation or housing.
10:18 < dasunt> But dogs?
10:19 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, it's way too easy to find a dog that will like you. There really are no good guys in this story.
10:19 < dasunt> (I should say some people, with limited opportunities.  It's still possible to be poor and a bloody idiot - e.g. getting a high interest loan on an expensive car)
10:20 < _NSAKEY> Or anything involving title loans. I was kind of hoping for Sanders just because he seemed like the only candidate who would end those once and for all.
10:21 < _NSAKEY> What still sticks with me is that comment about "emotional borrowers."
10:21 < dasunt> I think Sanders would advocate for them, but the system would probably prevent it from happening.
10:22 < _NSAKEY> At the very least, the CFPB would have gotten a shot in the arm. I look for them to get dismantled before my revenge play can work its way through dismantling some companies and ruining some lives.
10:23 < dasunt> LOL.
10:24 < _NSAKEY> I kinda-sorta leaked some stuff that will most likely result in some company-ending fines.
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11:33 <@rattle> Howard Schmidt apparently died..  Not in the news yet.
11:36 < xray> so how did you find out about it then
11:36 < dfused> ....russians....
11:37 < xray> LoL
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11:53 < dfused> aestetix: https://aws.amazon.com/message/41926/
11:53 < PigBot> Title: Summary of the Amazon S3 Service Disruption in the Northern Virginia (US-EAST-1) Region (at aws.amazon.com) http://tinyurl.com/zlyjncp
11:56 <@rattle> Word of mouth in the cyber/intel community.
11:58 <@rattle> Heh.  So the S3 outage came down to a typo.
11:58 <@rattle> Go figure.
12:02 < cyberanger> == != !=
12:15 <@Dagmar> Rockets have been downed by misplaced commas
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12:17 < aestetix> god
12:17 < aestetix> PBS is far and above the best news source right now
12:18 <@Dagmar> I guess it was simpler than firing him
12:18 <@Dagmar> Disagree with Trump, get kill't
12:39 < aestetix> uhhhhhh
12:39 < aestetix> so aws ran a playbook without running it in dry-run mode first
12:45 < cyberanger> Wonder if dry-run would have caught it?
12:47 < aestetix> if it didn't then they need to change their system monitoring
12:47 < aestetix> IE it should display a list of all servers that would be deleted
12:47 < aestetix> as well as a count
12:49 < cyberanger> Agreed, and maybe modify it so certain core servers couldn't be deleted in an automated fashion
12:50 < aestetix> or have the names show up in different colors
13:43 < dfused> hurray!  oral defense for masters done.  phew. now I r graduated. (now to go get fucked up somwhere)
13:44 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ABa4RdNPxU
13:44 < PigBot> Title: An incendiary discussion at Ryerson U - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/j73smbt
14:36 < dasunt> dfused: I see you've taken the sea squirt rote - after the oral defense, you realize you no longer need your brain.  ;)
14:39 < dasunt> s/rote/route
14:41 <@rattle> No matter how bad your day at work might be going, it's not going as bad as this guy's day..  http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/morgue-employee-cremated-by-mistake-while-taking-a-nap/
14:44 < aestetix> "decided to take a nap one a stretcher after"
14:44 < aestetix> do they have no editors?
14:44 <@opticron> they have as many as engadget
14:44 <@opticron> which is also apparently zero
14:47 < _NSAKEY> rattle: Is this an alternative to The Onion?
14:47 < _NSAKEY> The sidebar gives it away, with links to stories like: YOKO ONO: “I HAD AN AFFAIR WITH HILLARY CLINTON IN THE ’70S”
14:48 <@Dagmar> Well, shit
14:48 <@Dagmar> At least it's funny
14:48 < _NSAKEY> Amen to that.
14:49 < _NSAKEY> Also this:
14:49 < _NSAKEY> DONALD TRUMP IS ADDICTED TO PENIS ENLARGEMENT PILLS, CLAIMS HIS EX-WIFE
14:49 < _NSAKEY> Or this, which I just have to read now...
14:49 < _NSAKEY> INDIA: SACRED COW SAVAGELY RAPED BY 27 MEN IN MUMBAI SUBWAY
14:51 < _NSAKEY> This site is what Weekly World News might have become, had it survived this long.
14:52 < dasunt> I looked at that site and thought it was a fake.  So I looked for another story to confirm.  First headline I saw was a Trump official claiming that poverty was genetic.  Hmmmm.
14:53 < dasunt> That sounds like something I could see coming out of Washington.
14:53 < dasunt> (The other headlines gave it away).
15:15 < TheDukh> Bitcoin now worth more than gold
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16:22 <@Dagmar> ...and eventually my ACH order will go through
16:22 <@Dagmar> I'll be happy if I get the thing at the purchase price at the time I put in the order
16:23 < dasunt> Everything's a bubble now.  :p
16:23 < dasunt> Real estate is up, stocks are up, bitcoin is up.
16:23 <@Dagmar> The top executive in the US is a madman and a fool
16:24 <@Dagmar> Everyone knows this is the beginning of a giant clusterfuck
16:24 <@Dagmar> They're doing exactly what i'm doing... evacuating their wealth out of US currency and into something stable
16:25 <@Dagmar> The present madness and market boom will only be able to last a short time and it's probably going to start coming apart before the year's end
16:26 < cyberanger> I've gone a step further, I've gotten my paycheck out of US currency
16:26 <@Dagmar> I'm figuring Bitcoin will hit $2000 before this point next year
16:33 < dasunt> Maybe.
16:33 < dasunt> If I could predict the future, I'd be rich.  :)
16:35 <@rattle> The rise in Bitcoin has more to do with Chinese folks trying to get money out of China, but whatever it is, I'm up like 175% so I could give a shit less.
16:35 < dasunt> I'm actually a tad pissed about the stock market prices, since I'm buying, not selling.
16:36 < dasunt> This rally means that every paycheck, I get less stock for the same amount of money.
16:37  * dasunt shrugs.
16:38 < dasunt> In other news, why am I having difficulty finding a weather radio that has an antenna, takes run of the mill AAA batteries, and doesn't include a crank, flashlight, etc?
16:43 <@Dagmar> because theyr'e so stupidly cheap to make it becomes almost impossible to compete with some shit from Asia
16:44 < dasunt> I guess.
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16:45 <@rattle> Broaden your search.  http://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=H0-009648
16:45 < PigBot> Title: AOR USA AR-MINI-UNBLKD Receivers Handheld, ARMINIUNBLKD (at www.hamradio.com) http://tinyurl.com/hjl5y3l
16:45 < dasunt> I'm trying to find a cheap one that I don't mind getting wrecked.
16:46 < dasunt> Just want something to take up the the BWCA this year.
16:48 <@Dagmar> I have something I got for $25 that is a world-band radio with all kinds of shortwave bands and so forth
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16:49 <@Dagmar> Runs on 4 aaa batteries and mainly, I have used it to demonstrate how lightning is a spark gap generator
16:54 < dasunt> That's kind of what I'm looking for.
16:55 < dasunt> Small & light (since I'll be transporting it about 30 miles using my own muscle power), and it should use AAA (same as my headlamps), and be cheap enough that if it gets swamped in a lake or bashed against some rocks, I'm not sad.
17:08 < dasunt> Maybe this one:  https://www.amazon.com/Midland-Consumer-Weather-Radio-HH50B/dp/B018BH9VBW/
17:08 < PigBot> Title: Amazon.com: Midland Consumer Weather Radio Black (HH50B): Cell Phones & Accessories (at www.amazon.com) http://tinyurl.com/zhxxdzl
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17:53 <@rattle> dasunt: This does AA. http://www.sangean.com/products/product.asp?mid=84
17:53 < PigBot> Title: CL-100 : S.A.M.E. Table-Top Weather Hazard Alert withAM / FM-RBDS Alarm Clock Radio (at www.sangean.com) http://tinyurl.com/jaqeq2m
18:05 < K`Tetch> oh yeah, thats what i keep emaning to look up - a weather radio
18:09 < K`Tetch> Dagmar - you got a link on your $25 one?
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18:28 <@Dagmar> Dude I bought it at a Walgreen's in the discount bin years ago
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19:41 < K`Tetch> ah ok
19:41 < K`Tetch> i used to have a worldband radio, was my grandmothers
19:42 < K`Tetch> amazing how many broadcasts you could pick up in cornwall
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