--- Log opened Tue Feb 28 00:00:03 2017 00:07 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:8c3b:8a8a:454b:6b0c] has quit [] 02:28 < _NSAKEY> Hey, did you guys know this was a thing? http://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/BillInfo/Default.aspx?BillNumber=SB0888 02:28 < PigBot> Title: Tennessee General Assembly » Legislation (at wapp.capitol.tn.gov) http://tinyurl.com/zsnaqth 02:29 < _NSAKEY> Apple and the console makers are crying like children whose toys are being taken away from them and thrown in the dumpster over the fact that similar legislation is making its way through the legislative houses in 7 other states. 06:13 -!- remoford [~remo_lapt@c-68-52-35-32.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 06:26 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 06:26 < xray> o| 06:46 <@Dolemite> Howdy, Cyclops! Why so angry? 06:47 * aestetix hugs Dolemite 06:48 < aestetix> I tell you, you think you know german a bit, and then you get in an elevator with an angry old german man 06:48 < aestetix> by old I mean probably 85 06:48 <@Dolemite> Then he starts talking about Rindfleischetikettierungsueberwachungsaufgabenueb? 06:49 < aestetix> Ja, genau 06:50 <@Dolemite> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7YETRPILaQ 06:50 < PigBot> Title: Inside Japans Tricked-Out DIY Truck Culture - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/zbfzqr4 06:51 <@Dolemite> WANT 07:00 -!- remoford [~remo_lapt@c-68-52-35-32.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:10 < aestetix> here is european culture for you 07:10 < aestetix> I took a sick day yesterday 07:10 < aestetix> now everyone is asking why I'm back after only one day 07:10 < aestetix> which is usually followed by some comment about "oh right, americans..." 07:31 < frsilent> =\ 07:31 < frsilent> Band of Brothers: "All weekend passes revoked!" 07:31 < frsilent> I can't remember the last time I took off work; I'm fairly sure that it was mid-Jan of 2016 07:35 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Was it just a 24 hour bug or something? 07:35 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: pretty much 07:35 < _NSAKEY> I bet they don't believe you. 07:35 < aestetix> lol 07:36 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: the difference is, when a european is sick, like with a cold or something, they take the whole week off 07:36 < cyberanger> They are aware our benefits suck compared to theirs 07:36 < cyberanger> I'm suprised, ours suck compared to China's even. 07:37 < aestetix> american health care is fucking awful 07:37 < aestetix> the only thing that makes it even remotely managable is the FMLA 07:38 < cyberanger> I'd add in some of the College focused parts of the ACA, but pretty much yeah. 07:40 < cyberanger> It was nice to not worry about what the insurance policy was and did it change, will I be too old and dropped this year. 07:41 < cyberanger> From what I've seen, Europe doesn't make a fuss for a doctor's note becuase you were out two or three days. 07:42 < aestetix> correct 07:42 < cyberanger> China does just like us, but seeing a Doctor here is affordable & quick. At least in Beijing (all I can speak for) 07:42 < aestetix> what's funny 07:42 < aestetix> berlin is the most relaxed, by far, city I have ever lived in 07:43 < aestetix> and all my colleagues think it is the most stressful environment they have been in 07:44 < cyberanger> I blame the beer 07:44 < aestetix> they do like their beer 07:45 < cyberanger> Here is a process, but it seems like if you A) take a breath & have paitence or B) are a local whose always lived with these processes they aren't a big deal. 07:46 < cyberanger> Some of the others that came here when I did freaked out about paying rent per quater instead of per month, and having to report our address to the Public Security Buearu within 24 hours 07:48 < cyberanger> I'm just like, "So that's why the relocation bonus seemed a little huge" & "Well, isn't this kind of like the DMV for your licence or ID?" 07:48 < cyberanger> aestetix: I'd say Berlin is better, but Beijing feels like it beats the US too 07:49 < aestetix> I have not been to Beijing so I don't know 07:50 <@Dolemite> cyberanger: How long are you in Beijing? 07:50 <@Dolemite> I had the luxury of going to Beijing when you could still see across town and not wear a face mask. 07:50 < cyberanger> I'll be here till April 2018 07:50 < aestetix> what are you there for? 07:50 <@Dolemite> Wow, that's a long time. Definitely invest in some good air purifiers. 07:52 < cyberanger> I'll be teaching english, not so much a career change as just a break I hope. I got sick of the cubicles & confrence rooms, felt I needed to slow down and see the world through a different lense 07:53 < aestetix> cyberanger: probably very different 07:53 < cyberanger> Yes and in some ways no, it's really been an intresting thing to see the last week. 07:54 <@Dolemite> I knew a guy that did the same thing - he was an IT Manager, but had taken a break back in the 1990s to go teach English in Beijing. 07:54 < aestetix> cyberanger: how different is Chinese from english? 07:54 < aestetix> German is fundamentally different in many ways 07:56 < cyberanger> Dolemite: Did he manage to get back into IT (I'm not sure I want back into IT or InfoSec, but I didn't mind the core job, just felt a little robbed of life if I didn't take a "late gap year") 07:58 < cyberanger> English has some germanic roots though, it was actually easier for me as a kid to learn German than Spanish. Later I learned French via immersion in Quebec (but couldn't learn it in High School trying to translate it) 07:58 < aestetix> cyberanger: emphasis on *some* 07:58 < aestetix> wait, sprichst du Deutsch? 07:59 <@Dolemite> cyberanger: Yes, he was in IT when I knew him and had just returned from teaching English less than a year before 08:00 <@Dolemite> But the IT landscape in the mid-late 90s was much different than it is, now 08:00 < aestetix> Dolemite: it was less cloudy then 08:00 <@Dolemite> Back then people valued age and experience more than youth and energy 08:00 < aestetix> Dolemite: do places outside of the bay area value youth/energy too? 08:00 < aestetix> I was hoping that was mostly limited to the bay 08:01 < cyberanger> Ja, but more or less Forgot both due to lack of use, and fair, it's not the same. In Beijing I cannot use Chinese in my classroom becuase they want immersion, not translation. Also english is used just enough in the right places to where my Chinese is nonexistent really 08:01 < dfused> youth is wasted on the young. 08:02 <@Dolemite> aestetix: Yes, because the dot com mentality has spread beyond Silicon Valley. Startups still prefer unencumbered labor that they can work 70 hours/week with the promise of an IPO. It's not as bad as the early 2000s, but I still see it on job boards. 08:02 < aestetix> ugh 08:03 < cyberanger> Dolemite: I'm hoping that 28 with certs & some expirence (and I'll be in college too) maybe I can split the difference. 08:03 < aestetix> youth have energy, but they also have immaturity and unreliability 08:03 < cyberanger> And if I miss my window, the pay here is good (maybe even better) and the GFW will keep me intrested ;-) 08:04 < cyberanger> aestetix: at 26 I think I can say I'm still youth, and can agree with that setence too. 08:04 < aestetix> in the bay area life begins at 19 and ends at 28 08:04 <@Dolemite> If an employer wants me to work 70 hours a week, I'll tell them to go fuck themselves, because I have a family and a life outside of work. However, because of that, I have motivation to get my job done so that I don't have to come back in and work 70 hours a week. 08:05 < cyberanger> I wouldn't be caught dead in the bay area though. 08:05 <@Dolemite> cyberanger: Stay away from the Karaoke lounges! 08:05 < aestetix> Dolemite: well there's also the whole working for 70 hours while getting paid for 40 08:05 <@Dolemite> Ah, that's where the carrot of "stock options" comes in 08:05 <@Dolemite> Stock that will never have any value if you don't put in all that sweat equity 08:05 < cyberanger> Well, living there at least. 08:06 < aestetix> Dolemite: make sure not to ask about stock dilution in the interview 08:06 < cyberanger> Yeah, but as a sysadmin or infosec guy, not a programmer, not my sweat. 08:06 <@Dolemite> But for some of us, we know that even with all that sweat equity, the stock options will be so diluted by the time it goes public that they'll be worthless 08:06 < aestetix> lol 08:06 < aestetix> one of my friends became a millionaire from twitter 08:06 < aestetix> but that's because he was like employee number 13 or something 08:07 < aestetix> he quit on the day all his options vested 08:07 < cyberanger> Exactly, I got real equity in Delta miles, no IPO, no point pulling the 70-80 hours for 25k anymore. 08:07 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: I have a friend who worked for a shit company like that. A few times during his tenure, management spread rumors of an impending sale with the sole purpose of boosting morale. 08:07 < _NSAKEY> When they finally did sell and his options got bought out, he made about what they should have been paying him all along, or perhaps a little less. 08:08 < _NSAKEY> Then again, they figured everyone above and around him so that he WAS the security department, and reported straight to a VP, who didn't want to promote him but didn't think he needed a boss. 08:08 < _NSAKEY> s/figured/fired/ 08:08 < _NSAKEY> Wow, not enough caffeine. 08:09 < aestetix> on a totally unrelated note 08:09 < aestetix> did anyone actually enjoy season 2 of man in the high castle? 08:09 < aestetix> or did everyone turn it off halfway through like I did 08:09 < _NSAKEY> He left shortly after the sale, with the stock options carrot firmly taken away. 08:09 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: yep 08:10 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Haven't gotten around to watching Season 2 yet. 08:10 < cyberanger> aestetix: I still need to see the pilot 08:10 < aestetix> season 1 is some of the best tv I've ever seen 08:10 < _NSAKEY> I only just recently finished season 3 of Silicon Valley. 08:10 < aestetix> season 2 was like wiping donald trump's ass 08:10 < _NSAKEY> It aired around the time I moved/changed jobs, and my TV consumption habits got all messed up. 08:10 < cyberanger> aestetix: with TP or Poison Ivy? 08:11 < aestetix> haha 08:12 <@Dolemite> aestetix: I was disappointed with the ending of season 1, so haven't bothered with season 2 08:13 < aestetix> Dolemite: you mean the last scene or whatever that was? 08:14 < cyberanger> I've been catching up on Mr Robot 08:14 <@Dolemite> aestetix: Sure 08:15 < cyberanger> Rewatching season one, saw some things I missed, and finally starting season two. 08:15 <@Dolemite> I've really enjoyed The Expanse. Their attention to the details regarding the reality of space has been fantastic. 08:16 * cyberanger adds that to his list. 08:19 < cyberanger> I'm really glad Hollywood has started to learn that the details matter 08:23 < cyberanger> Dolemite: oh, and yeah you won't catch me in a Karaoke lounge, maybe one of the sports bars with a Hockey game on (yeah, that suprised me too) 08:30 <@Dolemite> In Asia, pretty much all karaoke lounges are brothels 08:30 <@Dolemite> Well, to an extent. They don't have beds set up, but the girls there are available for take home. 08:32 <@Dolemite> Every time I had a conference in Asia, I'd end up drinking alone... because the Indians, especially, would want to go to the karaoke bar because they wouldn't drink, but it was no big deal to cheat on their wife with a karaoke girl 08:33 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1MHqaY4B84 08:33 < PigBot> Title: Joe Rogan & Philip DeFranco on PewDiePie Controversy - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/zyh9rzt 08:34 <@Dolemite> I think I only went twice. First time was on my first visit to Asia where I learned why they were so popular, and second was when we had a conference on the island of Hainan Dao, because it was either stay with the guys to get anything to drink at all, or try to make it back to the hotel on my own. Unlike in Beijing, English is very rarely spoken in Hainan Dao. 08:35 <@Dolemite> at least, that was the case in the mid 2000s 08:35 <@Dolemite> Damn, that's 14 years ago. 08:37 < dfused> haha...getting old sux 08:37 <@Dolemite> That it does 08:40 < aestetix> that video explains why I no longer trust "main stream" media 08:40 < aestetix> I've actually blocked out CNN, NY Times, WSJ, etc because they are tabloids now 08:42 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@cpe-74-141-205-192.kya.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 08:56 < cyberanger> Dolemite: I've heard that, but even if I find the normal kind, my best song really is a SoLow 08:57 < cyberanger> Same goes for massage parlors too I've been warned 08:58 <@Dolemite> While you can go to a karaoke lounge and just chill and drink, you're paying a much higher price for something you don't want 08:59 <@Dolemite> I was always being hosted by locals, so it wasn't my money, but still. I'd rather not have to listen to middle aged men sing Chinese opera. 09:05 -!- Fluxm0n [~Fluxm0n@198.8.80.223] has joined #se2600 09:08 <@rattle> I've been pretty good these days about not drinking too much. Tonight's SOTU is going to be a challenge. 09:12 <@Dolemite> It's not a SOTU 09:22 < aestetix> rattle: do you have to watch it? 09:23 < aestetix> I think you'd get more out of the pain olympics 09:23 <@rattle> I'm not sure. 09:23 <@rattle> I think, I'd be remiss if I didn't. 09:24 <@rattle> It's potentially going to be very interesting to see Congress's reactions to him. 09:24 <@rattle> It's undoubtedly going to be yet another low point for the american presidency.. 09:26 < aestetix> btw 09:26 < aestetix> are the democrats going to STFU about identity politics any time soon? 09:27 < aestetix> Lately it seems that they think being black or some random minority gives you superpowers 09:28 < aestetix> That shit has leaked out of the bay area and clogged up what used to be the DNC 09:30 -!- Dolemite [~scott@96-38-109-185.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:32 -!- Dolemite [~scott@96-38-109-185.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #se2600 09:32 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dolemite] by ChanServ 09:39 <@rattle> Hrm.. Possibly interesting thing. If this is true, it might be able to verify. Much of the property at the white house is inventoried due to historical significance. If Bannon has broken things in anger, depending on what he broke, it may be verifiable via a FOIA request. https://twitter.com/AngryWHStaffer/status/836362761525424129 09:40 <@rattle> A petty thing.. But, it all seems petty these days. 09:47 < aestetix> this is great 09:47 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKYTFyktcoY 09:47 < PigBot> Title: #StopClickBait Episode 1: The End of Clickbait is Here - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/j4ka2dj 09:53 < aestetix> At the moment, the Democrats feel like a high school rumor mill 09:53 < aestetix> And the Republicans feel like the gang of bullies 09:54 < aestetix> I wonder how long before the Democrats will inherit the name "The Lost cause" from the confederacy 10:02 -!- Fluxym0n [~Fluxm0n@198.8.80.223] has joined #se2600 10:04 -!- Fluxm0n [~Fluxm0n@198.8.80.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:13 -!- Fluxym0n [~Fluxm0n@198.8.80.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:19 -!- dfused [~dfused@nc-184-0-129-199.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [] 11:26 -!- dfused [~dfused@nc-184-0-129-199.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #se2600 11:43 < dasunt> Democrats are pissing me off. 11:44 < dasunt> They have this beautiful opportunity to kick the GOPs butt, and instead... 11:46 < aestetix> dasunt: what did they do? 11:55 <@Dolemite> nothing, that's the point 11:58 < aestetix> lol 11:58 < aestetix> yeah the democrats are useless 12:03 < xray> and how is that different than any other politician 12:04 < aestetix> it's not at all 12:24 <@rhia> as a unit, the DNC is a wimp 12:25 <@rhia> Democrats have a problem with messaging - they try to explain in detail while the GOP repeats slogans until they're adopted and accepted as facts 12:27 <@rhia> and, the DNC is always playing defense because they can't organize and stay on topic enough to mount an effective offense 12:28 <@rhia> sad that the DNC can't herd their own members nearly as well as the GOP directs and controls the DNC message 12:30 < dasunt> Democrats have a problem with believing that others should share their ideals because the left's ideology is *enlightened*. 12:31 < dasunt> They have very little ability to communicate how the lefts ideals help the common person. 12:32 <@rhia> yeah, they suck at messaging 12:32 < dasunt> Amazingly so. 12:33 <@rhia> Trump's populist message of "everyone will get healthcare" and that he wouldn't hurt the social safety nets (SS, medicare/medicaid) ARE the DNC ideals 12:33 < frsilent> https://twitter.com/fk_AndyJassy/status/836640525570699264 12:33 < PigBot> Title: Andrew M.F. Jassy on Twitter: ""AWS S3 is not suffering an outage and has never, ever suffered an outage, PERIOD" #awscloud https://t.co/b0DfxMTJyY" (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/zrvpdfm 12:33 < dasunt> If the Democrats could strategize, they could make the GOP bleed on healthcare. Healthcare is still going to increase in cost (as it has been for the last few decades). 12:34 < dasunt> GOP decided they wanted to own the healthcare fix. That's a great opportunity for the Dems. 12:34 < dasunt> But instead, Dems will probably be doing something stupid. 12:35 <@rhia> if they could strategize, we wouldn't have an orangutan in an ill fitting suit sitting in the oval office 12:35 <@Dagmar> Reminder: None of these fuckin' people are doing their jobs 12:35 <@Dolemite> The surreal topsy turvy world we have, now, has my Facebook feed showing staunch 'conservatives' (aka I vote Republican because Daddy always did) posting support for a 'Trumpcare' plan that is basically single payer socialized medicine. Something a true conervative would never back. 12:36 <@Dolemite> s/conervative/conservative 12:38 < dasunt> LOL. 12:39 < dasunt> I always thought the GOP was ripe for a split between the younger (more libertarian) and older (more religious/socially conservative) parts of the party. 12:40 < aestetix> maybe amazon s3 needs to hire sean spicer to help with their PR 12:40 < dasunt> I'm not sure how you'd fit universal healthcare into either extreme though. 12:40 < aestetix> The only thing universal healthcare in the US would gurantee is a few people would get really rich 12:42 < dasunt> So nothing would change? 12:50 <@Dagmar> It's very simple. 12:50 <@Dagmar> The corporations with the most lobbyists would get rich 12:50 <@Dagmar> Everyone else gets fucked 12:51 <@Dagmar> Exactly none of those motherfuckers are doing their jobs anymore 12:51 <@Dagmar> They do the will of the lobbyists, not the people 12:58 <@rhia> including the new head of the FCC, Ajit Pai, who hit the ground running undermining and trying to undo net neutrality 13:05 <@Dolemite> Most of the Trump supporters aren't so because they believe he can succeed as President. They mainly believe that he can burn the place to the ground. 13:08 < dasunt> And how does that help Trump supporters? 13:14 < xray> Actually the DNC set the debate topic to "replace if you repeal" and the GOP took the bait. The Gov has no business being in health care. 13:16 < aestetix> xray: I would agree 13:22 <@Dolemite> dasunt: Again, they're not really supporting Trump - they're so disenfranchised with the political system that they'd prefer to burn it down and start over 13:23 <@Dagmar> I think mainly they're just looking to get what they can in the short term and rely on their ability to pretend all this was caused by smoeone else when it start burning to the ground 13:35 < dasunt> Dolemite: Do they realize that burning down the system will almost certainly be harmful to them? 13:42 <@rattle> Imagine is the white house suddenly advocated a single payer system? The shit storm would be amazing. 13:51 <@rattle> I find it ironic that one of the effects of the current AWS outage was they were unable to update their own health dashboard. 14:04 < dfused> whats really funny is all the other things that are dead because of it 14:09 < dfused> hah "Dependency Awareness Day" 14:22 <@Dagmar> lol 14:22 <@Dagmar> That sounds about right 14:22 <@Dagmar> I'm seeing people in multiple channels complaining about all the shit they use being broken becuase of something or other leading back to AWS 14:44 < dasunt> Our ticket system is acting very oddly because of AWS. 14:46 < dasunt> I'm not sure about my bank's website since that always acts like they are on a IP-over-Avian-Carriers link. 15:56 -!- bantone [~sword@162.242.216.132] has joined #se2600 15:56 -!- bantone [~sword@162.242.216.132] has left #se2600 [] 16:18 -!- Fluxm0n [~Fluxm0n@64.31.240.251] has joined #se2600 16:24 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@cpe-74-141-205-192.kya.res.rr.com] has quit [] 16:26 < dasunt> This iPhone is refusing to back up to iCloud. Damn you Amazon! 16:42 < cyberanger> Is that a bug or a feature? 17:08 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:f475:f133:adc8:8e0a] has joined #se2600 17:09 -!- Fluxm0n [~Fluxm0n@64.31.240.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:23 -!- remoford [~remo_lapt@c-68-52-35-32.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 17:23 < aestetix> https://arstechnica.com/business/2017/02/aol-will-cut-off-third-party-app-access-to-aim/ 17:23 < PigBot> Title: AOL will cut off third-party app access to AIM | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com) http://tinyurl.com/gpl5h3x 17:25 <@Dagmar> How is that news? 17:25 <@Dagmar> Seriously 17:25 <@Dagmar> Who the fuck still uses AIM 17:26 <@Dagmar> Is this their way of notifying the last three users, because they can't remember where they put them?> 17:33 <@Dagmar> Micah_: Read the relevant specs before you go trying to change anything 17:42 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:f475:f133:adc8:8e0a] has quit [] 17:44 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:6d69:1245:4bfb:3522] has joined #se2600 17:59 -!- Fluxm0n [~Fluxm0n@64.31.254.218] has joined #se2600 18:01 < K`Tetch_> aestetix uses aim, I'm logged into AIM right now... 18:02 < cyberanger> If AIM isn't dead, That'll kill it. 18:03 -!- Fluxm0n [~Fluxm0n@64.31.254.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:04 < K`Tetch_> yep 18:04 < K`Tetch_> ICQ, MSM, and yahoo have all done similar 18:05 < K`Tetch_> used to have all 5 (those 3, aim and gtalk running on trillian 18:07 -!- crashcartpro [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xcfrfaekzuwsrttp] has joined #se2600 18:46 < TheDukh> I wish I could remember my ICQ# 19:11 < cyberanger> I'm suprised I use QQ and WeChat so much here, had all of them, first pidgin, then finch (very short while) and now bitlbee too, but I deleted ICQ & AIM years ago 19:11 < cyberanger> Can't recall what happened with Yahoo IM, likely just didn't put it back in one upgrade. 19:17 < K`Tetch_> 7669043 was mine 19:17 < K`Tetch_> but then it got hijacked about 10 years ago 19:20 < _NSAKEY> Hahaha, people still use AIM? 19:22 <@Dagmar> I think _most_ of them got hijacked 19:23 <@Dagmar> I had a six digit one, then it was gone 19:31 < K`Tetch_> i have aim active right now, i haven't used it for a message in years 19:31 < K`Tetch_> its also the only IM protocol my phone supports thats still active 19:56 < _NSAKEY> Half of the random AIMs I made got stolen over time. 20:58 <@Dagmar> After the second time of getting mine stolen I just quit caring 20:58 <@Dagmar> If they couldn't be bothered to stop people brute-forcing the entire fucking keyspace for a ten character password, then fuck them 21:22 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: It wasn't even that. It was pretty much all social engineering of AOL support, as I understand the problem. --- Log closed Tue Feb 28 21:28:41 2017 --- Log opened Tue Feb 28 21:28:49 2017 21:28 -!- Evilpig [~wilpig@96-80-184-99-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #se2600 21:28 -!- Irssi: #se2600: Total of 33 nicks [13 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal] 21:28 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Evilpig] by ChanServ 21:28 -!- Irssi: Join to #se2600 was synced in 11 secs 21:28 -!- NotLarry [~NotLarry@wilpig.org] has joined #se2600 21:29 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o NotLarry] by ChanServ 21:29 -!- PigBot [~pigbot@96-80-184-99-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #se2600 21:29 -!- Shadow404 [~shadow404@96-80-184-99-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #se2600 22:09 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: Color me unsurprised. That network had some deep-seated stupid even when it was QuantumLInk 23:20 < _NSAKEY> Stupid takes a long time to fix, mostly because all the good ways to solve it quickly are illegal. 23:34 <@Dagmar> Even when it was QuantumLink, the damn client that ran on the user's C-64 controlled everything they could do 23:34 <@Dagmar> You could become master of a room and punt people out just by knowing which bytes to send 23:35 <@Dagmar> The system's security basically revolved around no one knowing you could do `set UID=0` --- Log closed Wed Mar 01 00:00:05 2017