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06:24 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:27  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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08:28 < rattle> Boom.  https://security.googleblog.com/2017/02/announcing-first-sha1-collision.html
08:28 < PigBot> Title: Google Online Security Blog: Announcing the first SHA1 collision (at security.googleblog.com) http://tinyurl.com/h7kxp6c
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08:35 <@Dagmar> Wpw seriously?
08:35 <@Dagmar> Good thing we're all on SHA256 now
08:35 <@Dagmar> ...which is weirdly faster on most platforms
08:35 < aestetix> ohhh boy
08:36 <@Dagmar> HOLY GALLOPING MOTHERFUCK
08:36 <@Dagmar> THe amount of time they spent cracking the one
08:37 <@Dagmar> Gorilla glass isn't going to polish very well
08:37 <@Dagmar> #@$@
08:38 < aestetix> ppffft
08:38 < aestetix> only 110 years of GPU computations
08:39 <@Dagmar> Yeah, I'm like, this puts it in nation-state territory
08:39 <@Dagmar> ...but for fucking sure no one else
08:39 < aestetix> yeah
08:39 < aestetix> Like... NSA territory
08:56 < rattle> Not really.  Google clearly did it.  I can think of at least 5 shops that could do that within 3 months on spare time.
08:56 < rattle> As in, non nation-states.
08:57 < aestetix> I think Google clearly has the capacity of a nation state
08:57 < aestetix> so rattle I want your opinion on this
08:57 <@Dagmar> aestetix: I'd say you're right considering they seem to outbuy the NSA
08:57 < aestetix> If Mark Zuckerberg decided to run for office, what would stop him from using facebook to mine for dirt on all his opponents?
08:58 <@Dagmar> aestetix: The fact that most of his opponents aren't smart enough to use Facebook
08:58 < aestetix> lol
08:58 < aestetix> But he could easily use it to follow a rumor, etc
08:59 < dfused> wouldnt they first have to stop using shit news
08:59 < aestetix> well the thing is
09:00 < aestetix> doesn't zuckerberg also have access to all the private messages, whatsapp chats, etc?
09:00 < dfused> prolly
09:03 < rattle> If they didn't obey their own tos type stuff, users could go class action at them.
09:03 < aestetix> What would stop them from just changing their tos to allow it?
09:05 < TheDukh> Would have to be a new ToS to be accepted by the users, because I don't think new ToS can be backdated for existing data...
09:06 < aestetix> Unless it has a thing agreeing to all changes going forward
09:06 < aestetix> or "by using facebook you agree to..."
09:06 < dfused> tos for staff would NOT be same as tos for users....thatd be just dumb
09:10 < aestetix> oh wow
09:11 < aestetix> So Milo just got destroyed for comments about 13 year olds engaging in sex acts
09:11 < aestetix> But it turns out George Tekai made similar comments a while back
09:12 < TheDukh> Most people would give Sulu a pass for anything.
09:12 < aestetix> Just saying, it *is* a double standard.
09:15 <@Dagmar> No, it's more a matter of these people know Takai isn't a jackass
09:15 <@Dagmar> He's built up quite a bit of goodwill
09:15 <@Dagmar> Milo is just an asshole
09:18 < aestetix> this is true
09:18 < aestetix> on both counts
09:18 < aestetix> Maybe the way to describe Milo is he shat where he ate, and it caught up to him.
09:19 < K`Tetch_> and similar doesn't mean 'the same'
09:20 <@Dagmar> A good comedian can get away with some pedo jokes
09:20 < aestetix> I think he has the potential to be a really powerful voice
09:20 <@Dagmar> Someone convicted of crimes against children can't ever do that
09:20 < aestetix> But he needs to get away from the vulgarity
09:21 < aestetix> Another phrase that comes to mind is "keep it classy"
09:34 <@oddball> aestetix: Yeah.  Sulu also called Clarence Thomas "a white man in blackface" because he disagreed with a dicision.  He can get awway with a lot because he's the right kind of person.
09:34 < aestetix> heh
09:35 <@oddball> oops, sorry.  Just looked up the quote.  It was "a clown in blackface," but pretty much the same thing.
09:35 < aestetix> I think Sulu has every right to say that. He is not the person I have issues with.
09:38 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: case in point bob saget
09:38 < dfused> hrm....not sure I agreee
09:38 <@oddball> yeah.  Milo's a peace of shit, and I'm not really all that upset over him getting thrown under the bus over this.
09:38 < dfused> sounds similar to "black ppl cant be racist" sort of mentality
09:38 <@oddball> yep
09:38 < aestetix> I think I'm upset because Milo had potential to turn his idiocy into something really cool
09:39 < aestetix> And spilled it all over the place
09:39 < aestetix> He's clearly smart, and not afraid of liberal anger.
09:39 <@oddball> Of course not, he figured out that he could make serious cash trolling them.
09:40 <@Dolemite> So did anybody watch the DNC Chair debate last night?  Just wondering if anybody said they'd be sure to not let Hillary run, again.
09:40 < aestetix> ugh
09:41 < aestetix> "DNC debate" is not something I wanted to hear
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09:41 <@oddball> Dolemite: But she's the chosen one!
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09:42 <@Dolemite> oddball: If she runs again, I'll have to start thinking she's a Highlander.
09:42 <@oddball> heh
09:43 <@oddball> I've actually seen people already point at evidence that she's planning on running again... and guessing that the DMC will pull the same shit they did this time around.
09:44 <@dasunt> I'd say she's too toxic to survive the preliminary weeding out, but WTF do I know - Trump is president and I sure wouldn't have predicted that.
09:45 <@Dolemite> Oh, hell.  One of the candidates for chair has talking points that spell out his name.  I guess he's going for that narcissist vote.
09:45 <@oddball> dasunt: I think it was early on that the Daily show congratulated both sides for choosing the one person that could lose to their opponent.
09:46 <@dasunt> oddball: I'll file that under "sad but true".
09:46 <@dasunt> For shits and giggles, it would be hillarious if Keith Ellison was the DNC candidate.
09:47 <@oddball> Oh, yeah.  I think it was about that time that my mom (a lifetime republican, who's actually been active in the party in the past) asked me "who the hell should I vote for?!"
09:47 <@dasunt> It'll never happen, since he's a black Muslim, but it would be worth it just to see Fox's reaction.
09:47 < aestetix> oddball: it's worth asking why nobody worth a shit is running
09:48 <@oddball> 'cause both options were a clear "fuck no" to her.
09:48 <@dasunt> aestetix: Because our political system chews up intelligent, nuanced people and instead caters to political weasels.
09:49 < aestetix> dasunt: and the question is, has it always been that way
09:49 <@oddball> aestetix: I'd say that Bernie was worth a shit for the Dems.  The Republicans have been putting uup a whole lot of suck in fail for POTUS for a while now.
09:49 < aestetix> Bernie was awful.
09:50 <@oddball> Oh, I didn't say that I liked him, just that he was worth a shit.  He's a life long politician and has shown the ability to actually compromise with the otherside.
09:50 <@Dolemite> Bernie was catering too much to the free stuff crowd.
09:50 <@dasunt> aestetix: I dunno.  Imagine if, during a debate, a candidate said something like "I don't know enough about <subject> to have an informed decision.  I'd have to look into it."
09:50 < aestetix> dasunt: that would be great
09:50 <@oddball> Hell, he's an anti-gun guy from Vermont.  Permitless carry use to refered to as "Vermont carry" until a few years ago.
09:51 < aestetix> Dolemite: ageed
09:51 < aestetix> agreed
09:51 <@oddball> Dolemite: It got Obama into office. :p
09:51 <@dasunt> aestetix: I'd vote for that guy, but he'll lose to the person who plugs <subject> into a vague prepared statement about how <whatever> is very important to Americans and rah rah rah that's why you should vote for them.
09:51  * dasunt was a Bernie supporter.
09:52 < aestetix> dasunt: Bernie never said how he planned to pay for all the stuff
09:52 <@dasunt> aestetix: He's a democrat, so higher taxes.  :p
09:52 < aestetix> Further, he'd just make the government larger. And larger government is less accountable
09:53 <@Dolemite> I don't recall the Obama free stuff parade, but I didn't vote for him in the primary, either.
09:53 <@Dolemite> No matter what he was saying, I felt that he simply didn't have enough experience for my vote
09:53 <@dasunt> Dolemite: Obama did push for a public option for healthcare, but I don't recall when.
09:55 <@Dolemite> Yeah, but public option for healthcare comes with a tax.  Bernie never figured out where the money would come from.
09:55 <@oddball> dasunt: Basically until he realized that he wouldn't be able to get it, even with a Dem majority in both the house and Senate.
09:55 <@dasunt> I'm guessing Bernie woudl tax the rich.
09:55 <@Dolemite> tour time
09:56 <@dasunt> Really though, IMO we should be talking about healthcare costs and why they've been well above the norm for the last 30 years compared to the rest of the world.  But that would require (a) complicated discussions and (b) pissing off big campaign donors, so that's not going to happen.
09:57 <@dasunt> Oh well, it's somewhat cool to be the country that's the real life test case for "how high can your healthcare costs go before your economy can't compete"
09:57 <@oddball> Step 1. require healthcare providers to provide bills that make fucking sense.
09:58 < aestetix> How about having a publicly available list of prices for things
09:58 < aestetix> So you can compare with other providers and pick the best one for you
09:58 < aestetix> And abolish open enrollment
09:59 <@Evilpig> can't do that.  they like charging $100 for tylenol
09:59 <@oddball> My mom went through surgery last year.  Got a "this is not a bill" that stated something like "cost of procedure: $10k  Insurance payment: $2k  Amount still owed: $0"
09:59 < aestetix> Evilpig: and $200 for a bag of saline water
10:00 <@oddball> When you're cool with things on the books like $10k-$2k=$0, you're books are fucked.
10:00 <@dasunt> aestetix: That would only work for planned procedures that went perfectly.
10:01 <@Evilpig> I can understand how they want to charge more for saline.  they keep those bags sterile and it costs to manufacture and maintain that condition.  but things like tylenol that they just drop out of the bottle is ridiculous
10:01 <@dasunt> aestetix: Else any complication gets you back to the spendy prices.
10:02 <@dasunt> I suspect even with a great price list, there's enough potential for confusopolies to develop.
10:04 <@dasunt> The US Healthcare System at this point will probably need an economic collapse or a revolution to really fix.
10:06 <@dasunt> I'm not exaggerating either - look at how big healthcare is in the US as a percentage of our GDP.  I think it's around 17% last time I checked.  Western Europeans are something at 12%, IIRC.
10:07 <@dasunt> That's a difference of 5%.  5% of the US economy is what?  Half a trillion dollars?  That's a lot of money.
10:08 <@dasunt> Do you really think the healthcare industry will not create a political shitfest over the potential loss of half a trillion dollars?
10:10  * dasunt gets off his soap box.
10:21 < K`Tetch_> 10:52:14 «aestetix» Further, he'd just make the government larger. And larger government is less accountable <-- I think there's a good Pratchett quote on this, which is abotu government transparancy. Paraphrased is "transparent can mean you can see all the workings, OR it can mean 'you can't see it at all'
10:32 <@Evilpig> https://mobile.twitter.com/RobDenBleyker/status/834802303387500544
10:32 < PigBot> Title: Twitter (at mobile.twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/j35d3ft
10:32 <@Evilpig> "The president hasn't tweeted in 24 hours. Does this constitute some kind of emergency? Should someone check on him?"
10:44 <@Dagmar> Let's just declare him dead and move on
10:44 <@Dagmar> If we're lucky, we can have someone else elected before he can pull his head out of his ass
10:56 <@dasunt> No, we get Pence.  :(
10:57 <@dasunt> Who, admittedly, may be more coherent than Trump.
10:59 <@dasunt> But does seem to be one of those conservatives that wants a government small enough to fit in your pants and make sure you are using the right bathroom.
11:02 <@dasunt> LOL:  http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/22/politics/congress-missing-town-halls-trnd/index.html
11:02 < PigBot> Title: Congress' 'missing' representatives sought - CNNPolitics.com (at www.cnn.com) http://tinyurl.com/j65s6da
11:08 < aestetix> a duck with its head cut off is more coherent than Trump
11:08 < aestetix> fuck I love the pope
11:09 < aestetix> http://www.reuters.com/article/us-pope-atheists-idUSKBN1621I3
11:09 < PigBot> Title: Pope suggests 'better to be atheist than hypocritical Catholic' | Reuters (at www.reuters.com) http://tinyurl.com/htt578o
11:09 < aestetix> "He said that some of these people should also say "'my life is not Christian, I don't pay my employees proper salaries, I exploit people, I do dirty business, I launder money, (I lead) a double life'.""
11:10 < aestetix> the headline is not good
11:10 < aestetix> but the pope is calling out people who say they are catholic but do horrible things
11:22 < TheDukh> I like how this pope favors atheists more than shitty christians.
11:22 < TheDukh> He made some declaration a few years ago, about if atheists // agnostics // buddhists what have you were good and decent people, they would be able to get into heaven.
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11:58 <@dasunt> Expect whining:  http://www.sciencealert.com/nasa-scientists-have-proposed-a-new-definition-for-planets-and-it-could-change-everything
11:58 < PigBot> Title: NASA scientists have proposed a new definition of planets, and Pluto could soon be back - ScienceAlert (at www.sciencealert.com) http://tinyurl.com/jc5ev6w
12:00 <@opticron> along with a butt ton of other "planets"
12:18 <@dasunt> Any reasonable planetary definition that includes Pluto drags in a lot of other planets.
12:30 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkvvAQxxo_0
12:30 < PigBot> Title: Donald Trump: Magician-In-Chief - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/ztra2an
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19:40 <@Dagmar> Clouds are bleeding!  The end is nigh!
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20:24 < rattle> Relax Dagmar, industrial music prepared us for these times.
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