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06:41 < dfused> need to coin a term used for when you wake up the next mornign after smoking way tooo many cigarettes. ...like a hangover but for smokes.
06:53 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Kw6fRgfl34
06:53 < PigBot> Title: [Vinesauce] Vinny - Shitty Super Mario World Romhacks (part 1) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/j5d6oaa
06:53 < aestetix> it's kind of scary how much effort goes into these romhacks
07:06 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Have you seen Super Trump 64?
07:06 < aestetix> yes
07:24 < _NSAKEY> It's actually fun, aside from the camera not wanting to be controlled.
07:24 < _NSAKEY> It's not quite Kaizo tier, but you have to pull off a lot of trick jumps just to make it to the end.
08:04 < aestetix> german girls are hot
08:31 < aestetix> https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/5uvhm8/doctors_of_reddit_what_was_the_dumbest_patient/
08:31 < PigBot> Title: Doctors of Reddit, what was the dumbest patient you've ever had? Why? : AskReddit (at www.reddit.com) http://tinyurl.com/z7wsbh6
08:31 < aestetix> americans are a special kind of stupid
08:40 < _NSAKEY> The lady who thought she was pregnant but took a massive dump must have been extra special.
08:54 < dfused> yay  spacex another great launch and 1st stage landing
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08:57 < aestetix> you know
08:57 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: looking at some of these stories.... and then hearing all this stuff about how "giving the Internet to third world countries will help them learn medicine"
08:57 < aestetix> Seems that is only ONE possibility :)
09:27 < K`Tetch> dammit, i meant to watch the launch
09:27 < dfused> it went really well.... but was cloudy so wasnt as visually awesome
09:28 < dfused> but the damn landing was perfect
10:42 < aestetix> so
10:42 < aestetix> according to my german friends
10:42 < aestetix> it seems that a lot of americans are unfamiliar with the Weimar Republica
10:42 < aestetix> republic*
10:42 < aestetix> how is this even possib
10:42 < aestetix> are american schools just that shitty now?
10:54 < K`Tetch> yes
10:55 < K`Tetch> one of my daughters co-workers talked to me Friday, and told me this great story about how D-day was only possible because some german master sergent was 'away' and so no-one knew what to do in response
10:56 < K`Tetch> not to mention things like 'civil war was over states rights', or the whole revolutionary war, forgetting that msot british military strength wasn't sent because it was thought to be a feint byt he french to uncover the UK, or that the majority of the fighting was done by French, Spanish and dutch troops, which 'filled out' the militias
11:00 < _NSAKEY> K`Tetch: The state's rights bullshit was postwar spin by people on the losing side.
11:07 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: If you're under 18 and want to learn history, the last place to do it is in something like a world history class.
11:08 < _NSAKEY> I took Latin in high school, and the teacher backdoored a bunch of Roman Republic/Empire history lessons into the cirriculum. It stuck with me.
11:09 < aestetix> The civil war being over states rights is a way more complicated topic
11:10 < aestetix> For a few years I was sold on it, but now I've seen enough evidence otherwise that I'm less certain.
11:10 < aestetix> However, what you guys are saying is different
11:11 < aestetix> From what you say, students learn about something, but just get a different and possible biased view
11:11 < aestetix> Versus barely learning aobut it at all
11:12 < _NSAKEY> Oh, trust me. They don't.
11:12 < _NSAKEY> My world history class in high school stopped somewhere before the American Revolution.
11:12 < aestetix> Like someone barely knowing what the Weimar Republic was
11:13 < aestetix> it's like
11:13 < aestetix> There is a reason Germany started WW2
11:13 < aestetix> And it was not entirely their fault
11:13 < _NSAKEY> Because that's material for American History, and after that point, fuck the rest of the world's story, because America's is the only important one.
11:13 < aestetix> If you went to the store tomorrow and a loaf of bread suddenly cost $10 million, you'd be pissed too
11:13 < dfused> ...cause 'Murica dammit
11:14 < _NSAKEY> Exactly.
11:14 < aestetix> Sometimes I think liberals are desperate to have Trump actually become like a Hitler
11:15 < aestetix> Because then they would attack him and be vindicated
11:15 < aestetix> Sort of like how millenials click the "block" button on anything that makes them feel uncomfortable
11:15 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: There's also the fact, in the case of my world history class, that it was little more than a blitz of memorizing dates and military conquests for tests.
11:16 < _NSAKEY> Absolutely no discussion about cause and effect, how one thing logically lead to the next thing, etc.
11:16 < aestetix> Did you go to a public school?
11:16 < _NSAKEY> They had a football coach teaching that class, if that helps illuminate things for you.
11:16 < _NSAKEY> Yeah.
11:16 < aestetix> I ask because I'm wondering if that's due to federal funds and testing
11:16 < _NSAKEY> I didn't learn much of anything there.
11:16 < aestetix> IE they teach you the dates so you can answer the right questions on tests so they can get their money
11:16 < _NSAKEY> Well, I did, but I learned it from books I brought in and read during classes.
11:17 < aestetix> btw
11:18 < aestetix> the next time a teenager tells you that Shakespeare is boring
11:18 < aestetix> ask if they have read Titus Andronicus
11:18 < _NSAKEY> They also teach to the dumbest shits in the classes, and even those people tend to find a way to limbo under the low bar set for them.
11:18 < _NSAKEY> I didn't have a terrible time in high school, but I definitely didn't do a lot of learning.
11:18 < aestetix> Since that whole "Scott Tenerman Must Die" episode of South Park was basically lifted entirely out of shakespeare
11:19 < aestetix> It's one of my favorite plays because it is so incredibly needlessly fucked up
11:20 < aestetix> Hmm.
11:20 < _NSAKEY> I haven't read this one ebfore. Sounds like something I might enjoy.
11:20 < aestetix> I wonder if American schools would teach highschoolers about Kristallnacht
11:20 < aestetix> Even a trigger warning won't help you get through that one ;)
11:22 < aestetix> Or the time the nazis made the jews clean the streets by hand
11:22 < aestetix> http://www.theholocaustexplained.org/ks3/life-in-nazi-occupied-europe/impact-on-jewish-communities/
11:22 < PigBot> Title: The impact of Nazi policies on Jewish communities - Key Stage 3 - The Holocaust Explained (at www.theholocaustexplained.org) http://tinyurl.com/jhxhe5f
11:23 < aestetix> Somehow I suspect this is not taught in American high schools
11:25 < aestetix> I'm tempted to make a list of fucked up things like that and call it "Things American highschool teachers are too pussy to teach"
11:26 < _NSAKEY> s/pussy/triggered/
11:26 < _NSAKEY> Making fun of triggering will get you more troll points and better your chances of ascending to Lolhalla.
11:52 < aestetix> https://libreboot.org/gnu/
11:52 < aestetix> enjoy
11:52 < PigBot> Title: Libreboot opposes the Free Software Foundation and the GNU project (at libreboot.org) http://tinyurl.com/jtjxoyf
12:21 < K`Tetch> 12:09:56 «aestetix» For a few years I was sold on it, but now I've seen enough evidence otherwise that I'm less certain.<-- nope, the main issue was slavery, as stated by the declairations of seceedance. Also, that 'right', was explicitly hadned to the confederate federal government, in the CSA constitution
12:22 < K`Tetch> last years dragoncon volunteer day was at stone mountain, that was the week before all those pro-CSA protests there ('you lost, get over it')
12:53 < aestetix> well here is what really turned me
12:53 < aestetix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_A._Beard#Civil_War_and_Reconstruction
12:53 < PigBot> Title: Charles A. Beard - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/jtu2zlx
12:54 < aestetix> The Beard interpretation of the Civil War is what lead to a lot of the "states rights" arguments
12:54 < aestetix> Once I learned that it was a lot easier to filter things
12:56 < aestetix> (I like to make decisions based on facts and data, and I found that to be a very useful data point)
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