--- Log opened Sat Feb 18 00:00:46 2017 01:35 -!- fie [fie@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-qkorerzacctwucoa] has joined #se2600 02:28 < aestetix> K`Tetch: pong 02:43 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: ping 02:44 < aestetix> oh nevermind my bad 02:45 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: pong 02:48 < aestetix> ok so here is a question for the channel 02:49 < aestetix> if you run irssi in a screen session, and have a scrollback from irssi 02:49 < aestetix> does that count as logging? 02:49 < aestetix> even if there is nothing logged to disk 02:49 < cyberanger> I'd say it's a grey area. 02:49 < aestetix> I got into a big argument yesterday with a guy who accused me of logging his hat 02:50 < aestetix> chat* 02:50 < aestetix> I mean the thing is, let's say police seize the server 02:50 < cyberanger> I personally wouldn't call it logging in the strictest sense, but I could still call it a security concern. 02:50 < aestetix> they will likely power it down 02:51 < aestetix> which will kill the screen session 02:51 < aestetix> cyberanger: I mean clearly if I'm doing anything sensitive I would NOT do it in irc 02:51 < aestetix> or I'd do it in a contained irc environment 02:51 < aestetix> I think this guy was just being self-important 02:51 < aestetix> especially since there was nothing sensitive in the discussion 02:52 < cyberanger> Agreed, Contained like tails and paranoid (not the good kind) or self-important 02:52 < cyberanger> This guys name wasn't Julian Assange by chance, was it? 02:52 < aestetix> no lol 02:52 < aestetix> I mean also 02:53 < aestetix> usually if I'm discussing something sensitive it's made clear beforehand 02:54 < aestetix> this is why I can't stand the Tor community anymore. they are way too self-important 02:55 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: It's not logging. 02:56 < _NSAKEY> I mean, if your shit gets owned, your scrollback is compromised in theory, but the same applies if the cops kick your door in and catch you with pidgin running without logs. 02:56 < cyberanger> I mean, I favor in person first, followed by Signal, then OTR, then GPG, and btw OTR works over IRC 02:56 < _NSAKEY> It's only slightly worse because of the always-on capability of irssi+screen in a data center and the lack of 4th amendment protections that brings. 02:57 < _NSAKEY> ... But really, the biggest issue is that you're still using screen. That person should dislodge the overly thick stick from their asshole. 02:57 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: irssi+screen on a private server hosted by someone you trust though? 02:57 < _NSAKEY> Then again, you're in Europe, so the 4th amendment doesn't apply. 02:57 < cyberanger> Or insert that stick further, might be cranky it's coming out. 02:57 < aestetix> But the server is in the US :) 02:58 * cyberanger trusts Switzerland more, but has no room to talk, Beijing soon...... 02:58 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: But it's not like you're in the US, and it's in your bedroom. That would give you a theoretical 4th amendment bonus against the pigs. 02:58 < _NSAKEY> In any case, that guy is being a dipshit for saying that irssi scrollback = logs. 02:58 < aestetix> I would agree 02:58 < _NSAKEY> And I say this as someone who thinks that anyone who logs private messages is narcing scum of the worst sort. 02:59 < aestetix> Like I said, self-important 02:59 < aestetix> What's really amusing is that these groupies attack the NSA nonstop, but then slowly begin to look more and more like them 02:59 < _NSAKEY> It's a fairly simple test: Is it being saved to disk? If yes, then it's a log. If not, then STFU. 02:59 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: exactly! 03:00 < aestetix> I mean one could make a case for a cold boot attack, but i don't know how often that's actually used 03:00 < _NSAKEY> It sounded like you don't talk to this person much, to have a conversation from what sounded like weeks ago still in scrollback. 03:00 < aestetix> that would be correct 03:00 < cyberanger> Is it a VPS or Dedicated? VPS I'd bet for a Memory dump prior to shut down. 03:00 < _NSAKEY> There's also blasting RAM sticks with liquid nitrogen, but at that point you have bigger problems from the cops than having your irssi scrollback saved. 03:00 < aestetix> I had a question for them that I had to refer to something from a couple months ago 03:01 < aestetix> cyberanger: dedicated 03:01 < aestetix> but yeah 03:01 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Anything beyond telling the guy "It's scrollback and we don't talk much, STFU" is probably overthinking it. 03:02 < aestetix> yeah it just caught me offguard and pissed me off 03:02 < aestetix> that he would be such a dick about it 03:02 < cyberanger> Not sure what the procedure would be for dedicated, I'd expect an attempt for ram, but ECC kind of prevents cold boot (unless the FBI has a way to bypass the Error checks?) Still, this isn't about security 03:02 < aestetix> but then I remembered "oh this is what it's like with those groupies, that's whyI don't hang out with them" 03:02 < cyberanger> It's about somebody who was a bit of an ass becuase you were in a public chat for too long? 03:03 < aestetix> the most well known of them is jake appelbaum, who as far as I can tell has never actually done anything illegal and tells everyone he is "exiled" to get attention 03:03 -!- crashcartpro [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wcqzxpuqplisydjm] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 03:04 < cyberanger> Well, the rape accusations count right? 03:04 < aestetix> cyberanger: well that's a totally different domain 03:04 < aestetix> I mean purely in the stuff he was parading about when he came to berlin 03:06 < cyberanger> True, however I do wonder sometimes. Isis Lovecruft has a similar role if I recall, and did have the FBI wanting to speak to her without her lawyer as she was leaving for Berlin too. 03:06 < aestetix> At least Isis is actually technical ;) 03:07 < cyberanger> Granted, the fact checking on that is kind of thin too, I think. 03:07 < aestetix> I know because I used her python gpg library in some stuff I was working on 03:08 * cyberanger loves github for this reason ^ 03:08 < aestetix> well that was kind of funny 03:09 < aestetix> I had an issue with it, and when I saw she wrote the lib, I asked her a few questions and she immediately disavowed the code 03:09 < aestetix> "that was years ago, I'm embarassed by it" 03:09 < aestetix> lol 03:09 < cyberanger> I look at my older sysadmin scrips and think that at times too 03:10 < cyberanger> Why the hell didn't I use brace expansion here and save myself a dozen or so lines? 03:10 < aestetix> but yeah, the whole self-important nonsense gets tiring 03:11 < cyberanger> What asshat hardcoded this repository & the gpg fingerprint too? *looks over the script again* well, I'm an asshat (that happened yesterday in fact, 7 year old script...) 03:14 < cyberanger> I love the therotical discussions on security, and I do lock my stuff down to an extreme I've been told but that is my choice. 03:16 < cyberanger> But the insanity of "I'm talking on IRC publicly, and some guy has a log (read buffer) going. This isn't secure!" makes my want to scream too, it never was secure idiot. 03:16 < aestetix> ok well done regressive left 03:16 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cDLflyQ8TA 03:16 < PigBot> Title: MILO Confronts the Panel | Overtime with Bill Maher (HBO) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/jzwc98l 03:16 < aestetix> Milo NEVER would have gotten this spot if it hadn't been for Berkeley 03:16 < cyberanger> 03:17 < cyberanger> aestetix: sorry, been dealing with that a lot lately too. 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