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09:30 < rattle> Ahhh..  Another week out in the killing fields of the cyberwar.  And, week four of the Trump Administration.  We're all still alive, so here we go.
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09:35 < aestetix> rattle: isn't he supposed to issue a new EO today or tomorrow?
09:35 < aestetix> to get around the 9th circuit ban
09:35 < rattle> Oh, I'm sure he will.
09:43 < aestetix> btw
09:43 < aestetix> a note on the regressive left
09:44 < aestetix> A fun game to play is to watch a movie from ..... let's say 2000 or earlier. And ask if it would be aired today.
09:44 < aestetix> A lot of movies from the 80s would be thrown out by the "progressives"
09:45 <@Dagmar> If they were being honest about it, the new Ghostbusters wouldn't get screentime today
09:45 < aestetix> honest about what?
09:46 <@Dagmar> Being against sexism
09:46 < aestetix> oh
09:46 <@Dagmar> Because it is _far_ more sexist than the original Ghostbusters
09:46 < aestetix> I didn't watch it
09:46 <@Dagmar> You should, just so you can give the middle finger to the people complaining it was treated unfairly
09:46 < aestetix> But it seems like they are basically taking the worst of hollywood tropes, switching the genders, and calling it "progress"
09:46 <@Dagmar> People didn't like it because it was an uninspired chop job on the original
09:47 <@Dagmar> ...but the director and actresses responded to that by calling everyone who didn't like it a misogynistic troll.
09:47 <@Dagmar> Particularly of interest should be the way they treat the replacement Jeanine
09:47 < dasunt> Strawmanning one's opponents is normal these days.
09:48 <@Dagmar> It's utterly _deplorable_
09:48 < dasunt> Probably part of why our culture is in the toilet.
09:48 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
09:49  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
09:50 < dasunt> Anyone know the cost of a homebuilt *big* model rocket?
09:50 <@Dolemite> Define big
09:51 < dasunt> By big, I mean liquid fueled & engine, not Estes solid rocket engine.
09:51 <@Dolemite> You can go several miles up on a solid rocket engine.  Just not necessarily one that you can buy in the store.
09:52 <@Dolemite> You have to start making your own engines out of cat litter and confectioner sugar
09:53 < dasunt> I'm reading a discussion which has mentioned assymetrical warfare, and what a cheap GPS unit + explosives could make a cheap drone into.
09:54 < dasunt> I'm thinking a model rocket (assuming it could handle a big enough payload) may be even cheaper.
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09:54  * dasunt waves to Homeland Security.
09:55 < dasunt> For a rocket, you need a GPS, a control board, a few movable surfaces for steering, etc.
09:56 < dasunt> I'm guessing less than $1000 for that.
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09:57 <@Dagmar> Not that I'm suggesting this but in a populated area you wouldn't need GPS
09:57 <@Dagmar> You could navigate based on wireless signals
09:57 < dasunt> True.
09:58 <@Dagmar> You'd still need a magenetometer for direction but you could work out pretty accurately where you were with the 30+ off SSIDs you can pick up at any given moment
09:58 < dasunt> Directional antenna?
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09:59 <@Dagmar> No, you'd just need the magnetometer to know which way you're facing
09:59 <@Dagmar> Seriously, run Wigle and wander around a downtown area
09:59 < dasunt> Oh I know.
09:59 <@Dagmar> Even getting out int he suburbs you're hard-pressed to see fewer than 8 SSIDs at once now
10:00 <@Dagmar> You can get within 50 feet of the correct location pretty easily based on SSIDs alone and more or less ignoring signal quality
10:03 < dasunt> I'm guessing the military stuff would be GPS though.  Perhaps with dead reckoning to fall back on?
10:04 < dasunt> Ye old terrorist fuckwit could rely on wifi.
10:08 <@Dagmar> _assymetrical warfare_
10:11 < dasunt> If I'm reading Mouser's part catalog correctly, GPS modules are pretty cheap.
10:11 <@Dagmar> They are
10:11 <@Dagmar> Go to sparkfun or adafruit and you can buy them
10:13 < dasunt> LOL, found this in r/rocketry:  "This needs to be in the side bar, or at least a sub rule. If you have to ask where to get resources and information to build engines, You should not be building engines."
10:26 < K`Tetch> yep
10:26 < K`Tetch> also been my rule on battlebots groups over hte past 15 years on "high pressure pneumatics" "massive KE spinners", and most recently "flamethrowers"
10:27 <@Dagmar> Go ahead and add "high-powered lasers" and "microwave emitters"
10:27 <@Dagmar> Someone's going to get there eventually
10:27 <@Dagmar> No sense in being caught flat footed
10:27 < K`Tetch> neither allowed int he rules
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10:28 <@Dagmar> Syzygy: You really do need to make more use of checking the status of hte last command.  The way you're changing directories could become much simpler as a result
10:28 <@Dagmar> !@#!@
10:30 < dasunt> K`Tetch: What about high voltage shocks?
10:32 < K`Tetch> voltage is also mostly limited
10:33 < K`Tetch> but electric discharge weapons, not allowed
10:33 < K`Tetch> basically only kinetic damage in one form or another
10:34  * K`Tetch hopes battlebots will hire him back again for the next season
10:34 < dasunt> Hmmmmm.
10:36 < dasunt> No projectiles either, correct?
10:36 < K`Tetch> pretty much, yes
10:37 < dasunt> What about harpoons connected to the bot?  Still not kosher?
10:39 < K`Tetch> sure, tethered is ok
10:39 < K`Tetch> good luck making them viable thoguh
10:40 < K`Tetch> 15 years ago my middleweight (110lber) was specced to stop a 9mm bullet, and we made that thing from all recycled gear for under $300 total
10:41 < K`Tetch> at season 4, I almost had my head taken off when pulling a camera cerw back, because of a dangerous bot, right as I pulled them back, the bot went through the arena wall, which we'd specc'd to stop a .454 magnum
10:43 < K`Tetch> that was 2x12mm lexan sheets sanwiched together in a flex mounting
10:46 < dasunt> Hmmmm.
11:58 < aestetix> I just watched a vox video explaning how kellyanne conway works
11:58 < aestetix> good god
11:59 < aestetix> she's almost as good at manipulation as trump is
11:59 < aestetix> they are both NLP masters
11:59 <@Dagmar> Gibbering random nonsense and then refusing to admit you're full of shit is _not_ the same thing as NLP
12:00 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-7fzHy3aG0
12:00 < PigBot> Title: Kellyanne Conways interview tricks, explained - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/h9sjdwy
12:01 < K`Tetch> they need to throw Jeremy Paxman at her
12:04 < K`Tetch> this was him interviewing the just-sacked home secretary in 1997 (home secretary is basically AG n the UK) https://youtu.be/Uwlsd8RAoqI?t=1m36s
12:04 < PigBot> Title: Jeremy Paxmans infamous Michael Howard interview - BBC - YouTube (at youtu.be) http://tinyurl.com/go4kcqh
12:08 < rattle> Wow.  I didn't even know snorting xanax was a thing.  http://thefreethoughtproject.com/deputy-snorting-xanax-crashes-school/
12:08 < PigBot> Title: On Duty Cop Passes Out While Snorting Xanax in Police Cruiser and Crashes Into Middle School (at thefreethoughtproject.com) http://tinyurl.com/zxmukgd
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15:37 < TheDukh> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/us/politics/mar-a-lago-north-korea-trump.html
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15:59 <@Dagmar> The kid is about to get his ass chewed today I think
16:00 <@Dagmar> He clearly thinks I should be the one to call ASUS technical support about his laptop
16:00 <@Dagmar> ...which is intermittently malfunctioning.
16:01 <@Dagmar> ...which is probably because two weeks ago when I had to go and pick him up he was pissed he didn't get to slip away and go hang out at a friends house after practice, and had to move his stuff from their trunk to the back of my car and *slammed* all of it in there just to show that he was pissed
16:01 <@Dagmar> Including the bag containing said laptop
16:01 <@Dagmar> ...which two days later he came to us all boo-hoo about the dongle for his mouse being broken.
16:01 <@Dagmar> He's going to get chewed out for being a lazy bitch and for insulting my intelligence
16:02 <@Dagmar> I'm not calling fucking tech support for him
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