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05:20 < aestetix> man
05:20 < aestetix> the sanders/cruz debate
05:20 < aestetix> is this what a debate without stupid election drama looks like?
06:07 < _NSAKEY> Have any of you guys ever set up a local mirror for a Debian-based distro's packages?
06:14 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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07:37 <@opticron>  _NSAKEY I know brimstone has
07:40 < _NSAKEY> opticron: I thought about what I was doing, and decided against.
07:41 < _NSAKEY> It was a netkoth-related idea, and I think I'm just going to make a gateway that blocks everything except the Kali repos and some other stuff.
08:14 < aestetix> ugh
08:14 < aestetix> was reading a code repo for a project
08:14 < aestetix> and there's a fucking code of conduct file in it
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09:09 <@benthemeek> aestetix: like what? Don't use this to oppress the people or something?
09:10 <@benthemeek> Any of you ever read "Ready Player One?"
09:11 <@benthemeek> Finished it over the weekend. That was quite fun, its essentially a love letter to the 80's and all things geek. Started Crytonomicon yesterday
09:12 <@Dolemite> Cryptonomicon is awesome.  After that, read Stephenson's Baroque Cycle.  The first book is the toughest to get through simply because there are so many plotlines to get started.
09:15 <@benthemeek> I had a very sheltered childhood so I have decided to see all the 80's I missed.
09:16 <@benthemeek> So saw Ferris buellers day out and wargames this week
09:16 <@Dolemite> You watched Stranger Things?
09:16 <@benthemeek> need to build a list
09:16 <@benthemeek> oh yeah
09:16 <@Dolemite> The Goonies
09:16 <@benthemeek> we had the superbowl on at my house as sort of background noise while we were board gaming
09:16 <@benthemeek> when that lego my ego commercial came on the whole house froze and was filled with cheering for like 3 min afterward
09:17 <@benthemeek> everyone was much more excited about stranger things than football :P
09:22 < rattle> Cryptnomicon is possibly my favorite book ever.
09:22 < aestetix> Cryptonomicon is great.
09:22 < aestetix> I also liked the Baroque Cycle, though it could have been.... shorter.
09:22 < aestetix> After I finished the Baroque Cycle I swore off Stephenson for a while
09:23 < rattle> I haven't read the Baroque Cycle yet, simply because it's length is daunting.  I've sorta decided that it's going to be one of those things I read when I retire or something.
09:23 < rattle> Reamedme was excellent too.
09:23 < rattle> I love his writing style.
09:23 < aestetix> Eh. I don't.
09:24 < aestetix> I also can't stand William Gibson. Stephenson is at least better than him.
09:24 < aestetix> I also got 100 pages into Game of Thrones before I put it down. So I guess do what you want with that.
09:24 <@benthemeek> The cycle is a trilogy that follows Crytonomicon?
09:25 < aestetix> benthemeek: yes
09:25 < aestetix> sort of
09:25 <@Dolemite> I'm not be big Gibson fan, but love Stephenson
09:25 <@Dolemite> benthemeek: It's a prequel.  As in waaaaaaaaay earlier timeline.
09:25 <@Dolemite> So it doesn't butt up the timelines
09:25 <@benthemeek> ah
09:25 < aestetix> Gibson is about as bad as Cory Doctorow, IMHO
09:25 <@benthemeek> HAve you read snowcrash?
09:25 <@Dolemite> Yes, love Snow Crash
09:26 <@Dolemite> Baroque Cycle takes place in Isaac Newton's time
09:26 <@benthemeek> Thats the only other one of his I have read. After reading Ready Player One I was so wanting more I was hoping to find another book like it and snowcrash
09:26 <@Dolemite> Cryptonomicon takes place WWII and after
09:26 < aestetix> Baroque Cycle is basically about the war between Newton and Liebniz
09:26 <@benthemeek> I have all the Daniel Suarez books too which were similar
09:27 <@Dolemite> aestetix: That's an oversimplification.  They're present in the books, but neither of them is truly a central character.
09:27 < aestetix> Thus "basically"
09:28 <@benthemeek> So is Neuromancer worth trying? I guess not if you are Aestetix :)
09:28 <@Dolemite> I read the Baroque Cycle while I took my 2 week vacation in England.  It made it more connective to me as I visited Newton's tomb in London.
09:28 < aestetix> benthemeek: I haven't read Gibson's work. I've made it a couple pages into a few books before tossing it away
09:28 <@benthemeek> That had to be cool. Did you watch the new Cosmos Dolemite?
09:29 < aestetix> benthemeek: so do with that what you want
09:29 <@Dolemite> I did
09:29 <@Dolemite> I've read Neuromancer.  It was good, but nowhere near as good as Snow Crash, IMHO.
09:29 < aestetix> .... they rebooted Cosmos?
09:29 <@benthemeek> I honestly didn't know much about Newton and his contributions before Cosmos
09:29 <@Dolemite> Yes, with Neil Degrasse Tyson as the host
09:29 <@benthemeek> Yeah, and I liked it at least
09:30 <@benthemeek> I have a couple of really critical friends that just say Sagan is irreplaceable and that because Seth MacFarlane was involved it was ruined
09:31 < aestetix> I've only seen a bit of the original Cosmos, but Carl Sagan sounded like he was constipated
09:31 <@benthemeek> \In order to make an apple pie, you must first invent the Universe"
09:32 <@benthemeek> I'm misquoting, but I was late to the Cosmos game
09:32 < aestetix> warm apple pie
09:33 < rattle> The thing about Gibson is that his work is sort of juvenile, which isn't bad.  It's part of it's charm.  His books are the sort of thing you want to find as a teenager.
09:33 <@benthemeek> Most of everything I have seen has been youtube from the original
09:33 < aestetix> rattle: ahhhh ok that makes more sense
09:33 < rattle> He's said as much about his own writing too.
09:33 <@Dolemite> rattle: I mostly respect Gibson for being early to the game in several concepts
09:33 < aestetix> so ideally Gibson is something you take up around the same time you read Atlas Shrugged
09:33 < rattle> Basically.
09:33 <@benthemeek> Dolemite did you read Deamon?
09:34 <@Dolemite> I don't recall
09:34 < rattle> I love all his books.  But that's in part because I read them when I was the age they were basically targeted for.
09:34 <@Dolemite> I've read most of Stephenson's long form, but some are more memorable than others
09:34 <@benthemeek> If you like snowcrash try that one
09:34 <@Dolemite> Zodiac, for instance
09:34 <@Dolemite> I also loved The Diamond Age
09:35 < rattle> Snowcrash is a like Stephenson's Gibson novel.  :)
09:35 < rattle> That is a truly fun read, but filled with gigantic plot holes.
09:36 <@benthemeek> Well I will embark of reading as much Stephenson and Gibson as I can I think
09:36 <@benthemeek> I like the tone
09:36 < rattle> Not a bad move.  Thumbs up.
09:36 <@benthemeek> we will see about gibson
09:36 < aestetix> benthemeek: actually the book I'm 3/4 through, you would love
09:36 < aestetix> "The Magic Mountain" by Thomas Mann
09:37 < rattle> Interesting thing about Snowcrash, and also why it has so many story holes..  The story line was originally developed to be an interactive CD-ROM.
09:37 < aestetix> rattle: wtf?
09:37 < rattle> After that project fell apart, Stephenson just worked it into a novel.
09:37 < aestetix> ahhhhh
09:37 < rattle> That's why the book is so visual.
09:37 < aestetix> Didn't that book come out in like 1992?
09:38 < rattle> The cliche way ahead of it's time thing...
09:38 <@benthemeek> aestetix: The magic mountain looks heavy :P I am trying to escape here..
09:38 < aestetix> oh lol
09:38 < aestetix> IIRC wasn't it kind of a big deal to have a CD drive in your computer in 1992?
09:39 < dfused> piers anthony xanth novels
09:39 <@benthemeek> I really liked wargames (saw it for the first time last night). I need to see Tron and Sneakers
09:39 <@benthemeek> Totally missed out on the era
09:39 < rattle> You are doing the right things.  :)
09:40 < aestetix> trying to remember the tech from 1992
09:40 < aestetix> snow crash must have been being developed with hypercard or something
09:41 < rattle> There were a lot of interactive cdrom projects folks were trying to do around then, under the assumption that the technology that was going to be around 1994-6 was around..  Which, it was, I guess.
09:41 < rattle> There were some neat things from that time period.  Find this one sometime if you can:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Day_on_the_Midway
09:41 < PigBot> Title: Bad Day on the Midway - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/gtb9ls5
09:41 < aestetix> btw
09:41 < aestetix> http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/media/view_video.php?pk_vid=0000010885
09:41 < PigBot> Title: Watch recording for State of Washington, et. al. v. Donald J. Trump, et. al., No. 17-35105 (at www.ca9.uscourts.gov) http://tinyurl.com/hbgogpa
09:41 < aestetix> If you listen to this, it is clear that the Trump EO were drafted months ago, and very carefully
09:45 < TheDukh> http://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/i-work-from-home
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