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05:46 < rattle> aestetix:  http://www.businessinsider.com/book-steve-bannon-is-obsessed-with-the-fourth-turning-2017-2
05:46 < PigBot> Title: Book Steve Bannon is obsessed with The Fourth Turning - Business Insider (at www.businessinsider.com) http://tinyurl.com/j5eup4m
06:13 < aestetix> lolol
06:14 < aestetix> rattle: btw, as far as I can tell, the one institutional that has survived such turnings is the catholic chuch
06:14 < aestetix> church
06:15 < aestetix> well and maybe a couple monarchies
06:16 < rattle> The Catholic church has had several major internal crisis periods.  It's just survived all of them.
06:16 < aestetix> yeah I was just thinking that
06:16 < aestetix> all the different schisms, etc
06:16 < rattle> One of my friends who is seriously into Catholic doctrine rambles often that they are due for one.
06:17 < aestetix> I've actually wondered if Francis is going to convene another council
06:19 < aestetix> hmm
06:19 < aestetix> Vatican 2 was in the 60s
06:19 < aestetix> and that was nearly 60 years ago
06:20 < aestetix> If whatever nonsense Trump starts winds up being as bad as WW2, then maybe we'll have another council
06:20 < aestetix> Although the big difference is that Germany was a catholic country and Hitler was raised catholic
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06:43 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:43  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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07:45 < aestetix> wait
07:45 < aestetix> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/06/trump-leaked-transcripts-mexico-australia-calls-disgraceful.html
07:45 < aestetix> where are the transcripts?
07:45 < PigBot> Title: Trump: Leaked transcripts of Mexico, Australia calls 'disgraceful' | Fox News (at www.foxnews.com) http://tinyurl.com/gny6bdh
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08:09 < rattle> There were press leaks, so they'll keep the chattel close to protect the source.
08:11 < rattle> There raw ones will turn up, but not before whoevers back is covered, of they went down.  Old school style leaking..  Not Wikileaking.
08:12 < rattle> s/of/or/
08:18 < aestetix> rattle: btw, I had a dream about Rex Tillerson
08:18 < aestetix> In the dream I was all worried about him. He was a train conductor and I was afraid he was going to derail the train
08:18 < aestetix> but then he showed up with a really nice picture and put it on the wall in the train
08:19 < aestetix> and for some reason I thought, wow this is such a pretty picture, he can't be that bad after al
08:19 < rattle> You made this shit up to make a joke.  I can tell already.  Go on.
08:19 < aestetix> nope
08:19 < aestetix> this was an actual dream
08:19 < rattle> Ok ok.  I'm trying to believe you.  Go on.
08:19 < aestetix> that's it
08:19 < aestetix> that was the dream
08:19 < rattle> Yep, you didn't make it up.  Otherwise there would be a better punchline.
08:20 < rattle> That's lame dude.
08:20 < rattle> What was the picture of?  (I'm giving you a chance here to deliver, mutherfucker.)
08:20 < aestetix> I don't fucking remember
08:20 < rattle> Seriously.  This is how I'm starting Monday.
08:20 < rattle> Fuck you man.
08:21 < aestetix> But maybe it means he won't be all that bad
08:21 < rattle> Here, I'll help you out with this.  It was a picture of Cassandra.  That narrative works.
08:21 < aestetix> heh
08:22 < rattle> This one:  http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MgrsIjNpqmQ/Uv55YTmBbqI/AAAAAAAAAcs/Hz7wglgYwlA/s1600/Cassandra1.jpeg
08:22 < PigBot> rattle: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 30480 bytes.
08:22 < rattle> That was the picture.
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08:26 < dfused> fuck you, monday
08:28 < sol1d> ^
08:59 < aestetix> http://thehill.com/homenews/318031-torture-memos-author-john-yoo-says-trump-has-gone-too-far
08:59 < PigBot> Title: Torture Memos author John Yoo says Trump has gone too far | TheHill (at thehill.com) http://tinyurl.com/zmy3juq
08:59 < aestetix> you know, when John Yoo is giving you the "yo hold up" sign....
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09:47 < TheDukh> http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/donald-trump-unhappy-his-ratings-arent-better
09:47 < PigBot> Title: Donald Trump Is Unhappy That His Ratings Arent Better | Mother Jones (at www.motherjones.com) http://tinyurl.com/ze6jh76
09:47 <@Dolemite> Pro Tip:  Stop acting like Donald Trump
10:02 < aestetix> http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/02/civics-education-trump-bullying
10:02 < PigBot> Title: Why Teaching Civics in Americas Classrooms Must Be a Trump-Era Priority | Mother Jones (at www.motherjones.com) http://tinyurl.com/jf9wh8j
10:02 < aestetix> I wonder if the Bush era policies of overtesting kids has lead to this Trump crap
10:03 < oddball> So the next generation actually knows how our elections work?
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10:06 < dasunt> Nah, Trump happened because the Democrats are idiots.
10:06 < dasunt> Admittedly, the Democrats have been idiots for a long time, but it finally caught up with them.
10:09 < dasunt> Yes, I'm being blunt, but at the end of Obama's term, unemployment was down, economy was looking pretty good, banks were reigned in to prevent another 2008-style meltdown, and insurance companies were required to actually provide coverage.
10:09 < aestetix> And they ran Hillary
10:10 < oddball> dasunt: I'm actually going to have to agree with you 100% on that.
10:12 < oddball> It dawned on me the other day that Trump actually ran a much more positive campaign than Hillary.  She didn't seem to have much in her tool box beyond "sling mud! sling mud!!"
10:13 < oddball> While his campaign was positive to the point that everyone was making fun of him being confident to the point of delusion.
10:13 < dasunt> Here's another problem - what was Trump'
10:13 < dasunt> Here's another problem - what was Trump's policies during his campaign?  I can rattle off several.
10:13 < dasunt> Now what were Hillary's policies?  Hmmm, gotta think on that one.
10:14 < oddball> The only one I can really think of was that she was going to "defeat the NRA" and pass new gun laws.
10:14 < oddball> Which, again, was framed as "we need to beat the evil opposition."
10:16 < rattle> She had a very robust policy portfolio.  It was well documented.  But it was all wonkish.  Only policy professionals could parse it.  It wasn't sound bites.
10:16 < oddball> Oh, and dear left wingers: please stop making me want to defend shit heads like Milo what's-his-name.  You can't have mobs show up, burn shit, break stuff, and pepperspray folks with the intent of shutting down a peaceful talk and claim that the other side have Brown Shirts.
10:16 < dasunt> She had a few vague "help out the workers" policies she adopted to head off Bernie.
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10:19 < dasunt> oddball: If IIRC, the "brownshirts" were the more liberal wing of the NAZI party.
10:19 <@oddball> You and your "facts"
10:20 < dasunt> I'm not sure how liberal they are on the modern spectrum, but I believe Hitler attacked the SA after he seized power because he was worried that the SA would want more worker-based reforms.
10:21 <@oddball> One popular theory is that they were useful idiots, and they stopped being useful.
10:21 < aestetix> I do kind of get a kick out of "punch a nazi"
10:21 < aestetix> because it's attacking violence with... violence
10:22 <@oddball> Except the actual incident was "guy standing on a street corner doing an interview with some press gets sucker punched."
10:22 < aestetix> yep
10:23 <@oddball> Which is not fucking cool.
10:23 < dasunt> Also, technically I don't believe he was a Nazi.
10:23 < aestetix> also, if someone is a nazi, I don't really care. if they commit a crime because they are a nazi, I care a lot
10:23 < aestetix> you're welcome to believe whatever stupid ideology. you're not welcome to hurt someone because of it
10:24 <@oddball> Right.  It's pretty damn simple.  "Are they being violent/inciting violence?  no?  Then you can't punch them."
10:24 < aestetix> I have had violence threatened to me because I defended the KKK's right to exist
10:24 < aestetix> When I was still in oakland
10:24 < aestetix> they did not see the irony in this
10:24 <@oddball> "oh.  They said/believe things that you disagree with?  And that's it?  NO, YOU CAN NOT PUNCH THEM."
10:25 < dasunt> Well the explanation is that their ideology is so harmful that it's implicit violence.
10:25 <@oddball> Yeah.  Actually believing in free speech is hard.
10:25 < dasunt> Or so that's what people have told me.
10:25 < aestetix> dasunt: that's stupid nonsense
10:26 < aestetix> I've started to think it's all due to post-modernism.
10:26 < dasunt> I'm not so sure, if white supremacists are so dangerous to require violence to fight, let's go further, kidnap one, and start sending pieces of him to other white supremacists.
10:26 <@oddball> dasunt: Given current events, I could make the case that that describes liberals.  Should I be allowed to punch a lefty?
10:26 < aestetix> The kind of idiocy that pushes political correctness, and believes that everything is a social construct.
10:26 < dasunt> oddball: Yes.  And bomb abortion clinics.
10:27  * dasunt sighs.
10:28 < dasunt> Remember when the left used to stand behind defending the rights of anyone?
10:33 < aestetix> well this new left is the same group that denied gay men a spot on an LGBT group because they were too privileged
10:33 < aestetix> lol
10:33 <@oddball> ha! I had forgotten about that~
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15:21 < dasunt> systemd broke nohup??
15:22 < sol1d> embrace bsd
15:31 < dasunt> Right now, I'm embracing Excel.  Kind of like how I'd imagine an iron maiden would embrace me.
15:39 < remoford1> real men use csv, awk and gnuplot
15:48 < dasunt> I'm in the office, so I can't.
15:48 < dasunt> Instead, I get plenty of time to wonder why Excel is so damn slow.
15:48 < sol1d> all those office macros
15:50 < dasunt> There's none.  And I'm using relatively simple formulas on a small spreadsheet.
15:51 < dasunt> Btw, I am thinking of going back to BSD.  Linux is getting kinda odd lately.
15:52 < sol1d> that was a spear phishing joke
15:53 < sol1d> check out hardenedbsd
15:53 < sol1d> i follow it and have it on rpi3
15:54 < dasunt> I've used OpenBSD before, and it wasn't bad.
16:09 < dasunt> I guess it's still possible to strip systemd from Debian.  Dunno what that'll break though.
16:10 < sol1d> try Arch
16:11 < sol1d> or Slack
16:13 < dasunt> Slack seems...  primitive.
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16:16 < remoford1> is gentoo still a thing?
16:23 < sol1d> sure
16:27 < remoford1> hard to belive ive not run a nix in two years
16:27 < remoford1> i wonder how long i have to be in recovery before the dreams stop
16:29 < sol1d> im sure you do and just don't know it
16:29 < sol1d> all those embeded devices at home?
16:29 < remoford1> i mean in a professional capacity
16:29 < remoford1> obviously i have a microwave
16:29 < sol1d> same thing applies to corp, lots of garbge, everywhere
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16:30 < sol1d> just isolate it from the important stuff
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