--- Log opened Tue Jan 31 00:00:15 2017 01:27 -!- klixa-cloud [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ybntrrfqgmdrafcu] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 01:57 -!- rpifan [~rpi@73.106.74.214] has joined #se2600 02:02 -!- rpifan [~rpi@73.106.74.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] --- Log closed Tue Jan 31 03:20:36 2017 --- Log opened Tue Jan 31 03:20:45 2017 03:20 -!- Evilpig [~wilpig@96-80-184-99-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #se2600 03:20 -!- Irssi: #se2600: Total of 37 nicks [12 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 25 normal] 03:20 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Evilpig] by ChanServ 03:20 -!- PigBot [~pigbot@96-80-184-99-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #se2600 03:20 -!- Irssi: Join to #se2600 was synced in 16 secs 03:59 -!- rpifan [~rpi@73.106.74.214] has joined #se2600 04:03 -!- rpifan [~rpi@73.106.74.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:15 < fie_> https://devnull-as-a-service.com 06:15 < PigBot> Title: Home - /dev/null as a Service (at devnull-as-a-service.com) http://tinyurl.com/huzkl6t 06:25 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 07:04 * aestetix hugs Dolemite 07:17 < xray> Oh that is just too funny. We got quite a laugh out of it. 07:38 < aestetix> jesus 07:39 < aestetix> rattle is right. the comments about all the trump drama show people have no clue how the governmnet works 07:50 -!- eryc [~eric@internetjanitor.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:59 -!- eryc [~eric@internetjanitor.com] has joined #se2600 07:59 -!- eryc [~eric@internetjanitor.com] has quit [Changing host] 07:59 -!- eryc [~eric@unaffiliated/internetjanitor] has joined #se2600 07:59 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o eryc] by ChanServ 08:00 -!- rpifan [~rpi@73.106.75.138] has joined #se2600 08:04 -!- rpifan [~rpi@73.106.75.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:09 -!- rpifan [~rpi@73.106.75.138] has joined #se2600 08:23 < rattle> It's worse than that. 08:23 < rattle> Not only do they not understand how it works, they are actively trying to disassemble as much of it as they can. 08:24 < rattle> I've had some very disturbing conversations over the past few days. 08:26 -!- rpifan [~rpi@73.106.75.138] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:32 < aestetix_> rattle: it reminds me of discussions with people who don't bother trying to use the police/legal system because they have "lost faith" in it 08:33 < aestetix_> This came up a *lot* during the Jake drama. All kinds of accusations, and not a single police report filed. 08:33 < aestetix_> And that's as much as I'm going to say about that topic :) 08:34 < rattle> Yeah, that's a weird parallel to draw. 08:34 < aestetix_> I'm just saying, it's another instance where I got into heated arguments that resulted in the other saying "oh well there's no point" 08:35 < aestetix_> And it's not that strange if you look at the underlying anger and furor. 08:35 < aestetix_> I guess in the last 30 years everyone just got really stupid and really angry. 08:36 < xray> Idiocracy 08:36 <@Dolemite> That's also what got us into this mess - disenfranchised voters who felt there was no point, so they didn't show up. Hence Trump's victory with so few votes. 08:36 < aestetix_> IE the number of people I've had to correct and say impeachment does not mean removal from office 08:36 < aestetix_> "Clinton did NOT get impeached" "actually, he did...." 08:36 <@Dolemite> He was the first sitting President to actually be impeached. Jackson almost did. Nixon avoided it by resigning. 08:37 -!- aestetix [aestetix@pinky.ratman.org] has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:37 -!- aestetix_ is now known as aestetix 08:37 < aestetix> Dolemite: Johnson was impeached. 08:37 <@Dolemite> I thought he was saved by one vote 08:38 < aestetix> That was in the senate 08:38 <@Dolemite> And I guess it was Johnson, not Jackson, though Jackson was despised by many in Congress. 08:38 < aestetix> yep 08:38 <@Dolemite> Both, of course, are taught in TN history 08:39 < aestetix> IIRC..... Congress passed a law saying the president could not fire a cabinet member. And his cabinet members were all consipring against him 08:39 < aestetix> So he fired one, and that was the grounds for impeachment 08:40 < aestetix> unsure about the others 08:41 < aestetix> I just don't understand why everyone is eager to get into the streets, but doesn't bother to go to city hall 08:42 <@Dolemite> Ok, yeah, Johnson was impeached, but not convicted. Clinton was the first. 08:42 < aestetix> no 08:42 < aestetix> impeachment is simply the accusation 08:43 < aestetix> er, the formal charges 08:43 <@Dolemite> Impeachment is the formal action of removing the person from the office of the President so that they can stand trial. 08:43 < aestetix> "Impeachment is the process by which a legislative body formally levels charges against a high official of Government. " 08:43 <@Dolemite> Well, temporarily severing the person from teh office in the eyes of the courts 08:44 < aestetix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment 08:44 < PigBot> Title: Impeachment - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/cnt3qgy 08:44 <@Dolemite> But Clinton was the first US President to be convicted of the crimes under which he was impeached 08:44 < aestetix> Incorrect. 08:44 < aestetix> Clinton was acquitted by the senate 08:45 <@Dolemite> Ok, yep, you're right. I was thinking that he was convicted of lying to Congress and was censured. 08:45 < aestetix> right 08:45 < aestetix> EVERYONE thinks that. 08:46 < aestetix> Well no, everyone thinks that impeachment == removal from office 08:46 < aestetix> You'd think this would not be a problem given that it HAPPENED less than 20 years ago 08:47 < aestetix> then again, 1998 was also the year reality tv started getting popular 08:47 <@Dolemite> Well I knew that they were two separate processes. 08:47 * aestetix nods 08:48 <@Dolemite> Yeah, back when Clinton's hands were allowed to roam, MTV still played music videos. Granted, most of them were rap and sucked, but still. 08:50 < aestetix> Is there any english speaking media that doesn't completely suck? 08:50 <@Dolemite> They all suck to some degree 08:50 < aestetix> so on an unrelated note 08:50 < aestetix> Dolemite: you're involved in scouts, right? 08:50 <@Dolemite> yes 08:50 < aestetix> Curious what you think of this latest news 08:51 <@Dolemite> I want all the kids to be in Scouts 08:51 < aestetix> I guess I'm wondering why this is even a topic for kids that young 08:51 <@Dolemite> I have boys that have been with me for 5 years, now. They all feel awkward and unsure of their place in this world, and Scouts has been a safe harbor for them. 08:52 < aestetix> right 08:53 <@Dolemite> So at the Cub Scout level, it's really not going to be much of an issue - while there are some trans kids that know at an early age, most really don't seem to realize it until puberty hits, which would be the age range for actual Boy Scouts. 08:53 <@Dolemite> BSA already has multiple co-ed programs - from Explorers, to STEM Scouts, to Venturing. 08:54 <@Dolemite> It still can't open the doors to girls (and that's due to the Congressional Charter for BSA and GSA specifically basing it on gender) 08:54 <@Dolemite> But since GSA doesn't have a STEM or High Adventure element, they can get away with going co-ed for those groups 08:56 < aestetix> Have there been any actual cases of this? 08:57 <@Dolemite> There have long been cases where 'tomboys' would want to join. I can tell you that in Cub Scouts we include the entire family, and in many cases the sisters are more into the program than the actual scouts, but only the actual scout can earn the awards. 08:58 < aestetix> What about the brownies? 08:59 <@Dolemite> There have been a few cases I've seen in the press where a transgender girl-to-boy has lobbied to join. It has been overlooked or deferred to the Charter Organization in the past, but only for Cubs. The big issue here is that trans have never been able to attain Eagle Scout. 08:59 <@Dolemite> Brownies are K-1st rank for GSA. What about them? 08:59 < aestetix> oh ok. 08:59 < aestetix> So brownies don't have a version of eagle scout? 08:59 <@Dolemite> GSA has gotten away from doing things outdoors. They don't camp, they glamp. 09:00 <@Dolemite> The organizational structure between the two is very different. To the point that I argue that GSA really has no support structure. 09:01 <@Dolemite> And despite all of the cookies that the girls have to peddle, GSA camp experiences are still way overpriced. The Council eats up way too much money in overhead and there's very little actual benefit to the girls. 09:01 < aestetix> So basically, BSA is well organized, and GSA is kind of a chaotic mess? 09:01 <@Dolemite> My daughter's troop (my wife is the leader and I help from time to time) got the maximum possible commission last year - $0.75 per box of cookies sold. 09:02 <@Dolemite> On a $4 or $5 box of cookies, that's ridiculous. The Council takes the lion's share of the money. 09:04 <@Dolemite> For Boy Scout Popcorn, a $10 tin of popcorn gets divided up such that the Pack gets $3.50, the Council gets $3.50, and the supplier gets $3. My son can go to summer camp for 7 days and it will cost us $230. Our GSA council sells way more cookies than the BSA sells popcorn (in revenue numbers) and the cheapest my daughter can go to camp is about $350 for 3 nights. 09:04 < aestetix> Why is the girl stuff so much more expensive? 09:05 <@Dolemite> That's a very good question. I haven't been able to come up with a valid answer because it's so hard to get any real information out of the GSA. 09:05 < aestetix> So the BSA seems way more appealing. 09:06 <@Dolemite> From a parent standpoint - yes, the BSA is much more stable provides real, perceived value. 09:06 <@Dolemite> The BSA tried to collaborate with the GSA on STEM Scouts. GSA decided they wanted to try something on their own, so BSA developed their version, which is now rolling out nationwide. The GSA effort stalled, and now they have nothing. They continually do things to shoot themselves in the foot. 09:08 < aestetix> I guess I'm mainly trying to figure out where this comes from. The news is very strange. 09:09 <@Dolemite> While the GSA likes to tweet out messages about empowering girls, their actions speak differently. They act more like pimps to get the girls to push the cookies and then return very little value to the units. 09:10 <@Dolemite> Now, that being said... my stance on GSA is actually softer than most people I run into here in East TN. Not because of the politics of GSA, but because the local council had several really good camps that they ran for decades.... but the national GSA stepped in and took over them and decided to run them differently and de-emphasize the actual camping aspects of Girl Scouts. 09:11 < aestetix> Isn't the whole point of scouts to teach survival skills? 09:11 <@Dolemite> But every adult I talk to around here that is still involved in GSA feels the same - that they get very little value out of the Council, that the Council takes too much of the commission, and that they only continue because there are no other real options for their daughters. 09:12 <@Dolemite> Well, GSA wasn't so much about survival skills as basic life skills. However, that has turned more into home economics these days. 09:13 < aestetix> Which isn't taught in school anymore 09:13 <@opticron> the only alternative I know of is YMCA's Y-Guides 09:13 <@opticron> but I don't really know how well they compare 09:13 <@Dolemite> A scout is Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean and Reverent. 09:14 <@Dolemite> Everything we do in BSA is based upon one or more of those 12 principles of the Scout Law 09:14 < aestetix> http://www.wtae.com/article/boy-scouts-of-america-to-allow-transgender-children-who-identify-as-boys-to-enroll/8656448 09:14 < aestetix> so here's a question 09:14 < PigBot> Title: Boy Scouts will allow transgender children into programs (at www.wtae.com) http://tinyurl.com/h3yazdp 09:14 < aestetix> "A transgender child in Secaucus, New Jersey, was asked late last year to leave his Scout troop after parents and leaders found out he is transgender." 09:14 < aestetix> what does that mean 09:15 < aestetix> I really hope the parents were not drugging that kid with hormones 09:17 <@Dolemite> What does that mean? The parents of the trans kid tried to support their child by letting him dress and act as a boy, even though he had the parts of a girl. They knew they couldn't be honest and be a part of BSA, so they tried to fool the leaders and parents, but you can only fool them for so long. 09:18 < aestetix> oh ok 09:18 < aestetix> I kept seeing all these comments about giving children hormones 09:20 <@Dolemite> So the Charter Organization for my Pack is an Episcopal Church. I have no doubt that they will embrace this new rule. There are other units chartered by evangelical churches. I have no doubt that they will not like this new rule. However, they also understand that they can set their own standards for being in the unit, as the unit is simply an extension of the Charter Organization. 09:20 <@Dolemite> What this new ruling does is say, "You may not want trans kids in your Boy Scout unit, but you can't pin that on the Boy Scouts. That's your own bias." 09:21 <@Dolemite> It's exactly the same outcome of when the BSA decided to no longer exclude boys who identify as gay 09:22 <@Dolemite> Ok, the Grammar Trump in me says I have to address that. I put quotes around a paraphrase, not an actual quote. 09:22 <@Dolemite> Oh, excuse me. Not Grammar Trump. Grammar Nazi. 09:49 <@Dolemite> Ok, how is boycotting the votes on the HHS and Treasury confirmations going to do any good? Won't the Senate still have a quorum - just much less of a dissenting number? 09:57 < K`Tetch> Dolemite - BSA is viewed qite strangely by other scounting orgs, especially the British one 09:58 * K`Tetch now runs one of the few Navigator troops (#100) in Georgia 10:00 < dasunt> Everytime I hear another trans story, I realize I'm missing some sort of cultural conditioning where I'm supposed to be shocked. 10:01 * dasunt shrugs. 10:10 < K`Tetch> funny thing - my navigator troop is sponsored by a methodist church, the main leader is the lay-leader there. But it's mainly because she's part of a lesbian couple, and son wasn't 'approved' of in BSA 10:16 <@benthemeek> Dolemite: That link you shared on FB is excellent: https://medium.com/@SeanBlanda/the-other-side-is-not-dumb-2670c1294063#.7naxqbe98 10:16 < PigBot> Title: The “Other Side” Is Not Dumb. – Sean Blanda – Medium (at medium.com) http://tinyurl.com/hn9lya6 10:16 < dasunt> Well that will teach their son to have lesbian parents! 10:17 < aestetix> you know 10:18 < aestetix> I'm all about letting people be who they are 10:18 < aestetix> supportive, and so on 10:18 < aestetix> although I will admit the trend of using "they" as a pronoun is fucking annoying 10:20 < dasunt> aestetix: That's because you are a language elitist. 10:20 < dasunt> :p 10:22 < dasunt> Hmmm, looking that up, I think I'm wrong - I thought the historic trend away from the singular they was due to people trying to make English into Latin, but I can't find anything to back that up. 10:22 < K`Tetch> maybe you and my eldest can argue it out at dcon this year aestetix 10:22 < aestetix> well 10:22 < aestetix> K`Tetch: well I first encountered this with an aquaintance jizz lee 10:23 < K`Tetch> my eldest prefers 'they' 10:23 < aestetix> up until around 2009, they were the only one I knew who used that, and it was very very unique to them 10:23 < aestetix> every tranny (now you have to say trans) I know is either "he" or "she" 10:23 < aestetix> with the exception of one person 10:24 < aestetix> and when I say "trans" I mean on hormones, in therapy, with plans for an operation at some point 10:24 < K`Tetch> tranny and trans is different 10:24 < K`Tetch> tranny = transvestite 10:24 < aestetix> K`Tetch: that's a new meaning added to it 10:24 < aestetix> And I mean ok sure it's fine 10:25 < aestetix> but jesus the villification over using "tranny" these days 10:25 < K`Tetch> tell me aout it, i have to live with it 10:25 < aestetix> heh 10:26 < aestetix> but I mean 10:26 < aestetix> in 2009/2010 jizz lee was the only one I knew who used 'they" 10:26 < aestetix> and that was in the alt porn community 10:27 < dasunt> I still don't see the big deal. 10:27 < aestetix> it has definitely turned into a trend in the last couple years 10:27 < aestetix> dasunt: the issue is if you "mess up", an entire fleet of SJWs attacks you over it 10:27 < aestetix> and it's really hard to keep pronouns straight. especially if someone changes them over time 10:28 < dasunt> As long as you aren't acting rude, the SJWers are free to feel whatever they want, but it's not your fault. 10:28 < aestetix> dasunt: I agree 10:28 < aestetix> dasunt: but you haven't been to the bay area recently :) 10:29 < aestetix> accidentally calling a "they" he or she is a death sentence there 10:29 < aestetix> when jizz lee was doing it, it was a very meta exercize on concepts 10:30 < dasunt> Don't live in the bay area, I guess. 10:30 < aestetix> like people would ask "wait why?" and have a 5 hour conversation on the topic 10:30 < aestetix> which is great 10:30 < aestetix> but now it's turned into a narcissistic obsession 10:30 < dasunt> (Do people actually live in the bay area? Mere mortals, I mean. Aren't houses like five gazillion dollars there?) 10:30 < aestetix> that is another fantastic question :) 10:32 < dasunt> Do we have proof that the bay area even exists? 10:32 < dasunt> The bay area may be a liberal lie. 10:33 < K`Tetch> the last two times I worked in the bay area, I stayed first of all in Portola valley (wll, next to the tank place at hte top of the mountain to be exact) and the second time in Sausalito 10:34 < K`Tetch> also, taxi from sausalito to treasure island is really expensive if you want to get there quick, so go around rather than through SF 10:34 < aestetix> oh wow 10:35 < aestetix> well also sausalito is fucking expensive 10:35 < aestetix> but yeah going from there to treasure island... 10:37 < aestetix> K`Tetch: how long has your oldest been a "they"? 10:37 < K`Tetch> ~4 years, maybe 10:38 < aestetix> fun 10:38 < dasunt> K`Tetch: If you don't mind me asking - trans, genderqueer, or just trying to annoy you? 10:39 < K`Tetch> oh, and my first time driving a left hand drive car, or a minivan, or an automatic... back from treasure island to sausalito, at 1am that night, after workign 18 hours 10:39 < K`Tetch> trans, ftm 10:39 < aestetix> interesting 10:39 < aestetix> that's way less common than mtf 11:02 < aestetix> well 11:02 < aestetix> As of this moment, I will no longer support the ACLU 11:02 < aestetix> https://medium.com/ycombinator/welcome-aclu-e45e27aedb6e 11:02 < PigBot> Title: Welcome, ACLU – Y Combinator – Medium (at medium.com) http://tinyurl.com/h7dga7h 11:05 < dasunt> What's wrong with the ACLU? 11:05 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:fc34:d12c:1548:81dd] has quit [] 11:05 < aestetix> They just joined Y-Combinator 11:06 < aestetix> as a non-profit startup 11:06 <@opticron> that thing you just said. it does not make sense. 11:06 < aestetix> I know. 11:07 < aestetix> I like the ACLU, but I hate YC so much that it cancels out how much I like the ACLU 11:07 < dasunt> Why do you hate YC? 11:07 < aestetix> That is a long and complicated topic 11:07 < aestetix> But IMHO they are largely responsible for the fascist destruction of the bay area 11:08 < dasunt> I'd assume the bay area would be on the more liberal end of the spectrum. 11:09 < dasunt> LOL: http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/30/investing/trump-rally-stocks-travel-ban/index.html?iid=EL 11:09 < PigBot> Title: Will Trump kill the Trump rally? - Jan. 30, 2017 (at money.cnn.com) http://tinyurl.com/zeqq5l9 11:20 < dasunt> In regards to the trans conversation we were having: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/transgender-school-policies-bathrooms-student-voices-1.3589717 11:20 < PigBot> Title: Transgender bathroom debate has students wondering 'what the big deal is' - Canada - CBC News (at www.cbc.ca) http://tinyurl.com/zvnfcum 11:28 < K`Tetch> right, even I was like 'whats the issue?' 11:29 < K`Tetch> then again, I was only brought up in an all-boys church school (with an archbishop as govenor) that had its own chapel, was an alter boy at church, in a country that actually does have a state religion, and I'm "jesus, fucking bible-freaks need to tone down on the religion" 11:30 < K`Tetch> hell, I still have the hymn book I was issued at school, in september 92 11:46 <@Dagmar> It's actually pretty simple. 11:46 <@Dagmar> Churches in America actually experience _competition_. 11:47 <@Dagmar> The way this competition manifests is the race to be "The Most Holy". 11:47 < K`Tetch> you don't think there's not competition int he UK? there's CoE, catholic, methodist, there's judaism, islam, etc. 11:47 <@Dagmar> The way they define who is holiest is by coming up with a myriad of things to forbid and/or declare to be the machinations of Satan. 11:48 <@Dagmar> Dude, I could list the "Christian" church variants just within ten miles of my damn house and it would fill your screen. 11:48 < K`Tetch> yeah, we keep our 'no true scotsman' fallacy, to scotsman 11:48 < K`Tetch> I jsut did a 1.2 mile walk to the post office and back, and I passed 7 churches, and this is right down town 11:48 <@Dagmar> There's _dozens_ of different subsects of Christianity here 11:49 <@Dagmar> ...all in a race to be the holiest. 11:49 <@Dagmar> Down in Murfreesboro there are more seats in churches than there are _people_ living in Murfreesboro 11:51 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: And don't forget the strategic building of churches in places like Smyrna, designed to keep restaurants that serve alcohol from building. 11:51 <@Dagmar> Yep 11:51 < _NSAKEY> They didn't act in time to cripple Sam Ridley Pkwy from becoming its own little boom town, but they afflicted other areas with that particular legal loophole. 11:51 < K`Tetch> yeah, I live in rural GA, Dagmar 11:52 < K`Tetch> this county doesn't even allow the sale of liquor 11:52 < K`Tetch> only allowed mixed drinks in 2003, to get a chilis 11:53 < aestetix> ok, I've come up with what I think is a reasonable compromise 11:54 < aestetix> if ACLU can get all Y Combinator companies going forward to agree to treat all user data as PII, then I'm generally ok with this 12:06 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@cpe-74-141-205-192.kya.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 12:07 < K`Tetch> according to SEn Isakson 2 hours ago "Georgia is quickly becoming the tip of the spear for cyber security." 12:07 < K`Tetch> then why does he, and others keep ignoring the advice of experts int hat field? 12:13 <@Dagmar> Georgia? We're so fucked. 12:18 < xray> Atlanta is the Silicon Valley of information security 12:19 < K`Tetch> yeah, but it doesn't work if you only listen to one or wo sources htat give you the best contributions 12:19 < xray> Who is listening to what sources? 12:24 < K`Tetch> Isakson 12:24 < xray> Ah 12:25 < K`Tetch> from reasing his statements, memos etc. he'sbad at listen to comptent sources, preferring to stick with connected souces 12:25 < xray> That is the nature of politics. 12:26 < K`Tetch> yeah 12:26 < xray> Competency is measured in ways that I find incomprehensible. 12:27 < xray> As an engineer I expect to be able to have measurable results and clear definitions of success. 12:27 < xray> In politics you just declare success in what ever terms are needed to get you re-elected. With no objective way to measure it. 12:28 <@opticron> your measure of success is public opinion 12:33 -!- fie_ [fie@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-ogokrkvjpjphozva] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:40 -!- fie_ [fie@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-lnobkmperxmtxckw] has joined #se2600 13:01 < dasunt> xray: There's also finding something that was successful and declaring that you were behind it. Speaking of which, I'm behind there being no bear attacks in downtown major metro areas in 2016. 13:05 < dfused> I'm behind there being no snow in southern south carolina this year. 13:07 < xray> LoL 14:04 < K`Tetch> I'm behind the sun rising each morning 14:13 < dasunt> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/31/cryptkeeper_cooked/ 14:13 < PigBot> Title: You're taking the p... Linux encryption app Cryptkeeper has universal password: 'p' • The Register (at www.theregister.co.uk) http://tinyurl.com/j2gy8pg 14:15 < dasunt> Just a minor bug there. 14:24 -!- fie_ [fie@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-lnobkmperxmtxckw] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:22 -!- overfien [~overfien@104.250.122.34] has joined #se2600 15:56 -!- rpifan [~rpi@73.106.75.138] has joined #se2600 15:56 -!- rpifan [~rpi@73.106.75.138] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56 -!- rpifan [~rpi@73.106.75.138] has joined #se2600 16:10 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@cpe-74-141-205-192.kya.res.rr.com] has quit [] 16:11 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:c5c3:879f:326b:3e04] has joined #se2600 16:13 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:c5c3:879f:326b:3e04] has quit [Client Quit] 16:15 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:16 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has joined #se2600 16:23 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 16:23 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 16:42 -!- rpifan [~rpi@73.106.75.138] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:43 -!- rpifan [~rpi@73.106.75.138] has joined #se2600 16:48 -!- rpifan [~rpi@73.106.75.138] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:49 -!- rpifan [~rpi@73.106.75.138] has joined #se2600 16:54 < dasunt> And we've gotten another email today about protests downtown. 16:54 -!- rpifan [~rpi@73.106.75.138] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54 < dasunt> It feels so overblown. 16:55 -!- rpifan [~rpi@73.106.75.138] has joined #se2600 16:58 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: klixa] 17:00 -!- rpifan [~rpi@73.106.75.138] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 17:00 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 17:00 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Client Quit] 17:01 -!- rpifan [~rpi@73.106.75.138] has joined #se2600 17:06 -!- rpifan [~rpi@73.106.75.138] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:22 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 17:22 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 17:41 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:c5c3:879f:326b:3e04] has joined #se2600 17:45 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: klixa] 18:06 -!- rpifan [~rpi@73.106.75.138] has joined #se2600 18:45 -!- rpifan [~rpi@73.106.75.138] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:01 <@Dagmar> I know Elonka likes Stackoverflow, and I like them for research, but... they're tossers when it comes to contributing 19:01 <@Dagmar> They make it too fucking hard to just answer a damn question 20:09 -!- overfien [~overfien@104.250.122.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:09 < K`Tetch> also, elonka has some freinds fixated on islamic terrorism 20:15 < aestetix> I don't get that. 20:15 < aestetix> Terrorism is bad, but it's not exclusive to Island. 20:15 < aestetix> I don't think Timothy McVeight or the Unabomber were islamic 20:15 < aestetix> Islam not island :p 20:21 < K`Tetch> McVeigh was christian 20:21 < K`Tetch> Brevic was christian 20:21 < K`Tetch> the guy over the weekend in quebec was christian 20:21 < K`Tetch> the one that almost blew me up in 93, very famous catholi terrorist group with close ties to the current House Homeland Security committee 20:26 <@Dagmar> I think I speak for all of us when I say that I am _deeply_ concerned about the number of potentially dangerous Christians we're letting into this country. 20:27 -!- rpifan [~rpi@73.106.74.118] has joined #se2600 20:38 < K`Tetch> at least you odn't have to worry about the atheists, we're harmless, unless your life depends on religion 21:03 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:c5c3:879f:326b:3e04] has quit [] 21:18 < aestetix> this is interesting 21:18 < aestetix> http://economicalmillennial.com/giving-access-to-free-and-low-cost-birth-control-saves-the-u-s-government-at-least-17-billion-a-year/ 21:18 < PigBot> Title: Giving Access to Free and Low-Cost Birth Control Saves the U.S. Government at Least $17 billion a Year Economical Millennial (at economicalmillennial.com) http://tinyurl.com/gvzqmv7 21:19 < aestetix> this does not jive with other reports I have seen that millennials are having less sex than any other generation 21:19 < K`Tetch> yep 21:19 < K`Tetch> its one of those cost-effective things 21:19 < K`Tetch> ditto funding the IRS 21:20 < aestetix> I guess I'd need to see statistics on how much lack of birth control cost previous generations 21:20 < K`Tetch> aestetix - thats because we older types are keeping all the sexy times to ourselves 21:20 < aestetix> because this article seems to make a number of assumptions I'm not sure I agree with 21:21 < aestetix> K`Tetch: for example, I've seen a lot of articles saying that millennials don't bother with sex because they are too focusd on their careers 21:22 < aestetix> On an unrelated but equally sensationalist note 21:23 < aestetix> I'm not sure what time it is in DC but I'm pretty sure it's long past 8pm 21:23 < aestetix> And yet CNN still has Trump's supreme court pick listed as "breaking news" 21:24 < aestetix> Big red letters draw the eye, but the eye grows weary of it after a while 21:26 < K`Tetch> sounds an intrguing theory. clearly needs research done. how much should I ask for as a grant to study it? hundred k? 500k? 21:27 < aestetix> And make sure you hire at least a dozen bloggers so you can have an updated tumblr account 21:28 < aestetix> If you have a tumblr, a facebook, and a twitter account, you can pretend its a balance of power keeping the other accounts in check 21:38 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 21:38 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 23:09 -!- overfien [~overfien@104.250.122.34] has joined #se2600 23:11 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: klixa] 23:11 -!- overfien [~overfien@104.250.122.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:12 -!- overfien [~overfien@104.250.122.34] has joined #se2600 23:47 -!- rpifan [~rpi@73.106.74.118] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:47 -!- rpifan [~rpi@73.106.74.118] has joined #se2600 23:49 -!- overfien [~overfien@104.250.122.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] --- Log closed Wed Feb 01 00:00:16 2017